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nicklebro
12/02/17 8:40:30 AM
#101:


UncleBourbon33 posted...
nicklebro posted...
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Thats the definition of unborn child thats used (and supported by liberals) in cases where a pregnant woman is murdered, or if shes assaulted and that results in a miscarriage. This is not as controversial as youd like it to be.

Indeed, from what I understand it is fake news. Tho can't blame us for having suspicious hippo eyes with how religious nuts seem to slip anti abortion nonsense into legislation.

It's not nonsense.

It's nonsensical to me.
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hollow_shrine
12/02/17 8:40:33 AM
#102:


UncleBourbon33 posted...
It's not nonsense.

It is. From the perspective of most secular philosophies upholding personal agency as a virtue, anti-abortion legislation is none of the state's business. And from a results perspective increasing access to abortion is good for society, enduring fewer children are born to people who shouldn't have them. And putting less of a strain on society to fix the mistakes of accidental parents.
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Doom_Art
12/02/17 8:41:09 AM
#103:


OpheliaAdenade posted...
UncleBourbon33 posted...
It's not nonsense.


To everyone who isn't a religious loony it is. :v We know what side of the camp you're on though Bourbon.


It's astounding how many non-religious people in the alt-right you find spewing evangelical garbage these days.
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Dat_Cracka_Jax
12/02/17 8:41:42 AM
#104:


NY times article says 84% of people in my range can expect a cut.
Thanks Trump! What are people pissed about in here?
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OpheliaAdenade
12/02/17 8:43:20 AM
#105:


Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
NY times article says 84% of people in my range can expect a cut.
Thanks Trump! What are people pissed about in here?


the fact that in 10 years all the tax cuts go away and you end up worse off than you were before. :v but hey, who cares about that? You can use your extra refund to help you buy a four wheeler or something!
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UncleBourbon33
12/02/17 8:44:00 AM
#106:


hollow_shrine posted...
UncleBourbon33 posted...
It's not nonsense.

It is. From the perspective of most secular philosophies upholding personal agency as a virtue, anti-abortion legislation is none of the state's business. And from a results perspective increasing access to abortion is good for society, enduring fewer children are born to people who shouldn't have them. And putting less of a strain on society to fix the mistakes of accidental parents.

Does the unborn not have personal agency?

You don't have to be religious to see that abortion is wrong. It's murder.
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QassTank
12/02/17 8:44:12 AM
#107:


Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
NY times article says 84% of people in my range can expect a cut.
Thanks Trump! What are people pissed about in here?

Because someone making more money than them will get more benefit from a tax cut.

That is how tax cuts generally work though. Even if the cut is a straight equal percentage (which it won't be), people bitch about the dollar amount that people save. [They really bitch about dollar amounts when the percentage for the rich is the smallest cut because otherwise they have no argument.]

OpheliaAdenade posted...
Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
NY times article says 84% of people in my range can expect a cut.
Thanks Trump! What are people pissed about in here?


the fact that in 10 years all the tax cuts go away and you end up worse off than you were before. :v but hey, who cares about that? You can use your extra refund to help you buy a four wheeler or something!


That is how every tax cut I can remember has functioned. And guess what, it didn't devastate America, but led to economic growth.

Cut it with your disingenuous bullshit.
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Doom_Art
12/02/17 8:44:27 AM
#108:


OpheliaAdenade posted...
Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
NY times article says 84% of people in my range can expect a cut.
Thanks Trump! What are people pissed about in here?


the fact that in 10 years all the tax cuts go away and you end up worse off than you were before. :v but hey, who cares about that? You can use your extra refund to help you buy a four wheeler or something!

There'll be a Democrat in office in 10 years. That's their problem shhhh
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John_Galt
12/02/17 8:44:57 AM
#109:


Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
NY times article says 84% of people in my range can expect a cut.
Thanks Trump! What are people pissed about in here?

Don't you know, taxes are never allowed to go down. They must always go up and be more of a burden to the people paying them
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nicklebro
12/02/17 8:45:31 AM
#110:


UncleBourbon33 posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
UncleBourbon33 posted...
It's not nonsense.

It is. From the perspective of most secular philosophies upholding personal agency as a virtue, anti-abortion legislation is none of the state's business. And from a results perspective increasing access to abortion is good for society, enduring fewer children are born to people who shouldn't have them. And putting less of a strain on society to fix the mistakes of accidental parents.

Does the unborn not have personal agency?

Did you even read his post? It's none of the states business. That's the question. Is abortion wrong? Let's say it is, should we make everything wrong illegal?
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UncleBourbon33
12/02/17 8:46:14 AM
#111:


nicklebro posted...
UncleBourbon33 posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
UncleBourbon33 posted...
It's not nonsense.

It is. From the perspective of most secular philosophies upholding personal agency as a virtue, anti-abortion legislation is none of the state's business. And from a results perspective increasing access to abortion is good for society, enduring fewer children are born to people who shouldn't have them. And putting less of a strain on society to fix the mistakes of accidental parents.

Does the unborn not have personal agency?

Did you even read his post? It's none of the states business. That's the question. Is abortion wrong? Let's say it is, should we make everything wrong illegal?

Murder is the state's business.
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DezCaughtIt
12/02/17 8:46:15 AM
#112:


Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
NY times article says 84% of people in my range can expect a cut.
Thanks Trump! What are people pissed about in here?

"These cuts pay for themselves!"

Raises the debt ceiling by $1 trillion while only generating $500 billion in revenue

*Tax Cuts Do Not Pay For Themselves*

Grad students like myself just got blasted.
Your taxes in the long run WILL go up.
Huge breaks for corporations and the top 1%, and we all know trickle down economics doesn't work.

Once again under republican leadership the lower middle class will be left holding the bag.

Not to mention the repeal of the individual mandate that's going to shoot premiums up and 13 million people will effectively lose their insurance.
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Coffeebeanz
12/02/17 8:46:25 AM
#113:


QaKMFR2

Nuff said.
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OpheliaAdenade
12/02/17 8:46:30 AM
#114:


UncleBourbon33 posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
UncleBourbon33 posted...
It's not nonsense.

It is. From the perspective of most secular philosophies upholding personal agency as a virtue, anti-abortion legislation is none of the state's business. And from a results perspective increasing access to abortion is good for society, enduring fewer children are born to people who shouldn't have them. And putting less of a strain on society to fix the mistakes of accidental parents.

Does the unborn not have personal agency?

You don't have to be religious to see that abortion is wrong. It's murder.


If you don't have to be religious to see that abortion is wrong, then why is it that most of you pro-life people happen to be crazy evangelicals?
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nicklebro
12/02/17 8:48:05 AM
#115:


Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
NY times article says 84% of people in my range can expect a cut.
Thanks Trump! What are people pissed about in here?

Can you link to that article or give me the name to it? I wanna see where I'll end up. Idk if this reform is good or not, seeing as noone has had any time to read it, but that and getting rid of the individual mandate are the things I think are dumb.
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The Admiral
12/02/17 8:48:19 AM
#116:


John_Galt posted...
Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
NY times article says 84% of people in my range can expect a cut.
Thanks Trump! What are people pissed about in here?

Don't you know, taxes are never allowed to go down. They must always go up and be more of a burden to the people paying them


Well come on, we know politicians have a great history of spending excess tax revenue wisely when they have the chance. They never use if for earmarking special interest projects for their voters, or from promising ridiculous benefits to unions in exchange for votes. Theyre much better at managing money than the more successful people who actually earned it.
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UncleBourbon33
12/02/17 8:48:25 AM
#117:


Pretty soon you'll be called a crazy evangelical for opposing euthanasia. Sad.
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OpheliaAdenade
12/02/17 8:49:06 AM
#118:


QassTank posted...


That is how every tax cut I can remember has functioned. And guess what, it didn't devastate America, but led to economic growth.

Cut it with your disingenuous bulls***.


How is adding a trillion dollars to the national debt going to lead to economic growth? In 10 years time we probably won't even be able to buy a car with US dollars.
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nicklebro
12/02/17 8:49:25 AM
#119:


UncleBourbon33 posted...
nicklebro posted...
UncleBourbon33 posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
UncleBourbon33 posted...
It's not nonsense.

It is. From the perspective of most secular philosophies upholding personal agency as a virtue, anti-abortion legislation is none of the state's business. And from a results perspective increasing access to abortion is good for society, enduring fewer children are born to people who shouldn't have them. And putting less of a strain on society to fix the mistakes of accidental parents.

Does the unborn not have personal agency?

Did you even read his post? It's none of the states business. That's the question. Is abortion wrong? Let's say it is, should we make everything wrong illegal?

Murder is the state's business.

Funny how you can't answer the question. You better argue just as adamantly against the death penalty.
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UncleBourbon33
12/02/17 8:51:06 AM
#120:


nicklebro posted...
You better argue just as adamantly against the death penalty.

I don''t because it's not equivalent.
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DezCaughtIt
12/02/17 8:51:23 AM
#121:


UncleBourbon33 posted...
nicklebro posted...
UncleBourbon33 posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
UncleBourbon33 posted...
It's not nonsense.

It is. From the perspective of most secular philosophies upholding personal agency as a virtue, anti-abortion legislation is none of the state's business. And from a results perspective increasing access to abortion is good for society, enduring fewer children are born to people who shouldn't have them. And putting less of a strain on society to fix the mistakes of accidental parents.

Does the unborn not have personal agency?

Did you even read his post? It's none of the states business. That's the question. Is abortion wrong? Let's say it is, should we make everything wrong illegal?

Murder is the state's business.

Indeed, but that's not what abortion is.
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OpheliaAdenade
12/02/17 8:51:30 AM
#122:


UncleBourbon33 posted...
Pretty soon you'll be called a crazy evangelical for opposing euthanasia. Sad.


You think terminally ill people in constant pain should be forced to live until they naturally expire? :u how nice of you.
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hollow_shrine
12/02/17 8:51:36 AM
#123:


UncleBourbon33 posted...
Does the unborn not have personal agency?

It does not. It doesn't possess the awareness to even have personal agency. The biological systems that allow us to express personal agency don't even exist until the later stages of prenatal development. Until that point, there is only the potential that they will develop and express it as they prepare for childbirth. And the larger point about the right of the state to interfere with your reproductive rights is being conceded here.
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gunplagirl
12/02/17 8:51:49 AM
#124:


Party of fiscal responsibility my ass. Everyone get your pitch forks ready for the incoming great depression, this is straight out of 1929.

Sayoria posted...
All 51 of those voting senators are going to need Trump level security. I imagine at least one assault or death soon.

Remove someone's will to live, they realize they have nothing left to lose but to take it out on the person involved with that removal of will.

Steve Scalise is proof. Rand Paul is proof.

These senators are going to get the shit beat out of them.


Willy wonka voice "No. Don't. Stop."

Seriously though, it's been ages since the last time pikes on heads adorned city squares and I don't see how they ever went out of fashion. But where would we get those heads from? I haven't got any idea.
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COVxy
12/02/17 8:52:14 AM
#125:


Dat_Cracka_Jax posted...
NY times article says 84% of people in my range can expect a cut.
Thanks Trump! What are people pissed about in here?


Despite what you think, people are often more than just self interested. If you weight the worth of a bill by how much it helps you, you need to reevaluate your priorities.

Not that your post is actually serious.
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nicklebro
12/02/17 8:53:24 AM
#126:


UncleBourbon33 posted...
nicklebro posted...
You better argue just as adamantly against the death penalty.

I don''t because it's not equivalent.

Neither is abortion and murder... Lol how did you not get that?
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The Admiral
12/02/17 8:53:34 AM
#127:


gunplagirl posted...
Party of fiscal responsibility my ass. Everyone get your pitch forks ready for the incoming great depression, this is straight out of 1929.

Sayoria posted...
All 51 of those voting senators are going to need Trump level security. I imagine at least one assault or death soon.

Remove someone's will to live, they realize they have nothing left to lose but to take it out on the person involved with that removal of will.

Steve Scalise is proof. Rand Paul is proof.

These senators are going to get the shit beat out of them.


Willy wonka voice "No. Don't. Stop."

Seriously though, it's been ages since the last time pikes on heads adorned city squares and I don't see how they ever went out of fashion. But where would we get those heads from? I haven't got any idea.


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UncleBourbon33
12/02/17 8:54:31 AM
#128:


gunplagirl posted...
Party of fiscal responsibility my ass. Everyone get your pitch forks ready for the incoming great depression, this is straight out of 1929.

Sayoria posted...
All 51 of those voting senators are going to need Trump level security. I imagine at least one assault or death soon.

Remove someone's will to live, they realize they have nothing left to lose but to take it out on the person involved with that removal of will.

Steve Scalise is proof. Rand Paul is proof.

These senators are going to get the shit beat out of them.


Willy wonka voice "No. Don't. Stop."

Seriously though, it's been ages since the last time pikes on heads adorned city squares and I don't see how they ever went out of fashion. But where would we get those heads from? I haven't got any idea.

Leftists are unhinged.
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gunplagirl
12/02/17 8:54:34 AM
#129:


OpheliaAdenade posted...
QassTank posted...


That is how every tax cut I can remember has functioned. And guess what, it didn't devastate America, but led to economic growth.

Cut it with your disingenuous bulls***.


How is adding a trillion dollars to the national debt going to lead to economic growth? In 10 years time we probably won't even be able to buy a car with US dollars.


Heck, major corporations admitted explicitly that they would not use the money for jobs but instead to give money to the shareholders.

Don't worry though, the rich will get richer and everyone else will get to foot the bill. Including the government.
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DezCaughtIt
12/02/17 8:56:02 AM
#130:


gunplagirl posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
QassTank posted...


That is how every tax cut I can remember has functioned. And guess what, it didn't devastate America, but led to economic growth.

Cut it with your disingenuous bulls***.


How is adding a trillion dollars to the national debt going to lead to economic growth? In 10 years time we probably won't even be able to buy a car with US dollars.


Heck, major corporations admitted explicitly that they would not use the money for jobs but instead to give money to the shareholders.

Don't worry though, the rich will get richer and everyone else will get to foot the bill. Including the government.

2018 and 2020 can't come soon enough
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QassTank
12/02/17 9:05:02 AM
#131:


gunplagirl posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
QassTank posted...


That is how every tax cut I can remember has functioned. And guess what, it didn't devastate America, but led to economic growth.

Cut it with your disingenuous bulls***.


How is adding a trillion dollars to the national debt going to lead to economic growth? In 10 years time we probably won't even be able to buy a car with US dollars.


Heck, major corporations admitted explicitly that they would not use the money for jobs but instead to give money to the shareholders.

Don't worry though, the rich will get richer and everyone else will get to foot the bill. Including the government.


The idea behind tax cuts is that they are supposed to help economic growth by allowing people to keep more of the money they earn. This is especially relevant for small businesses as they are a driving force in our economy.

The issue we have now is that our government is corrupt. Democrats and Republicans are corrupt assholes who only care about lining their pockets. The only difference between the two is who pays them. We have a lot of laws and regulations that make it easier for that to happen. Why weren't you guys fighting when the government made it virtually impossible for Americans to start up a new health insurance business? Where were you guys when the government made it pretty much impossible for new internet companies to start up? Even Google couldn't break through that.

When you have a government that enforces anti-competitive regulations and laws, nothing else really matters at that point because your economy is doomed to fail.

If you want to stop the whole "the rich get richer" thing, make it easier for a poor person to work their way up. Don't regulate them out of the market.
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gunplagirl
12/02/17 9:12:08 AM
#132:


The Admiral posted...
I love the smell of Commie fanfics in the morning.

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treewojima
12/02/17 9:15:07 AM
#133:


My taxes will go up by somewhere between $300-400 a year. Thanks, GOP. You're really keeping the interests of the white working class at heart. I'm just not gonna bend over and spread my cheeks like your deluded followers.

I can't wait to vote these fuckers out of office next election.
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butthole666
12/02/17 9:16:18 AM
#134:


So real talk how much direct fucking am I about to be subject to

Can already see they're gearing up to go after abortion, so that's fun

Do I still stay on my parents' insurance until I'm 26?
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nicklebro
12/02/17 9:17:00 AM
#135:


The Admiral posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Party of fiscal responsibility my ass. Everyone get your pitch forks ready for the incoming great depression, this is straight out of 1929.

Sayoria posted...
All 51 of those voting senators are going to need Trump level security. I imagine at least one assault or death soon.

Remove someone's will to live, they realize they have nothing left to lose but to take it out on the person involved with that removal of will.

Steve Scalise is proof. Rand Paul is proof.

These senators are going to get the shit beat out of them.


Willy wonka voice "No. Don't. Stop."

Seriously though, it's been ages since the last time pikes on heads adorned city squares and I don't see how they ever went out of fashion. But where would we get those heads from? I haven't got any idea.


I love the smell of Commie fanfics in the morning.

Lol
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gunplagirl
12/02/17 9:17:33 AM
#136:


DezCaughtIt posted...
gunplagirl posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
QassTank posted...


That is how every tax cut I can remember has functioned. And guess what, it didn't devastate America, but led to economic growth.

Cut it with your disingenuous bulls***.


How is adding a trillion dollars to the national debt going to lead to economic growth? In 10 years time we probably won't even be able to buy a car with US dollars.


Heck, major corporations admitted explicitly that they would not use the money for jobs but instead to give money to the shareholders.

Don't worry though, the rich will get richer and everyone else will get to foot the bill. Including the government.

2018 and 2020 can't come soon enough


This is basically them saying "good luck with that" because if we don't win enough dem seats in 2018, then when the districts are redrawn in 2020 it'll basically forever ensure Republicans gerrymandering advantage.
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DezCaughtIt
12/02/17 9:19:17 AM
#137:


butthole666 posted...

Do I still stay on my parents' insurance until I'm 26?


Yes. They didn't touch that (and that would be the equivalent of voter suicide if they did). However, the individual mandate is being repealed, making it no longer required to have insurance, so some 13 million people will likely lose insurance and premiums across the board will skyrocket even more than before.
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DezCaughtIt
12/02/17 9:20:39 AM
#138:


gunplagirl posted...
DezCaughtIt posted...
gunplagirl posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
QassTank posted...


That is how every tax cut I can remember has functioned. And guess what, it didn't devastate America, but led to economic growth.

Cut it with your disingenuous bulls***.


How is adding a trillion dollars to the national debt going to lead to economic growth? In 10 years time we probably won't even be able to buy a car with US dollars.


Heck, major corporations admitted explicitly that they would not use the money for jobs but instead to give money to the shareholders.

Don't worry though, the rich will get richer and everyone else will get to foot the bill. Including the government.

2018 and 2020 can't come soon enough


This is basically them saying "good luck with that" because if we don't win enough dem seats in 2018, then when the districts are redrawn in 2020 it'll basically forever ensure Republicans gerrymandering advantage.


You know how we solve that?

Vote vote vote vote vote vote vote
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gunplagirl
12/02/17 9:23:32 AM
#139:


DezCaughtIt posted...
gunplagirl posted...
DezCaughtIt posted...
gunplagirl posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
QassTank posted...


That is how every tax cut I can remember has functioned. And guess what, it didn't devastate America, but led to economic growth.

Cut it with your disingenuous bulls***.


How is adding a trillion dollars to the national debt going to lead to economic growth? In 10 years time we probably won't even be able to buy a car with US dollars.


Heck, major corporations admitted explicitly that they would not use the money for jobs but instead to give money to the shareholders.

Don't worry though, the rich will get richer and everyone else will get to foot the bill. Including the government.

2018 and 2020 can't come soon enough


This is basically them saying "good luck with that" because if we don't win enough dem seats in 2018, then when the districts are redrawn in 2020 it'll basically forever ensure Republicans gerrymandering advantage.


You know how we solve that?

Vote vote vote vote vote vote vote


Oh you poor dear. 2018 is our last chance for that to have any real impact barring a third party truly rising.
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TheRealDill2000
12/02/17 10:00:14 AM
#140:


gunplagirl posted...
DezCaughtIt posted...
gunplagirl posted...
DezCaughtIt posted...
gunplagirl posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
QassTank posted...


That is how every tax cut I can remember has functioned. And guess what, it didn't devastate America, but led to economic growth.

Cut it with your disingenuous bulls***.


How is adding a trillion dollars to the national debt going to lead to economic growth? In 10 years time we probably won't even be able to buy a car with US dollars.


Heck, major corporations admitted explicitly that they would not use the money for jobs but instead to give money to the shareholders.

Don't worry though, the rich will get richer and everyone else will get to foot the bill. Including the government.

2018 and 2020 can't come soon enough


This is basically them saying "good luck with that" because if we don't win enough dem seats in 2018, then when the districts are redrawn in 2020 it'll basically forever ensure Republicans gerrymandering advantage.


You know how we solve that?

Vote vote vote vote vote vote vote


Oh you poor dear. 2018 is our last chance for that to have any real impact barring a third party truly rising.

The status quo is working now. Why would anyone want to shake things up?
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COVxy
12/02/17 10:00:51 AM
#141:


QassTank posted...
If you want to stop the whole "the rich get richer" thing, make it easier for a poor person to work their way up. Don't regulate them out of the market.


I mean, no. A system in which the probability of obtaining wealth scales with current wealth will produce systemic inequalities without regulation, completely independent of merit.
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hollow_shrine
12/02/17 10:02:23 AM
#142:


TheRealDill2000 posted...

The status quo is working now. Why would anyone want to shake things up?

The status quo is in constant need of revision. Thus the Civil Rights movement and Dodd Frank, and Penicillin. I really don't think you know what you're saying here.
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Giant_Aspirin
12/02/17 10:03:11 AM
#143:


the party of "fiscal responsibility" just added 1 mother fucking trillion to the deficit over the next 10 years. but of course they don't give a fuck because those old guys will be dead by the time it's a problem.

at least this gives the Dems even more ammo to reclaim the entire federal government in 2020
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QassTank
12/02/17 10:04:30 AM
#144:


COVxy posted...

I mean, no. A system in which the probability of obtaining wealth scales with current wealth will produce systemic inequalities without regulation, completely independent of merit.

So you're saying that instead of introducing regulations to make it easier for new competition to crop up, we should introduce regulation to make it harder?

My whole point with that post was that regulations today make it almost impossible to start a business in a lot of sectors, which makes it harder to gain wealth, which is a symptom of corruption as the rich bribe government officials to make laws so their businesses have an easier time.

There will always be a need for government to get involved. The issue I have is the way they get involved.
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COVxy
12/02/17 10:07:22 AM
#145:


What I'm saying is that the rich getting richer is necessarily endemic to an unregulated system in which the probability of obtaining wealth is dependent on current wealth.
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The_Juice_
12/02/17 10:09:35 AM
#146:


Giant_Aspirin posted...
the party of "fiscal responsibility" just added 1 mother fucking trillion to the deficit over the next 10 years.


This is what gets me, they platformed on the argument of reducing the deficit and then do that.

Although no one should be surprised by politicians lying
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fire_bolt
12/02/17 10:10:18 AM
#147:


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The Admiral
12/02/17 10:11:40 AM
#148:


COVxy posted...
What I'm saying is that the rich getting richer is necessarily endemic to an unregulated system in which the probability of obtaining wealth is dependent on current wealth.


What regulations are you talking about? Or are you just using that as code for "taxes?"
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COVxy
12/02/17 10:15:23 AM
#149:


The Admiral posted...
COVxy posted...
What I'm saying is that the rich getting richer is necessarily endemic to an unregulated system in which the probability of obtaining wealth is dependent on current wealth.


What regulations are you talking about? Or are you just using that as code for "taxes?"


The regulation, within the scope of this discussion, is irrelevant. Any regulation which fucks with the dependence of wealth gain on current weath counts.

The main point is that the argument that to produce more equality we need less regulation is complete and utter bullshit, and if anyone ever thought about it for half a second they would realize that.
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Sayoria
12/02/17 10:17:41 AM
#150:


gunplagirl posted...


Willy wonka voice "No. Don't. Stop."

Seriously though, it's been ages since the last time pikes on heads adorned city squares and I don't see how they ever went out of fashion. But where would we get those heads from? I haven't got any idea


What?....

And I can see it now. Force us into another great depression..... only remedy is war, which Republicans want. We go to war, Trump wins, Republicans become heroes, the rich get richer and the economy moves during that time giving people a little hope.
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