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YoshitoKikuchi
11/21/17 9:51:58 AM
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Even a handshake or hug?
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SageHarpuia
11/21/17 9:52:54 AM
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Ok, next time a woman taps my shoulder I'm taking her to court.
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lilORANG
11/21/17 9:53:43 AM
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you probably shouldnt be hugging anyone who doesn't want a hug.

handshakes are two way streets, so if you extend a hand and they take it, then whatever.
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Sex-Machine
11/21/17 10:02:10 AM
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Sex-Machine always initiates physical contact. Sex-Machine is loved by the ladies
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Silver Bearings
11/21/17 10:04:21 AM
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lilORANG posted...
you probably shouldnt be hugging anyone who doesn't want a hug.

handshakes are two way streets, so if you extend a hand and they take it, then whatever.

So hugs can only be initiated by females? Can I just hold my arms out as a request for hug, or should I get written permission?
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YoshitoKikuchi
11/21/17 10:07:34 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
YoshitoKikuchi posted...
Even a handshake or hug?


Are you saying you are incapable of being around someone without the risk of sexual harassment or assault?


No, I am saying in this current climate that any physical contact at all can be misconstrued.
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gunplagirl
11/21/17 10:08:11 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
YoshitoKikuchi posted...
Even a handshake or hug?


Are you saying you are incapable of being around someone without the risk of sexual harassment or assault?

TC is clearly incapable of distinguishing between the two. Therefore, it's best we simply remove him from society entirely.
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gunplagirl
11/21/17 10:08:45 AM
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YoshitoKikuchi posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
YoshitoKikuchi posted...
Even a handshake or hug?


Are you saying you are incapable of being around someone without the risk of sexual harassment or assault?


No, I am saying in this current climate that any physical contact at all can be misconstrued.

So yeah, you can't differentiate the difference. I'm setting you adrift.
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pinky0926
11/21/17 10:11:19 AM
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Gotta laugh at all these people who can't tell the difference between normal human behaviour and creepy predatorial, non-consensual behaviour

Well, "laugh" maybe is not the right term here
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Silver Bearings
11/21/17 10:14:28 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
YoshitoKikuchi posted...
Even a handshake or hug?

Are you saying you are incapable of being around someone without the risk of sexual harassment or assault?

TC is clearly incapable of distinguishing between the two. Therefore, it's best we simply remove him from society entirely.

Two idiotic responses from two rubes.
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KazumaKiryu
11/21/17 10:14:38 AM
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Yeah, that's the endgame here. Although these celebrity types did do really weird shit a lot of the time, it paints this picture of any advances being unacceptable, even if the woman acted interested at the time.
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That_Happened
11/21/17 10:16:13 AM
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I get what TC is trying to say. I've definitely had moments when I was a teenager where I've misread signals and put an arm around a girl without realizing she wasn't into me, or grabbed an ex's butt when I thought she was hitting on me but I was incorrect. When you make mistakes like that you have to apologize in the moment, and hope she understands that it was a misunderstanding.

But if you're worried about being accused of sexual harassment...I think that's unlikely.
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Silver Bearings
11/21/17 10:17:01 AM
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KazumaKiryu posted...
Yeah, that's the endgame here. Although these celebrity types did do really weird shit a lot of the time, it paints this picture of any advances being unacceptable, even if the woman acted interested at the time.

This. Don't contact anyone, ever, especially if you intend to run for public office.
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gunplagirl
11/21/17 10:18:35 AM
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Silver Bearings posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
YoshitoKikuchi posted...
Even a handshake or hug?

Are you saying you are incapable of being around someone without the risk of sexual harassment or assault?

TC is clearly incapable of distinguishing between the two. Therefore, it's best we simply remove him from society entirely.

Two idiotic responses from two rubes.


Two girls who are critical of TC sexually harassing somebody after what he's said?

What an incredibly specific and brand new definition of rube.
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KazumaKiryu
11/21/17 10:20:22 AM
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Asherlee10 posted...
KazumaKiryu posted...
Yeah, that's the endgame here. Although these celebrity types did do really weird shit a lot of the time, it paints this picture of any advances being unacceptable, even if the woman acted interested at the time.


I don't agree.


Ok, then what are your thoughts? It's different for you, you know.
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Twin3Turbo
11/21/17 10:20:57 AM
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YoshitoKikuchi posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
YoshitoKikuchi posted...
Even a handshake or hug?


Are you saying you are incapable of being around someone without the risk of sexual harassment or assault?


No, I am saying in this current climate that any physical contact at all can be misconstrued.

Honestly, has there been anyone that has been condemned publicly recently for a hug or a handshake?

From what I have seen, it's pretty much all been very overt stuff that has gotten them lambasted.
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Silver Bearings
11/21/17 10:26:04 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
Silver Bearings posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
YoshitoKikuchi posted...
Even a handshake or hug?

Are you saying you are incapable of being around someone without the risk of sexual harassment or assault?

TC is clearly incapable of distinguishing between the two. Therefore, it's best we simply remove him from society entirely.

Two idiotic responses from two rubes.


Two girls who are critical of TC sexually harassing somebody after what he's said?

What an incredibly specific and brand new definition of rube.

Based on the context of this topic, I agree with TC. Fun fact: I've never sexually harassed anyone in my life, but I feel like I'm overly concerned about my actions now.
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Fam_Fam
11/21/17 10:27:39 AM
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if things are inappropriate, they will let you know by their behavior. and when you get that indication, you stop.

it's REALLY simple.

if you really did hug someone and they were uncomfortable. you can apologize, and not do it again. same thing with a handshake.

you would not get sued for harassment
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That_Happened
11/21/17 10:29:10 AM
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Silver Bearings posted...
Fun fact: I've never sexually harassed anyone in my life, but I feel like I'm overly concerned about my actions now.

Shouldn't we all be overly concerned about how we treat other people? I know that's simplifying it but if anything the current allegations have made me think about my own behavior and how I should have conducted myself differently, and how I won't make the same mistakes I made in the past.
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Silver Bearings
11/21/17 10:29:40 AM
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Fam_Fam posted...
they will let you know by their behavior

Not everyone has the social awareness to interpret body language. This may not help socially awkward people.
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Silver Bearings
11/21/17 10:31:25 AM
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That_Happened posted...
Silver Bearings posted...
Fun fact: I've never sexually harassed anyone in my life, but I feel like I'm overly concerned about my actions now.

Shouldn't we all be overly concerned about how we treat other people? I know that's simplifying it but if anything the current allegations have made me think about my own behavior and how I should have conducted myself differently, and how I won't make the same mistakes I made in the past.

I'm not talking about reasonable consideration. I'm talking about holding the door for someone at work, or having non-work related conversations (I'm naturally flirty when I talk, but I never push anything that is unwanted). But now I overthink and it is making conversations more awkward...like regressing into social awkwardness.
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That_Happened
11/21/17 10:31:29 AM
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Silver Bearings posted...
Fam_Fam posted...
they will let you know by their behavior

Not everyone has the social awareness to interpret body language. This may not help socially awkward people.

And from what I've read, not all women will react negatively in the moment. Like with Louis CK, they put up with his behavior because they were in his hotel room and they were just trying to avoid conflict until they could escape.
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gunplagirl
11/21/17 10:38:17 AM
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Silver Bearings posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Silver Bearings posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Asherlee10 posted...
YoshitoKikuchi posted...
Even a handshake or hug?

Are you saying you are incapable of being around someone without the risk of sexual harassment or assault?

TC is clearly incapable of distinguishing between the two. Therefore, it's best we simply remove him from society entirely.

Two idiotic responses from two rubes.


Two girls who are critical of TC sexually harassing somebody after what he's said?

What an incredibly specific and brand new definition of rube.

Based on the context of this topic, I agree with TC. Fun fact: I've never sexually harassed anyone in my life, but I feel like I'm overly concerned about my actions now.


How can you be certain you have never done so? Because at some point in your adolescence you almost certainly did do something of a sexual nature that somebody else was harmed by. Probably by virtue of some dick joke. The important distinction being that those are things that people mature beyond, if only to the point they stop making the jokes in public where strangers overhear them. President Tangerine being one of the few exceptions.
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Error1355
11/21/17 10:40:10 AM
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Man CE never fails to disappoint me with the unhealthy view on women.
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gunplagirl
11/21/17 10:40:24 AM
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That_Happened posted...
Silver Bearings posted...
Fun fact: I've never sexually harassed anyone in my life, but I feel like I'm overly concerned about my actions now.

Shouldn't we all be overly concerned about how we treat other people? I know that's simplifying it but if anything the current allegations have made me think about my own behavior and how I should have conducted myself differently, and how I won't make the same mistakes I made in the past.

And exploring these past moments and how they might have harmed others is good. It's demonstrating that you're able to act on empathy and figure out how your actions may have harmed others from their perspective. This is a good thing to look into, as it is something most people never take time to consider.
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Silver Bearings
11/21/17 10:46:55 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
How can you be certain you have never done so?

I'm damn certain, and anyone that knows me would agree. As an illustrative example, I don't make dick jokes as I find them to be distasteful. But I understand that there aren't many people out there like me, and no one here knows me so they aren't likely to buy it. But it's true.
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gunplagirl
11/21/17 10:49:41 AM
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Silver Bearings posted...
gunplagirl posted...
How can you be certain you have never done so?

I'm damn certain, and anyone that knows me would agree. As an illustrative example, I don't make dick jokes as I find them to be distasteful. But I understand that there aren't many people out there like me, and no one here knows me so they aren't likely to buy it. But it's true.


I still find that incredibly unlikely that not once has your presence, demeanor, tone or word usage possibly been offensive to women around you in a sexual capacity.
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Silver Bearings
11/21/17 10:50:19 AM
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Error1355 posted...
Man CE never fails to disappoint me with the unhealthy view on women.

Look at what is dominating the headlines. Yes, I'm sure all of these women are being truthful and brave for stepping forward. But, what if, one...just one is fabricating and maliciously ruining someone's life for nefarious reasons. What should be done about that if proven?
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scar the 1
11/21/17 10:50:52 AM
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>Strawman: The topic

Yup, it's a day that ends in -day on CE, alright.
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Silver Bearings
11/21/17 10:51:13 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
incredibly unlikely

So you're saying there's a chance...
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gunplagirl
11/21/17 10:52:34 AM
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Silver Bearings posted...
gunplagirl posted...
incredibly unlikely

So you're saying there's a chance...

Oh yes, there's a chance between you and me.

<3

Oh wait that's not what you meant.
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scar the 1
11/21/17 10:53:50 AM
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Silver Bearings posted...
Error1355 posted...
Man CE never fails to disappoint me with the unhealthy view on women.

Look at what is dominating the headlines. Yes, I'm sure all of these women are being truthful and brave for stepping forward. But, what if, one...just one is fabricating and maliciously ruining someone's life for nefarious reasons. What should be done about that if proven?

That sounds uncannily similar to the experiences of all the women coming forward, with one big exception. They were harassed or worse, and had these fears about speaking up.
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That_Happened
11/21/17 10:56:57 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
Silver Bearings posted...
gunplagirl posted...
How can you be certain you have never done so?

I'm damn certain, and anyone that knows me would agree. As an illustrative example, I don't make dick jokes as I find them to be distasteful. But I understand that there aren't many people out there like me, and no one here knows me so they aren't likely to buy it. But it's true.


I still find that incredibly unlikely that not once has your presence, demeanor, tone or word usage possibly been offensive to women around you in a sexual capacity.

I think the issue is, if nearly all men are guilty of sexual harassment at some point in their lives (as you seem to be suggesting) are we all just waiting to pay for it? Should there be a difference between someone who has made an honest mistake and someone who is a "sexual harasser?"
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Silver Bearings
11/21/17 10:57:06 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
Silver Bearings posted...
gunplagirl posted...
incredibly unlikely

So you're saying there's a chance...

Oh yes, there's a chance between you and me.

<3

Oh wait that's not what you meant.

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gunplagirl
11/21/17 10:58:29 AM
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Silver Bearings posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Silver Bearings posted...
gunplagirl posted...
incredibly unlikely

So you're saying there's a chance...

Oh yes, there's a chance between you and me.

<3

Oh wait that's not what you meant.

Insert dry, inert response to subvert inappropriate comment baiting... :)


Those ellipses are hiding subtext and the smiley is because you think you got away with it.

It being my heart. ^_-
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Silver Bearings
11/21/17 10:58:46 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
Silver Bearings posted...
Error1355 posted...
Man CE never fails to disappoint me with the unhealthy view on women.

Look at what is dominating the headlines. Yes, I'm sure all of these women are being truthful and brave for stepping forward. But, what if, one...just one is fabricating and maliciously ruining someone's life for nefarious reasons. What should be done about that if proven?

That sounds uncannily similar to the experiences of all the women coming forward, with one big exception. They were harassed or worse, and had these fears about speaking up.

This does not address my comment in any way. Did you quote the wrong post?
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Silver Bearings
11/21/17 11:00:23 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
Silver Bearings posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Silver Bearings posted...
gunplagirl posted...
incredibly unlikely

So you're saying there's a chance...

Oh yes, there's a chance between you and me.

<3

Oh wait that's not what you meant.

Insert dry, inert response to subvert inappropriate comment baiting... :)


Those ellipses are hiding subtext and the smiley is because you think you got away with it.

It being my heart. ^_-

[A] Abort, [R] Retry, [F] Fail?
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bluezero
11/21/17 11:01:40 AM
#41:


My female co-worker hits me on the arm. Am I going to be rich?
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gunplagirl
11/21/17 11:01:47 AM
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Silver Bearings posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Silver Bearings posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Silver Bearings posted...
gunplagirl posted...
incredibly unlikely

So you're saying there's a chance...

Oh yes, there's a chance between you and me.

<3

Oh wait that's not what you meant.

Insert dry, inert response to subvert inappropriate comment baiting... :)


Those ellipses are hiding subtext and the smiley is because you think you got away with it.

It being my heart. ^_-

[A] Abort, [R] Retry, [F] Fail?

A, abort all the babies. Even the ones who were already born.
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Silver Bearings
11/21/17 11:05:26 AM
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gunplagirl posted...
A, abort all the babies. Even the ones who were already born.

The end of humanity.
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seiki
11/21/17 11:06:31 AM
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B6A2UJx
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SavenForever
11/21/17 11:15:42 AM
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Nope, and don't even think about them.
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scar the 1
11/21/17 11:59:46 AM
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Silver Bearings posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Silver Bearings posted...
Error1355 posted...
Man CE never fails to disappoint me with the unhealthy view on women.

Look at what is dominating the headlines. Yes, I'm sure all of these women are being truthful and brave for stepping forward. But, what if, one...just one is fabricating and maliciously ruining someone's life for nefarious reasons. What should be done about that if proven?

That sounds uncannily similar to the experiences of all the women coming forward, with one big exception. They were harassed or worse, and had these fears about speaking up.

This does not address my comment in any way. Did you quote the wrong post?

Nope, I quoted the correct one.
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YoshitoKikuchi
11/21/17 5:39:23 PM
#48:


Pixar chief taking a leave of absense:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/21/16687192/pixar-disney-animation-john-lasseter-sexual-harassment-complaints

Lasseter is described as an enthusiastic hugger, but the allegations go far beyond that. According to the story, women in the company resorted to a move they nicknamed The Lasseter to prevent the executive from putting his hands on their legs without consent
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Twin3Turbo
11/21/17 5:43:30 PM
#49:


YoshitoKikuchi posted...
Pixar chief taking a leave of absense:

https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/21/16687192/pixar-disney-animation-john-lasseter-sexual-harassment-complaints

Lasseter is described as an enthusiastic hugger, but the allegations go far beyond that. According to the story, women in the company resorted to a move they nicknamed The Lasseter to prevent the executive from putting his hands on their legs without consent

So once again, someone being accused of something pretty overt and not normal like a handshake or a hug.

Acting like you have to walk on eggshells now is just silly.
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Touch
11/21/17 5:46:22 PM
#50:


lilORANG posted...
you probably shouldnt be hugging anyone who doesn't want a hug.

handshakes are two way streets, so if you extend a hand and they take it, then whatever.

You know what else is a two way street?

Ass 2 ass
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