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StickFigures720 12/05/17 10:46:26 AM #203:	Much of it are so-called free-to-play cashgrabs that are rip-offs of much bigger games. --- "Someone give me some aspirin." <cite>StickFigures720 posted [p:891629687] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote>Much of it are so-called free-to-play cashgrabs that are rip-offs of much bigger games.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 12/05/17 10:49:03 AM #204:	Master Kazuya posted... You seem to have used "subculture" and "category" almost interchangeably and those two are not the same things at all. Mobile gaming is a subcategory of gaming but I'd be hesitant to call it a subculture. It is absolutely astonishing that you'd consider even for a second people wearing colored unforms and having fake virtual wars for "Team Instinct/Valor/Mystic" to be not a subculture. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:891629812] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>Master Kazuya posted...</cite> <quote>You seem to have used "subculture" and "category" almost interchangeably and those two are not the same things at all. Mobile gaming is a subcategory of gaming but I'd be hesitant to call it a subculture.</quote> It is absolutely astonishing that you'd consider even for a second people wearing colored unforms and having fake virtual wars for "Team Instinct/Valor/Mystic" to be not a subculture.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yoloyoloswagEMP 12/05/17 11:11:22 AM #205:	ChromaticAngel posted... Master Kazuya posted... You seem to have used "subculture" and "category" almost interchangeably and those two are not the same things at all. Mobile gaming is a subcategory of gaming but I'd be hesitant to call it a subculture. It is absolutely astonishing that you'd consider even for a second people wearing colored unforms and having fake virtual wars for "Team Instinct/Valor/Mystic" to be not a subculture. Hit the nail on the head. <cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted [p:891630882] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Master Kazuya posted...</cite> <quote>You seem to have used "subculture" and "category" almost interchangeably and those two are not the same things at all. Mobile gaming is a subcategory of gaming but I'd be hesitant to call it a subculture.</quote> It is absolutely astonishing that you'd consider even for a second people wearing colored unforms and having fake virtual wars for "Team Instinct/Valor/Mystic" to be not a subculture.</quote> Hit the nail on the head.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Kazuya 12/05/17 11:20:03 AM #206:	yoloyoloswagEMP posted... We're not discussing the ethical implications of microtransactions. Yes we are. Your question title is, quite literally, why do "gamers" hate on mobile games so much? The ethics of microtransactions is why they hate on mobile games so much. They don't like anything about the practices, they don't like what it represents, and they don't like where it's headed. There's the answer. yoloyoloswagEMP posted... What is a gamer in your eyes? I've already answered this. Master Kazuya posted... but it can also mean "someone with personal investment into the gaming-sphere", and generally people who play only mobile games have little to no investment into the culture, and people don't like being grouped with that. Some people consider video games as a big contribution to their identity, hence 'gamer'. I think you're misunderstanding me. I think it's possible for someone on a mobile platform to still be a gamer. I'm saying that I've never seen a self identified "mobile gamer", seen them in the sphere, etc. It just seems to be this other thing that just coexists but hardly intersects with "the rest of us". Pokemon Go was probably the first time it felt like mobile gaming was its own subculture as opposed to subcategory, but even then, that's riding off of Pokemon. I've never heard of anyone speak on how mobile games is a part of their identity or is this huge part of their life. And the times I HAVE heard of any self-investment based on mobile games are purely from a financial investment (read: microtransactions) standpoint, which I refuse to attribute to actual investment, because those things are designed to take money from you. I was invested in certain games enough to go out and buy their OST, or fan-designed posters, or clothing or other merch. It wasn't like those games were engineered to nickle and dime me. I did it because I was a fan, not because I needed to do that to get enjoyment out of the game. Other points to make are, while arcade games also had ways to get quarters out of you (absurd difficulty, randomness, etc), the good thing about that is that those games die out if they're too absurd or not fun. Arcades have a limited space and owners would rather make room for machines that are getting play and sell the machines that aren't. So there's at least some level of regulation. Also, in those games, you got to keep playing if you were good. It doesn't matter how good you are at PAD or Candy Crush or whatever, you're still stuck behind dumbass paywalls and other ethical crap. --- itt my post is the best <cite>Master Kazuya posted [p:891631318] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted...</cite> <quote>We're not discussing the ethical implications of microtransactions.</quote> Yes we are. Your question title is, quite literally, why do "gamers" hate on mobile games so much? The ethics of microtransactions is why they hate on mobile games so much. They don't like anything about the practices, they don't like what it represents, and they don't like where it's headed. There's the answer. <cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted...</cite> <quote>What is a gamer in your eyes?</quote> I've already answered this. <cite>Master Kazuya posted...</cite> <quote>but it can also mean "someone with personal investment into the gaming-sphere", and generally people who play only mobile games have little to no investment into the culture, and people don't like being grouped with that. Some people consider video games as a big contribution to their identity, hence 'gamer'.</quote> I think you're misunderstanding me. I think it's possible for someone on a mobile platform to still be a gamer. I'm saying that I've never seen a self identified "mobile gamer", seen them in the sphere, etc. It just seems to be this other thing that just coexists but hardly intersects with "the rest of us". Pokemon Go was probably the first time it felt like mobile gaming was its own subculture as opposed to subcategory, but even then, that's riding off of Pokemon. I've never heard of anyone speak on how mobile games is a part of their identity or is this huge part of their life. And the times I HAVE heard of any self-investment based on mobile games are purely from a financial investment (read: microtransactions) standpoint, which I refuse to attribute to actual investment, because those things are designed to take money from you. I was invested in certain games enough to go out and buy their OST, or fan-designed posters, or clothing or other merch. It wasn't like those games were engineered to nickle and dime me. I did it because I was a fan, not because I needed to do that to get enjoyment out of the game. Other points to make are, while arcade games also had ways to get quarters out of you (absurd difficulty, randomness, etc), the good thing about that is that those games die out if they're too absurd or not fun. Arcades have a limited space and owners would rather make room for machines that are getting play and sell the machines that aren't. So there's at least some level of regulation. Also, in those games, you got to keep playing if you were good. It doesn't matter how good you are at PAD or Candy Crush or whatever, you're still stuck behind dumbass paywalls and other ethical crap.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Kazuya 12/05/17 11:21:30 AM #207:	ChromaticAngel posted... It is absolutely astonishing that you'd consider even for a second people wearing colored unforms and having fake virtual wars for "Team Instinct/Valor/Mystic" to be not a subculture. I wonder where POKEMON Go originated, and why Pokemon Go caught on so well. Aw geez Rick. I wonder why only Pokemon was able to do this on mobile and not any other mobile games. I wonder why Ingress didn't catch on with the same idea, but Pokemon did. --- itt my post is the best <cite>Master Kazuya posted [p:891631391] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote>It is absolutely astonishing that you'd consider even for a second people wearing colored unforms and having fake virtual wars for "Team Instinct/Valor/Mystic" to be not a subculture. </quote> I wonder where POKEMON Go originated, and why Pokemon Go caught on so well. Aw geez Rick. I wonder why only Pokemon was able to do this on mobile and not any other mobile games. I wonder why Ingress didn't catch on with the same idea, but Pokemon did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yoloyoloswagEMP 12/05/17 11:30:02 AM #208:	Master Kazuya posted... I think you're misunderstanding me. I think it's possible for someone on a mobile platform to still be a gamer. I'm saying that I've never seen a self identified "mobile gamer", seen them in the sphere, etc. It just seems to be this other thing that just coexists but hardly intersects with "the rest of us". Pokemon Go was probably the first time it felt like mobile gaming was its own subculture as opposed to subcategory, but even then, that's riding off of Pokemon. I've never heard of anyone speak on how mobile games is a part of their identity or is this huge part of their life. And the times I HAVE heard of any self-investment based on mobile games are purely from a financial investment (read: microtransactions) standpoint, which I refuse to attribute to actual investment, because those things are designed to take money from you. I was invested in certain games enough to go out and buy their OST, or fan-designed posters, or clothing or other merch. It wasn't like those games were engineered to nickle and dime me. I did it because I was a fan, not because I needed to do that to get enjoyment out of the game. Other points to make are, while arcade games also had ways to get quarters out of you (absurd difficulty, randomness, etc), the good thing about that is that those games die out if they're too absurd or not fun. Arcades have a limited space and owners would rather make room for machines that are getting play and sell the machines that aren't. So there's at least some level of regulation. Also, in those games, you got to keep playing if you were good. It doesn't matter how good you are at PAD or Candy Crush or whatever, you're still stuck behind dumbass paywalls and other ethical crap. It's very clear you don't know enough about mobile games to comment. In your personal experience, you don't know mobile gamers and therefore can't relate to the subject at hand. We aren't talking about investment from an ROI perspective, but vested interest. Someone wouldn't drop a thousand dollars on IAP if they weren't passionate about the game. Your comment about PAD just screams ignorance, especially considering there are pro level players that are F2P. Sorry, but that's as far as I'll take this discussion with you in particular since you don't really know what you're talking about. <cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted [p:891631830] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>Master Kazuya posted...</cite> <quote>I think you're misunderstanding me. I think it's possible for someone on a mobile platform to still be a gamer. I'm saying that I've never seen a self identified "mobile gamer", seen them in the sphere, etc. It just seems to be this other thing that just coexists but hardly intersects with "the rest of us". Pokemon Go was probably the first time it felt like mobile gaming was its own subculture as opposed to subcategory, but even then, that's riding off of Pokemon. I've never heard of anyone speak on how mobile games is a part of their identity or is this huge part of their life. And the times I HAVE heard of any self-investment based on mobile games are purely from a financial investment (read: microtransactions) standpoint, which I refuse to attribute to actual investment, because those things are designed to take money from you. I was invested in certain games enough to go out and buy their OST, or fan-designed posters, or clothing or other merch. It wasn't like those games were engineered to nickle and dime me. I did it because I was a fan, not because I needed to do that to get enjoyment out of the game. Other points to make are, while arcade games also had ways to get quarters out of you (absurd difficulty, randomness, etc), the good thing about that is that those games die out if they're too absurd or not fun. Arcades have a limited space and owners would rather make room for machines that are getting play and sell the machines that aren't. So there's at least some level of regulation. Also, in those games, you got to keep playing if you were good. It doesn't matter how good you are at PAD or Candy Crush or whatever, you're still stuck behind dumbass paywalls and other ethical crap.</quote> It's very clear you don't know enough about mobile games to comment. In your personal experience, you don't know mobile gamers and therefore can't relate to the subject at hand. We aren't talking about investment from an ROI perspective, but vested interest. Someone wouldn't drop a thousand dollars on IAP if they weren't passionate about the game. Your comment about PAD just screams ignorance, especially considering there are pro level players that are F2P. Sorry, but that's as far as I'll take this discussion with you in particular since you don't really know what you're talking about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 12/05/17 11:34:54 AM #209:	stop posting --- Not removing this until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) FantaCE Football Squad: ELIMINATED. <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:891632080] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote>stop posting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 12/05/17 11:36:05 AM #210:	thank goodness runescape mobile is releasing so I can be a true phone gamer --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:891632154] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote>thank goodness runescape mobile is releasing so I can be a true phone gamer</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yoloyoloswagEMP 12/05/17 12:02:06 PM #211:	Muffinz0rz posted... stop posting why <cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted [p:891633471] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>Muffinz0rz posted...</cite> <quote>stop posting</quote> why</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Deedice 12/05/17 12:02:08 PM #212:	Would someone who only plays phone games even care about being called a gamer? If so, why? What benefit even comes with the label? --- Drake the type of dude to gather the Dragon Balls to wish that his ex finds a good man. - KMNL <cite>Deedice posted [p:891633474] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote>Would someone who only plays phone games even care about being called a gamer? If so, why? What benefit even comes with the label?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Kazuya 12/05/17 12:13:58 PM #213:	You've also changed your stance to fit mine so there actually is no need to continue the discussion. For the last time, I'm not saying that it is impossible for someone who plays mobile games to be a gamer. Do you get that? I know you have this agenda that you're sticking to (but failed since you changed from the OP), a podium you want to shout an opinion off of, and there's this imaginary opponent behind my words that you're also debating simultaneously, but I'm not saying people who play mobile games can't be gamers. If people are actually pro at this stuff, that counts to me. I'm saying that generally they aren't gamers. Do you know that generally doesn't imply an extreme? You are really lumping grandma playing Candy Crush and professional, sponsored player as both gamers? Of course you aren't, that'd be absurd. You know what the difference is? Intrinsic investment. Hence, gamer. You agree with me. Dropping out of the argument because I don't know about how deep mobile games can go is a cop out to your overall stance, which you've now changed to fit "these HIGHLY INVESTED (and not by money) mobile game players are, in fact, gamers". Which is true and fits my mold that I originally stated. Before, you were including everyone that has ever played a mobile game in that category. yoloyoloswagEMP posted... Someone wouldn't drop a thousand dollars on IAP if they weren't passionate about the game. You don't understand that just because someone paid money for something doesn't mean the intentions weren't manipulative. Just look at ticket scalping. Both parties get what they want, but the act itself is ethically wrong. Is a drug addict spending something on money he truly wants by his own will, or is there something else going on? If the answer is chemical, what about a gambling addict? That's pure psychological addiction. Are they spending money because they truly want to? Or maybe you think the entire idea of psychological addiction is phony? The point is that these games are designed to do exactly that, so trying to compare dollar amounts to passion doesn't work. There's no way to know if people are spending money because that's literally what the games are designed to do, or if they would've totally spent that money otherwise out of pure fandom, and because you can't tell the difference, I don't count it. --- itt my post is the best <cite>Master Kazuya posted [p:891634076] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote>You've also changed your stance to fit mine so there actually is no need to continue the discussion. For the last time, I'm not saying that it is impossible for someone who plays mobile games to be a gamer. Do you get that? I know you have this agenda that you're sticking to (but failed since you changed from the OP), a podium you want to shout an opinion off of, and there's this imaginary opponent behind my words that you're also debating simultaneously, but I'm not saying people who play mobile games can't be gamers. If people are actually pro at this stuff, that counts to me. I'm saying that generally they aren't gamers. Do you know that generally doesn't imply an extreme? You are really lumping grandma playing Candy Crush and professional, sponsored player as both gamers? Of course you aren't, that'd be absurd. You know what the difference is? Intrinsic investment. Hence, gamer. You agree with me. Dropping out of the argument because I don't know about how deep mobile games can go is a cop out to your overall stance, which you've now changed to fit "these HIGHLY INVESTED (and not by money) mobile game players are, in fact, gamers". Which is true and fits my mold that I originally stated. Before, you were including everyone that has ever played a mobile game in that category. <cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted...</cite> <quote> Someone wouldn't drop a thousand dollars on IAP if they weren't passionate about the game.</quote> You don't understand that just because someone paid money for something doesn't mean the intentions weren't manipulative. Just look at ticket scalping. Both parties get what they want, but the act itself is ethically wrong. Is a drug addict spending something on money he truly wants by his own will, or is there something else going on? If the answer is chemical, what about a gambling addict? That's pure psychological addiction. Are they spending money because they truly want to? Or maybe you think the entire idea of psychological addiction is phony? The point is that these games are designed to do exactly that, so trying to compare dollar amounts to passion doesn't work. There's no way to know if people are spending money because that's literally what the games are designed to do, or if they would've totally spent that money otherwise out of pure fandom, and because you can't tell the difference, I don't count it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 12/05/17 12:15:55 PM #214:	Why the FUCK does no one care what I posted?!! Your worthless shit is overshadowing my contribution! --- The only game reviewers who can be trusted are those who publish in Latin or Swahili. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:891634167] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote>Why the FUCK does no one care what I posted?!! Your worthless shit is overshadowing my contribution!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yoloyoloswagEMP 12/05/17 12:34:21 PM #215:	Master Kazuya posted... You've also changed your stance to fit mine so there actually is no need to continue the discussion. For the last time, I'm not saying that it is impossible for someone who plays mobile games to be a gamer. Do you get that? I know you have this agenda that you're sticking to (but failed since you changed from the OP), a podium you want to shout an opinion off of, and there's this imaginary opponent behind my words that you're also debating simultaneously, but I'm not saying people who play mobile games can't be gamers. If people are actually pro at this stuff, that counts to me. I'm saying that generally they aren't gamers. Do you know that generally doesn't imply an extreme? I really don't know what agenda you're talking about. This is a thread for discussion. Master Kazuya posted... You are really lumping grandma playing Candy Crush and professional, sponsored player as both gamers? Of course you aren't, that'd be absurd. You know what the difference is? Intrinsic investment. Hence, gamer. You agree with me. Dropping out of the argument because I don't know about how deep mobile games can go is a cop out to your overall stance, which you've now changed to fit "these HIGHLY INVESTED (and not by money) mobile game players are, in fact, gamers". Which is true and fits my mold that I originally stated. Before, you were including everyone that has ever played a mobile game in that category. Yes, I would lump them into the same label as gamers. People who play video games are gamers. I haven't strayed from this point whatsoever. <cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted [p:891635142] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>Master Kazuya posted...</cite> <quote>You've also changed your stance to fit mine so there actually is no need to continue the discussion. For the last time, I'm not saying that it is impossible for someone who plays mobile games to be a gamer. Do you get that? I know you have this agenda that you're sticking to (but failed since you changed from the OP), a podium you want to shout an opinion off of, and there's this imaginary opponent behind my words that you're also debating simultaneously, but I'm not saying people who play mobile games can't be gamers. If people are actually pro at this stuff, that counts to me. I'm saying that generally they aren't gamers. Do you know that generally doesn't imply an extreme?</quote> I really don't know what agenda you're talking about. This is a thread for discussion. <cite>Master Kazuya posted...</cite> <quote>You are really lumping grandma playing Candy Crush and professional, sponsored player as both gamers? Of course you aren't, that'd be absurd. You know what the difference is? Intrinsic investment. Hence, gamer. You agree with me. Dropping out of the argument because I don't know about how deep mobile games can go is a cop out to your overall stance, which you've now changed to fit "these HIGHLY INVESTED (and not by money) mobile game players are, in fact, gamers". Which is true and fits my mold that I originally stated. Before, you were including everyone that has ever played a mobile game in that category.</quote> Yes, I would lump them into the same label as gamers. People who play video games are gamers. I haven't strayed from this point whatsoever.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yoloyoloswagEMP 12/05/17 12:35:04 PM #216:	Solid Sonic posted... Why the FUCK does no one care what I posted?!! Your worthless shit is overshadowing my contribution! Because you didn't add anything new to the conversation. <cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted [p:891635177] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>Solid Sonic posted...</cite> <quote>Why the FUCK does no one care what I posted?!! Your worthless shit is overshadowing my contribution!</quote> Because you didn't add anything new to the conversation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cocytus 12/05/17 12:36:15 PM #217:	I don't know about hate, just not very appealing. <cite>Cocytus posted [p:891635242] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote>I don't know about hate, just not very appealing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yoloyoloswagEMP 12/05/17 12:38:18 PM #219:	DuranOfForcena posted... Deedice posted... Would someone who only plays phone games even care about being called a gamer? If so, why? What benefit even comes with the label? they don't care, and that's exactly why they don't call themselves a gamer, and why it's so fucking laughably absurd when other people and even official studies try to group them in with actual gamers, when they don't even identify themselves as a gamer How would a study classify them better in your eyes? <cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted [p:891635345] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Deedice posted...</cite> <quote>Would someone who only plays phone games even care about being called a gamer? If so, why? What benefit even comes with the label?</quote> they don't care, and that's exactly why they don't call themselves a gamer, and why it's so fucking laughably absurd when other people and even official studies try to group them in with actual gamers, when they don't even identify themselves as a gamer</quote> How would a study classify them better in your eyes?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yoloyoloswagEMP 12/05/17 12:39:41 PM #221:	DuranOfForcena posted... yoloyoloswagEMP posted... How would a study classify them better in your eyes? they should be omitted entirely from studies claiming to be about gamers What if it's a study on mobile games? What should they call them? <cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted [p:891635416] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted...</cite> <quote>How would a study classify them better in your eyes?</quote> they should be omitted entirely from studies claiming to be about gamers</quote> What if it's a study on mobile games? What should they call them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yoloyoloswagEMP 12/05/17 12:46:47 PM #223:	DuranOfForcena posted... yoloyoloswagEMP posted... DuranOfForcena posted... yoloyoloswagEMP posted... How would a study classify them better in your eyes? they should be omitted entirely from studies claiming to be about gamers What if it's a study on mobile games? What should they call them? they can call them whatever they want as long as they don't group them in with actual gamers. besides that, i couldn't give a fuck what something as useless as a study about mobile gaming does. "actual gamers" Good one. No wonder people write off gamers as unreasonable manchildren. <cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted [p:891635797] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted...</cite> <quote>How would a study classify them better in your eyes?</quote> they should be omitted entirely from studies claiming to be about gamers</quote> What if it's a study on mobile games? What should they call them?</quote> they can call them whatever they want as long as they don't group them in with actual gamers. besides that, i couldn't give a fuck what something as useless as a study about mobile gaming does.</quote> "actual gamers" Good one. No wonder people write off gamers as unreasonable manchildren.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yoloyoloswagEMP 12/05/17 12:51:43 PM #227:	DuranOfForcena posted... yoloyoloswagEMP posted... No wonder people write off gamers as unreasonable manchildren. the only people who are unreasonable are the people who try to force the "gamer" label on people who would never ever in a million years consider themselves gamers You don't like mobile games, I understand that. What I don't understand is why you're so upset by these people being put into the same label as you, an "actual gamer". <cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted [p:891636066] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted...</cite> <quote>No wonder people write off gamers as unreasonable manchildren.</quote> the only people who are unreasonable are the people who try to force the "gamer" label on people who would never ever in a million years consider themselves gamers</quote> You don't like mobile games, I understand that. What I don't understand is why you're so upset by these people being put into the same label as you, an "actual gamer".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master Kazuya 12/05/17 12:51:50 PM #228:	yoloyoloswagEMP posted... Yes, I would lump them into the same label as gamers. People who play video games are gamers. I haven't strayed from this point whatsoever. Okay, well then I guess you wasted both your and my contributions to the discussion lol. You had no reason to stray into "pro mobile gamer" territory otherwise, because from my first post, I never said that those guys werent gamers lol. My first post was the most succinct version of my point, so if you truly still feel that anyone who plays games is a gamer, you should've never tried to engage in that. In other words, there was no point in you trying to reason with me when you fundamentally disagree altogether, because you didn't convince me of anything and I didn't convince you of anything. Master Kazuya posted... 1. Mobile games have nefarious gambling/addiction tactics that are not only annoying on their own, but have made their way into non-mobile games. And it's not like, only the worst mobile games do this. This is the standard. If you've played games without popups, advertisements, time-locked content, in game popups for money, etc, why would you appreciate games with those? 2. Whether you accept it or not, video games have a subculture tied to them. You might think "gamer" means "someone who plays video games" but it can also mean "someone with personal investment into the gaming-sphere", and generally people who play only mobile games have little to no investment into the culture, and people don't like being grouped with that. Some people consider video games as a big contribution to their identity, hence 'gamer'. If it was simply the act of playing a game and enjoying it, then literally everyone is a gamer which makes the term meaningless. That's like saying everyone who has ever told a joke is a comedian. Or like watching one of the newer Star Trek films and saying you're a Trekkie. --- itt my post is the best <cite>Master Kazuya posted [p:891636072] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted...</cite> <quote>Yes, I would lump them into the same label as gamers. People who play video games are gamers. I haven't strayed from this point whatsoever.</quote> Okay, well then I guess you wasted both your and my contributions to the discussion lol. You had no reason to stray into "pro mobile gamer" territory otherwise, because from my first post, I never said that those guys werent gamers lol. My first post was the most succinct version of my point, so if you truly still feel that anyone who plays games is a gamer, you should've never tried to engage in that. In other words, there was no point in you trying to reason with me when you fundamentally disagree altogether, because you didn't convince me of anything and I didn't convince you of anything. <cite>Master Kazuya posted...</cite> <quote>1. Mobile games have nefarious gambling/addiction tactics that are not only annoying on their own, but have made their way into non-mobile games. And it's not like, only the worst mobile games do this. This is the standard. If you've played games without popups, advertisements, time-locked content, in game popups for money, etc, why would you appreciate games with those? 2. Whether you accept it or not, video games have a subculture tied to them. You might think "gamer" means "someone who plays video games" but it can also mean "someone with personal investment into the gaming-sphere", and generally people who play only mobile games have little to no investment into the culture, and people don't like being grouped with that. Some people consider video games as a big contribution to their identity, hence 'gamer'. If it was simply the act of playing a game and enjoying it, then literally everyone is a gamer which makes the term meaningless. That's like saying everyone who has ever told a joke is a comedian. Or like watching one of the newer Star Trek films and saying you're a Trekkie.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yoloyoloswagEMP 12/05/17 12:53:23 PM #229:	Why can't you be a Trekkie if you only like the new material? It just further adds to the unnecessary gatekeeping like not considering people who play mobile games gamers. It's completely asinine. <cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted [p:891636150] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote>Why can't you be a Trekkie if you only like the new material? It just further adds to the unnecessary gatekeeping like not considering people who play mobile games gamers. It's completely asinine.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yoloyoloswagEMP 12/05/17 12:54:25 PM #231:	Master Kazuya posted... Okay, well then I guess you wasted both your and my contributions to the discussion lol. You had no reason to stray into "pro mobile gamer" territory otherwise, because from my first post, I never said that those guys werent gamers lol. My first post was the most succinct version of my point, so if you truly still feel that anyone who plays games is a gamer, you should've never tried to engage in that. In other words, there was no point in you trying to reason with me when you fundamentally disagree altogether, because you didn't convince me of anything and I didn't convince you of anything. I only brought it up to show that within the realm of mobile gaming, there are different types of gamers just like on console or PC. There are casual gamers, competitive gamers who follow the meta and also professionals. <cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted [p:891636205] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>Master Kazuya posted...</cite> <quote>Okay, well then I guess you wasted both your and my contributions to the discussion lol. You had no reason to stray into "pro mobile gamer" territory otherwise, because from my first post, I never said that those guys werent gamers lol. My first post was the most succinct version of my point, so if you truly still feel that anyone who plays games is a gamer, you should've never tried to engage in that. In other words, there was no point in you trying to reason with me when you fundamentally disagree altogether, because you didn't convince me of anything and I didn't convince you of anything.</quote> I only brought it up to show that within the realm of mobile gaming, there are different types of gamers just like on console or PC. There are casual gamers, competitive gamers who follow the meta and also professionals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yoloyoloswagEMP 12/05/17 12:54:55 PM #232:	DuranOfForcena posted... yoloyoloswagEMP posted... What I don't understand is why you're so upset by these people being put into the same label as you, an "actual gamer". because it's disingenuous and unrepresentative of what a gamer is, and because these people themselves don't and won't ever label themselves as gamers, so there is no reason to force that label on them And what if they do consider themselves gamers? Are you going to deny them that? <cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted [p:891636233] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted...</cite> <quote>What I don't understand is why you're so upset by these people being put into the same label as you, an "actual gamer".</quote> because it's disingenuous and unrepresentative of what a gamer is, and because these people themselves don't and won't ever label themselves as gamers, so there is no reason to force that label on them</quote> And what if they do consider themselves gamers? Are you going to deny them that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yoloyoloswagEMP 12/05/17 12:55:59 PM #234:	DuranOfForcena posted... yoloyoloswagEMP posted... And what if they do consider themselves gamers? Are you going to deny them that? yes, and i would laugh in their face as i am doing it Okay cool. Get out of the discussion then since you're clearly not mature enough for it. <cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted [p:891636297] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted...</cite> <quote>And what if they do consider themselves gamers? Are you going to deny them that?</quote> yes, and i would laugh in their face as i am doing it</quote> Okay cool. Get out of the discussion then since you're clearly not mature enough for it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChromaticAngel 12/05/17 12:57:16 PM #236:	DuranOfForcena posted... yoloyoloswagEMP posted... What I don't understand is why you're so upset by these people being put into the same label as you, an "actual gamer". because it's disingenuous and unrepresentative of what a gamer is, and because these people themselves don't and won't ever label themselves as gamers, so there is no reason to force that label on them This is like saying water Polo athletes aren't athletes because including them in a study of athletes misrepresents that most athletes play sports on land. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:891636364] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted...</cite> <quote>What I don't understand is why you're so upset by these people being put into the same label as you, an "actual gamer".</quote> because it's disingenuous and unrepresentative of what a gamer is, and because these people themselves don't and won't ever label themselves as gamers, so there is no reason to force that label on them</quote> This is like saying water Polo athletes aren't athletes because including them in a study of athletes misrepresents that most athletes play sports on land.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Master Kazuya 12/05/17 12:58:02 PM #238:	yoloyoloswagEMP posted... It just further adds to the unnecessary gatekeeping like not considering people who play mobile games gamers. Who exactly are you talking to? I know it can't be me, because if you have any capable of discussion, you'd know that I don't feel this way. --- itt my post is the best <cite>Master Kazuya posted [p:891636421] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted...</cite> <quote>It just further adds to the unnecessary gatekeeping like not considering people who play mobile games gamers. </quote> Who exactly are you talking to? I know it can't be me, because if you have any capable of discussion, you'd know that I don't feel this way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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yoloyoloswagEMP 12/05/17 12:58:17 PM #240:	DuranOfForcena posted... yoloyoloswagEMP posted... DuranOfForcena posted... yoloyoloswagEMP posted... And what if they do consider themselves gamers? Are you going to deny them that? yes, and i would laugh in their face as i am doing it Okay cool. Get out of the discussion then since you're clearly not mature enough for it. lol fuckin make me get out you jackass this wasn't a mature discussion to begin with I'll just ignore you going forward. Keep on posting if you want to bump the topic for me though. <cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted [p:891636434] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted...</cite> <quote>And what if they do consider themselves gamers? Are you going to deny them that?</quote> yes, and i would laugh in their face as i am doing it</quote> Okay cool. Get out of the discussion then since you're clearly not mature enough for it.</quote> lol fuckin make me get out you jackass this wasn't a mature discussion to begin with</quote> I'll just ignore you going forward. Keep on posting if you want to bump the topic for me though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Deedice 12/05/17 1:25:56 PM #241:	ChromaticAngel posted... DuranOfForcena posted... yoloyoloswagEMP posted... What I don't understand is why you're so upset by these people being put into the same label as you, an "actual gamer". because it's disingenuous and unrepresentative of what a gamer is, and because these people themselves don't and won't ever label themselves as gamers, so there is no reason to force that label on them This is like saying water Polo athletes aren't athletes because including them in a study of athletes misrepresents that most athletes play sports on land. This is a super inept analogy. Something more fitting would be like calling everyone who has ever walked an athlete because power walking for exercise is a thing and they walked before. --- Drake the type of dude to gather the Dragon Balls to wish that his ex finds a good man. - KMNL <cite>Deedice posted [p:891638027] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DuranOfForcena posted...</cite> <quote><cite>yoloyoloswagEMP posted...</cite> <quote>What I don't understand is why you're so upset by these people being put into the same label as you, an "actual gamer".</quote> because it's disingenuous and unrepresentative of what a gamer is, and because these people themselves don't and won't ever label themselves as gamers, so there is no reason to force that label on them</quote> This is like saying water Polo athletes aren't athletes because including them in a study of athletes misrepresents that most athletes play sports on land.</quote> This is a super inept analogy. Something more fitting would be like calling everyone who has ever walked an athlete because power walking for exercise is a thing and they walked before.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lesidesi 12/05/17 1:32:13 PM #242:	gamers more like lamers <cite>lesidesi posted [p:891638404] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote>gamers more like lamers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 12/05/17 1:32:34 PM #243:	Deedice posted... This is a super inept analogy. Something more fitting would be like calling everyone who has ever walked an athlete because power walking for exercise is a thing and they walked before. exercise =/= what makes an athelete. Sports are competitive and an athlete is a competitor in sports. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:891638433] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>Deedice posted...</cite> <quote>This is a super inept analogy. Something more fitting would be like calling everyone who has ever walked an athlete because power walking for exercise is a thing and they walked before.</quote> exercise =/= what makes an athelete. Sports are competitive and an athlete is a competitor in sports.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fusespliff 12/05/17 2:11:47 PM #244:	ChromaticAngel posted... Deedice posted... This is a super inept analogy. Something more fitting would be like calling everyone who has ever walked an athlete because power walking for exercise is a thing and they walked before. exercise =/= what makes an athelete. Sports are competitive and an athlete is a competitor in sports. So someone who snowboards daily and pulls insane tricks isn't an athlete if they're not competing... --- ... <cite>fusespliff posted [p:891640824] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Deedice posted...</cite> <quote>This is a super inept analogy. Something more fitting would be like calling everyone who has ever walked an athlete because power walking for exercise is a thing and they walked before.</quote> exercise =/= what makes an athelete. Sports are competitive and an athlete is a competitor in sports.</quote> So someone who snowboards daily and pulls insane tricks isn't an athlete if they're not competing...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 12/05/17 2:25:44 PM #245:	fusespliff posted... ChromaticAngel posted... Deedice posted... This is a super inept analogy. Something more fitting would be like calling everyone who has ever walked an athlete because power walking for exercise is a thing and they walked before. exercise =/= what makes an athelete. Sports are competitive and an athlete is a competitor in sports. So someone who snowboards daily and pulls insane tricks isn't an athlete if they're not competing... Someone who snowboards + insane tricks daily isn't going to not compete even if it's just a friendly thing or timing themselves to beat their own records. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:891641601] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>fusespliff posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Deedice posted...</cite> <quote>This is a super inept analogy. Something more fitting would be like calling everyone who has ever walked an athlete because power walking for exercise is a thing and they walked before.</quote> exercise =/= what makes an athelete. Sports are competitive and an athlete is a competitor in sports.</quote> So someone who snowboards daily and pulls insane tricks isn't an athlete if they're not competing...</quote> Someone who snowboards + insane tricks daily isn't going to not compete even if it's just a friendly thing or timing themselves to beat their own records.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fusespliff 12/05/17 2:32:23 PM #246:	ChromaticAngel posted... fusespliff posted... ChromaticAngel posted... Deedice posted... This is a super inept analogy. Something more fitting would be like calling everyone who has ever walked an athlete because power walking for exercise is a thing and they walked before. exercise =/= what makes an athelete. Sports are competitive and an athlete is a competitor in sports. So someone who snowboards daily and pulls insane tricks isn't an athlete if they're not competing... Someone who snowboards + insane tricks daily isn't going to not compete even if it's just a friendly thing or timing themselves to beat their own records. And those power walkers don't compete in the same way you just described? Or someone hitting the gym regularly? But the kids playing football on farmer Joe's land are? --- ... <cite>fusespliff posted [p:891641966] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fusespliff posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Deedice posted...</cite> <quote>This is a super inept analogy. Something more fitting would be like calling everyone who has ever walked an athlete because power walking for exercise is a thing and they walked before.</quote> exercise =/= what makes an athelete. Sports are competitive and an athlete is a competitor in sports.</quote> So someone who snowboards daily and pulls insane tricks isn't an athlete if they're not competing...</quote> Someone who snowboards + insane tricks daily isn't going to not compete even if it's just a friendly thing or timing themselves to beat their own records.</quote> And those power walkers don't compete in the same way you just described? Or someone hitting the gym regularly? But the kids playing football on farmer Joe's land are?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 12/05/17 2:39:53 PM #247:	fusespliff posted... And those power walkers don't compete in the same way you just described? Power Walkers who compete are athletes, what's so hard to understand about that? --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:891642346] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>fusespliff posted...</cite> <quote>And those power walkers don't compete in the same way you just described?</quote> Power Walkers who compete are athletes, what's so hard to understand about that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fusespliff 12/05/17 2:47:42 PM #248:	ChromaticAngel posted... fusespliff posted... And those power walkers don't compete in the same way you just described? Power Walkers who compete are athletes, what's so hard to understand about that? Someone who power walks for exercise still tries to beat their records and such to check on their progress. Notice the "in the same way you just described" qualifier? Feels like it's hard for you to admit that you made a poor argument. --- ... <cite>fusespliff posted [p:891642773] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fusespliff posted...</cite> <quote>And those power walkers don't compete in the same way you just described?</quote> Power Walkers who compete are athletes, what's so hard to understand about that?</quote> Someone who power walks for exercise still tries to beat their records and such to check on their progress. Notice the "in the same way you just described" qualifier? Feels like it's hard for you to admit that you made a poor argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 12/05/17 2:56:51 PM #249:	fusespliff posted... ChromaticAngel posted... fusespliff posted... And those power walkers don't compete in the same way you just described? Power Walkers who compete are athletes, what's so hard to understand about that? Someone who power walks for exercise still tries to beat their records and such to check on their progress. Notice the "in the same way you just described" qualifier? Feels like it's hard for you to admit that you made a poor argument. Yes, those are athletes. Someone who only walks to and from Taco Bell is not just because some other guy who walks is. Like, I don't get what's so hard to understand. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:891643263] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>fusespliff posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fusespliff posted...</cite> <quote>And those power walkers don't compete in the same way you just described?</quote> Power Walkers who compete are athletes, what's so hard to understand about that?</quote> Someone who power walks for exercise still tries to beat their records and such to check on their progress. Notice the "in the same way you just described" qualifier? Feels like it's hard for you to admit that you made a poor argument.</quote> Yes, those are athletes. Someone who only walks to and from Taco Bell is not just because some other guy who walks is. Like, I don't get what's so hard to understand.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fusespliff 12/05/17 3:03:09 PM #250:	ChromaticAngel posted... fusespliff posted... ChromaticAngel posted... fusespliff posted... And those power walkers don't compete in the same way you just described? Power Walkers who compete are athletes, what's so hard to understand about that? Someone who power walks for exercise still tries to beat their records and such to check on their progress. Notice the "in the same way you just described" qualifier? Feels like it's hard for you to admit that you made a poor argument. Yes, those are athletes. Someone who only walks to and from Taco Bell is not just because some other guy who walks is. Like, I don't get what's so hard to understand. Nvm, our previous interaction in this topic should've taught me how dense you are. Where we are now is entirely my fault. --- ... <cite>fusespliff posted [p:891643657] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fusespliff posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChromaticAngel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fusespliff posted...</cite> <quote>And those power walkers don't compete in the same way you just described?</quote> Power Walkers who compete are athletes, what's so hard to understand about that?</quote> Someone who power walks for exercise still tries to beat their records and such to check on their progress. Notice the "in the same way you just described" qualifier? Feels like it's hard for you to admit that you made a poor argument.</quote> Yes, those are athletes. Someone who only walks to and from Taco Bell is not just because some other guy who walks is. Like, I don't get what's so hard to understand.</quote> Nvm, our previous interaction in this topic should've taught me how dense you are. Where we are now is entirely my fault.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FL81 12/05/17 3:22:43 PM #251:	Because mobile gaming is more akin to a Skinner box where you dump money in for instant gratification, rather than an actual game that requires time, effort, and skill. --- https://i.imgtc.com/C6jP02v.jpg https://i.imgtc.com/UAGNJFv.gif https://i.imgtc.com/cBTnWgf.png https://i.imgtc.com/wdjM3F8.png <cite>FL81 posted [p:891644759] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote>Because mobile gaming is more akin to a Skinner box where you dump money in for instant gratification, rather than an actual game that requires time, effort, and skill.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 12/05/17 3:24:41 PM #252:	FL81 posted... Because mobile gaming is more akin to a Skinner box where you dump money in for instant gratification, rather than an actual game that requires time, effort, and skill. So Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance is a skinnerbox? --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:891644856] in Why do &qu... [t:76060346]...</cite> <quote><cite>FL81 posted...</cite> <quote>Because mobile gaming is more akin to a Skinner box where you dump money in for instant gratification, rather than an actual game that requires time, effort, and skill.</quote> So Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance is a skinnerbox?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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