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Inviso
11/28/17 7:53:20 PM
#353:


Corrik posted...
DeepsPraw posted...
Corrik posted...
So should people stop kneeling during the anthem when there is empirical evidence that it offends millions of Americans?


no, because believe it or not, the intent of kneeling is not to piss off patriotic Americans.

Doing something directly against how you are supposed to honor the flag is not pissing people off that it sumbolizes and stands for?

I bet if you are told you are not supposed to talk in a court while the judge is speaking that if he tells you to stop talking and that you are gonna say you can talk if you want because you are not intending to disrespect him?


Guess what Corrik. The flag and the anthem represent Americans, and the people kneeling are...*drumroll* Americans! You're the one using veterans and soldiers as props to make your "side" look like the "good guys". WAY more disrespectful than kneeling.
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DeepsPraw
11/28/17 7:56:16 PM
#354:


Corrik posted...
Doing something directly against how you are supposed to honor the flag is not pissing people off that it sumbolizes and stands for?


It IS pissing people off, but that's just a side effect. It's not the reason kneelers kneel
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Eddv
11/28/17 7:58:38 PM
#355:


DeepsPraw posted...
Corrik posted...
So should people stop kneeling during the anthem when there is empirical evidence that it offends millions of Americans?


no, because believe it or not, the intent of kneeling is not to piss off patriotic Americans.


Ironically its to get people talking about violence against black people which literally does now get brought up every time someone like corrik throws this particular tantrum.

Whats hilarious is the movement had basically died out before Trump said "they should fire Kaepernick" while Kaep waa currently unemployed.

Trump the secret progressive here.
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ChaosTonyV4
11/28/17 8:09:54 PM
#356:


CelesMyUserName posted...
jesus christ nobody is saying it's inherently a slur


Seriously.

I saw a post on Facebook that had thousands of shares that was like hurrr Libt**** am I not supposed to call the childrens movie by its name??

And I dont understand how someone could possibly miss the point so fuckin hard.
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StealThisSheen
11/28/17 8:16:59 PM
#357:


I don't know how many times I specifically typed "Using it in this way" and yet still get accused of saying it's inherently a slur

Can people not read or something

I mean, we know Corrik can't read, but...
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FFDragon
11/28/17 8:27:07 PM
#358:


not bothering to read the past six hours and just assume

FFDragon posted...
more like because these have become the 'circular argument containment topics'

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Kenri
11/28/17 8:46:31 PM
#359:


Corrik posted...
I bet if you are told you are not supposed to talk in a court while the judge is speaking that if he tells you to stop talking and that you are gonna say you can talk if you want because you are not intending to disrespect him?

Correct. You'll get in trouble because that's like, contempt of court, but you can absolutely do it and who is disrespecting whom depends on the circumstances.
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Corrik
11/28/17 9:22:31 PM
#360:


Eddv posted...
DeepsPraw posted...
Corrik posted...
So should people stop kneeling during the anthem when there is empirical evidence that it offends millions of Americans?


no, because believe it or not, the intent of kneeling is not to piss off patriotic Americans.


Ironically its to get people talking about violence against black people which literally does now get brought up every time someone like corrik throws this particular tantrum.

Whats hilarious is the movement had basically died out before Trump said "they should fire Kaepernick" while Kaep waa currently unemployed.

Trump the secret progressive here.

Literally no one at all talks about that. They talk about disrespecting the flag. lol
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Corrik
11/28/17 9:24:09 PM
#361:


Someone here is already argued if I say that something offends me and I tell you not to do it and you do it again that you are a racist already.

I mean at what point does your racism jockeying end?
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StealThisSheen
11/28/17 9:27:18 PM
#362:


Corrik posted...
Someone here is already argued if I say that something offends me and I tell you not to do it and you do it again that you are a racist already.

I mean at what point does your racism jockeying end?


Nobody said this, sorry
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Corrik
11/28/17 9:28:55 PM
#363:


StealThisSheen posted...
Corrik posted...
Someone here is already argued if I say that something offends me and I tell you not to do it and you do it again that you are a racist already.

I mean at what point does your racism jockeying end?


Nobody said this, sorry

Nope. Absolutely was said. If the Native American spokesperson says they view it as a racial slur and you do it again you are a racist was absolutely said.

This applied to every situation is just stupidity and says exactly what I said above.

We also in addition to this have people who said only white people can be racist.

And, that you can turn your skin color from Black to White based on whether you exhibit racism.

I mean, the sheer insane comments coming from the liberal base lately is astronomical.
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Inviso
11/28/17 9:30:47 PM
#364:


Corrik, why are you, a white man unaffected by the slur in question, allowed to decide what ISN'T a slur, but the actual people offended by the slur can't decide it IS a slur?
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StealThisSheen
11/28/17 9:31:41 PM
#365:


Corrik posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Corrik posted...
Someone here is already argued if I say that something offends me and I tell you not to do it and you do it again that you are a racist already.

I mean at what point does your racism jockeying end?


Nobody said this, sorry

Nope. Absolutely was said. If the Native American spokesperson says they view it as a racial slur and you do it again you are a racist was absolutely said.

This applied to every situation is just stupidity and says exactly what I said above.

We also in addition to this have people who said only white people can be racist.

And, that you can turn your skin color from Black to White based on whether you exhibit racism.

I mean, the sheer insane comments coming from the liberal base lately is astronomical.


People explaining how using a highly respected figure of their people as a grade school insult is offensive to them as a people is not the same as "Someone here is already argued if I say that something offends me and I tell you not to do it and you do it again that you are a racist already. "

I'm so sorry you can't understand. Can you read well? Does your head hurt?

Maybe you should start a gofundme

I think you need help =(
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Corrik
11/28/17 9:32:48 PM
#366:


StealThisSheen posted...
Corrik posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Corrik posted...
Someone here is already argued if I say that something offends me and I tell you not to do it and you do it again that you are a racist already.

I mean at what point does your racism jockeying end?


Nobody said this, sorry

Nope. Absolutely was said. If the Native American spokesperson says they view it as a racial slur and you do it again you are a racist was absolutely said.

This applied to every situation is just stupidity and says exactly what I said above.

We also in addition to this have people who said only white people can be racist.

And, that you can turn your skin color from Black to White based on whether you exhibit racism.

I mean, the sheer insane comments coming from the liberal base lately is astronomical.


People explaining how using a highly respected figure of their people as a grade school insult is offensive to them as a people is not the same as "Someone here is already argued if I say that something offends me and I tell you not to do it and you do it again that you are a racist already. "

I'm so sorry you can't understand. Can you read well? Does your head hurt?

Maybe you should start a gofundme

I think you need help =(

You can donate to me if you wish to. I mean, you might as well donate to me instead of some Nigerian Prince which I assume you are donating to with this level of common sense you are displaying.
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StealThisSheen
11/28/17 9:36:40 PM
#367:


I'm so sorry this is so hard for you. =\
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StealThisSheen
11/28/17 9:38:25 PM
#368:


On a serious note, remember that Corrik was one of the ones getting up in arms about defacing statues and monuments and such because of the disrespect, but is belittling Native Americans being upset about their historic figures being disrespected.
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Eddv
11/28/17 9:51:06 PM
#369:


Corrik posted...
Let's say a black Senator was like I am in a position of power so I am now a white person and no longer mark African american anymore on the census and I mark Caucasian (lol stupidity)... And Trump calls her Cinderella.


Let me just ask - do you think he is calling Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas mockingly because he is reminded of Pocahontases qualities of courage in the face of societal expectations and not because of her native heritage?
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Maniac64
11/28/17 10:13:11 PM
#370:


Corrik posted...
Let's say a black Senator was like I am in a position of power so I am now a white person and no longer mark African american anymore on the census and I mark Caucasian (lol stupidity)... And Trump calls her Cinderella.

The problem is if you ask people to tell you about Cinderella they probably won't use "white" as one of the first descriptors.

If you ask them to tell you about Pocahontas they will almost certainly use "Native American" or "Indian" as one of the first descriptors.

That is why it is less likely to be considered racist and offensive.
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Corrik
11/28/17 10:49:30 PM
#371:


Oh look under FFD's and Tony's way of thinking Trump's comment totally couldn't have been disrespectful. Lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshuaGreen/status/935531614712496129
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Corrik
11/28/17 10:52:55 PM
#372:


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/28/john-conyers-long-history-controversy-surfaces-amid-misconduct-allegations.html

Conyers situation is starting to get some more heat.

CNN boycotting white house Christmas media event. Which I probably would do also if then.
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CelesMyUserName
11/28/17 10:54:19 PM
#373:


how is the origins of the name "Pocahontas" so relevant

https://archive.org/stream/cu31924104081652

p136

But her real name, it seems, was originally Matoax; which the Indians carefully concealed from the English and changed it to Pocahontas, out of a superstitious fear, lest they, by the knowledge of her true name, should be enabled to do her some hurt.

holy balls this fortune telling from 1865
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Corrik
11/28/17 10:57:06 PM
#374:


http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/28/politics/chuck-schumer-nancy-pelosi-bipartisan/index.html

Pelosi and Schumer skip funding meeting. Trump posts a picture highlighting their failure to show. In their defense, he said prior the meeting would not likely end with a deal. Though with dems trying to play hardball with the tax reform and other topics, very partisan politics at this moment in DC.
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Corrik
11/28/17 10:58:15 PM
#375:


North Korea fires an icbm into Japanese waters.
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StealThisSheen
11/28/17 10:59:42 PM
#376:


Corrik posted...
Oh look under FFD's and Tony's way of thinking Trump's comment totally couldn't have been disrespectful. Lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshuaGreen/status/935531614712496129


To be perfectly fair, the fact that he even mentions

"The Marines made us yell 'Geronimo' when we jumped out of planes + that didn't offend me either."

means he sees why it's offensive, just that he personally wasn't. Otherwise he wouldn't feel the need to say it didn't offend him.
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Corrik
11/28/17 11:02:29 PM
#377:


StealThisSheen posted...
Corrik posted...
Oh look under FFD's and Tony's way of thinking Trump's comment totally couldn't have been disrespectful. Lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshuaGreen/status/935531614712496129


To be perfectly fair, the fact that he even mentions

"The Marines made us yell 'Geronimo' when we jumped out of planes + that didn't offend me either."

means he sees why it's offensive, just that he personally wasn't. Otherwise he wouldn't feel the need to say it didn't offend him.

Reading it how you want to. That is not what he was saying. He is saying that a name of a Native American does not offend him and provided another example of it not offending him.

Nowhere at all did he say what you just said.
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lordloki12
11/28/17 11:08:40 PM
#378:


Corrik posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Corrik posted...
Oh look under FFD's and Tony's way of thinking Trump's comment totally couldn't have been disrespectful. Lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshuaGreen/status/935531614712496129


To be perfectly fair, the fact that he even mentions

"The Marines made us yell 'Geronimo' when we jumped out of planes + that didn't offend me either."

means he sees why it's offensive, just that he personally wasn't. Otherwise he wouldn't feel the need to say it didn't offend him.

Reading it how you want to. That is not what he was saying. He is saying that a name of a Native American does not offend him and provided another example of it not offending him.

Nowhere at all did he say what you just said.


So what makes this guy right and not one of the other guys in the room who was offended?
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Corrik
11/28/17 11:12:38 PM
#379:


lordloki12 posted...
Corrik posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Corrik posted...
Oh look under FFD's and Tony's way of thinking Trump's comment totally couldn't have been disrespectful. Lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshuaGreen/status/935531614712496129


To be perfectly fair, the fact that he even mentions

"The Marines made us yell 'Geronimo' when we jumped out of planes + that didn't offend me either."

means he sees why it's offensive, just that he personally wasn't. Otherwise he wouldn't feel the need to say it didn't offend him.

Reading it how you want to. That is not what he was saying. He is saying that a name of a Native American does not offend him and provided another example of it not offending him.

Nowhere at all did he say what you just said.


So what makes this guy right and not one of the other guys in the room who was offended?

I didn't say he was. I was making fun of Tony and FFD's logic as my post clearly stated.

I also never said that they could not be offended at the quip due to it being made in that setting. What I said was that it is factually incorrect to call it a racial slur and anyone saying that it is one has ulterior motives or is mistaken.
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Inviso
11/28/17 11:13:48 PM
#380:


It's factually incorrect to say it's NOT a racial slur and anyone saying that it isn't one has ulterior motives or is mistaken.
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Corrik
11/28/17 11:14:38 PM
#381:


Inviso posted...
It's factually incorrect to say it's NOT a racial slur and anyone saying that it isn't one has ulterior motives or is mistaken.

Or has common sense and logical thinking. But, you know... That is asking a lot nowadays.
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lordloki12
11/28/17 11:16:18 PM
#382:


Corrik posted...
lordloki12 posted...
Corrik posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Corrik posted...
Oh look under FFD's and Tony's way of thinking Trump's comment totally couldn't have been disrespectful. Lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshuaGreen/status/935531614712496129


To be perfectly fair, the fact that he even mentions

"The Marines made us yell 'Geronimo' when we jumped out of planes + that didn't offend me either."

means he sees why it's offensive, just that he personally wasn't. Otherwise he wouldn't feel the need to say it didn't offend him.

Reading it how you want to. That is not what he was saying. He is saying that a name of a Native American does not offend him and provided another example of it not offending him.

Nowhere at all did he say what you just said.


So what makes this guy right and not one of the other guys in the room who was offended?

I didn't say he was. I was making fun of Tony and FFD's logic as my post clearly stated.

I also never said that they could not be offended at the quip due to it being made in that setting. What I said was that it is factually incorrect to call it a racial slur and anyone saying that it is one has ulterior motives or is mistaken.


But you would be wrong in that as it is a racial slur when used in that way and their logic would still stand.
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Inviso
11/28/17 11:16:34 PM
#383:


Corrik posted...
Inviso posted...
It's factually incorrect to say it's NOT a racial slur and anyone saying that it isn't one has ulterior motives or is mistaken.

Or has common sense and logical thinking. But, you know... That is asking a lot nowadays.


Common sense would say that a noted racist using a Native American woman's name in a derogatory fashion makes it a racial slur. Again, ulterior motives on your part to say otherwise.
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Corrik
11/28/17 11:19:16 PM
#384:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs

As stupid as this list is and how much it tries to encompass any last thing possible, I still do not see the Disney Princess on the list under the P section. Didn't see Jasmine or Ariel either.
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Corrik
11/28/17 11:19:54 PM
#385:


Inviso posted...
Corrik posted...
Inviso posted...
It's factually incorrect to say it's NOT a racial slur and anyone saying that it isn't one has ulterior motives or is mistaken.

Or has common sense and logical thinking. But, you know... That is asking a lot nowadays.


Common sense would say that a noted racist using a Native American woman's name in a derogatory fashion makes it a racial slur. Again, ulterior motives on your part to say otherwise.

"Noted racist".
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lordloki12
11/28/17 11:20:07 PM
#386:


Corrik posted...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs

As stupid as this list is and how much it tries to encompass any last thing possible, I still do not see the Disney Princess on the list under the P section. Didn't see Jasmine or Ariel either.


You realize she was a real person before she was a cartoon right?
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Corrik
11/28/17 11:21:53 PM
#387:


lordloki12 posted...
Corrik posted...
lordloki12 posted...
Corrik posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Corrik posted...
Oh look under FFD's and Tony's way of thinking Trump's comment totally couldn't have been disrespectful. Lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshuaGreen/status/935531614712496129


To be perfectly fair, the fact that he even mentions

"The Marines made us yell 'Geronimo' when we jumped out of planes + that didn't offend me either."

means he sees why it's offensive, just that he personally wasn't. Otherwise he wouldn't feel the need to say it didn't offend him.

Reading it how you want to. That is not what he was saying. He is saying that a name of a Native American does not offend him and provided another example of it not offending him.

Nowhere at all did he say what you just said.


So what makes this guy right and not one of the other guys in the room who was offended?

I didn't say he was. I was making fun of Tony and FFD's logic as my post clearly stated.

I also never said that they could not be offended at the quip due to it being made in that setting. What I said was that it is factually incorrect to call it a racial slur and anyone saying that it is one has ulterior motives or is mistaken.


But you would be wrong in that as it is a racial slur when used in that way and their logic would still stand.

You can just say you are wrong. You don't have to keep up making yourself look silly with this illogical thought process. No matter what you guys think, you cannot actually change definitions and terms to make up your own thinking of what something should be. This is twice now in 2 days. First trying to change the term of racism and now the term of racial slur.

You guys are sooo obsessed with trying to make everything a race issue that it is funny. And, you are all probably Caucasian too!
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CelesMyUserName
11/28/17 11:21:56 PM
#388:


jesus
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lordloki12
11/28/17 11:22:29 PM
#389:


Corrik posted...
lordloki12 posted...
Corrik posted...
lordloki12 posted...
Corrik posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
Corrik posted...
Oh look under FFD's and Tony's way of thinking Trump's comment totally couldn't have been disrespectful. Lol

https://mobile.twitter.com/JoshuaGreen/status/935531614712496129


To be perfectly fair, the fact that he even mentions

"The Marines made us yell 'Geronimo' when we jumped out of planes + that didn't offend me either."

means he sees why it's offensive, just that he personally wasn't. Otherwise he wouldn't feel the need to say it didn't offend him.

Reading it how you want to. That is not what he was saying. He is saying that a name of a Native American does not offend him and provided another example of it not offending him.

Nowhere at all did he say what you just said.


So what makes this guy right and not one of the other guys in the room who was offended?

I didn't say he was. I was making fun of Tony and FFD's logic as my post clearly stated.

I also never said that they could not be offended at the quip due to it being made in that setting. What I said was that it is factually incorrect to call it a racial slur and anyone saying that it is one has ulterior motives or is mistaken.


But you would be wrong in that as it is a racial slur when used in that way and their logic would still stand.

You can just say you are wrong. You don't have to keep up making yourself look silly with this illogical thought process. No matter what you guys think, you cannot actually change definitions and terms to make up your own thinking of what something should be. This is twice now in 2 days. First trying to change the term of racism and now the term of racial slur.

You guys are sooo obsessed with trying to make everything a race issue that it is funny. And, you are all probably Caucasian too!


You really dont read well do you?
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Corrik
11/28/17 11:22:53 PM
#390:


lordloki12 posted...
Corrik posted...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs

As stupid as this list is and how much it tries to encompass any last thing possible, I still do not see the Disney Princess on the list under the P section. Didn't see Jasmine or Ariel either.


You realize she was a real person before she was a cartoon right?

I feel strongly that Trump was referring to the Disney Princess based on what I have seen of his extensive historical knowledge base.
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Corrik
11/28/17 11:26:56 PM
#391:


Aren't you the dude who thinks only white people can be racist? Lol that's gold from you.
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CelesMyUserName
11/28/17 11:27:17 PM
#392:


trump not knowing Pocahontas makes it even worse for him to spout her name off
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Dark Young Link
11/28/17 11:28:58 PM
#393:


I can't help but wonder if Corrik is being intentionally obtuse, or if he's simply being contrarian.

(I'm one to talk....)

While calling someone Pocahontas may not strictly be counted as a slur... calling a Native American woman that is at best a very odd and careless thing to say. This is the benefit of a doubt you'd give a typical person, who has shown no prejudice behavior in the past.

Someone like Trump saying it? From his past behavior, it strains belief that he called someone that with absolutely no ill intent. Simply put, there was no reason to call her that. She has a name, and if he did not know her name, he could have simply asked.

This is ignoring the fact that a wikipedia list is hardly the be all end all list of racial slurs
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Corrik
11/28/17 11:29:41 PM
#394:


CelesMyUserName posted...
trump not knowing Pocahontas makes it even worse for him to spout her name off

My poor 3 year old should feel so bad when he spouts Pocahontas because he seen the movie. LMFAO. He is making a quip at her. Not comparing her life to her based on historical analysis. I just hate to see what the mermaids say when he compares someone to Ariel. Or what the girl in She's Out of Your League woulda felt when the chubby dude compared her to Jasmine. LMFAO.
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Inviso
11/28/17 11:30:40 PM
#395:


I'll take the word of Navajo Indians as to what constitutes an anti-Native American racial slur over a white forum troll whose sole goal is suckling internet attention.
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lordloki12
11/28/17 11:31:14 PM
#396:


Corrik posted...
CelesMyUserName posted...
trump not knowing Pocahontas makes it even worse for him to spout her name off

My poor 3 year old should feel so bad when he spouts Pocahontas because he seen the movie. LMFAO. He is making a quip at her. Not comparing her life to her based on historical analysis. I just hate to see what the mermaids say when he compares someone to Ariel. Or what the girl in She's Out of Your League woulda felt when the chubby dude compared her to Jasmine. LMFAO.


Why are you stuck on disney movies? Nobody but you is talking about cartoons.
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Corrik
11/28/17 11:32:46 PM
#397:


Dark Young Link posted...
I can't help but wonder if Corrik is being intentionally obtuse, or if he's simply being contrarian.

(I'm one to talk....)

While calling someone Pocahontas may not strictly be counted as a slur... calling a Native American woman that is at best a very odd and careless thing to say. This is the benefit of a doubt you'd give a typical person, who has shown no prejudice behavior in the past.

Someone like Trump saying it? From his past behavior, it strains belief that he called someone that with absolutely no ill intent. Simply put, there was no reason to call her that. She has a name, and if he did not know her name, he could have simply asked.

This is ignoring the fact that a wikipedia list is hardly the be all end all list of racial slurs

He was teasing her fake usage of minority status. Calling her a Native American chieftains daughter because for all hell if she is going to claim she is a minority Native American when she is self-admittedly AT BEST 1/32nd Native American she might as well be a Disney Native American Princess also. Lol.

He is teasing her pushed fake ethnicity claim.

The only thing that was inappropriate was the setting. People need to learn there is a place for everything and a time not to do shit. But, it is not a racial slur.
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StealThisSheen
11/28/17 11:33:11 PM
#398:


lordloki12 posted...
Corrik posted...
CelesMyUserName posted...
trump not knowing Pocahontas makes it even worse for him to spout her name off

My poor 3 year old should feel so bad when he spouts Pocahontas because he seen the movie. LMFAO. He is making a quip at her. Not comparing her life to her based on historical analysis. I just hate to see what the mermaids say when he compares someone to Ariel. Or what the girl in She's Out of Your League woulda felt when the chubby dude compared her to Jasmine. LMFAO.


Why are you stuck on disney movies? Nobody but you is talking about cartoons.


Because Corrik doesn't actually know history, as has been evidenced many, many, maaaany times.

Like, I don't doubt at all that he didn't know Pocahontas was a real person before this
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CelesMyUserName
11/28/17 11:33:48 PM
#399:


is your 3 year-old daughter bringing up pocahontas to prominent native american groups during celebratory meetings
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Corrik
11/28/17 11:34:27 PM
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It also cracks me up that again the push against her was initiated by a Democrat she ran against, just as the birther shit was initiated by Democrat Hillary Clinton. Can't make this stuff up.
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Corrik
11/28/17 11:34:59 PM
#401:


CelesMyUserName posted...
is your 3 year-old daughter bringing up pocahontas to prominent native american groups during celebratory meetings

So, I am glad you agree the setting was the only issue as I stated from the onset and you can stop arguing stupid stuff now. Thanks.
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Corrik
11/28/17 11:35:57 PM
#402:


StealThisSheen posted...
lordloki12 posted...
Corrik posted...
CelesMyUserName posted...
trump not knowing Pocahontas makes it even worse for him to spout her name off

My poor 3 year old should feel so bad when he spouts Pocahontas because he seen the movie. LMFAO. He is making a quip at her. Not comparing her life to her based on historical analysis. I just hate to see what the mermaids say when he compares someone to Ariel. Or what the girl in She's Out of Your League woulda felt when the chubby dude compared her to Jasmine. LMFAO.


Why are you stuck on disney movies? Nobody but you is talking about cartoons.


Because Corrik doesn't actually know history, as has been evidenced many, many, maaaany times.

Like, I don't doubt at all that he didn't know Pocahontas was a real person before this

Literally referenced in my first post regarding it, but you know, you do you with your illogical arguments.
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