Current Events > Korean Gamers Outraged Over Western Feminist Revisions To Their History

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https://squawker.org/culture-wars/sjwciv/

I'm not Korean and even I see this as a slight annoyance.
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Is it SJW nonsense or just ignorance of history though?

I don't see what's SJW about Civilization games at all unless they are trying to paint her as a great leader just because she's a Woman, then maybe? I dunno. Just seems like Koreans are upset they chose someone that wasn't good to represent them in the game.
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Living in America where our entertainment is increasingly pandering to the tastes of self-proclaimed Social Justice Warriors, its sometimes easy to forget there are large parts of the world still resistant to such influences. This can cause issues however, when our forced diversity entertainment is exported around the world.

Yeah, this site doesn't have an agenda at all.
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Also, this site calls Wolfenstein 2 a "SJW fest":
https://squawker.org/world/nazimilo/
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What a dumb article. All it says is that Koreans are upset about who is being chosen to represent their culture without even going into who is a more fitting alternative. If not her, then who? And it's especially ridiculous that they're choosing to use the Civilization series as a vehicle to express their outrage. They don't like the inaccurate portrayal of their culture in the same exact series that features Gandhi being a nuke happy madman. But not much else to expect from an article thats only purpose is to stick it to dem sjws.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

Living in America where our entertainment is increasingly pandering to the tastes of self-proclaimed Social Justice Warriors, its sometimes easy to forget there are large parts of the world still resistant to such influences. This can cause issues however, when our forced diversity entertainment is exported around the world.

Yeah, this site doesn't have an agenda at all.

The site has an agenda and Civ game developers have an agenda. I'd like to think they cancel each other out, but it's more like the fire just gets bigger because of both sides.
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civ 5 > civ 6 anyway

in gameplay and in atmosphere
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Vyrulisse posted...

Is it SJW nonsense or just ignorance of history though?

More ignorance. Her rule was difficult because she was a woman and the Silla Dynasty was on its last legs. She was big on helping others and furthering the arts. She wasn't a military Queen so the surrounding forces took advantage of it.

Korean history textbooks don't really focus on females accomplishments. But she was far from terrible leader or even betrayer. I have no idea what that person is referring to.

Having said that, it is a bit odd to have her as the main leader and not Sejong. It would be like having John Adams as the US's iconic leader instead of Washington or Lincoln. Not a bad choice, just unconventional.

TLDR: She was a good/decent leader. The inclusion is odd. The sexism/ignorance of their history is real.
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Kastrada posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

Is it SJW nonsense or just ignorance of history though?

More ignorance. Her rule was difficult because she was a woman and the Silla Dynasty was on its last legs. She was big on helping others and furthering the arts. She wasn't a military Queen so the surrounding forces took advantage of it.

Korean history textbooks don't really focus on females accomplishments. But she was far from terrible leader or even betrayer. I have no idea what that person is referring to.

Having said that, it is a bit odd to have her as the main leader and not Sejong. It would be like having John Adams as the US's iconic leader instead of Washington or Lincoln. Not a bad choice, just unconventional.

TLDR: She was a good/decent leader. The inclusion is odd. The sexism/ignorance of their history is real.

Well that makes more sense.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

They don't like the inaccurate portrayal of their culture in the same exact series that features Gandhi being a nuke happy madman.

tl;dr of the article.
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Kastrada posted...

Having said that, it is a bit odd to have her as the main leader and not Sejong. It would be like having John Adams as the US's iconic leader instead of Washington or Lincoln. Not a bad choice, just unconventional.

Hasn't he been one before? I forget all the different civs the game has had over the years tbh.
I'm guessing they just wanted someone different this time if so, is all.
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untrustful posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

They don't like the inaccurate portrayal of their culture in the same exact series that features Gandhi being a nuke happy madman.

tl;dr of the article.

Yeah, but Ghandi being trigger happy is a series long meme that was initially a glitch that resulted in Ghandi having excessively aggressive policies. It was a mistake, not intentional.
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Funkydog posted...

Kastrada posted...

Having said that, it is a bit odd to have her as the main leader and not Sejong. It would be like having John Adams as the US's iconic leader instead of Washington or Lincoln. Not a bad choice, just unconventional.

Hasn't he been one before? I forget all the different civs the game has had over the years tbh.
I'm guessing they just wanted someone different this time if so, is all.

Yes, he was the leader of Korea in Civ V's expansion.
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EverDownward posted...

Funkydog posted...

Kastrada posted...

Having said that, it is a bit odd to have her as the main leader and not Sejong. It would be like having John Adams as the US's iconic leader instead of Washington or Lincoln. Not a bad choice, just unconventional.

Hasn't he been one before? I forget all the different civs the game has had over the years tbh.
I'm guessing they just wanted someone different this time if so, is all.

Yes, he was the leader of Korea in Civ V's expansion.

Well, just seems to me they might've wanted someone different this time.

And is this even actual outrage, or the modern day "twitter outrage" of less than a dozen people?
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Funkydog posted...

Kastrada posted...

Having said that, it is a bit odd to have her as the main leader and not Sejong. It would be like having John Adams as the US's iconic leader instead of Washington or Lincoln. Not a bad choice, just unconventional.

Hasn't he been one before? I forget all the different civs the game has had over the years tbh.
I'm guessing they just wanted someone different this time if so, is all.

I know nothing about the games. But I live in Korea, study the history and try to include it my classes.

I'll bring it up to a couple of my students tomorrow that love history and gaming to gauge their opinions.
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Also does it really matter who a leader of a Civ is in that game? Aren't they all about strategy?
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Funkydog posted...

EverDownward posted...

Funkydog posted...

Kastrada posted...

Having said that, it is a bit odd to have her as the main leader and not Sejong. It would be like having John Adams as the US's iconic leader instead of Washington or Lincoln. Not a bad choice, just unconventional.

Hasn't he been one before? I forget all the different civs the game has had over the years tbh.
I'm guessing they just wanted someone different this time if so, is all.

Yes, he was the leader of Korea in Civ V's expansion.

Well, just seems to me they might've wanted someone different this time.

And is this even actual outrage, or the modern day "twitter outrage" of less than a dozen people?

Iunnno, I just heard about this last night
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EverDownward posted...

untrustful posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

They don't like the inaccurate portrayal of their culture in the same exact series that features Gandhi being a nuke happy madman.

tl;dr of the article.

Yeah, but Ghandi being trigger happy is a series long meme that was initially a glitch that resulted in Ghandi having excessively aggressive policies. It was a mistake, not intentional.

You'd have a point if the glitch wasn't embraced and became a series staple.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

EverDownward posted...

untrustful posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

They don't like the inaccurate portrayal of their culture in the same exact series that features Gandhi being a nuke happy madman.

tl;dr of the article.

Yeah, but Ghandi being trigger happy is a series long meme that was initially a glitch that resulted in Ghandi having excessively aggressive policies. It was a mistake, not intentional.

You'd have a point if the glitch wasn't embraced and became a series staple.

I do have a point in the last sentence. Ghandi wasn't initially designed that way, Korea having an unconventional female leader in this game was a conscious choice on the dev's part.
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Kastrada posted...

I know nothing about the games. But I live in Korea, study the history and try to include it my classes.

I'll bring it up to a couple of my students tomorrow that love history and gaming to gauge their opinions.

Well, the games do change up their leaders with each installment and don't just keep the same one. Would someone else have been better, not including Sejong? I know nothing at all about Korea really, but seems to be a lot of conflicting information about her.

Either she was a useless menace that brought ruin and despair, or she was a ruler at a time of great strife who did what she could to help Korea.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

All it says is that Koreans are upset about who is being chosen to represent their culture without even going into who is a more fitting alternative. If not her, then who?

if you read it you'd see them praising the civ v choice of sejong II

Funkydog posted...

I'm guessing they just wanted someone different this time if so, is all.

correct; the issue in their view seems to be that there's really no one else remotely comparable to sejong

Vyrulisse posted...

Also does it really matter who a leader of a Civ is in that game? Aren't they all about strategy?

it does not matter in the slightest
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EverDownward posted...

It was a mistake, not intentional.

It was a mistake the first time it happened, it stops being a mistake when you repeat it as a joke.
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Funkydog posted...

Kastrada posted...

I know nothing about the games. But I live in Korea, study the history and try to include it my classes.

I'll bring it up to a couple of my students tomorrow that love history and gaming to gauge their opinions.

Well, the games do change up their leaders with each installment and don't just keep the same one. Would someone else have been better, not including Sejong? I know nothing at all about Korea really, but seems to be a lot of conflicting information about her.

Either she was a useless menace that brought ruin and despair, or she was a ruler at a time of great strife who did what she could to help Korea.

I mean....yeah there are a lot of good leaders they could have used. She wasn't terrible, at least not in my eyes. She was a big proponent of the arts and sciences. She commissioned one of the first observatories in East Asia (which is cool as fucking hell).

She was an above average leader really. But sexism is REALLY bad here. Couple that with Korea REALLY supporting their favorites and fuck everybody else (Sejong is the OG king), and it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of people hated the choice.
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untrustful posted...

EverDownward posted...

It was a mistake, not intentional.

It was a mistake the first time it happened, it stops being a mistake when you repeat it as a joke.

I feel like people are intentionally misunderstanding what I was saying. The guy was trying to invalidate the 'outrage,' if you want to call it that, by equating a mistake in Ghandi's coding to the choice for this Korean leader. The authenticity was legitimate in the original game, where Ghandi was supposed to be pacifist, but the coding just got messed up. The devs choosing an unconventional leader is intentional on their part, and that's where the legitimacy kinda goes up in the air for debate.

The fact that the bug became a joke doesn't invalidate what I was saying.
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untrustful posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

They don't like the inaccurate portrayal of their culture in the same exact series that features Gandhi being a nuke happy madman.

tl;dr of the article.

Except Gandhi actually said IRL to a journalist that he wanted to nuke the British.
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She does kind of look like a chubby Latina
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kuwab0 posted...

She does kind of look like a chubby Latina

Lol looks Filipino to me.

Also I died at them using a picture of FUCKING MOVIE ACTRESS and being like see! She looks nothing like our queen!

Um...thats an actress bitch

A_Good_Boy posted...

What a dumb article. All it says is that Koreans are upset about who is being chosen to represent their culture without even going into who is a more fitting alternative. If not her, then who? And it's especially ridiculous that they're choosing to use the Civilization series as a vehicle to express their outrage. They don't like the inaccurate portrayal of their culture in the same exact series that features Gandhi being a nuke happy madman. But not much else to expect from an article thats only purpose is to stick it to dem sjws.

So Smite, a MOBA where the characters are gods from Various polytheist pantheons, got significant political blowback from India when they included Hindu gods.

The stupid thing here is...

1. The people who are complaining don't play the game.
2. They have Indian playtesters / QA in India and those guys love the Hindu gods.
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