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fan357
12/02/17 9:14:38 PM
#51:


pegusus123456 posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Ultron was ultimately Stark's fault

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LightHawKnight
12/02/17 9:15:23 PM
#52:


Humanity is generally really really stupid and like to blame the easiest thing they can find for their problems. Of course they would instantly target the avengers instead of threats that they can't handle. Just like in One Punch man, The citizens blamed Saitama for destroying their homes cause he shattered the massive asteroid that was about to land on them. If the citizens actually thought about it, and Saitama didn't break the asteroid, it would have just killed them all.
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Xelltrix
12/02/17 9:18:29 PM
#53:


fusespliff posted...

There are definitely civilians around during that fight. Sure about that


Just rewatched the clip, yeah there were definitely civilians. I feel like I remember the fact no one died though. They made a point of talking about Tony paying to rebuild the building but nothing about people dying.
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TheCyborgNinja
12/02/17 9:20:50 PM
#54:


The MCU civil war is a dumpster fire fueled by dog shit. Thats why (insert complaint here) is a thing.
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Xelltrix
12/02/17 9:21:22 PM
#55:


TheCyborgNinja posted...
The MCU civil war is a dumpster fire fueled by dog shit. Thats why (insert complaint here) is a thing.


Um, wrong.
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Muffinz0rz
12/02/17 9:26:09 PM
#56:


fusespliff posted...
I could also argue that Hulk wouldn't be tearing up cities if it wasn't for the Avengers (well Fury & Widow) as Bruce purposefully stayed away from heavily populated areas after Harlem. Also the reason why he bailed again at the end of AoU.

True, I forgot about how the beginning of Avengers, he was out fixing cleft palates or some shit before Black Widow tracked him down. He seemed fine.

TheCyborgNinja posted...
The MCU civil war is a dumpster fire fueled by dog shit. Thats why (insert complaint here) is a thing.

Imagine actually thinking this
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prince_leo
12/02/17 9:37:20 PM
#57:


also, Banner was on the run from the military anyway until he joined the Avengers.
it's like Ross said in the movie on asking where Thor and Hulk are: if he lost a couple nukes then he'd be in deep shit
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Xelltrix
12/02/17 9:51:44 PM
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I always thought the Thor part was funny since he's literally an alien and they have no jurisdiction over him at all. I suppose they could demand he stop interfering in general which I guess he would agree to, but it's laughable to think he'd ever agree to be controlled by the government of a planet he doesn't even live on.
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prince_leo
12/02/17 9:55:16 PM
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yeah, can you imagine he comes back and is told that he can't do anything about Thanos cause the UN wants to gauge the threat? just lol
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OctilIery
12/02/17 9:57:43 PM
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Avengers 1 was Shields fault. Tony was partly to blame for Ultton, but not really, he was just investigating and Ultron created himself.

In the comics, both Ultton and Civil War and much better moral issues set up. At least the registration program in Civil War made sense.
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LightHawKnight
12/02/17 10:05:23 PM
#61:


OctilIery posted...
Avengers 1 was Shields fault. Tony was partly to blame for Ultton, but not really, he was just investigating and Ultron created himself.

In the comics, both Ultton and Civil War and much better moral issues set up. At least the registration program in Civil War made sense.


Eh, Tony pretty much made Ultron, though I blame it on Scarlet Witch the most, if she didn't mind rape him into seeing all his friends dead, he would have never tried making Ultron.
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Muffinz0rz
12/02/17 10:07:38 PM
#62:


Xelltrix posted...
I always thought the Thor part was funny since he's literally an alien and they have no jurisdiction over him at all. I suppose they could demand he stop interfering in general which I guess he would agree to, but it's laughable to think he'd ever agree to be controlled by the government of a planet he doesn't even live on.

Yeah that is amusing.

Plus it's not really fair to compare the two since one is a literal god and the other has very little control over whether he decides to fucking rampage or not.

LightHawKnight posted...
I blame it on Scarlet Witch the most, if she didn't mind rape him into seeing all his friends dead, he would have never tried making Ultron.

Good point

She wasn't an avenger at the time either, so you can't really say it was the avengers' fault
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Xelltrix
12/02/17 10:30:29 PM
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Yeah, I commented about that as well. We could technically blame Hydra for all of that, I don't think Wanda ever even fessed up to doing that to Tony in the first place. Ultimately he still chose to do it, but it was mind rape, I don't know how much blame you can take away from him for that but we should be able to take away at least a bit of it.
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SlashmanSG
12/02/17 10:31:44 PM
#64:


OctilIery posted...
he was just investigating and Ultron created himself.

OctilIery posted...
In the comics, both Ultton and Civil War

Say it with me. U L T R O N
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ChromaticAngel
12/02/17 10:33:50 PM
#65:


Muffinz0rz posted...
Like fuck dude, if we don't stop Ultron then the whole world explodes, not just a few thousand in Sokovia (which, yes, Ultron was ultimately Stark's fault from the beginning, but still).

But in Avengers 1? Nope, Loki takes over the world and everyone dies. Avengers stop that, and yeah people died and NY got shit on, but they still saved the world.

What up


Probably the same reason people shit on Superman because a couple skyscrapers got knocked down in Metropolis instead of turning the entire planet into a Kryptonian Civilization built on a graveyard of humans.
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iPhone_7
12/02/17 10:44:28 PM
#66:


Civil War was such a good movie but I couldnt help but laugh at them being threatened by the U.N. and the U.S. military being bummed out and helpless in the matter.
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OctilIery
12/02/17 11:54:44 PM
#67:


LightHawKnight posted...
OctilIery posted...
Avengers 1 was Shields fault. Tony was partly to blame for Ultton, but not really, he was just investigating and Ultron created himself.

In the comics, both Ultton and Civil War and much better moral issues set up. At least the registration program in Civil War made sense.


Eh, Tony pretty much made Ultron, though I blame it on Scarlet Witch the most, if she didn't mind rape him into seeing all his friends dead, he would have never tried making Ultron.

He literally didn't. He did no work on the AI. He left the tests running and went to a party, then Ultron activated and made himself out of the bots.
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LightHawKnight
12/02/17 11:56:38 PM
#68:


OctilIery posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
OctilIery posted...
Avengers 1 was Shields fault. Tony was partly to blame for Ultton, but not really, he was just investigating and Ultron created himself.

In the comics, both Ultton and Civil War and much better moral issues set up. At least the registration program in Civil War made sense.


Eh, Tony pretty much made Ultron, though I blame it on Scarlet Witch the most, if she didn't mind rape him into seeing all his friends dead, he would have never tried making Ultron.

He literally didn't. He did no work on the AI. He left the tests running and went to a party, then Ultron activated and made himself out of the bots.


He literally did. He was working on that AI for the explicit purpose of protecting the world so his friends wont die.
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Xelltrix
12/03/17 12:15:55 AM
#69:


OctilIery posted...
He literally didn't. He did no work on the AI. He left the tests running and went to a party, then Ultron activated and made himself out of the bots.


Pretty sure they showed him constructing the AI that became Ultron.
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Dash_Harber
12/03/17 12:28:25 AM
#70:


SlashmanSG posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
Dash_Harber posted...
Even if we accept that argument, shouldn't Stark be the only one getting shit on? It's not like it was a committee decision.

They don't know that.

The people critical of the Avengers on these forums don't know that?

The general public in the MCU doesn't know that.

In which case they wouldn't know the Avengers caused it in the first place.
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Xelltrix
12/03/17 12:38:11 AM
#71:


The public knows the Avengers were there since they don't exactly hide their involvement. Pretty easy step from there to blame their problems on their protectors.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ComplainingAboutRescuesTheyDontLike

Basically.
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Dash_Harber
12/03/17 12:39:46 AM
#72:


Xelltrix posted...
The public knows the Avengers were there since they don't exactly hide their involvement. Pretty easy step from there to blame their problems on their protectors.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ComplainingAboutRescuesTheyDontLike

Basically.


Yes, but the defense was that they blame the Avengers because it's technically their fault that it happened (well, one of their members). However, if that is the case, they'd also know it was only Tony, which they don't. Therefore they don't know it was the Avengers that called it, and they are, in fact, pretty stupid for blaming the Avengers given their limited knowledge.
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OctilIery
12/03/17 12:49:24 AM
#73:


LightHawKnight posted...
OctilIery posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
OctilIery posted...
Avengers 1 was Shields fault. Tony was partly to blame for Ultton, but not really, he was just investigating and Ultron created himself.

In the comics, both Ultton and Civil War and much better moral issues set up. At least the registration program in Civil War made sense.


Eh, Tony pretty much made Ultron, though I blame it on Scarlet Witch the most, if she didn't mind rape him into seeing all his friends dead, he would have never tried making Ultron.

He literally didn't. He did no work on the AI. He left the tests running and went to a party, then Ultron activated and made himself out of the bots.


He literally did. He was working on that AI for the explicit purpose of protecting the world so his friends wont die.

He had the plan, but he never started any work in it. At that point it was only experimenting.
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OctilIery
12/03/17 12:50:22 AM
#74:


Xelltrix posted...
OctilIery posted...
He literally didn't. He did no work on the AI. He left the tests running and went to a party, then Ultron activated and made himself out of the bots.


Pretty sure they showed him constructing the AI that became Ultron.

They didn't considering it came from the staff, not Tony.
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LightHawKnight
12/03/17 1:28:36 AM
#75:


OctilIery posted...
Xelltrix posted...
OctilIery posted...
He literally didn't. He did no work on the AI. He left the tests running and went to a party, then Ultron activated and made himself out of the bots.


Pretty sure they showed him constructing the AI that became Ultron.

They didn't considering it came from the staff, not Tony.


The staff only gave sentience to whatever AI Tony was using, he made Ultron the way he is. The staff only gave him sentience. Which is why Vision is so good. He is based on Jarvis.
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pegusus123456
12/03/17 4:05:32 AM
#76:


Civil War really should have utilized Agents of SHIELD because it had the perfect setup for why people would want to draw up those Accords. An accidental release of Terrigen crystals in the ocean contaminated the world's fish supply, giving people all over the world superpowers.
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