Current Events > wait so net neutrality is really only two years old?

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what

no
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ThyCorndog posted...

no

when was it put in place

net neutrality is the internet in its natural state. the "obama-era regulations" were just put in place to try and prevent ISP's from getting rid of it. the FCC vote is about removing that prohibition
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Milkman5 posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

no

when was it put in place

Since the internet's inception. Saying that Net Neutrality was formed under Obama is propaganda marketed at the small-minded people who think "Obama = bad" with hopes that those Americans will rally to repeal Net Neutrality.
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the internet in it is natural state.

lol, what?
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apostrophe
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GamerSanta posted...

Milkman5 posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

no

when was it put in place

Since the internet's inception. Saying that Net Neutrality was formed under Obama is propaganda marketed at the small-minded people who think "Obama = bad" with hopes that those Americans will rally to repeal Net Neutrality.

this. and since conservatives are the ones that constantly fall for real fake news it works well.
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Net neutrality had existed as a concept for several years that various service providers fought over. In 2015, the FCC classified broadband as a Title II communication service which forbid ISPs from being dicks. The vote today reverted it back to Title I
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Conservative messaging is amazingly effective. I see so many common working class people saying getting rid of net neutrality is no big deal.

Man we are all screwed.
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Wikipedia says 2015

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_in_the_United_States

In the United States, net neutrality has been an issue of contention among network users and access providers since the 1990s.[1][2] Until 2015, there were no clear legal protections requiring net neutrality. In 2015 the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) classified broadband as a Title II communication service with providers being "common carriers", not "information providers". [3][4][5][6]

am I being trolled by Wikipedia?

Milkman5 posted...

Wikipedia says 2015

ThyCorndog posted...

net neutrality is the internet in its natural state. the "obama-era regulations" were just put in place to try and prevent ISP's from getting rid of it. the FCC vote is about removing that prohibition

Godnorgosh posted...

No, Title II is two years old. Net neutrality is about as old as the Internet itself, with a small gap between Verizon's successful lawsuit against the FCC and the implementation of Title II.

Meadz posted...

Net neutrality had existed as a concept for several years that various service providers fought over. In 2015, the FCC classified broadband as a Title II communication service which forbid ISPs from being dicks. The vote today reverted it back to Title I

Godnorgosh posted...

But with Title II repealed, net neutrality is effectively repealed since Verizon's lawsuit killed Title I.

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Milkman5 posted...

am I being trolled

No, you're just stupid.
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Iodine posted...

Conservative messaging is amazingly effective. I see so many common working class people saying getting rid of net neutrality is no big deal.

Man we are all screwed.

Really don't understand the people who believe in Ijit Pai. I mean have those people never tried buying internet before?
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KrustyTheClown posted...

Milkman5 posted...

am I being trolled

No, you're just stupid.

Don't you just hate when that happens.
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the FCC's Order against Comcast, ruling similarly that the FCC lacked the authority under Title One of the Communications Act of 1934, to force ISPs to keep their networks open, while employing reasonable network management practices, to all forms of legal content.[51] In May 2010, the FCC announced it would continue its fight for net neutrality.[52]

Wikipedia says Title One gave the FCC no authority to enforce Net Neutrality. This was back in 2010, 5 years before

where are you guys getting your info if Wikipedia is wrong.

Did this shit get edited by trolls?

For broadband services, some of the net neutrality rules date back to 2010 with the Open Internet Order. In 2014, a lawsuit was launched by ISPs against the FCC and the courts ruled that to enforce net neutrality, broadband internet would have to be reclassified as a telecommunications service under Title II. This is what came into effect in 2015.

As far as I'm aware, dial-up internet always operated under net neutrality as it used phone lines, which were always classed as telecommunications services.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_in_the_United_States#Early_history_1980_%E2%80%93_early_2000s

Being business services, cable modem Internet access and high-speed data links, which make up the Internet's core, had always since their creation been categorized under U.S. law as an information service, unlike telephone services (including services by dial-up modem), and not as a telecommunications service, and thus had not been subject to common carrier regulations, as upheld in National Cable & Telecommunications Association v. Brand X Internet Services.

Mal Fet mentioned it so I looked on Wikipedia to see if he was right.

Wikipedia says he is.

Is Wikipedia fake news?

Yep, I'm definitely being trolled
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LightHawKnight posted...

Iodine posted...

Conservative messaging is amazingly effective. I see so many common working class people saying getting rid of net neutrality is no big deal.

Man we are all screwed.

Really don't understand the people who believe in Ijit Pai. I mean have those people never tried buying internet before?

I tried buying Internet. Went to the Best Buy and everything. Kept telling them I wanted to buy some internet and they kept saying gobbledygook back at me.

Milkman5 posted...

where are you guys getting your info if Wikipedia is wrong.

Did this shit get edited by trolls?

The wikipedia article you posted doesn't state that net neutrality has only been around since 2015. It states the legal regulations requiring net neutrality have been around since 2015. Net neutrality is essentially how we expect the internet to work. The idea that all data should be treated equally.

We essentially just trusted that ISPs would treat all data equally. Then a few ISPs tried some stuff that prompted the government to put regulations requiring it in.
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Net neutrality can exist without laws mandating it, but American companies have already proven they push the envelope whenever they can and are not to be trusted with any tacit or explicit agreement between themselves and other companies to keep the internet neutral.
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Milkman5 posted...

Mal Fet mentioned it so I looked on Wikipedia to see if he was right.

Wikipedia says he is.

Is Wikipedia fake news?

See the section I mentioned.

Dial-up = phone lines = telecommunications service (meaning net neutrality can be enforced)

Broadband = information service (meaning net neutrality can't be enforced). It was reclassified in 2015; that's what Mal is referring to

So, back when dial-up was the most common way of using the internet, net neutrality was the default.

Also, deep packet inspection is a relatively recent thing I think. Before that, ISPs couldn't easily discriminate against different types of data. Now that they have that tool, they can.

The internet has changed a great deal in the last couple of decades, like in the above two ways, making net neutrality more important than ever.

CableZL posted...

Milkman5 posted...

where are you guys getting your info if Wikipedia is wrong.

Did this shit get edited by trolls?

The wikipedia article you posted doesn't state that net neutrality has only been around since 2015. It states the legal regulations requiring net neutrality have been around since 2015. Net neutrality is essentially how we expect the internet to work. The idea that all data should be treated equally.

We essentially just trusted that ISPs would treat all data equally. Then a few ISPs tried some stuff that prompted the government to put regulations requiring it in.

Right, it was like an honor system. Then Comcast throttled torrent sites and the FCC find out they couldnt do anything.

Then for 5 years Comcast and the other ISPs realized they couldnt be controlled and it wasnt this doomsday scenario reddit had me believe

Im still for net neutrality, but you guys realize that its not likely these ISPs will throttle sites that will piss off the public, otherwise the FCC will probably repass something to give the FCC power again

Milkman5 posted...

but you guys realize that its not likely these ISPs will throttle sites that will piss off the public

What are you basing that on when they did it before?
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CableZL posted...

Milkman5 posted...

but you guys realize that its not likely these ISPs will throttle sites that will piss off the public

What are you basing that on when they did it before?

they throttled torrenting sites

Milkman5 posted...

CableZL posted...

Milkman5 posted...

but you guys realize that its not likely these ISPs will throttle sites that will piss off the public

What are you basing that on when they did it before?

they throttled torrenting sites

They throttled more than torrenting sites.
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what else did they throttle?

Milkman5 posted...

otherwise the FCC will probably repass something to give the FCC power again

Not if they've bought out the FCC or had a government in power that neuters it beyond the point where it can do anything anymore. I mean, the entire point behind this lobbying is to control the FCC, and they've been making a massive campaign to try and convince the general public that net neutrality rules aren't needed so that it'd be difficult to get it back to Title II when it's gone.

Milkman5 posted...

what else did they throttle?

Netflix

Cable, go post that chart for MilkMan again.
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Milkman5 posted...

what else did they throttle?

Netflix and a few other streaming services. Netflix ended up having to pay Comcast, AT&T, and Verizon to stop throttling their traffic. The cost of that was then passed onto Netflix customers by way of increased monthly fees.
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It's pretty easy to see when Comcast, AT&T, and Verizon received payments from Netflix to stop throttling their traffic in 2014.
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CableZL posted...

It's pretty easy to see when Comcast, AT&T, and Verizon received payments from Netflix to stop throttling their traffic in 2014.

There's a funny article doing the rounds on reddit, claiming that Netflix throttled themselves to get favorable net neutrality laws passed. If that were the case though, why did it only affect certain ISPs?