o Cali Girl is found NOT GUILTY!!

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Full Throttle 11/30/17 9:13:38 PM #1:	Do you think this was the right decision? Yes No View Results Jose Ines Garcia Zarate, the Illegal Mexican Immigrant who was accused of shooting and murdering Kate Steinle back in July 2, 2015 has been found NOT GUILTY of second degree murder!! He was charged with second degree murder and assault with a deadly weapon and though he admitted to shooting the 32 y/o in the back, he said the gun went off accidentally after he found it on the pier in San Francisco. He was also found not guilty of involuntary manslaughter and was only indicted on being a felon in possession of a weapon. He now only faces 16 months and 3 years in state prison. President Trump used this murder as a rallying cry during his campaign to end sanctuary cities and stricter immigration because Jose was a mexican citizen. He had been deported 5 times and served prison already for illegally re-entertaing the United States. San Francisco is a sanctuary city that bars city officials from cooperating with federal immigration deportation. The jury took 6 days to deliberate and at some point asked to see the gun. Public Defender Matt Gonzalez said it was the right decision because Jose deserved a right to a jury. Trump and Jeff Sessions blamed California lawmakers for Kate's death as Sessions said "When jurisdictions choose to return criminal aliens to the streets rather than turning them over to federal immigration authorties, they put the public's safety at risk. SF decision to protect criminal aliens led to the preventable and heartbreaking death of Kate Steinle" The DA tried to argue that Garcia found the gun and deliberately shot it toward Kate while playing his own "secret version of the Russian Roulette" The bullet richocheted off the pier's concrete walkway and hit Kate in the back. She then died in her father's arms. The Defense said the prosecutors were pushing a "wild narrative of a desire to hurt someone he does not know". They said he found a gun wrapped in a shirt under a chair on the pedestrian pier and it went off by accident when he picked it up Trump this murder is the reason for tough immigration policies and that many lives could be saved if they built a wall Do you agree with the jury decision? Jose - Illegal Immigrant http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/01/00/46D9DEA800000578-5134757-image-a-11_1512088771538.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/01/00/46D2B18600000578-5134757-image-a-9_1512088736816.jpg Kate - Deceased http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/01/00/46D9F39C00000578-5134757-image-m-10_1512088763912.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/01/01/46DB17B400000578-5134757-image-a-7_1512091884836.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/01/01/46D9DD9100000578-5134757-image-a-3_1512090888707.jpg Her parents - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/01/01/46D9DE7C00000578-5134757-image-a-2_1512090721589.jpg --- call me mrduckbear, sweater monkeys. Everytime a GFAQS User Steps On A Bug, I'll Stop Posting for 24 HOURS I'm an Asian Liberal. RESIST The Alt-Right <cite>Full Throttle posted [p:891365195] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote> Do you think this was the right decision? Yes No View Results Jose Ines Garcia Zarate, the Illegal Mexican Immigrant who was accused of shooting and murdering Kate Steinle back in July 2, 2015 has been found NOT GUILTY of second degree murder!! He was charged with second degree murder and assault with a deadly weapon and though he admitted to shooting the 32 y/o in the back, he said the gun went off accidentally after he found it on the pier in San Francisco. He was also found not guilty of involuntary manslaughter and was only indicted on being a felon in possession of a weapon. He now only faces 16 months and 3 years in state prison. President Trump used this murder as a rallying cry during his campaign to end sanctuary cities and stricter immigration because Jose was a mexican citizen. He had been deported 5 times and served prison already for illegally re-entertaing the United States. San Francisco is a sanctuary city that bars city officials from cooperating with federal immigration deportation. The jury took 6 days to deliberate and at some point asked to see the gun. Public Defender Matt Gonzalez said it was the right decision because Jose deserved a right to a jury. Trump and Jeff Sessions blamed California lawmakers for Kate's death as Sessions said "When jurisdictions choose to return criminal aliens to the streets rather than turning them over to federal immigration authorties, they put the public's safety at risk. SF decision to protect criminal aliens led to the preventable and heartbreaking death of Kate Steinle" The DA tried to argue that Garcia found the gun and deliberately shot it toward Kate while playing his own "secret version of the Russian Roulette" The bullet richocheted off the pier's concrete walkway and hit Kate in the back. She then died in her father's arms. The Defense said the prosecutors were pushing a "wild narrative of a desire to hurt someone he does not know". They said he found a gun wrapped in a shirt under a chair on the pedestrian pier and it went off by accident when he picked it up Trump this murder is the reason for tough immigration policies and that many lives could be saved if they built a wall Do you agree with the jury decision? Jose - Illegal Immigrant http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/01/00/46D9DEA800000578-5134757-image-a-11_1512088771538.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/01/00/46D2B18600000578-5134757-image-a-9_1512088736816.jpg Kate - Deceased http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/01/00/46D9F39C00000578-5134757-image-m-10_1512088763912.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/01/01/46DB17B400000578-5134757-image-a-7_1512091884836.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/01/01/46D9DD9100000578-5134757-image-a-3_1512090888707.jpg Her parents - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/12/01/01/46D9DE7C00000578-5134757-image-a-2_1512090721589.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eggcorn 11/30/17 9:15:42 PM #2:	Full Throttle posted... They said he found a gun wrapped in a shirt under a chair on the pedestrian pier and it went off by accident when he picked it up lmao suuuure <cite>eggcorn posted [p:891365315] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>They said he found a gun wrapped in a shirt under a chair on the pedestrian pier and it went off by accident when he picked it up</quote> lmao suuuure</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 11/30/17 9:15:46 PM #3:	Why would someone say it was the wrong decision. It was a fair trial. Prosecution lost. Get over it. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:891365318] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote>Why would someone say it was the wrong decision. It was a fair trial. Prosecution lost. Get over it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 11/30/17 9:16:52 PM #4:	ChainedRedone posted... Why would someone say it was the wrong decision. It was a fair trial. Prosecution lost. Get over it. The father is sad for his daughter. You telling him to get over it? <cite>Zikten posted [p:891365382] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Why would someone say it was the wrong decision. It was a fair trial. Prosecution lost. Get over it.</quote> The father is sad for his daughter. You telling him to get over it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 11/30/17 9:18:47 PM #5:	Zikten posted... ChainedRedone posted... Why would someone say it was the wrong decision. It was a fair trial. Prosecution lost. Get over it. The father is sad for his daughter. You telling him to get over it? Are you telling him to bitch and moan about the jury's decision for the rest of his life? --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:891365484] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Why would someone say it was the wrong decision. It was a fair trial. Prosecution lost. Get over it.</quote> The father is sad for his daughter. You telling him to get over it?</quote> Are you telling him to bitch and moan about the jury's decision for the rest of his life?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eggcorn 11/30/17 9:21:47 PM #6:	ChainedRedone posted... Zikten posted... ChainedRedone posted... Why would someone say it was the wrong decision. It was a fair trial. Prosecution lost. Get over it. The father is sad for his daughter. You telling him to get over it? Are you telling him to bitch and moan about the jury's decision for the rest of his life? I don't think he's telling him to do anything <cite>eggcorn posted [p:891365643] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Why would someone say it was the wrong decision. It was a fair trial. Prosecution lost. Get over it.</quote> The father is sad for his daughter. You telling him to get over it?</quote> Are you telling him to bitch and moan about the jury's decision for the rest of his life?</quote> I don't think he's telling him to do anything</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 11/30/17 9:24:07 PM #7:	eggcorn posted... Full Throttle posted... They said he found a gun wrapped in a shirt under a chair on the pedestrian pier and it went off by accident when he picked it up lmao suuuure I mean. This is a ridiculous defense. I can't imagine that this was what made the jury find him innocent. But the prosecution should have pushed for negligent homicide. Edit: re-reading this, I can't believe he didn't even get involuntary manslaughter. He discharged an unlicensed/illegal gun thay resulted in the death of someone. It shouldn't matter if there was intent or not in 2nd degree murder charges. --- http://i.imgur.com/Rqk1DYV.gif - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:891365782] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>eggcorn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>They said he found a gun wrapped in a shirt under a chair on the pedestrian pier and it went off by accident when he picked it up</quote> lmao suuuure</quote> I mean. This is a ridiculous defense. I can't imagine that this was what made the jury find him innocent. But the prosecution should have pushed for negligent homicide. Edit: re-reading this, I can't believe he didn't even get involuntary manslaughter. He discharged an unlicensed/illegal gun thay resulted in the death of someone. It shouldn't matter if there was intent or not in 2nd degree murder charges.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarlGrimes 11/30/17 9:26:27 PM #8:	The world really does need a Frank Castle. --- You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8 <cite>CarlGrimes posted [p:891365896] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote>The world really does need a Frank Castle.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
whitelytning 11/30/17 9:28:04 PM #9:	chrono625 posted... This is a ridiculous defense. I can't imagine that this was what made the jury find him innocent. Why? Do guns never go off by accident? I don't know the facts about what the bullet bounced off to hit the victim but I agree with your second sentence. It sounds like there might have been some sketchy facts to begin with. --- ************************************************ http://i.imgur.com/iZdWIKJ.jpg <cite>whitelytning posted [p:891365995] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>This is a ridiculous defense. I can't imagine that this was what made the jury find him innocent. </quote> Why? Do guns never go off by accident? I don't know the facts about what the bullet bounced off to hit the victim but I agree with your second sentence. It sounds like there might have been some sketchy facts to begin with.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 11/30/17 9:28:43 PM #10:	whitelytning posted... chrono625 posted... This is a ridiculous defense. I can't imagine that this was what made the jury find him innocent. Why? Do guns never go off by accident? I don't know the facts about what the bullet bounced off to hit the victim but it sounds like there might have been some sketchy facts to begin with. Even if it was totally as they described. He still was criminally negligent. --- http://i.imgur.com/Rqk1DYV.gif - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:891366029] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>whitelytning posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>This is a ridiculous defense. I can't imagine that this was what made the jury find him innocent. </quote> Why? Do guns never go off by accident? I don't know the facts about what the bullet bounced off to hit the victim but it sounds like there might have been some sketchy facts to begin with.</quote> Even if it was totally as they described. He still was criminally negligent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 11/30/17 9:29:18 PM #11:	eggcorn posted... ChainedRedone posted... Zikten posted... ChainedRedone posted... Why would someone say it was the wrong decision. It was a fair trial. Prosecution lost. Get over it. The father is sad for his daughter. You telling him to get over it? Are you telling him to bitch and moan about the jury's decision for the rest of his life? I don't think he's telling him to do anything I don't think I'm telling him to do anything either. chrono625 posted... whitelytning posted... chrono625 posted... This is a ridiculous defense. I can't imagine that this was what made the jury find him innocent. Why? Do guns never go off by accident? I don't know the facts about what the bullet bounced off to hit the victim but it sounds like there might have been some sketchy facts to begin with. Even if it was totally as they described. He still was criminally negligent. Not necessarily. But nice try, armchair prosecutor. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:891366067] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>eggcorn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zikten posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Why would someone say it was the wrong decision. It was a fair trial. Prosecution lost. Get over it.</quote> The father is sad for his daughter. You telling him to get over it?</quote> Are you telling him to bitch and moan about the jury's decision for the rest of his life?</quote> I don't think he's telling him to do anything</quote> I don't think I'm telling him to do anything either. <cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>whitelytning posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>This is a ridiculous defense. I can't imagine that this was what made the jury find him innocent. </quote> Why? Do guns never go off by accident? I don't know the facts about what the bullet bounced off to hit the victim but it sounds like there might have been some sketchy facts to begin with.</quote> Even if it was totally as they described. He still was criminally negligent.</quote> Not necessarily. But nice try, armchair prosecutor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
whitelytning 11/30/17 9:30:57 PM #12:	chrono625 posted... He still was criminally negligent. Not if he didn't intend for the gun to go off, which is what the defense argued. If he was just shooting it in a direction with people around but not trying to hit anyone I would agree with you. If he didn't even intend for the gun to discharge I think your argument has a hole in it. --- ************************************************ http://i.imgur.com/iZdWIKJ.jpg <cite>whitelytning posted [p:891366154] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>He still was criminally negligent. </quote> Not if he didn't intend for the gun to go off, which is what the defense argued. If he was just shooting it in a direction with people around but not trying to hit anyone I would agree with you. If he didn't even intend for the gun to discharge I think your argument has a hole in it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 11/30/17 9:36:39 PM #13:	ChainedRedone posted... Not necessarily. But nice try, armchair prosecutor. Illegal possession of a deadly weapon that discharged in his possession. That's negligence. And it resulted in the death of someone. The fact he didn't get convicted on any counts is absurd. whitelytning posted... chrono625 posted... He still was criminally negligent. Not if he didn't intend for the gun to go off, which is what the defense argued. If he was just shooting it in a direction with people around but not trying to hit anyone I would agree with you. If he didn't even intend for the gun to discharge I think your argument has a hole in it. Criminal negligence doesn't need intent. He possessed an illegal firearm, whether it went off by accident or not, he's still liable for what happened. --- http://i.imgur.com/Rqk1DYV.gif - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:891366495] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Not necessarily. But nice try, armchair prosecutor.</quote> Illegal possession of a deadly weapon that discharged in his possession. That's negligence. And it resulted in the death of someone. The fact he didn't get convicted on any counts is absurd. <cite>whitelytning posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>He still was criminally negligent. </quote> Not if he didn't intend for the gun to go off, which is what the defense argued. If he was just shooting it in a direction with people around but not trying to hit anyone I would agree with you. If he didn't even intend for the gun to discharge I think your argument has a hole in it.</quote> Criminal negligence doesn't need intent. He possessed an illegal firearm, whether it went off by accident or not, he's still liable for what happened.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fusespliff 11/30/17 9:37:18 PM #14:	whitelytning posted... chrono625 posted... He still was criminally negligent. Not if he didn't intend for the gun to go off, which is what the defense argued. If he was just shooting it in a direction with people around but not trying to hit anyone I would agree with you. If he didn't even intend for the gun to discharge I think your argument has a hole in it. Must resist urge to make terribly inappropriate joke --- ... <cite>fusespliff posted [p:891366521] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>whitelytning posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>He still was criminally negligent. </quote> Not if he didn't intend for the gun to go off, which is what the defense argued. If he was just shooting it in a direction with people around but not trying to hit anyone I would agree with you. If he didn't even intend for the gun to discharge I think your argument has a hole in it.</quote> Must resist urge to make terribly inappropriate joke</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 11/30/17 9:37:36 PM #15:	chrono625 posted... The fact he didn't get charged on any counts is absurd. He was charged on all counts and convicted for illegal possession --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:891366542] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>The fact he didn't get charged on any counts is absurd.</quote> He was charged on all counts and convicted for illegal possession</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dirtycommunist 11/30/17 9:37:56 PM #16:	I read about this in pretty great detail a while back, and even the prosecution agreed with the forensic evidence presented by the defense. There is no chance in hell he could have managed to hit her by bouncing a shot off the pavement if he were trying, it was a complete and total freak accident. The only question was what he should be tried for, and it sure as hell shouldn't have been homicide, so this was the right outcome. --- ***not actually a communist, only dirty on occasion <cite>dirtycommunist posted [p:891366563] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote>I read about this in pretty great detail a while back, and even the prosecution agreed with the forensic evidence presented by the defense. There is no chance in hell he could have managed to hit her by bouncing a shot off the pavement if he were trying, it was a complete and total freak accident. The only question was what he should be tried for, and it sure as hell shouldn't have been homicide, so this was the right outcome.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eggcorn 11/30/17 9:38:15 PM #17:	fusespliff posted... whitelytning posted... chrono625 posted... He still was criminally negligent. Not if he didn't intend for the gun to go off, which is what the defense argued. If he was just shooting it in a direction with people around but not trying to hit anyone I would agree with you. If he didn't even intend for the gun to discharge I think your argument has a hole in it. Must resist urge to make terribly inappropriate joke do it do it <cite>eggcorn posted [p:891366578] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>fusespliff posted...</cite> <quote><cite>whitelytning posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>He still was criminally negligent. </quote> Not if he didn't intend for the gun to go off, which is what the defense argued. If he was just shooting it in a direction with people around but not trying to hit anyone I would agree with you. If he didn't even intend for the gun to discharge I think your argument has a hole in it.</quote> Must resist urge to make terribly inappropriate joke</quote> do it do it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 11/30/17 9:38:34 PM #18:	chrono625 posted... Illegal possession of a deadly weapon that discharged in his possession. That's negligence. And it resulted in the death of someone. The fact he didn't get charged on any counts is absurd. He wasn't aware it was a firearm. That's what his defense was. Firearm was wrapped up, he picked it up and it fired. You also don't know the difference between charged or convicted, which shows you probably don't know anything about law to begin with. So you probably shouldn't argue about "criminal negligance." --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:891366592] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>Illegal possession of a deadly weapon that discharged in his possession. That's negligence. And it resulted in the death of someone. The fact he didn't get charged on any counts is absurd.</quote> He wasn't aware it was a firearm. That's what his defense was. Firearm was wrapped up, he picked it up and it fired. You also don't know the difference between charged or convicted, which shows you probably don't know anything about law to begin with. So you probably shouldn't argue about "criminal negligance."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 11/30/17 9:45:33 PM #19:	ChainedRedone posted... chrono625 posted... Illegal possession of a deadly weapon that discharged in his possession. That's negligence. And it resulted in the death of someone. The fact he didn't get charged on any counts is absurd. He wasn't aware it was a firearm. That's what his defense was. Firearm was wrapped up, he picked it up and it fired. You also don't know the difference between charged or convicted, which shows you probably don't know anything about law to begin with. So you probably shouldn't argue about "criminal negligance." Ok it's called a discussion. I corrected myself after antifars post. I don't need to have a law degree to give my two cents on the subject. If you happen to have a degree in law, great. But if not you're no more equipped for the discussion than I am. So stop being a dick cause your internet ego is stroking itself. Also, it's "negligence" since you want to be a petty prick. --- http://i.imgur.com/Rqk1DYV.gif - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:891367003] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>Illegal possession of a deadly weapon that discharged in his possession. That's negligence. And it resulted in the death of someone. The fact he didn't get charged on any counts is absurd.</quote> He wasn't aware it was a firearm. That's what his defense was. Firearm was wrapped up, he picked it up and it fired. You also don't know the difference between charged or convicted, which shows you probably don't know anything about law to begin with. So you probably shouldn't argue about "criminal negligance."</quote> Ok it's called a discussion. I corrected myself after antifars post. I don't need to have a law degree to give my two cents on the subject. If you happen to have a degree in law, great. But if not you're no more equipped for the discussion than I am. So stop being a dick cause your internet ego is stroking itself. Also, it's "negligence" since you want to be a petty prick.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
whitelytning 11/30/17 9:45:44 PM #20:	chrono625 posted... Criminal negligence doesn't need intent. Yes it does, to some extent at least. It requires a showing of an intentional act that lead to the negligence and is not a strict liability issue. In other words, the accused has to take some action that can be considered negligent. The argument here is that he never did that. If I pick up a bag I find and a gun drops out of the bag, hits the ground, goes off and kills someone it would be hard to show that I acted negligently. This is different than if I'm juggling loaded hand guns in a crowded area. --- ************************************************ http://i.imgur.com/iZdWIKJ.jpg <cite>whitelytning posted [p:891367014] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>Criminal negligence doesn't need intent. </quote> Yes it does, to some extent at least. It requires a showing of an intentional act that lead to the negligence and is not a strict liability issue. In other words, the accused has to take some action that can be considered negligent. The argument here is that he never did that. If I pick up a bag I find and a gun drops out of the bag, hits the ground, goes off and kills someone it would be hard to show that I acted negligently. This is different than if I'm juggling loaded hand guns in a crowded area.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 11/30/17 9:52:45 PM #21:	whitelytning posted... chrono625 posted... Criminal negligence doesn't need intent. Yes it does, to some extent at least. It requires a showing of an intentional act that lead to the negligence and is not a strict liability issue. In other words, the accused has to take some action that can be considered negligent. The argument here is that he never did that. If I pick up a bag I find and a gun drops out of the bag, hits the ground, goes off and kills someone it would be hard to show that I acted negligently. This is different than if I'm juggling loaded hand guns in a crowded area. So, they convicted him with a felony of possession of an illegal weapon. If their reason for acquitting him on all the other charges was he didn't know it was a gun, that it discharged while wrapped up. Then how do you charge him for possession? That's what really doesn't make sense to me. If it was really wrapped up and he genuinely didn't know, then why convict him on a possession charge. --- http://i.imgur.com/Rqk1DYV.gif - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:891367407] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>whitelytning posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>Criminal negligence doesn't need intent. </quote> Yes it does, to some extent at least. It requires a showing of an intentional act that lead to the negligence and is not a strict liability issue. In other words, the accused has to take some action that can be considered negligent. The argument here is that he never did that. If I pick up a bag I find and a gun drops out of the bag, hits the ground, goes off and kills someone it would be hard to show that I acted negligently. This is different than if I'm juggling loaded hand guns in a crowded area.</quote> So, they convicted him with a felony of possession of an illegal weapon. If their reason for acquitting him on all the other charges was he didn't know it was a gun, that it discharged while wrapped up. Then how do you charge him for possession? That's what really doesn't make sense to me. If it was really wrapped up and he genuinely didn't know, then why convict him on a possession charge.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fusespliff 11/30/17 9:53:14 PM #22:	eggcorn posted... fusespliff posted... whitelytning posted... chrono625 posted... He still was criminally negligent. Not if he didn't intend for the gun to go off, which is what the defense argued. If he was just shooting it in a direction with people around but not trying to hit anyone I would agree with you. If he didn't even intend for the gun to discharge I think your argument has a hole in it. Nah, I'll show some class today Must resist urge to make terribly inappropriate joke do it do it --- ... <cite>fusespliff posted [p:891367430] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>eggcorn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>fusespliff posted...</cite> <quote><cite>whitelytning posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>He still was criminally negligent. </quote> Not if he didn't intend for the gun to go off, which is what the defense argued. If he was just shooting it in a direction with people around but not trying to hit anyone I would agree with you. If he didn't even intend for the gun to discharge I think your argument has a hole in it.</quote> Nah, I'll show some class today Must resist urge to make terribly inappropriate joke</quote> do it do it</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChainedRedone 11/30/17 9:56:25 PM #23:	chrono625 posted... whitelytning posted... chrono625 posted... Criminal negligence doesn't need intent. Yes it does, to some extent at least. It requires a showing of an intentional act that lead to the negligence and is not a strict liability issue. In other words, the accused has to take some action that can be considered negligent. The argument here is that he never did that. If I pick up a bag I find and a gun drops out of the bag, hits the ground, goes off and kills someone it would be hard to show that I acted negligently. This is different than if I'm juggling loaded hand guns in a crowded area. So, they convicted him with a felony of possession of an illegal weapon. If their reason for acquitting him on all the other charges was he didn't know it was a gun, that it discharged while wrapped up. Then how do you charge him for possession? That's what really doesn't make sense to me. If it was really wrapped up and he genuinely didn't know, then why convict him on a possession charge. The jury was presented with all the evidence. More evidence than you see in that link. After days of deliberation, they decided there was insufficient evidence to convict him for manslaughter but sufficient for possession. Perhaps he held onto the weapon after it fired? Who knows. But it was a fair trial and the defendant only had a public defender. I see no reason to rebuke the jury's decision. This is why it's generally not a good idea to have strong opinions about a jury's decision in a trial. You weren't presented with all the evidence. They were. --- David Mink. Hero. https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6043/6337878059_009dd4c4f3_z.jpg <cite>ChainedRedone posted [p:891367589] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>whitelytning posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote>Criminal negligence doesn't need intent. </quote> Yes it does, to some extent at least. It requires a showing of an intentional act that lead to the negligence and is not a strict liability issue. In other words, the accused has to take some action that can be considered negligent. The argument here is that he never did that. If I pick up a bag I find and a gun drops out of the bag, hits the ground, goes off and kills someone it would be hard to show that I acted negligently. This is different than if I'm juggling loaded hand guns in a crowded area.</quote> So, they convicted him with a felony of possession of an illegal weapon. If their reason for acquitting him on all the other charges was he didn't know it was a gun, that it discharged while wrapped up. Then how do you charge him for possession? That's what really doesn't make sense to me. If it was really wrapped up and he genuinely didn't know, then why convict him on a possession charge.</quote> The jury was presented with all the evidence. More evidence than you see in that link. After days of deliberation, they decided there was insufficient evidence to convict him for manslaughter but sufficient for possession. Perhaps he held onto the weapon after it fired? Who knows. But it was a fair trial and the defendant only had a public defender. I see no reason to rebuke the jury's decision. This is why it's generally not a good idea to have strong opinions about a jury's decision in a trial. You weren't presented with all the evidence. They were.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 12/01/17 8:37:24 AM #24:	I wonder if white people will riot over this --- Sweet dreams are made of cheese Who am I to diss a brie? <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:891387500] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote>I wonder if white people will riot over this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 12/01/17 8:42:17 AM #25:	If only Zimmerman had been an illegal immigrant, then the left would have accepted the verdict of the jury instead of still crying about it to this day. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:891387645] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote>If only Zimmerman had been an illegal immigrant, then the left would have accepted the verdict of the jury instead of still crying about it to this day.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 12/01/17 8:44:26 AM #26:	ChainedRedone posted... Why would someone say it was the wrong decision. It was a fair trial. Prosecution lost. Get over it. I uncharacteristically agree with. I wish you would have this same reaction when the cops charged with killing black men are also acquitted by a jury after a trial, but I'll take what I can get with this post. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:891387711] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChainedRedone posted...</cite> <quote>Why would someone say it was the wrong decision. It was a fair trial. Prosecution lost. Get over it.</quote> I uncharacteristically agree with. I wish you would have this same reaction when the cops charged with killing black men are also acquitted by a jury after a trial, but I'll take what I can get with this post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 12/01/17 8:45:50 AM #27:	Seems like another case of over charging someone. Maybe they should have accepted his story and charged him with manslaughter for being stupid enough to fuck with a gun he's not allowed to have. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:891387765] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote>Seems like another case of over charging someone. Maybe they should have accepted his story and charged him with manslaughter for being stupid enough to fuck with a gun he's not allowed to have.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chrono625 12/01/17 8:48:25 AM #28:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Seems like another case of over charging someone. Maybe they should have accepted his story and charged him with manslaughter for being stupid enough to fuck with a gun he's not allowed to have. They did. And he was acquitted of that too. --- http://i.imgur.com/Rqk1DYV.gif - Super Bowl XXI/XXV/XLII/XLVI Champions - NY Giants Eli Manning SB tracker: 2/2 Superbowls 2/2 SBMVP's <cite>chrono625 posted [p:891387861] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Seems like another case of over charging someone. Maybe they should have accepted his story and charged him with manslaughter for being stupid enough to fuck with a gun he's not allowed to have.</quote> They did. And he was acquitted of that too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkjedilink 12/01/17 8:52:31 AM #30:	chrono625 posted... eggcorn posted... Full Throttle posted... They said he found a gun wrapped in a shirt under a chair on the pedestrian pier and it went off by accident when he picked it up lmao suuuure I mean. This is a ridiculous defense. I can't imagine that this was what made the jury find him innocent. But the prosecution should have pushed for negligent homicide. Edit: re-reading this, I can't believe he didn't even get involuntary manslaughter. He discharged an unlicensed/illegal gun thay resulted in the death of someone. It shouldn't matter if there was intent or not in 2nd degree murder charges. This case proves how stupid California is. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:891387986] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eggcorn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>They said he found a gun wrapped in a shirt under a chair on the pedestrian pier and it went off by accident when he picked it up</quote> lmao suuuure</quote> I mean. This is a ridiculous defense. I can't imagine that this was what made the jury find him innocent. But the prosecution should have pushed for negligent homicide. Edit: re-reading this, I can't believe he didn't even get involuntary manslaughter. He discharged an unlicensed/illegal gun thay resulted in the death of someone. It shouldn't matter if there was intent or not in 2nd degree murder charges.</quote> This case proves how stupid California is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 12/01/17 8:53:50 AM #31:	darkjedilink posted... chrono625 posted... eggcorn posted... Full Throttle posted... They said he found a gun wrapped in a shirt under a chair on the pedestrian pier and it went off by accident when he picked it up lmao suuuure I mean. This is a ridiculous defense. I can't imagine that this was what made the jury find him innocent. But the prosecution should have pushed for negligent homicide. Edit: re-reading this, I can't believe he didn't even get involuntary manslaughter. He discharged an unlicensed/illegal gun thay resulted in the death of someone. It shouldn't matter if there was intent or not in 2nd degree murder charges. This case proves how stupid California is. The fact that he was supposed to be deported for selling weed but had all charges dropped at the last second proves how stupid Cali is --- Sweet dreams are made of cheese Who am I to diss a brie? <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:891388027] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>chrono625 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eggcorn posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>They said he found a gun wrapped in a shirt under a chair on the pedestrian pier and it went off by accident when he picked it up</quote> lmao suuuure</quote> I mean. This is a ridiculous defense. I can't imagine that this was what made the jury find him innocent. But the prosecution should have pushed for negligent homicide. Edit: re-reading this, I can't believe he didn't even get involuntary manslaughter. He discharged an unlicensed/illegal gun thay resulted in the death of someone. It shouldn't matter if there was intent or not in 2nd degree murder charges.</quote> This case proves how stupid California is.</quote> The fact that he was supposed to be deported for selling weed but had all charges dropped at the last second proves how stupid Cali is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 12/01/17 9:18:39 AM #32:	DifferentialEquation posted... If only Zimmerman had been an illegal immigrant, then the left would have accepted the verdict of the jury instead of still crying about it to this day. Absolutely unnecessary. Hilarious and possibly accurate, but unnecessary. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:891388867] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>If only Zimmerman had been an illegal immigrant, then the left would have accepted the verdict of the jury instead of still crying about it to this day.</quote> Absolutely unnecessary. Hilarious and possibly accurate, but unnecessary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
twitterfriends 12/01/17 9:21:32 AM #33:	Really really dumb lawyers on the prosecution side, it's almost like they were trying to lose on purpose --- #NotMyPresident #JusticeDemocrats #PathOfExile #WolfPAC #Bitcoin #WeAre12 #12thMan #Seahawks #Belieber #UBI #PokemonGo #twitterfriends #MMA #PopularHashtags <cite>twitterfriends posted [p:891388986] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote>Really really dumb lawyers on the prosecution side, it's almost like they were trying to lose on purpose</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 12/01/17 9:24:26 AM #34:	Bloodychess posted... The fact that he was supposed to be deported for selling weed but had all charges dropped at the last second proves how stupid Cali is How? California doesn't decide who gets deported. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:891389095] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>The fact that he was supposed to be deported for selling weed but had all charges dropped at the last second proves how stupid Cali is</quote> How? California doesn't decide who gets deported.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 12/01/17 9:29:42 AM #35:	JE19426 posted... Bloodychess posted... The fact that he was supposed to be deported for selling weed but had all charges dropped at the last second proves how stupid Cali is How? California doesn't decide who gets deported. But he was detained for selling weed. When the feds found out he was illegal and recommended deportation, Cali decided to drop the charges and release him. Can't deport someone if they aren't in custody, and California wasn't going to use resources to go back out and find him. Really, he should have never been released back to the Public --- Sweet dreams are made of cheese Who am I to diss a brie? <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:891389299] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>The fact that he was supposed to be deported for selling weed but had all charges dropped at the last second proves how stupid Cali is</quote> How? California doesn't decide who gets deported.</quote> But he was detained for selling weed. When the feds found out he was illegal and recommended deportation, Cali decided to drop the charges and release him. Can't deport someone if they aren't in custody, and California wasn't going to use resources to go back out and find him. Really, he should have never been released back to the Public</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TsC_PoLiTiKz 12/01/17 9:38:04 AM #36:	Bloodychess posted... JE19426 posted... Bloodychess posted... The fact that he was supposed to be deported for selling weed but had all charges dropped at the last second proves how stupid Cali is How? California doesn't decide who gets deported. But he was detained for selling weed. When the feds found out he was illegal and recommended deportation, Cali decided to drop the charges and release him. Can't deport someone if they aren't in custody, and California wasn't going to use resources to go back out and find him. Really, he should have never been released back to the Public Yeah, I'm sure California would love to spend their tax dollars hunting down a man who smuggled in a legal substance. --- Currently Playing: Star Wars: Battlefront II (XONE); Overwatch (XONE); Pokemon Blue (GB); The Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring (GBA); RuneScape (PC) <cite>TsC_PoLiTiKz posted [p:891389623] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>The fact that he was supposed to be deported for selling weed but had all charges dropped at the last second proves how stupid Cali is</quote> How? California doesn't decide who gets deported.</quote> But he was detained for selling weed. When the feds found out he was illegal and recommended deportation, Cali decided to drop the charges and release him. Can't deport someone if they aren't in custody, and California wasn't going to use resources to go back out and find him. Really, he should have never been released back to the Public</quote> Yeah, I'm sure California would love to spend their tax dollars hunting down a man who smuggled in a legal substance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 12/01/17 9:39:25 AM #37:	Why that cop got to walk after he killed a innocent person in a stair well. People were ok with it. So I guess they would be ok with this too. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:891389686] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote>Why that cop got to walk after he killed a innocent person in a stair well. People were ok with it. So I guess they would be ok with this too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 12/01/17 9:41:07 AM #38:	Bloodychess posted... But he was detained for selling weed. When the feds found out he was illegal and recommended deportation, Cali decided to drop the charges and release him. Can't deport someone if they aren't in custody, and California wasn't going to use resources to go back out and find him. So why didn't the Feds use their resources to go back out and find him? <cite>JE19426 posted [p:891389739] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>But he was detained for selling weed. When the feds found out he was illegal and recommended deportation, Cali decided to drop the charges and release him. Can't deport someone if they aren't in custody, and California wasn't going to use resources to go back out and find him. </quote> So why didn't the Feds use their resources to go back out and find him?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bloodychess 12/01/17 9:42:50 AM #39:	TsC_PoLiTiKz posted... Bloodychess posted... JE19426 posted... Bloodychess posted... The fact that he was supposed to be deported for selling weed but had all charges dropped at the last second proves how stupid Cali is How? California doesn't decide who gets deported. But he was detained for selling weed. When the feds found out he was illegal and recommended deportation, Cali decided to drop the charges and release him. Can't deport someone if they aren't in custody, and California wasn't going to use resources to go back out and find him. Really, he should have never been released back to the Public Yeah, I'm sure California would love to spend their tax dollars hunting down a man who smuggled in a legal substance. Marijuana won't be legal in California for another month, try again --- Sweet dreams are made of cheese Who am I to diss a brie? <cite>Bloodychess posted [p:891389795] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>TsC_PoLiTiKz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Bloodychess posted...</cite> <quote>The fact that he was supposed to be deported for selling weed but had all charges dropped at the last second proves how stupid Cali is</quote> How? California doesn't decide who gets deported.</quote> But he was detained for selling weed. When the feds found out he was illegal and recommended deportation, Cali decided to drop the charges and release him. Can't deport someone if they aren't in custody, and California wasn't going to use resources to go back out and find him. Really, he should have never been released back to the Public</quote> Yeah, I'm sure California would love to spend their tax dollars hunting down a man who smuggled in a legal substance.</quote> Marijuana won't be legal in California for another month, try again</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
muchdran 12/01/17 9:44:46 AM #40:	Someone died because of a sanctuary city. --- If liberals didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have standards at all. <cite>muchdran posted [p:891389877] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote>Someone died because of a sanctuary city.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fuzzylittlbunny 12/01/17 9:46:18 AM #41:	Jeezum crow, after 5 deportations you would think they would just lock him up already. Boot him out and he'll just come back illegally time and time again. --- ( ^_^)/\(^_^ ) Maya high five! <cite>fuzzylittlbunny posted [p:891389945] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote>Jeezum crow, after 5 deportations you would think they would just lock him up already. Boot him out and he'll just come back illegally time and time again.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnragedSlith 12/01/17 9:52:44 AM #42:	The prosecution lost to a public defender. An overworked and underpaid employee of the state. They may have failed in jury selection or presenting their case, or maybe there just wasnt enough evidence for a conviction. I mean, I think its bullshit from what Ive read. A convicted felon just happened to find a gun and it just happened to go off? Might not have been intentional, but I have no idea how you dont pin him for manslaughter. Not that anything would bring their daughter back. Its just sad. --- You gotta fly like an eagle and not.b... be like a turkey <cite>EnragedSlith posted [p:891390178] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote>The prosecution lost to a public defender. An overworked and underpaid employee of the state. They may have failed in jury selection or presenting their case, or maybe there just wasnt enough evidence for a conviction. I mean, I think its bullshit from what Ive read. A convicted felon just happened to find a gun and it just happened to go off? Might not have been intentional, but I have no idea how you dont pin him for manslaughter. Not that anything would bring their daughter back. Its just sad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution998 12/01/17 10:10:56 AM #43:	muchdran posted... Someone died because of a sanctuary city. It's OK. As long as your skin color isn't white and you're an illegal, then you're always a victim. --- The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poli' meaning many, and the word 'ticks' meaning blood sucking parasites. <cite>Caution998 posted [p:891390921] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>muchdran posted...</cite> <quote>Someone died because of a sanctuary city.</quote> It's OK. As long as your skin color isn't white and you're an illegal, then you're always a victim.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 12/01/17 10:15:19 AM #44:	DifferentialEquation posted... If only Zimmerman had been an illegal immigrant, then the left would have accepted the verdict of the jury instead of still crying about it to this day. Guarantee the same people that are okay with this verdict because the jury knew best are the first ones to bitch about Zimmerman or any cop that is acquitted by the same means. <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:891391093] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>If only Zimmerman had been an illegal immigrant, then the left would have accepted the verdict of the jury instead of still crying about it to this day.</quote> Guarantee the same people that are okay with this verdict because the jury knew best are the first ones to bitch about Zimmerman or any cop that is acquitted by the same means.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
cjsdowg 12/01/17 10:16:28 AM #45:	_RETS_ posted... Guarantee the same people that are okay with this verdict because the jury knew best are the first ones to b** about Zimmerman or any cop that is acquitted by the same means. Guarantee the same people that are mad with this verdict because the jury knew best are the first ones to cheer about Zimmerman or any cop that is acquitted by the same means. --- Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives? <cite>cjsdowg posted [p:891391139] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote> Guarantee the same people that are okay with this verdict because the jury knew best are the first ones to b** about Zimmerman or any cop that is acquitted by the same means.</quote> Guarantee the same people that are mad with this verdict because the jury knew best are the first ones to cheer about Zimmerman or any cop that is acquitted by the same means.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 12/01/17 10:18:51 AM #46:	EnragedSlith posted... I mean, I think its bullshit from what Ive read. A convicted felon just happened to find a gun and it just happened to go off? Might not have been intentional, but I have no idea how you dont pin him for manslaughter. This is the competing argument, though: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/08/the-death-of-kate-steinle-and-the-rise-of-donald-trump.html During preliminary hearings and in public statements about the case, prosecutor Diana Garcia has argued that Garcia Zarate did shoot Steinle intentionally. This was no accident, she told the court in September 2015. He had in his hands an instrument of death and he used it. She suggested that Garcia Zarate had executed a skip shot in which he was aiming the gun at the victim or the area of the victim, and the bullet skipped off the cement of the pier and hit the victim in the back. The prosecutor added that Steinle was his target, and that Garcia Zarate was playing his own version of Russian roulette. (The district attorneys office would not discuss the case with me on the record.) The prosecution argued in court that this guy pulled a fucking bankshot murder from 100 feet away --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:891391227] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>EnragedSlith posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, I think its bullshit from what Ive read. A convicted felon just happened to find a gun and it just happened to go off? Might not have been intentional, but I have no idea how you dont pin him for manslaughter. </quote> This is the competing argument, though: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/08/the-death-of-kate-steinle-and-the-rise-of-donald-trump.html <quote>During preliminary hearings and in public statements about the case, prosecutor Diana Garcia has argued that Garcia Zarate did shoot Steinle intentionally. This was no accident, she told the court in September 2015. He had in his hands an instrument of death and he used it. She suggested that Garcia Zarate had executed a skip shot in which he was aiming the gun at the victim or the area of the victim, and the bullet skipped off the cement of the pier and hit the victim in the back. The prosecutor added that Steinle was his target, and that Garcia Zarate was playing his own version of Russian roulette. (The district attorneys office would not discuss the case with me on the record.)</quote> The prosecution argued in court that this guy pulled a fucking bankshot murder from 100 feet away</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 12/01/17 10:19:34 AM #47:	cjsdowg posted... _RETS_ posted... Guarantee the same people that are okay with this verdict because the jury knew best are the first ones to b** about Zimmerman or any cop that is acquitted by the same means. Guarantee the same people that are mad with this verdict because the jury knew best are the first ones to cheer about Zimmerman or any cop that is acquitted by the same means. Zimmerman didn't break any laws. This guy did. But you love defending criminals, so of course that doesn't matter to you. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:891391257] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote> Guarantee the same people that are okay with this verdict because the jury knew best are the first ones to b** about Zimmerman or any cop that is acquitted by the same means.</quote> Guarantee the same people that are mad with this verdict because the jury knew best are the first ones to cheer about Zimmerman or any cop that is acquitted by the same means.</quote> Zimmerman didn't break any laws. This guy did. But you love defending criminals, so of course that doesn't matter to you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caution998 12/01/17 10:20:26 AM #48:	How come nobody is crying about gun control when your golden illegal alien does this? --- The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poli' meaning many, and the word 'ticks' meaning blood sucking parasites. <cite>Caution998 posted [p:891391301] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote>How come nobody is crying about gun control when your golden illegal alien does this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 12/01/17 10:21:48 AM #49:	Caution998 posted... How come nobody is crying about gun control when your golden illegal alien does this? Well, seeing as he didn't have the gun legally in the first place, what gun control measure would have prevented this? --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:891391357] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>Caution998 posted...</cite> <quote>How come nobody is crying about gun control when your golden illegal alien does this?</quote> Well, seeing as he didn't have the gun legally in the first place, what gun control measure would have prevented this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_RETS_ 12/01/17 10:22:15 AM #50:	darkjedilink posted... cjsdowg posted... _RETS_ posted... Guarantee the same people that are okay with this verdict because the jury knew best are the first ones to b** about Zimmerman or any cop that is acquitted by the same means. Guarantee the same people that are mad with this verdict because the jury knew best are the first ones to cheer about Zimmerman or any cop that is acquitted by the same means. Zimmerman didn't break any laws. This guy did. But you love defending criminals, so of course that doesn't matter to you. What are you talking about? Where did I defend a criminal? <cite>_RETS_ posted [p:891391373] in Mexican Il... [t:76048865]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>cjsdowg posted...</cite> <quote><cite>_RETS_ posted...</cite> <quote> Guarantee the same people that are okay with this verdict because the jury knew best are the first ones to b** about Zimmerman or any cop that is acquitted by the same means.</quote> Guarantee the same people that are mad with this verdict because the jury knew best are the first ones to cheer about Zimmerman or any cop that is acquitted by the same means.</quote> Zimmerman didn't break any laws. This guy did. But you love defending criminals, so of course that doesn't matter to you.</quote> What are you talking about? Where did I defend a criminal?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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