Current Events > NBC fires Matt Lauer for sexual harassment accusation!

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http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/29/media/matt-lauer/index.html

Matt Lauer was fired from NBC News on Wednesday after an employee filed a complaint about "inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace," the network announced.

Savannah Guthrie made the announcement at the top of the "Today" show, where Lauer has been an anchor for two decades.

NBC News chairman Andrew Lack said in a memo to staff that it was the first complaint lodged against Lauer in his career at the network. But he said "we were also presented with reason to believe this may not have been an isolated incident."

Another one
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This topic is better than vegy's.
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Just heard. Wow.

The great purge of 2017 claims another
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inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace

Such as......?

Usually these articles describe what the offense actually was.
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Hope there was evidence and not just an accusation
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How come liberals punish dem while conservatives vote for dem
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https://www.today.com/video/matt-lauer-has-been-terminated-from-nbc-news-1105840707690

Another one bites the dust
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Damn Matt laurer is a creep? Sad world we live in
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We live in a time where you can get anyone canned. Maube someone will bring down jimmy Fallon next or maybe an odd ball like betty white
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RE_expert44 posted...

We live in a time where you can get anyone canned. Maube someone will bring down jimmy Fallon next or maybe an odd ball like betty white

Betty White's whole TV persona as an old lady has been sexually harassing people, yet she gets a free pass.

In the current me too climate no man is safe, all a woman has to do is say somebody harassed them to get him sacked.

To be frank it's a moral panic going on ATM.

Daaaaaammmn. Not even Matt Lauer is immune to this. Good on NBC for being quick about it.

If you're a man in the public sphere, you had better make sure your hands are clean or else your days are numbered.
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Newhopes posted...

In the current me too climate no man is safe, all a woman has to do is say somebody harassed them to get him sacked.

V-E-G-Y- posted...

How come liberals punish dem while conservatives vote for dem

Millions of liberals voted for Hillary and slick willy last year.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Hope there was evidence and not just an accusation

The evidence is the woman's claims.

Ammonitida posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Hope there was evidence and not just an accusation

The evidence is the woman's claims.

That really isn't evidence. Anyone can claim sexual harassment, but without proof or investigation it's just "he said/she said".
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Not even a review or investigation. Someone decides they have an axe to grind all they have to do is claim sexual harassment and someone's career is over and their name sullied.Troubling.

If there is proof then they shouldn't sit on it, put it out there.
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Ammonitida posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Hope there was evidence and not just an accusation

The evidence is the woman's claims.

An edgy yet very disconcerting response.
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Ammonitida posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Hope there was evidence and not just an accusation

The evidence is the woman's claims.

Surely you realize how dangerous that is. What if your female co-worker accused you of raping her when you've never touched her? Is the claim evidence?

Makes me remember the South Park episode where the girls go crazy for Matt Lauer

Ballstopshere posted...

Makes me remember the South Park episode where the girls go crazy for Matt Lauer

Oddly enough he did actually have a notable approval rating among older female viewers for a balding tv host. This must have felt like a punch to their boobs...
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KazumaKiryu posted...

Ammonitida posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Hope there was evidence and not just an accusation

The evidence is the woman's claims.

Surely you realize how dangerous that is. What if your female co-worker accused you of raping her when you've never touched her? Is the claim evidence?

Thats exactly the point he is making. While it is beneficial and empowering for people (not just women) to come out about their abuse/harassment, the recent string of claims gives way for people to do it without evidence. Im in no way trying to justify criminals, but if someone is canned just because someone wants to jump on the abuse train it can be just as egregious as the actual crime. Both scenarios can ruin the lives of an individual.
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There was another story the other day of one of these writers from one of the news sites, I don't remember his name or who he wrote for, The Hill or Politico or something. He's suspended because his female co-worker ratted him out.

The story goes that they were drinking together at a bar, and at one point he put his hand on her knee and leaned in for a kiss.

She refused his advance and that was it, they went on their way. He didn't force himself on her at all.

That kind of story is just so scary. Like, isn't that how this is supposed to work? If he was drinking with her at a bar and he tries to make a move, is he a harasser? It paints this picture of a really bleak future.

Yup. I am only 22 and I feel like in my age group there is less fear of that sort of thing, but its still there. With those closer in the 30 age group range, I can see people being more open to label things as harassment due to the news.

From a man approaching a woman perspective, men are generally expected to make the first move and such. This doesnt mean being abusive, but it does involve scenarios like the bar one TC described. At some point the physical barrier has to be broken. What if the woman was sending mixed signals? What if the man wasnt understanding the signals? Either way that part isnt the problem, because thats just how relationships work. Some people click and some dont. Its her reaction to it thats scary. It seems the man stopped his advances after being rejected like a respectable person. Yet he still gets in trouble.
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KazumaKiryu posted...

Ammonitida posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Hope there was evidence and not just an accusation

The evidence is the woman's claims.

Surely you realize how dangerous that is. What if your female co-worker accused you of raping her when you've never touched her? Is the claim evidence?

People all the time are convicted in a court of law on the testimony of a single person. This is often true in rape cases which typically don't have anything else besides victim testimony as evidence.

A prosecutor will weigh the accounts of both the accused and accuser and decide who is more credible. If the accused starts telling multiple, inconsistent stories while the accuser tells a consistent story then the DA will have a strong case against the accused. I've seen rape convictions obtained simply because the guy at first denied having sex with the girl, and then when he was confronted with DNA evidence suggesting otherwise, change his story to reflect that. There goes his credibility.

Haha hahaha. Please tell me Anderson Pooper is next
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Ammonitida posted...

KazumaKiryu posted...

Ammonitida posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Hope there was evidence and not just an accusation

The evidence is the woman's claims.

Surely you realize how dangerous that is. What if your female co-worker accused you of raping her when you've never touched her? Is the claim evidence?

People all the time are convicted in a court of law on the testimony of a single person. This is often true in rape cases which typically don't have anything else besides victim testimony as evidence.

A prosecutor will weigh the accounts of both the accused and accuser and decide who is more credible. If the accused starts telling multiple, inconsistent stories while the accuser tells a consistent story then the DA will have a strong case against the accused. I've seen rape convictions obtained simply because the guy at first denied having sex with the girl, and then when he was confronted with DNA evidence suggesting otherwise, change his story to reflect that. There goes his credibility.

But that means they had evidence other than her testimony. If they had no DNA evidence that wouldn't have happened
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I found the story, it's Glenn Thrush from the New York Times.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/20/business/media/glenn-thrush-sexual-misconduct.html

Ammonitida posted...

People all the time are convicted in a court of law on the testimony of a single person.

A court isn't going to convict somebody just because she said so. The burden of proof is high in criminal cases. You need actual evidence and witness testimony otherwise it will be 1600's Winston-Salem all over again.
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ClockworkHare posted...

Ballstopshere posted...

Makes me remember the South Park episode where the girls go crazy for Matt Lauer

Oddly enough he did actually have a notable approval rating among older female viewers for a balding tv host. This must have felt like a punch to their boobs...

Hey now that's below the belt
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Sounds like the whole story isn't out yet, but he's been under investigation for months and I think it'd have to be a pretty strong accusation for them to pull the trigger that quickly.
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eston posted...

Sounds like the whole story isn't out yet, but he's been under investigation for months and I think it'd have to be a pretty strong accusation for them to pull the trigger that quickly.

They just got the report on Monday.

KazumaKiryu posted...

They just got the report on Monday.

I saw that, which is why I think these must be some pretty strong and credible accusations. This is the first formal complaint against him in 20 years, there's no way the network would make this decision lightly
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Guilty until proven innocent wins again.
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thronedfire2 posted...

Ammonitida posted...

KazumaKiryu posted...

Ammonitida posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Hope there was evidence and not just an accusation

The evidence is the woman's claims.

Surely you realize how dangerous that is. What if your female co-worker accused you of raping her when you've never touched her? Is the claim evidence?

People all the time are convicted in a court of law on the testimony of a single person. This is often true in rape cases which typically don't have anything else besides victim testimony as evidence.

A prosecutor will weigh the accounts of both the accused and accuser and decide who is more credible. If the accused starts telling multiple, inconsistent stories while the accuser tells a consistent story then the DA will have a strong case against the accused. I've seen rape convictions obtained simply because the guy at first denied having sex with the girl, and then when he was confronted with DNA evidence suggesting otherwise, change his story to reflect that. There goes his credibility.

But that means they had evidence other than her testimony. If they had no DNA evidence that wouldn't have happened

In a case like that, DNA evidence is just proof of sex, not of rape. It still hinges on victim testimony.

Eh. Congratulations to all the liberals that have created the conditions now where all you need is one woman to make a single accusation without any proof, with no investigation and even years removed to get someone fired. And now watching it biting them in their own ass is rather amusing.
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@Ammonitida likes the color red and has it painted all over his room. He lives with his parents and does not have any friends, was in an awful relationship and had a nasty break up. Because of this, he never leaves his room and does not shower. The point in trying to make is that he is a stinky man.

This is not evidence of you being stinky or doing/going through the things I said you did. This is character defamation.

Another man sunk by female lies
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EternalDivide posted...

Eh. Congratulations to all the liberals that have created the conditions now where all you need is one woman to make a single accusation without any proof, with no investigation and even years removed to get someone fired. And now watching it biting them in their own ass is rather amusing.

True
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Billy Bush should replace him
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KStateKing17 posted...

Ammonitida posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

Hope there was evidence and not just an accusation

The evidence is the woman's claims.

That really isn't evidence. Anyone can claim sexual harassment, but without proof or investigation it's just "he said/she said".

That's what the court of public opinion is for.
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Yeah, this was a surprise to wake up to.
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Cocytus posted...

Newhopes posted...

In the current me too climate no man is safe, all a woman has to do is say somebody harassed them to get him sacked.

seriously though, what power are we giving to women? Just filing an accusation can get you fired? The fuck?
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NBC's statement says they had reason to believe this was not an isolated incident
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I'm starting to feel like this was just so accepted in Hollywood that guys who would never do something like this felt like they'd get away with it and just said what the fuck, why not
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