Current Events > Why does anyone want Marvel to get ahold of the XMen?

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Why?

X Men, apart from a couple of duds, has always been a great franchise of movies. Now with Logan and Deadpool (and the soon to be released horror movie), they really hit their stride. This is a great franchise under Sony (or Fox, whatever it is).

Yet people want Marvel to buy them out? So they become carbon copies of all the other MCU movies? You really think Marvel would be able to (or willing) produce a movie like Deadpool? I don't think so. It takes balls for a movie exec to greenlight that, and the Marvel guys, to all their credit, are not ones to take risks (and i dont blame them, they are rolling in money).

I get Spider Man and Fantastic Four, sunce those franchises wre floundering (though I do like variety in stuff, always have). I for one am happy that Venom isn't MCU, I want it to be similar to Logan. All Marvel movies feel too samey.

So there. What you guys think? Should Marvel get a hold of X Men? Would it benefit the fans?
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Adding X-Men into MCU at this point would result in such a trainwreck that would make Justice League look like Gone With The Wind.

So having them acquire the X-Men seems excessively pointless since it'll just decrease the quality of the movies even further.
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part of me wishes the xmen stayed with fox. I have had the following opinion for some time now

I think that the XMen work better on their own, in their own universe. And I wish in the comics, Marvel would do a massive retcon event and move them to a new universe. they could interact still sometimes with interdimensional shenanigans but they should have separate worlds to live in.

ChromaticAngel posted...

Adding X-Men into MCU at this point would result in such a trainwreck that would make Justice League look like Gone With The Wind.

So having them acquire the X-Men seems excessively pointless since it'll just decrease the quality of the movies even further.

I think the goal is more about the Fantastic Four. they have alot to offer to the MCU. hopefully disney realizes that Xmen should stay out though

People want Marvel to get Fantastic Four back, it's just they will get both or they will get neither. Most fans actually want X-men to remain separate from the MCU l.
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I just want Magento, Doctor Doom, Kang, and Super Skrull
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Whatever happens I'm sure Marvel will make it work.

I'm not overly confident with Fox though. They're very hit and miss. So I don't care if they lose it. They'd probably just let Deadpool keep going and I don't care if they scrapped the Fox X-Men.
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Zikten posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Adding X-Men into MCU at this point would result in such a trainwreck that would make Justice League look like Gone With The Wind.

So having them acquire the X-Men seems excessively pointless since it'll just decrease the quality of the movies even further.

I think the goal is more about the Fantastic Four. they have alot to offer to the MCU. hopefully disney realizes that Xmen should stay out though

They can just sell the Fantastic 4 back to Disney if they want to. It's not like Fox is doing anything with it anyway.

But they're using the X-Men and despite hit or miss I like how the movies are thematically different from the Marvel movies and I don't really want that to change.
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There have been more bad X-men movies than good ones. But either way, Disney has been doing a phenomenal job and they most likely won't implement them until they restructure the whole MCU
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I can't wait for all these people to eat their words when the X-Men are inevitably grown into the MCU and it's amazing.
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I don't want Disney to incorporate the X-Men into the MCU. There is no way to do it at this point without sweeping continuity changes.

But Fox gives Marvel the Fantastic Four properties too that includes:
Doctor Doom
Proper skrulls
Galactus
Silver Surfer
Annihilus
The Shi'ar
And a bunch of other cosmic stuff
And obviously the Fantastic Four

That can all be brought into the universe fairly easily.
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Would the X-Men really be that hard to implement anyway? There's nothing in the universe that rules out mutants that I can think of. Presumably Xavier's Academy could be secret until the X-Men are formed.

X-Men vs The Avengers would be awesome.
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The X-Men franchise is complete dog shit. Maybe we can finally get good ones.
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I'm fine with them keeping X-Men, but I just want Doctor Doom to get the glorious screen presence he deserves.

And yeah, don't forget Disney owns Marvel and they would always play it safe as a result.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

There have been more bad X-men movies than good ones. But either way, Disney has been doing a phenomenal job and they most likely won't implement them until they restructure the whole MCU

In my opinion:

Good:

XMen
XMen 2
First Class
Days of Future Past
Apocalypse
Deadpool
Logan

Bad:

XMen 3
Origins Wolverine
The Wolverine

ReD_ToMaTo posted...

The X-Men franchise is complete dog shit. Maybe we can finally get good ones.

Really? Deadpool and Logan were shit? They clearly take bigger chances than Marvel and I appreciate that.
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MachoManSavage posted...

Good:

XMen
XMen 2
First Class
Days of Future Past
Apocalypse
Deadpool
Logan

Bad:

XMen 3
Origins Wolverine
The Wolverine

This is my exact list lol

Although I don't think a lot of people realize that Deadpool is from the X-Men series and therefore doesn't count
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Guardians of the Galaxy was pretty risky. So is Black Panther. I'd even argue that the original Iron Man was one hell of a gamble.

I think people take for granted how much risk Marvel took to get to where they are today. Fox is pretty conservative in comparison.
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Darmik posted...

Guardians of the Galaxy was pretty risky. So is Black Panther. I'd even argue that the original Iron Man was one hell of a gamble.

I think people take for granted how much risk Marvel took to get to where they are today. Fox is pretty conservative in comparison.

GotG isn't that risky. It's a shiny, fun, action packed adventure like the rest.

Risky as in they didn't know if it wasn't going to sell? Sure. Gaurdiens wasn't an established brand.

But the movie itself is typical MCU.

Is Black Panther out? Pretty sure it's not
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MachoManSavage posted...

Risky as in they didn't know if it wasn't going to sell? Sure.

That's generally what risky means yeah.

MachoManSavage posted...

Is Black Panther out? Pretty sure it's not

No. But it's a black superhero movie set Africa. Doesn't really have a precedent.
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Gheb posted...

I don't want Disney to incorporate the X-Men into the MCU. There is no way to do it at this point without sweeping continuity changes.

But Fox gives Marvel the Fantastic Four properties too that includes:
Doctor Doom
Proper skrulls
Galactus
Silver Surfer
Annihilus
The Shi'ar
And a bunch of other cosmic stuff
And obviously the Fantastic Four

That can all be brought into the universe fairly easily.

This.
That's exactly what all comic fans want. Don't know where TC got that people want X-Men in the MCU
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MachoManSavage posted...

Darmik posted...

Guardians of the Galaxy was pretty risky. So is Black Panther. I'd even argue that the original Iron Man was one hell of a gamble.

I think people take for granted how much risk Marvel took to get to where they are today. Fox is pretty conservative in comparison.

GotG isn't that risky. It's a shiny, fun, action packed adventure like the rest.

Risky as in they didn't know if it wasn't going to sell? Sure. Gaurdiens wasn't an established brand.

But the movie itself is typical MCU.

Is Black Panther out? Pretty sure it's not

Wut. Nothing about Logan or Deadpool was risky. Those were literally the movies fans were dying for since X2 lol if anything the risky movies for Fox were Origins and the Wolverine. And we all know how much those sucked.

Unless you mean rated R means "risky" which is a ridiculous notion lol
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Don't give a shit about X-Men in MCU, just want all the great villains.
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MachoManSavage posted...

But the movie itself is typical MCU.

It was way funnier than normal. And you proved Darmik's point. All their previous movies only had heroes that people would recognize. A tiny minority knew who the Guardians were. The rest of us had no clue who these people are or why there was a talking tree and raccoon. This was a huge risk.
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Darmik posted...

I'd even argue that the original Iron Man was one hell of a gamble.

Look up the history and origins of Marvel Studios and you'll see that this was their only true gamble. Everything else after that coasted on the brand name that wouldn't stop the train if a movie failed
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I would argue that Deadpool and Logan were risky. But as far as I know it took a lot of arm twisting for them to be approved and these wouldn't have happened without Reynolds and Jackman.

Look at all the Wolverine movies that were butchered and neutered before Logan.
Deadpool only got made with a really low budget for a superhero movie.

Fox is not a studio that takes a lot of risks. A lot of the video game adaptations are through them.
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Secret Wars saga.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Adding X-Men into MCU at this point would result in such a trainwreck that would make Justice League look like Gone With The Wind.

So having them acquire the X-Men seems excessively pointless since it'll just decrease the quality of the movies even further.

Gone with the Wind sounds like it's about fart jokes. Seth MacFarlane is probably doing a remake.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

Wut. Nothing about Logan or Deadpool was risky. Those were literally the movies fans were dying for since X2 lol if anything the risky movies for Fox were Origins and the Wolverine. And we all know how much those sucked.

Werent Risky?

The safe thing to have done was to make a family friendly movie, ala Marvel movies. They sell well. Everyone can approach them.

Deadpool is incredibly rated R. It's not a superhero movie. It's about a degenerative making adult jokes for 90 moinutes.

Logan is not a superhero movie either, like Origins and The Wolverine are. Logan took a risk and made it a drama about a father and his daughter. It was a risk.

The new XMen movie looks like a straight up horror flick.

These are creative risks. They could easily just follow the Marvel formula, with action packed no stakes superhero movies. Instead, the creative risk is not following the blueprint.

dave_is_slick posted...

MachoManSavage posted...

But the movie itself is typical MCU.

It was way funnier than normal. And you proved Darmik's point. All their previous movies only had heroes that people would recognize. A tiny minority knew who the Guardians were. The rest of us had no clue who these people are or why there was a talking tree and raccoon. This was a huge risk.

You're right. It was funnier than normal. But it still fits in nicely with the rest of the universe. It doesn't stand out, apart from being the best movie Marvel released. In my opinion.
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It fits in nicely in the universe yes.

But trying to fit in a sci-fi adventure with a modern superhero universe hasn't been done before. That's an awkward combination.

The fact that it seems seamless is to Marvels credit. Same thing with Thor. If this stuff was easy to accomplish you'd see other studios doing it. But they're all failing miserably at it.
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MachoManSavage posted...

Logan is not a superhero movie either, like Origins and The Wolverine are. Logan took a risk and made it a drama about a father and his daughter. It was a risk.

Logan wasn't a risk. Origins and The Wolverine were terrible because they made it PG-13.

Once the studio saw what Deadpool did as Rated R, they went with Logan as Rated R.
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MachoManSavage posted...

ReD_ToMaTo posted...
The X-Men franchise is complete dog shit. Maybe we can finally get good ones.

Really? Deadpool and Logan were shit? They clearly take bigger chances than Marvel and I appreciate that.

Deadpool was pretty good and Logan was meh. And they're the best one's and barely even X movies. The rest are garbage.
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Darmik posted...

Would the X-Men really be that hard to implement anyway? There's nothing in the universe that rules out mutants that I can think of. Presumably Xavier's Academy could be secret until the X-Men are formed.

X-Men vs The Avengers would be awesome.

It'd be hard to explain why nobody had noticed a not-immaterial portion of the populace randomly getting superpowers for all these years.

You also can't just have mutants just suddenly appear either. Because a culture of fear and hate built into society is essential to the X-Men story. Also Magneto being a holocaust survivor.
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Gheb posted...

It'd be hard to explain why nobody had noticed a not-immaterial portion of the populace randomly getting superpowers for all these years.

Who said they haven't? SHIELD and Xavier could be covering them up from the public for their safety.

Gheb posted...

You also can't just have mutants just suddenly appear either. Because a culture of fear and hate built into society is essential to the X-Men story. Also Magneto being a holocaust survivor.

All of the superheroes so far are either masked or very public figures. They tend to join The Avengers. If average people are getting mutant powers people would be paranoid.
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Gheb posted...

I don't want Disney to incorporate the X-Men into the MCU. There is no way to do it at this point without sweeping continuity changes.

But Fox gives Marvel the Fantastic Four properties too that includes:
Doctor Doom
Proper skrulls
Galactus
Silver Surfer
Annihilus
The Shi'ar
And a bunch of other cosmic stuff
And obviously the Fantastic Four

That can all be brought into the universe fairly easily.

Don't forget Namor.
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SlashmanSG posted...

Don't forget Namor.

I think trying to do Namor after Aquaman is a bad idea.
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So that Marvel vs Capcom can finally stop sucking!

DUH!
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Zack_Attackv1 posted...

So that Marvel vs Capcom can finally stop sucking!

DUH!

Yeah, that's the only reason MvCI sucks was no wolverine. There were totally no other problems.
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Fox is selling regardless. If someone is going to buy, Disney is the best choice.

If there's a way to seamlessly integrate X-Men in the MCU, Marvel will find a way. It's not entirely impossible. It won't be a 1:1 adaptation of the comics, but the MCU has already taken massive liberties anyway.

Anyway, the bigger deal here is Dr. Doom, Galactus, Silver Surfer and the rest of cosmic stuff. Ripe for post-IW MCU threats.
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