Board 8 > Star Wars The Last Jedi discussion (SPOILERS)

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I mean it's Benecio Del Toro of course they'll want him back
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THEDavyJones posted...

The "cute" animals didn't do anything for me. Could have done without them, really.

I just remembered the movie literally had Alolan Vulpixes in it for some reason.
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THEDavyJones posted...

The "cute" animals didn't do anything for me. Could have done without them, really.

had tons of audible "awwwws" every time the hamster bird things were on screen in my theater
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

That's all guessing though

Not really. Movies should do this more often, actually, show not tell. They clearly showed that Leia is capable of using the Force, so that means she's a Force user. Even if you didn't know that before, you do now. And you can infer that she may have trained a bit in the past 30 years. They don't have to outright tell you.
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I actually really like Snoke getting smoked (hah) in this. Kept the film going with trying to subvert expectations and the like which I REALLY appreciate and the main thing that makes me like this more than The Force Awakens
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AquaArcane posted...

Bane_Of_Despair posted...

That's all guessing though

Not really. Movies should do this more often, actually, show not tell. They clearly showed that Leia is capable of using the Force, so that means she's a Force user. Even if you didn't know that before, you do now. And you can infer that she may have trained a bit in the past 30 years. They don't have to outright tell you.

Ok you're pushing this really hard so I'm just gonna stop, I stopped it already saying I accept the series as it is.
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THEDavyJones posted...

I actively disliked all the casino scenes and would honestly prefer the film without them.

I actually really liked those scenes, but I found it so weird that we had basically a sidequest when the main plot was about the Resistance being unable to escape. It was very unusual to include something like that, scriptwise.

THEDavyJones posted...

Whoever voiced Yoda, though, couldn't understand him very well. Frank Oz might be too old for the role.

It was Frank Oz. I'm assuming people would have freaked if they didn't get him to do the part again, but yeah, it was kind of rough.
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I kept expecting Snoke to like... put himself back together with the Force.
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Grand Kirby posted...

I actually really liked those scenes, but I found it so weird that we had basically a sidequest when the main plot was about the Resistance being unable to escape. It was very unusual to include something like that, scriptwise.

Yeah, the whole "slowly pursuing them" storyline was... odd.
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...

Ok you're pushing this really hard so I'm just gonna stop, I stopped it already saying I accept the series as it is.

Sorry didn't mean to seem hostile in any way.

THEDavyJones posted...

I enjoyed how this movie mostly undercut expectations. Sometimes for better (Rey being a nobody), sometimes for worse (Snoke's half-ass death with a lack of explanation to who he is), and sometimes just for shits and giggles.

I assume her parents being no one was to throw us off. I think there's still a secret there. And I'm sure we'll get Snoke's origins in the next movie too, because I'd like to know where the fuck he came from and how he's so powerful in the Force.
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I didn't have any more trouble understanding Yoda than in any of the other movies.

Also, I liked Finn's sidequest. I don't care if he's essential or not, and I'm fine with getting more of him instead of them killing him off because I like his character a lot.
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I mean, honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Snoke came back as a "Sith Force Ghost" or something and be the Final Boss of the trilogy.
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AquaArcane posted...

I assume her parents being no one was to throw us off. I think there's still a secret there. And I'm sure we'll get Snoke's origins in the next movie too, because I'd like to know where the f*** he came from and how he's so powerful in the Force.

I honestly don't. I think this was the director's attempt to give the next movie such a clean slate to work with.

No Emperor Palpatine proxy, no "who are Rey's parents" origin to explain, etc.
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LeonhartFour posted...

I didn't have any more trouble understanding Yoda than in any of the other movies.

Also, I liked Finn's sidequest. I don't care if he's essential or not, and I'm fine with getting more of him instead of them killing him off because I like his character a lot.

I could understand Yoda fine as well. I loved when he showed up, I let out an excited gasp when I saw his ears pop up.

Finn was a lot better in this movie, I think. He was less goofy, and he got shit done. Not sure how I feel about Rose and it looks like there may be a love square with Rey and Poe, or some shit. Not looking forward to that, but hopefully it was just my imagination. I don't think Rey needs a love interest at all.
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like I liked some of the little swerves in the last scene, like making it appear Finn was about to make this big heroic sacrifice and then not (which goes along well with what Leia/Poe were arguing about a lot of the movie that they don't just need dead heroes)

also Luke making it seem like he was about to directly quote Obi-Wan but instead telling Kylo that those who love him will always be with him and making it seem like a curse instead of a blessing was excellent
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Also way too much audience clapping.
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I think Finn clearly loves Rey even if Rose essentially admitted she loved Finn at the end. I like how Rey introduces herself to Poe, and he's just like, "I know," because Finn talks about her all the time.

and maybe Rey doesn't need a love interest but I'll be rooting hard for Finn to win anyway in Episode IX
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LeonhartFour posted...

I like how Rey introduces herself to Poe, and he's just like, "I know," because Finn talks about her all the time.

"I know" is a great callback to Han/Leia courtship, though.
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Also, what did people think of Holdo? Because I thought that plotline was... pretty bad.

I was expecting her to have some super good reason to keep Poe in the dark, or turn out to be a traitor that was deliberately sabotaging the Resistance's escape but... nope. She just decided to be vague about their plans for no reason, which ends up being the correct thing to do since Poe's plan is not only pointless, but actively causes more harm than anything, and the whole mutiny he raises is shrugged off in a ridiculously lightly manner. While I can appreciate how it was kind of subversive in how things don't go how you might expect, most everything about that plotline bothered me.
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Holdo was whatever but she justified her existence with the kamikaze hyperdrive jump

that instantly became one of my favorite things in the series
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Grand Kirby posted...

Also, what did people think of Holdo? Because I thought that plotline was... pretty bad.

I was expecting her to have some super good reason to keep Poe in the dark, or turn out to be a traitor that was deliberately sabotaging the Resistance's escape but... nope. She just decided to be vague about their plans for no reason, which ends up being the correct thing to do since Poe's plan is not only pointless, but actively causes more harm than anything, and the whole mutiny he raises is shrugged off in a ridiculously lightly manner. While I can appreciate how it was kind of subversive in how things don't go how you might expect, most everything about that plotline bothered me.

The point of that was Holdo's calm, restrained approach to Poe's headstrong, shoot first ask questions later approach, and how both have their places.

Basically, otherwise Poe being always right and Holdo being that "YOU'RE A LOOSE CANNON POE" type authority figure would be too cliche.
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Oh yeah, I didn't get Holdo's plotline either. I thought she was going to turn out to be a spy for the First Order or something, but nope. She was just a regular ol' Rebel hero.

Although she went out with some style. That part had me like whoa
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LeonhartFour posted...

and maybe Rey doesn't need a love interest but I'll be rooting hard for Finn to win anyway in Episode IX

Did she seem a bit jealous of how Finn was looking after Rose in the end there? I really hope we don't have some dumb love triangle thing in the next movie.
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Also, I do like how Poe seems to have taken the whole thing to heart when he tells everyone to fall back at the end instead of telling them to keep rushing headlong into certain death.

of course Finn doesn't listen so now he knows how it feels...!
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Grand Kirby posted...

Did she seem a bit jealous of how Finn was looking after Rose in the end there? I really hope we don't have some dumb love triangle thing in the next movie.

That felt like what they wanted to convey, yeah.

maybe Episode IX will just be a wacky romantic comedy where Finn bumbles around through a series of misunderstandings and unfortunate accidents that Rey happens to walk in on at the wrong time and jumps to the worst possible conclusions

earn that happy ending Finn
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Grand Kirby posted...

Did she seem a bit jealous of how Finn was looking after Rose in the end there? I really hope we don't have some dumb love triangle thing in the next movie.

That was my concern as well

Like I said, Rey doesn't need a love interest. Luke didn't have one, why would Rey
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AquaArcane posted...

Luke didn't have one, why would Rey

because we're shaking up conventions now

Rey/Finn let's do it
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Luke had one... until Episode 6.

I mean, Leia literally kisses him on the lips.
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THEDavyJones posted...

The point of that was Holdo's calm, restrained approach to Poe's headstrong, shoot first ask questions later approach, and how both have their places.

Basically, otherwise Poe being always right and Holdo being that "YOU'RE A LOOSE CANNON POE" type authority figure would be too cliche.

I mean, I get the character development, but it's still super weird that after stealing control of the ship away from her and nearly getting everybody killed she's like "lol, that's classic Poe" and doesn't really care.

And WHY didn't she just tell him about the plan the make it to the nearby uncharted rebel base. If not the first time when maybe she feels it's not necessary to know (why not?), then how about when he thinks she's abandoning ship and clearly going to do something irrational.
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THEDavyJones posted...

Luke had one... until Episode 6.

I mean, Leia literally kisses him on the lips.

and then tells him that deep down she's always known he was her twin brother
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Which was after she kissed the handsome outlaw
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more proof that women don't want nice guys they want scoundrels

you've really got your work cut out for you Finn I'm rooting for you buddy
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She shouldn't have a love interest though cuz then she just becomes another Disney princess

we don't need that shit in my star wars
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she doesn't become a Disney princess until she sings a musical number about love
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god no don't give them ideas for episode IX
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I fucking

CALLED REN KILLING SNOKE

After force awakens

I called that shit so much I was so proud of myself. Nobody here probably remembers it but I did

They were hinting too much at Ren turning - to me it felt too much like they were trying to recreate Vader, it was too heavily foreshadowed that he would turn, so instead he's going to turn BAD. FULL BAD. AND USURP SNOKE
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Also, what was up with the milking scene?

Like... really?
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Blue milk!

Callbacks are fun
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LeonhartFour posted...

also Luke making it seem like he was about to directly quote Obi-Wan but instead telling Kylo that those who love him will always be with him and making it seem like a curse instead of a blessing was excellent

Oh this was great

I kind of wanted the callback but what they did instead was better
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Oh and about Rey's origins, we still don't know her last name. So like it or not, that will have to be addressed in the next movie.

Still banking that she's a Skywalker.
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Actually the more I think about it, I guess it's less likely now that she's a Skywalker. Otherwise Luke would have acted differently, unless he just plain doesn't know because her birth was hidden from him like his... was hidden from his father.

No yeah still banking on Skywalker.
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There's a zero percent chance she's a Skywalker now.
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Maybe I just want her to be okay and I'll hold onto that hope until there's none left
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Clearly that broom boy was a Skywalker.
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Also I just now got the whole Like force projection thing.

Like I kept trying to think how he was able to lightsaber duel Kylo, then I realized their blades never clashed and he just dodged the whole time.
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I'm not sure if it's better or worse that's how he survived the laser bombardment. (Funny how that means him brushing off his clothes was all just for show).

The fact that apparently projected the dice too was a bit "WTF?" though.
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Poor General Hugs. Dude had no luck this movie. At least he got a big speech last time.
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THEDavyJones posted...

Also I just now got the whole Like force projection thing.

Like I kept trying to think how he was able to lightsaber duel Kylo, then I realized their blades never clashed and he just dodged the whole time.

He literally dodged like twice, I noticed that too. I thought it was weird they weren't clashing but that question was quickly answered.
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I thought it was really great. The characters were more interesting and enjoyable here than in Force Awakens. Some of the decisions the writers made were iffy like the thing with Leia (though some have explained it so it's okay I guess) and Luke dying earlier than expected. But other than that, I think it was a well put together film. Definitely the best one of the new films.

AquaArcane posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

I didn't have any more trouble understanding Yoda than in any of the other movies.

Also, I liked Finn's sidequest. I don't care if he's essential or not, and I'm fine with getting more of him instead of them killing him off because I like his character a lot.

I could understand Yoda fine as well. I loved when he showed up, I let out an excited gasp when I saw his ears pop up.

Finn was a lot better in this movie, I think. He was less goofy, and he got shit done. Not sure how I feel about Rose and it looks like there may be a love square with Rey and Poe, or some shit. Not looking forward to that, but hopefully it was just my imagination. I don't think Rey needs a love interest at all.

Nah. It seems more like Finn/Rose and Rey/Kylo Ren to me and the later might never happen. Doubt there will be anything with Poe at this point.
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Poe loves BB-8
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