Current Events > Illegal immigrant acquited in murder of Kate Steinle

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ThePrinceFish
11/30/17 7:39:34 PM
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Not even involuntary manslaughter. Only convicted of illegal possession of a firearm.

http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/11/30/kate-steinle-shooting-jury-reaches-verdict/

Absolute miscarriage of justice.
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NeonOctopus
11/30/17 7:42:49 PM
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Capn Circus
11/30/17 7:45:08 PM
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San Francisco. No surprises there.
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ThePrinceFish
11/30/17 7:45:26 PM
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Every one of those jurors should be ashamed of themselves. San Francisco is such a political cesspool.
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ChemicalX
11/30/17 7:46:06 PM
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Sanctuary Cities smdh
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Antifar
11/30/17 7:47:43 PM
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Familiarize yourself with the details of the case, and it's pretty easy to see why they couldn't get a homicide conviction

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/08/the-death-of-kate-steinle-and-the-rise-of-donald-trump.html

Garcia Zarate did not know Kate Steinle. He had no known motive to murder her on the pier that day. Most significantly, the shot that struck Steinle in the back hadnt been aimed at her or anyone else.

Both the prosecution and the defense acknowledge that the bullet that killed Steinle had first ricocheted off the pier. According to testimony from a preliminary hearing, that bullet appears to have hit the ground 12 to 15 feet in front of where Garcia Zarate was sitting, then bounced off the pavement and traveled an estimated 90 feet farther before killing Steinle.

You couldnt do this on purpose, James Norris, the former head of the San Francisco Police Departments crime lab, told the court as a witness for the defense at one of Garcia Zarates preliminary hearings in San Francisco Superior Court. (Norris also says the bullet likely hit the ground just three feet in front of where Garcia Zarate was sitting.)

In an interview, Norris told me that, given the path of the bullet, it was impossible that Garcia Zarate had tried to shoot Steinle on purpose. Craig Fries, a forensics expert who is not involved in the Steinle case but has been testifying for 20 years on ballistics trajectory analysis, told me he agreed that Steinles killing was likely unintentional. It would be highly unlikely that anybody could predict the path of that bullet with enough accuracy to strike somebody, he said, adding that this is not the way that somebody would try to shoot somebody, just based on common sense.

During preliminary hearings and in public statements about the case, prosecutor Diana Garcia has argued that Garcia Zarate did shoot Steinle intentionally. This was no accident, she told the court in September 2015. He had in his hands an instrument of death and he used it. She suggested that Garcia Zarate had executed a skip shot in which he was aiming the gun at the victim or the area of the victim, and the bullet skipped off the cement of the pier and hit the victim in the back. The prosecutor added that Steinle was his target, and that Garcia Zarate was playing his own version of Russian roulette. (The district attorneys office would not discuss the case with me on the record.)

In an interview with the local ABC News affiliate four days after the shooting, Garcia Zarate said hed been on sleeping pills and couldnt remember exactly what hed done but that he was sure the shooting was an accident. He proffered this idea that he may have been shooting at seals, but even the police officers dont believe it, Matt Gonzalez, Garcia Zarates lawyer, said during a preliminary hearing. [He was] trying to put out an [accidental] explanation for what happened because he doesnt understand American jurisprudence.

Garcia Zarates story is plausible. While on drugs, he could have picked up a gun wrapped in a shirt, and that gun could have gone off by accident. The SIG Sauer weapon that killed Steinle is a favorite of law enforcement on account of its quick-shooting capacity. If Mr. [Garcia Zarate] encountered this weapon when it was cocked and loaded [in whats known as single-action mode] its pretty easy for this thing to just go off, ballistics expert James Norris told me. In an op-ed for the San Francisco Examiner last month, Gonzalez listed dozens of cases in which law enforcement officers have accidentally discharged a SIG Sauer. In 2014, a federal air marshal in New Jersey accidentally shot himself. In 2015 in Pennsylvania, a state trooper and firearms instructor accidentally killed another trooper during safety training. This year in Michigan, a sheriffs deputy accidentally shot a schoolteacher in the neck.

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Neoconkers
11/30/17 7:49:24 PM
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overzealous prosecution did this
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Mikablu
11/30/17 7:52:37 PM
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Antifar posted...
In an interview, Norris told me that, given the path of the bullet, it was impossible that Garcia Zarate had tried to shoot Steinle on purpose.

How the fuck does that even work? The path of the bullet is the same whether it was on purpose or not.
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CruelBuffalo
11/30/17 7:53:38 PM
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Bullet_Wing posted...
Antifar, that's still deserving of involuntary manslaughter though. I really think that the political involvement in this case screwed the results.


Its definitely not murder, but I think involuntary manslaughter is a good verdict had he pulled the trigger on purpose.

Wasnt it reported he unwrapped some item and it turned out to be a gun and it went out during unwrappinng
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Antifar
11/30/17 7:54:10 PM
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Mikablu posted...

How the fuck does that even work? The path of the bullet is the same whether it was on purpose or not.

A homicide conviction requires intent
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CruelBuffalo
11/30/17 7:54:16 PM
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Mikablu posted...
Antifar posted...
In an interview, Norris told me that, given the path of the bullet, it was impossible that Garcia Zarate had tried to shoot Steinle on purpose.

How the fuck does that even work? The path of the bullet is the same whether it was on purpose or not.


Because it was a ricochet so he wasnt trying to murder her so murder is a stupid charge?
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Lonestar2000
11/30/17 7:55:06 PM
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It's disgusting how liberals are pro-illegal immigrants.
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A_Good_Boy
11/30/17 7:55:12 PM
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Mikablu posted...
Antifar posted...
In an interview, Norris told me that, given the path of the bullet, it was impossible that Garcia Zarate had tried to shoot Steinle on purpose.

How the fuck does that even work? The path of the bullet is the same whether it was on purpose or not.

The article in the OP suggests that the model of firearm he had was notoriously prone to misfiring and the bullet's trajectory shows it ricocheting 70 feet before it hit her body. So Idk man.
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Mikablu
11/30/17 7:56:24 PM
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Fair enough, then. I missed the part where they said it was a ricochet.
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Vaati_Reborn
11/30/17 7:56:44 PM
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so you can get away with killing people by being on drugs and shooting randomly at the ground?
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SapphireOfChaos
11/30/17 7:56:51 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Mikablu posted...
Antifar posted...
In an interview, Norris told me that, given the path of the bullet, it was impossible that Garcia Zarate had tried to shoot Steinle on purpose.

How the fuck does that even work? The path of the bullet is the same whether it was on purpose or not.


Because it was a ricochet so he wasnt trying to murder her so murder is a stupid charge?

They were charging him with manslaughter, not murder.
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CruelBuffalo
11/30/17 7:58:23 PM
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SapphireOfChaos posted...
CruelBuffalo posted...
Mikablu posted...
Antifar posted...
In an interview, Norris told me that, given the path of the bullet, it was impossible that Garcia Zarate had tried to shoot Steinle on purpose.

How the fuck does that even work? The path of the bullet is the same whether it was on purpose or not.


Because it was a ricochet so he wasnt trying to murder her so murder is a stupid charge?

They were charging him with manslaughter, not murder.


And that specific part was refuting a murder charge. Involuntary part you would need to prove he knew he was unwrapping a gun and was careless that he new.
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Joeydollaz
11/30/17 7:59:46 PM
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The jury, which includes three immigrants,
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Schwarber
11/30/17 8:01:01 PM
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UrCa1988
11/30/17 8:01:11 PM
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Joeydollaz posted...
The jury, which includes three immigrants,

You do realize jurors need to be unanimous to convict, right?
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A_Good_Boy
11/30/17 8:01:23 PM
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Joeydollaz posted...
The jury, which includes three immigrants,

3>9?
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CruelBuffalo
11/30/17 8:02:37 PM
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Joeydollaz posted...
The jury, which includes three immigrants,


You also realize they are LEGAL immigrants right?
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Zikten
11/30/17 8:02:47 PM
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so wait? he killed her, but he got away with it cause of people not liking Trump and wanting to stick it to him?
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iamintents
11/30/17 8:02:53 PM
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Joeydollaz posted...
The jury, which includes three immigrants,

Herp derp
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CruelBuffalo
11/30/17 8:03:05 PM
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Zikten posted...
so wait? he killed her, but he got away with it cause of people not liking Trump and wanting to stick it to him?


Nope. Learn2read
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Zikten
11/30/17 8:04:31 PM
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I'm just going off the headline, and what someone said in this topic about politics. didn't read the link
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Schwarber
11/30/17 8:04:32 PM
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Joeydollaz posted...
The jury, which includes three immigrants,


Jury of your peers. Problem?
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Anteaterking
11/30/17 8:05:13 PM
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Zikten posted...
so wait? he killed her, but he got away with it cause of people not liking Trump and wanting to stick it to him?


I mean, if all you heard was "Illegal immigrant found not guilty", assumed he was actually guilty, and then concocted the rest of the details so we get your idiotic take, then yeah that's probably it.
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Schwarber
11/30/17 8:06:18 PM
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Zitken going into an argument without the facts? This is unprecidented.
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ShadowStarEdge
11/30/17 8:06:25 PM
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Zikten posted...
I'm just going off the headline, and what someone said in this topic about politics. didn't read the link


Maybe you should read before making dumb posts
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KazumaKiryu
11/30/17 8:06:36 PM
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How is this possible? He fucking killed her. He's an illegal fucking alien... He shouldn't have ever had a trial. Is this real life?
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Zikten
11/30/17 8:06:57 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
I mean, if all you heard was "Illegal immigrant found not guilty", assumed he was actually guilty, and then concocted the rest of the details so we get your idiotic take, then yeah that's probably it.

the people in this topic and the excerpts I saw posted make it seem like the guy is guilty of manslaughter. it doesn't matter if he didn't mean to do it.
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Anteaterking
11/30/17 8:07:55 PM
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KazumaKiryu posted...
How is this possible? He f***ing killed her. He's an illegal f***ing alien... He shouldn't have ever had a trial. Is this real life?


He shouldn't have a trial? What do you think should have happened?
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Bio1590
11/30/17 8:08:32 PM
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Zikten posted...
I'm just going off the headline, and what someone said in this topic about politics. didn't read the link

WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS FUCKING LIKE THIS

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU
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LArcEnCieIX
11/30/17 8:09:40 PM
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KazumaKiryu posted...
How is this possible? He fucking killed her. He's an illegal fucking alien... He shouldn't have ever had a trial. Is this real life?


haw haw. that's what you get lmao
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DarthAragorn
11/30/17 8:09:48 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
KazumaKiryu posted...
How is this possible? He f***ing killed her. He's an illegal f***ing alien... He shouldn't have ever had a trial. Is this real life?


He shouldn't have a trial? What do you think should have happened?

Send him back
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Zikten
11/30/17 8:10:13 PM
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Bio1590 posted...
Zikten posted...
I'm just going off the headline, and what someone said in this topic about politics. didn't read the link

WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS FUCKING LIKE THIS

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU

don't burst a blood vessel. you'll live longer if you calm down
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CruelBuffalo
11/30/17 8:11:06 PM
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Are you sure you want to ignore this user? All of their posts will become hidden from your view if you do so.
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Rob Cesternino
11/30/17 8:11:50 PM
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And this is why we need Donald Trump.

BUILD THAT WALL! BUILD THAT WALL! BUILD THAT WALL!
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Roxborough4Ever
11/30/17 8:12:09 PM
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i remember when it was called "Alex Jones Bullshit" when it was shown time and time again illegals get away with drunk driving and murder......and look, its happening again and people still dont want to believe it....they are calling this "conspiracy"
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Anteaterking
11/30/17 8:13:08 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
Send him back


If he murdered someone you'd rather he get sent back to Mexico over going to jail?
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CarlGrimes
11/30/17 8:18:31 PM
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Vaati_Reborn posted...
so you can get away with killing people by being on drugs and shooting randomly at the ground?

Only if you are an illegal immigrant.
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Schwarber
11/30/17 8:19:45 PM
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Why not just be a cop and get a free pass to shoot whoever if that's your angle
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Freddie_Mercury
11/30/17 8:22:01 PM
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when did right wingers start caring about accidental shootings
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hollow_shrine
11/30/17 8:26:06 PM
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Zikten posted...
Bio1590 posted...
Zikten posted...
I'm just going off the headline, and what someone said in this topic about politics. didn't read the link

WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS FUCKING LIKE THIS

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU

don't burst a blood vessel. you'll live longer if you calm down

No, I think you fucked up here and need to acknowledge it and do better going forward. You didn't really have a leg to stand on.
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XplodnPnguins92
11/30/17 9:11:45 PM
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if it was the other way around, san francisco would be bursting with outrage. absolutely disgusting. the criminal was deported five times and still came back to the united states.

#buildthewall
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Rob Cesternino
11/30/17 9:13:51 PM
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XplodnPnguins92 posted...
if it was the other way around, san francisco would be bursting with outrage. absolutely disgusting. the criminal was deported five times and still came back to the united states.

#buildthewall


This. If it was a white woman that shot a gun at a mexican man, she would've gotten a death sentence.
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