Current Events > Moore lost when Trump endorsed him.

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Trump's approval rating dipped over 10% following the official endorsement of Moore. This human-shaped LSOS is ruining his own party and it's glorious. Looking forward to taking everything back on 2020.
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or, yknow, the whole child molesting thing
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Trump's approval rating dipped over 10% following the official endorsement of Moore.

This argues for the opposite of your title; it implies Moore dragged Trump down, not the other way around.
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Antifar posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Trump's approval rating dipped over 10% following the official endorsement of Moore.

This argues for the opposite of your title; it implies Moore dragged Trump down, not the other way around.

No. Trump's approval rating was already lower than 50% among Republicans. When Trump endorsed Moore, people who didn't support Trump but supported Moore changed their mind.

Roughly 30% of people either changed their mind or decided shortly after Trump's endorsement whether or not they would vote for Moore.
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Taking everything back in 2020... you've got no platforms to run on and no candidates to run.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Trump's approval rating was already lower than 50% among Republicans.

This is not true.

ChromaticAngel posted...

When Trump endorsed Moore, people who didn't support Trump but supported Moore changed their mind.

There are like, less than a dozen Alabamans who that describes.
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r4X0r posted...

Taking everything back in 2020... you've got no platforms to run on and no candidates to run.

Don't need a platform to run on when we're just going to hijack the Trump Train.
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Minor setback. Nothing more.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

r4X0r posted...

Taking everything back in 2020... you've got no platforms to run on and no candidates to run.

Don't need a platform to run on when we're just going to hijack the Trump Train.

How do you plan on doing that when you again, have nobody to run and nothing to run on followed by mounting Trump success?
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r4X0r posted...

Taking everything back in 2020... you've got no platforms to run on and no candidates to run.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76092664/892107267

r4X0r posted...

How do you plan on doing that when you again, have nobody to run and nothing to run on followed by mounting Trump success?

what?
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r4X0r posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

r4X0r posted...

Taking everything back in 2020... you've got no platforms to run on and no candidates to run.

Don't need a platform to run on when we're just going to hijack the Trump Train.

How do you plan on doing that when you again, have nobody to run and nothing to run on followed by mounting Trump success?

Let's have a look at approval ratings and talk about success some other time.
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Looks like I've got to eat that one, don't I.
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r4X0r posted...

Looks like I've got to eat that one, don't I.

You can try reposting that shit but add "to be fair you need to have a high IQ to realize" at the beginning.
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I thought the public of Alabama was smart enough to see past left wing character assassinations. I was wrong. I acknowledge that.
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Trump endorsed Strange and Moore. Everything he touches loses.
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I find it cute how liberals always assume other people disapprove of Trump for the same reasons they do. His biggest failing right now is his failure to overturn Obamacare like he promised. Millions of people are still held at gunpoint for skyrocketing premiums and deductibles they can't afford. As soon as the GOP kills Obamacare, his approval will skyrocket.

lilORANG posted...

Trump endorsed Strange and Moore. Everything he touches loses.

You to realize... Trump beat Hillary, right?
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Annihilated posted...

Millions of people are still held at gunpoint for skyrocketing premiums and deductibles they can't afford.

So what you're saying is ban guns
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r4X0r posted...

lilORANG posted...

Trump endorsed Strange and Moore. Everything he touches loses.

You to realize... Trump beat Hillary, right?

That just means

... oh god...
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Annihilated posted...

Millions of people are still held at gunpoint for skyrocketing premiums and deductibles they can't afford.

So what you're saying is ban guns

I'd rather ban immoral and illegal legislation that has private business and government double penetrating tax paying Americans, but be a jackass if you want to.

Annihilated posted...

illegal legislation

You clearly don't know what one of those two words means.
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Annihilated posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Annihilated posted...

Millions of people are still held at gunpoint for skyrocketing premiums and deductibles they can't afford.

So what you're saying is ban guns

I'd rather ban immoral and illegal legislation that has private business and government double penetrating tax paying Americans, but be a jackass if you want to.

Do you use a jetpack to avoid public roads and sidewalks?
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Bullet_Wing posted...

Annihilated posted...

I find it cute how liberals always assume other people disapprove of Trump for the same reasons they do. His biggest failing right now is his failure to overturn Obamacare like he promised. Millions of people are still held at gunpoint for skyrocketing premiums and deductibles they can't afford. As soon as the GOP kills Obamacare, his approval will skyrocket.

Jesus, this is my new favorite reaction gif.

Annihilated posted...

As soon as the GOP kills Obamacare,

So, how soon do you figure that will be with a 51-49 senate?
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I would expect nothing less than liberal toadies joking about the fucked over working class.

Annihilated posted...
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Annihilated posted...

I find it cute how liberals always assume other people disapprove of Trump for the same reasons they do. His biggest failing right now is his failure to overturn Obamacare like he promised. Millions of people are still held at gunpoint for skyrocketing premiums and deductibles they can't afford. As soon as the GOP kills Obamacare, his approval will skyrocket.

I hope you realize once OC is killed without a major alternative in place to offset it you'll free people from the gun to their head but you'll also kill pretty much anyone who goes into a hospital (if they're still operating in their area period).

But please, go on about this subject.
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Why is the alt right angry dude is a pedo fuck that you should want better people than that in your party
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Zeeak4444 posted...

I hope you realize once OC is killed without a major alternative in place to offset it you'll free people from the gun to their head but you'll also kill pretty much anyone who goes into a hospital (if they're still operating in their area period).

The first ones to die if the mandate-repeal only passes will be the providers. Seriously. If I was running a shop like BCBS, I would literally close the company and cash out, fulfilling only the remaining policies in the event of a repeal-mandate-only.
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Annihilated posted...

I find it cute how liberals always assume other people disapprove of Trump for the same reasons they do. His biggest failing right now is his failure to overturn Obamacare like he promised. Millions of people are still held at gunpoint for skyrocketing premiums and deductibles they can't afford. As soon as the GOP kills Obamacare, his approval will skyrocket.

I hope you realize once OC is killed without a major alternative in place to offset it you'll free people from the gun to their head but you'll also kill pretty much anyone who goes into a hospital (if they're still operating in their area period).

But please, go on about this subject.

Hey! It's a perfect solution. If all the poor people die, there will only be rich people left. Your country is instantly prosperous! No more poverty!

Zeeak4444 posted...

Annihilated posted...

I find it cute how liberals always assume other people disapprove of Trump for the same reasons they do. His biggest failing right now is his failure to overturn Obamacare like he promised. Millions of people are still held at gunpoint for skyrocketing premiums and deductibles they can't afford. As soon as the GOP kills Obamacare, his approval will skyrocket.

I hope you realize once OC is killed without a major alternative in place to offset it you'll free people from the gun to their head but you'll also kill pretty much anyone who goes into a hospital (if they're still operating in their area period).

But please, go on about this subject.

Not if they buy the cheaper insurance plans that are currently illegal to sell under ACA. Catastrophic coverage should be all some people need. Direct care providers can handle literally anything else for far cheaper.

Annihilated posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Annihilated posted...

I find it cute how liberals always assume other people disapprove of Trump for the same reasons they do. His biggest failing right now is his failure to overturn Obamacare like he promised. Millions of people are still held at gunpoint for skyrocketing premiums and deductibles they can't afford. As soon as the GOP kills Obamacare, his approval will skyrocket.

I hope you realize once OC is killed without a major alternative in place to offset it you'll free people from the gun to their head but you'll also kill pretty much anyone who goes into a hospital (if they're still operating in their area period).

But please, go on about this subject.

Not if they buy the cheaper insurance plans that are currently illegal to sell under ACA. Catastrophic coverage should be all some people need. Direct care providers can handle literally anything else for far cheaper.

And who provides the 'cheaper plans'?

Annihilated posted...

Not if they buy the cheaper insurance plans that are currently illegal to sell under ACA. Catastrophic coverage should be all some people need. Direct care providers can handle literally anything else for far cheaper.

FYI I work with a guy who takes meds for Gout. Those meds cost $800 a month, but thankfully, he's insured.

A few cubes away from him, a woman was recently diagnosed with Gout.

With "only catastrophic coverage" she'd be out $800 a month and no way to get new insurance via pre-existing condition clauses.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

I hope you realize once OC is killed without a major alternative in place to offset it you'll free people from the gun to their head but you'll also kill pretty much anyone who goes into a hospital (if they're still operating in their area period).

The first ones to die if the mandate-repeal only passes will be the providers. Seriously. If I was running a shop like BCBS, I would literally close the company and cash out, fulfilling only the remaining policies in the event of a repeal-mandate-only.

It's quite the interesting situation to say the least. I can't say I'd even blame you TBH.

Annihilated posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Annihilated posted...

I find it cute how liberals always assume other people disapprove of Trump for the same reasons they do. His biggest failing right now is his failure to overturn Obamacare like he promised. Millions of people are still held at gunpoint for skyrocketing premiums and deductibles they can't afford. As soon as the GOP kills Obamacare, his approval will skyrocket.

I hope you realize once OC is killed without a major alternative in place to offset it you'll free people from the gun to their head but you'll also kill pretty much anyone who goes into a hospital (if they're still operating in their area period).

But please, go on about this subject.

Not if they buy the cheaper insurance plans that are currently illegal to sell under ACA. Catastrophic coverage should be all some people need. Direct care providers can handle literally anything else for far cheaper.

I mean, I disagree for a variety of reasons. You're ignoring so many aspects of healthcare that aren't typically portrayed in an article you'll read online.

We're still only talking about providers too (which Chrom just gave a good example).
If the mandate only repeal happens you realize most hospitals are going to be hit really fucking hard too right?
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Zeeak4444 posted...

I mean, I disagree for a variety of reasons. You're ignoring so many aspects of healthcare that aren't typically portrayed in an article you'll read online.

We're still only talking about providers too (which Chrom just gave a good example).
If the mandate only repeal happens you realize most hospitals are going to be hit really fucking hard too right?

Hospitals as of right now are allowed to charge whatever they want because they don't have anything like a claims adjuster to verify what they're charging. They're not in danger of running out of money any time soon, especially since most visits come out of pocket with deductibles being so high. I don't see what this has to do with the individual mandate being repealed which would just return to business as usual pre 2010. Employer mandate is an entirely different beast.

ChromaticAngel posted...

Annihilated posted...

Not if they buy the cheaper insurance plans that are currently illegal to sell under ACA. Catastrophic coverage should be all some people need. Direct care providers can handle literally anything else for far cheaper.

FYI I work with a guy who takes meds for Gout. Those meds cost $800 a month, but thankfully, he's insured.

A few cubes away from him, a woman was recently diagnosed with Gout.

With "only catastrophic coverage" she'd be out $800 a month and no way to get new insurance via pre-existing condition clauses.

https://www.dpcare.org/
You seem to be overlooking the part where I mentioned direct care, the future of health care.

Annihilated posted...

You seem to be overlooking the part where I mentioned direct care, the future of health care.

Did you look at the map of where it's available, because it's clearly a really long term future. The woman I work with was diagnosed with gout a few months ago as in right now and not the future.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Annihilated posted...

You seem to be overlooking the part where I mentioned direct care, the future of health care.

Did you look at the map of where it's available, because it's clearly a really long term future. The woman I work with was diagnosed with gout a few months ago as in right now and not the future.

A) DPC is only a couple of years old, the fact that it's grown this much given the great risk and cost involved is remarkable.
B) It's even more remarkable given the absence of a free healthcare market. Since all Americans legally have to purchase overpriced bloated health insurance, there is little point in not using it. Signing up for a clinic is redundant and an additional cost under the current law.

@Annihilated posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

I mean, I disagree for a variety of reasons. You're ignoring so many aspects of healthcare that aren't typically portrayed in an article you'll read online.

We're still only talking about providers too (which Chrom just gave a good example).
If the mandate only repeal happens you realize most hospitals are going to be hit really fucking hard too right?

Hospitals as of right now are allowed to charge whatever they want because they don't have anything like a claims adjuster to verify what they're charging. They're not in danger of running out of money any time soon, especially since most visits come out of pocket with deductibles being so high. I don't see what this has to do with the individual mandate being repealed which would just return to business as usual pre 2010. Employer mandate is an entirely different beast.

ChromaticAngel posted...

Annihilated posted...

Not if they buy the cheaper insurance plans that are currently illegal to sell under ACA. Catastrophic coverage should be all some people need. Direct care providers can handle literally anything else for far cheaper.

FYI I work with a guy who takes meds for Gout. Those meds cost $800 a month, but thankfully, he's insured.

A few cubes away from him, a woman was recently diagnosed with Gout.

With "only catastrophic coverage" she'd be out $800 a month and no way to get new insurance via pre-existing condition clauses.

https://www.dpcare.org/
You seem to be overlooking the part where I mentioned direct care, the future of health care.

This all just shows a woeful lack of knowledge about the whole situation.

Just two quick questions:

How often do hospitals absorb the cost of patients that can't pay their bills?

How is this cost offset?
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Zeeak4444 posted...

This all just shows a woeful lack of knowledge about the whole situation.

Just two quick questions:

How often do hospitals absorb the cost of patients that can't pay their bills?

How is this cost offset?

How do they absorb it? With outrageous fees of course. How is it offset? By marking up every drug, IV bag, and pillow case by upwards of 3,000% or whatever insurance companies and their customers will pay. They also intentionally miscategorize many of their emergency room admissions one or two ranks higher than the care that they actually need, causing thousands of people to pay more than it should actually cost. There is an insane fucked up web of fraud going on in the health care industry.

The country lost once it elected trump
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Annihilated posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

This all just shows a woeful lack of knowledge about the whole situation.

Just two quick questions:

How often do hospitals absorb the cost of patients that can't pay their bills?

How is this cost offset?

How do they absorb it? With outrageous fees of course. How is it offset? By marking up every drug, IV bag, and pillow case by upwards of 3,000% or whatever insurance companies and their customers will pay. They also intentionally miscategorize many of their emergency room admissions one or two ranks higher than the care that they actually need, causing thousands of people to pay more than it should actually cost. There is an insane fucked up web of fraud going on in the health care industry.

Thank you for making it painfully obvious you know next to nothing about the subject and should be ignored on this topic all together (not a sleight towards you, just the honest truth).
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Zeeak4444 posted...

Annihilated posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

This all just shows a woeful lack of knowledge about the whole situation.

Just two quick questions:

How often do hospitals absorb the cost of patients that can't pay their bills?

How is this cost offset?

How do they absorb it? With outrageous fees of course. How is it offset? By marking up every drug, IV bag, and pillow case by upwards of 3,000% or whatever insurance companies and their customers will pay. They also intentionally miscategorize many of their emergency room admissions one or two ranks higher than the care that they actually need, causing thousands of people to pay more than it should actually cost. There is an insane fucked up web of fraud going on in the health care industry.

Thank you for making it painfully obvious you know next to nothing about the subject and should be ignored on this topic all together (not a sleight towards you, just the honest truth).

Since you've opted to throw a little bitch fit, here are some sources you can ignore that support my claims while you continue to refute nothing.

https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/healthcare/price-gouging-er-patients-often-overcharged-but-mark-ups-highest-for-minorities
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/emergency_room_patients_routinely_overcharged_study_finds
http://www.newsweek.com/why-hospitals-mark-prices-1000-percent-343006
http://www.ajpb.com/news/study-hospitals-markup-drugs-significantly

Annihilated posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

Annihilated posted...

Zeeak4444 posted...

This all just shows a woeful lack of knowledge about the whole situation.

Just two quick questions:

How often do hospitals absorb the cost of patients that can't pay their bills?

How is this cost offset?

How do they absorb it? With outrageous fees of course. How is it offset? By marking up every drug, IV bag, and pillow case by upwards of 3,000% or whatever insurance companies and their customers will pay. They also intentionally miscategorize many of their emergency room admissions one or two ranks higher than the care that they actually need, causing thousands of people to pay more than it should actually cost. There is an insane fucked up web of fraud going on in the health care industry.

Thank you for making it painfully obvious you know next to nothing about the subject and should be ignored on this topic all together (not a sleight towards you, just the honest truth).

Since you've opted to throw a little bitch fit, here are some sources you can ignore that support my claims while you continue to refute nothing.

https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/healthcare/price-gouging-er-patients-often-overcharged-but-mark-ups-highest-for-minorities
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/emergency_room_patients_routinely_overcharged_study_finds
http://www.newsweek.com/why-hospitals-mark-prices-1000-percent-343006
http://www.ajpb.com/news/study-hospitals-markup-drugs-significantly

Ok.
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Hopefully, Trump endorses more conservatives.
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

r4X0r posted...

Taking everything back in 2020... you've got no platforms to run on and no candidates to run.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76092664/892107267

LMAO
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Run a blatant Marxist in 2020 or don't bother.