Current Events > It's been 5 years since the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting...

(+) Yeah! (+)

Yeah, that was a bad day.
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Still blows my mind that two dozen kids were gunned down and literally nothing changed.
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KrustyTheClown posted...

Still blows my mind that two dozen kids were gunned down and literally nothing changed.

Not necessarily alt righters have been harassing the families with conspiracy theories and accusing them of being actors

Blows my mind more that some people still think it was a hoax.
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Still get angry.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

KrustyTheClown posted...

Still blows my mind that two dozen kids were gunned down and literally nothing changed.

Not necessarily alt righters have been harassing the families with conspiracy theories and accusing them of being actors

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KrustyTheClown posted...

Still blows my mind that two dozen kids were gunned down and literally nothing changed.

What do you want to change?
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CruelBuffalo posted...

KrustyTheClown posted...

Still blows my mind that two dozen kids were gunned down and literally nothing changed.

Not necessarily alt righters have been harassing the families with conspiracy theories and accusing them of being actors

The alt-right is truly shoescum.
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Yeah that is one of the saddest things to happen in our country's history.

Just a random weird thought: Isn't it the perfect excuse that you can't question victims of tragedies because it's really insensitive and fucked up to do so?

NOTE: I AM NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORIST
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C_Pain posted...

Yeah that is one of the saddest things to happen in our country's history.

Just a random weird thought: Isn't it the perfect excuse that you can't question victims of tragedies because it's really insensitive and fucked up to do so?

NOTE: I AM NOT A CONSPIRACY THEORIST

Interesting
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Solar_Crimson posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

KrustyTheClown posted...

Still blows my mind that two dozen kids were gunned down and literally nothing changed.

Not necessarily alt righters have been harassing the families with conspiracy theories and accusing them of being actors

The alt-right is truly shoescum.

What the heck does "alt-right" have to do with anything? That wasn't even a term when this incident happened and wouldn't be for years after. A bunch of white people thinking that another bunch of white people faked an incident is somehow racist?

You're just throwing around terms you think make you sound smart.
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The guy stole the guns he used.
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A mass killing of children changed nothing in this country. Remember that when you think we'll try to address guns/mental health in the future. It's never going to happen.
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DragonGirlYuki posted...

The guy stole the guns he used.

He murdered the owner of the guns before stealing them.

Even if this guy hadn't shot anyone. If he'd stolen the guns, driven to the school, shot the door out and laid down on the ground until the police came and apprehended him- he'd still have committed enough felonies to put him away for the rest of his life. Multiple counts of stealing firearms, transporting stolen firearms, bringing firearms to a school, discharging firearms inside town limits, etc etc etc.

If somebody's reaction to this case is "We need more gun laws!" then you need to seriously reevaluate your worldview. "But we have to do something!!!!!!111111"
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r4X0r posted...

If somebody's reaction to this case is "We need more gun laws!" then you need to seriously reevaluate your worldview. "But we have to do something!!!!!!111111"

You're right, doing nothing is the better reaction.
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JustMonika posted...

You're right, doing nothing is the better reaction.

unfortunately the "do something" route is always based on emotion and wont actually do anything.
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r4X0r posted...

What the heck does "alt-right" have to do with anything? That wasn't even a term when this incident happened and wouldn't be for years after. A bunch of white people thinking that another bunch of white people faked an incident is somehow racist?

Yes, the alt-right is racist, but if they are actually harassing grieving parents over bullshit conspiracy theories, then that makes them scum.

Race has nothing to do with this thing; they're just scumbags, period.

r4X0r posted...

If somebody's reaction to this case is "We need more gun laws!" then you need to seriously reevaluate your worldview. "But we have to do something!!!!!!111111"

So, what is your solution? Do nothing while these things keep happening?
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I live in Roseburg, OR. This is were the UCC shooting happened two years ago. nothing changes from any mass shooting. life just goes on.
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r4X0r posted...

DragonGirlYuki posted...

The guy stole the guns he used.

He murdered the owner of the guns before stealing them.

Even if this guy hadn't shot anyone. If he'd stolen the guns, driven to the school, shot the door out and laid down on the ground until the police came and apprehended him- he'd still have committed enough felonies to put him away for the rest of his life. Multiple counts of stealing firearms, transporting stolen firearms, bringing firearms to a school, discharging firearms inside town limits, etc etc etc.

If somebody's reaction to this case is "We need more gun laws!" then you need to seriously reevaluate your worldview. "But we have to do something!!!!!!111111"

Yet somehow this is not reflected in any other civilized nation on the planet.

And you will unrionically ignore that will talking about worldviews.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

So, what is your solution? Do nothing while these things keep happening?

How do you regulate gun theft?
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in the case of Lanza the family shouldnt even have had weapons around him. he was basically medically documented as mentally unhealthy and both parents knew it as did several doctors.

as far as what laws could have prevented this i wont say that there is a definite one, but i feel harsher penalties and repercussions towards negligence might have given the family a moment of pause and taken the time to rethink their approach to gun safety.
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It feels like it's only been 2 or 3 years
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I completely lost faith for the future of this country 5 years ago today.
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r4X0r posted...

A bunch of white people thinking that another bunch of white people faked an incident is somehow racist?

Who said anything about it being racist?
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DirkDiggles posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

So, what is your solution? Do nothing while these things keep happening?

How do you regulate gun theft?

Weren't the guns unsecured (ie not locked up)? Maybe start there. If any gun you own gets linked to a crime then you'll do time. For precedence I cite that "if you lend a car out and they commit a felony you're an accessory" series of laws. Granted there is a difference between lending and having stolen, but the only practical application of a gun is to kill so I think a difference in how things are addressed is reasonable.
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The guns were stolen after the owner was killed. Not given or lent.
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It blows my mind too.

It should be easy to install safe gun boxes in drawers for teacher's to use, and it'd cost almost nothing to train them with the equipment, but schools refuse to back away from that 'gun-free zone' nonsense.
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The gun 'owner' everyone refers to was the shooter's own mother.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

r4X0r posted...

What the heck does "alt-right" have to do with anything? That wasn't even a term when this incident happened and wouldn't be for years after. A bunch of white people thinking that another bunch of white people faked an incident is somehow racist?

Yes, the alt-right is racist, but if they are actually harassing grieving parents over bullshit conspiracy theories, then that makes them scum.

Race has nothing to do with this thing; they're just scumbags, period.

r4X0r posted...

If somebody's reaction to this case is "We need more gun laws!" then you need to seriously reevaluate your worldview. "But we have to do something!!!!!!111111"

So, what is your solution? Do nothing while these things keep happening?

the right always takes the defeatist route when it comes to gun violence
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27_Sandman_40 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

r4X0r posted...

DragonGirlYuki posted...

The guy stole the guns he used.

He murdered the owner of the guns before stealing them.

Even if this guy hadn't shot anyone. If he'd stolen the guns, driven to the school, shot the door out and laid down on the ground until the police came and apprehended him- he'd still have committed enough felonies to put him away for the rest of his life. Multiple counts of stealing firearms, transporting stolen firearms, bringing firearms to a school, discharging firearms inside town limits, etc etc etc.

If somebody's reaction to this case is "We need more gun laws!" then you need to seriously reevaluate your worldview. "But we have to do something!!!!!!111111"

Yet somehow this is not reflected in any other civilized nation on the planet.

And you will unrionically ignore that will talking about worldviews.

I forgot Norway and France were third world countries.

Norway and France don't have routine mass shootings like clockwork and uncontrollable gun violence.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

27_Sandman_40 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

r4X0r posted...

DragonGirlYuki posted...

The guy stole the guns he used.

He murdered the owner of the guns before stealing them.

Even if this guy hadn't shot anyone. If he'd stolen the guns, driven to the school, shot the door out and laid down on the ground until the police came and apprehended him- he'd still have committed enough felonies to put him away for the rest of his life. Multiple counts of stealing firearms, transporting stolen firearms, bringing firearms to a school, discharging firearms inside town limits, etc etc etc.

If somebody's reaction to this case is "We need more gun laws!" then you need to seriously reevaluate your worldview. "But we have to do something!!!!!!111111"

Yet somehow this is not reflected in any other civilized nation on the planet.

And you will unrionically ignore that will talking about worldviews.

I forgot Norway and France were third world countries.

Norway and France don't have routine mass shootings like clockwork and uncontrollable gun violence.

France has almost as many terrorist attacks as us though
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France has truck violence which were quite effective. I guess trucks should be banned now?
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YookaLaylee posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

27_Sandman_40 posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

r4X0r posted...

DragonGirlYuki posted...

The guy stole the guns he used.

He murdered the owner of the guns before stealing them.

Even if this guy hadn't shot anyone. If he'd stolen the guns, driven to the school, shot the door out and laid down on the ground until the police came and apprehended him- he'd still have committed enough felonies to put him away for the rest of his life. Multiple counts of stealing firearms, transporting stolen firearms, bringing firearms to a school, discharging firearms inside town limits, etc etc etc.

If somebody's reaction to this case is "We need more gun laws!" then you need to seriously reevaluate your worldview. "But we have to do something!!!!!!111111"

Yet somehow this is not reflected in any other civilized nation on the planet.

And you will unrionically ignore that will talking about worldviews.

I forgot Norway and France were third world countries.

Norway and France don't have routine mass shootings like clockwork and uncontrollable gun violence.

France has almost as many terrorist attacks as us though

1. That's not true.

2. That has nothing to do with anything gun law related. Nor the fact it's only an issue the US has despite people like you saying "Oh worldview" to defend not even attempting to stop it because stopping it is impossible.
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r4X0r posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

KrustyTheClown posted...

Still blows my mind that two dozen kids were gunned down and literally nothing changed.

Not necessarily alt righters have been harassing the families with conspiracy theories and accusing them of being actors

The alt-right is truly shoescum.

What the heck does "alt-right" have to do with anything? That wasn't even a term when this incident happened and wouldn't be for years after. A bunch of white people thinking that another bunch of white people faked an incident is somehow racist?

You're just throwing around terms you think make you sound smart.

So you're admitting that the alt-right is racist?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

2. That has nothing to do with anything gun law related. Nor the fact it's only an issue the US has despite people like you saying "Oh worldview" to defend not even attempting to stop it because stopping it is impossible.

point is guns are being replaced with other means of killing and without any real protection you are having a large influx of other types of crimes. britian has more stabbings (and now acid attacks), australia has more home invasions, sweden is currently going through a large rape problem ect. defending your self with a gun in most cases will land you in jail and defending youre property will too.

now thats not to say they are equal. guns have a higher chance to kill, but if you take several factors out of the equation there really isnt much of a gun problem here. most gun deaths are suicide and the second and third method of suicides (hangings and poison) carry a high success rate as well so whose to say if they didnt have a gun they would magically not try to kill themselves? then you have about 60% of homicides are gangs killing themselves over territory and drugs. then another 10% in police shootings of which about 98-99% tend to be justified. then you have another 5-6% being defensive uses. those mass shooter cases like sandy hook are actually relatively rare and only take up around 4% of total homicides.

thats not to say we cant do things to lower these numbers, but the numbers have a LOT more factors to them than just saying getting rid of or severely limiting them will help solve gun deaths. theres too many other problems to take into account.

as far as possible solutions ill quote my self from another thread--make gun safety more obvious and more out there for the public to see, teach kids at a young age the dangers of them and training how to properly handle them (should cut down on accidents), re-instigate a waiting period (should cut down on gun suicides), come up with some sort of no penalty buy back program (why rob a register for $50 when you can turn in that hipoint for $100?), plug up holes in background checks along with a universal system and constantly updated checks on your record (this could have potentially stopped the texas shooter), have firearm related crimes and screw ups carry harsher penalties, make people more aware of the warning signs of mental health problems and how to help fix them(both could have potentially saved sandy hook), help with intercity conflicts and gang issues along with making certain drugs legal and further taxing others which will cut down on the gang conflicts and drug wars. finding some sort of better universal healthcare system in general would also go a long way.

theres a lot of ways to fight the problem, but republicans dont want to try and the dems suggestions are awful and emotionally motivated (and usually further hurting constitutional rights).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67h-vsMX1EQ

Wait, why do people think it was a hoax?

ProtoManSPx posted...

Wait, why do people think it was a hoax?

Everything is a conspiracy
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ProtoManSPx posted...

Wait, why do people think it was a hoax?

Some do it because they refuse to believe that humans are capable of such unmitigated evil, and some deny it purely for the attention it gets them.
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DragonGirlYuki posted...

France has truck violence which were quite effective. I guess trucks should be banned now?

This is such a dumbass argument. The reason why trucks are used is because they can't get guns! And even if they do it is incredibly difficult. So clearly something is working there.

If you want to kill someone, there'll always be a way. At least in France you won't be able to do it with 274363 rounds of ammunition...
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Steve Nick posted...

It blows my mind too.

It should be easy to install safe gun boxes in drawers for teacher's to use, and it'd cost almost nothing to train them with the equipment, but schools refuse to back away from that 'gun-free zone' nonsense.

I uh... huh
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008Zulu posted...

ProtoManSPx posted...

Wait, why do people think it was a hoax?

Some do it because they refuse to believe that humans are capable of such unmitigated evil, and some deny it purely for the attention it gets them.

Most do it because it opposes their worldview.

Kinda hard to say there's no gun problem when standing on piles of corpses every month so you dismiss the corpses
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008Zulu posted...

ProtoManSPx posted...

Wait, why do people think it was a hoax?

Some do it because they refuse to believe that humans are capable of such unmitigated evil, and some deny it purely for the attention it gets them.

I mean I don't believe humans are capable of unmitigated evil because I don't actually even believe in the concept of evil at all. Definitely not a hoax though. That's just ridiculous.
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KrustyTheClown posted...

Still blows my mind that two dozen kids were gunned down and literally nothing changed.

https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/611943312401002496
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Don't feel like going there
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mew4ever posted...

A mass killing of children changed nothing in this country. Remember that when you think we'll try to address guns/mental health in the future. It's never going to happen.

what really surprised me was lack of action after that guy tried to shoot up the GOP baseball team and put the house majority whip in the hospital

i mean jesus, they won't even pass laws to protect themselves
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What should have changed? He stole the guns after killing the owner. How do you prevent that from happening?
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

What should have changed? He stole the guns after killing the owner. How do you prevent that from happening?

the owner, for clarity, was his mother.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/26/us/adam-lanza-sandy-hook.html

a lot of mass shootings are tied to domestic violence incidents, or perpetrated by those who have previously committed domestic violence. while it probably wouldn't have stopped sandy hook specifically, stripping convicted domestic abusers of their second amendment rights is likely to save lives.
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