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Callixtus
11/20/17 10:35:25 PM
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An Ontario university that has raised eyebrows among those concerned with questions of academic freedom has engaged a third-party investigator to probe an incident involving one of its teaching assistants.

Lindsay Shepherd, a graduate student at Wilfrid Laurier University, said she ran afoul of school authorities after she aired a clip in two tutorials of a debate on gender-neutral pronouns featuring polarizing University of Toronto professor Jordan Peterson.

The excerpt from TVOs current affairs program The Agenda shows Peterson, who has famously refused to use gender pronouns other than he or she, defending his position against a professor who argued it was necessary to use the pronouns that a person prefers to be called.

Shepherd said she was chastised by her superiors for failing to condemn Petersons remarks outright and told her neutral approach to the clip was tantamount to remaining neutral on other objectionable views such as those of Adolf Hitler.

Shepherd said the lesson to her communications tutorial class was focusing on the complexities of grammar.

Shepherd said she was trying to demonstrate that the structure of a language can affect the society in which it is spoken in ways people might not anticipate. To illustrate her point, she said she mentioned that long-standing views on gender had probably been shaped by the gender-specific pronouns that are part of Englishs fundamental grammatical structure.

The clip of Peterson debating sexual diversity scholar Nicholas Matte, she said, was meant to demonstrate ways in which the existence of gender-specific pronouns has caused controversy.

Shepherd said a student complained about the clip, which she showed to two tutorials of roughly 24 participants each. In response, she said, her supervisors censured her for airing the clips, told her she was transphobic for playing them and said she ought to have spoken out against the positions Peterson expressed during the excerpt.

She said she was permitted to keep her position so long as she agreed to file copies of her lesson plans in advance and allow faculty members to sit in on her sessions whenever they wished, constraints she said are not standard practice for Laurier.

Remember: These are only fringe elements and there's no chance that their views could spread to the rest of society.

Read the rest: https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/11/16/laurier-university-starts-independent-probe-after-teaching-assistant-plays-clip-of-gender-debate.html
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Callixtus
11/20/17 10:45:59 PM
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Where is the gender brigade?
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FLUFFYGERM
11/20/17 10:46:51 PM
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Callixtus posted...
Remember: These are only fringe elements and there's no chance that their views could spread to the rest of society.


@COVxy Thoughts?
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Waluigi7
11/20/17 10:47:12 PM
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Not in America, don't care.
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Mal_Fet
11/20/17 10:47:15 PM
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One more reminder that the left is no better than the actual Nazis when it comes to suppressing speech they disagree with.
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r4X0r
11/20/17 10:48:07 PM
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This is the tolerant, open minded, progressive left.

"I don't agree with you."
"You're Hitler, you're transphobic, and we're going to use our authority to punish you."
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Callixtus
11/20/17 10:49:15 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
Callixtus posted...
Remember: These are only fringe elements and there's no chance that their views could spread to the rest of society.


@COVxy Thoughts?

He already has a pre-prepared response to lay out, no doubt.
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FLUFFYGERM
11/20/17 10:50:00 PM
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Callixtus posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Callixtus posted...
Remember: These are only fringe elements and there's no chance that their views could spread to the rest of society.


@COVxy Thoughts?

He already has a pre-prepared response to lay out, no doubt.


"Stop searching for articles on SJWs, this will never happen in the real world!!!"
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Manocheese
11/20/17 10:50:29 PM
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Callixtus posted...
Shepherd said she was chastised by her superiors for failing to condemn Petersons remarks outright and told her neutral approach to the clip was tantamount to remaining neutral on other objectionable views such as those of Adolf Hitler.

Godwin's Law now applies to real life when SJWs are involved.
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sylverlolol
11/20/17 10:56:46 PM
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Looks like we got a right-leaning circle jerk in here, folks.
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FLUFFYGERM
11/20/17 10:57:21 PM
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sylverlolol posted...
Looks like we got a right-leaning circle jerk in here, folks.


"Fuck I agree with that university's lunacy, better rush into damage control mode!"
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Callixtus
11/20/17 10:57:43 PM
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sylverlolol posted...
Looks like we got a right-leaning circle jerk in here, folks.

How do you feel about the actual article instead of turning to insults?
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Ultima Dragon
11/20/17 11:02:10 PM
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Thus Yivo has proclaimed that instead of he or she we are to use the word shkle. And instead of him or her we are to use the word shklim or shkler.
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Callixtus
11/20/17 11:15:03 PM
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Manocheese posted...
Callixtus posted...
Shepherd said she was chastised by her superiors for failing to condemn Petersons remarks outright and told her neutral approach to the clip was tantamount to remaining neutral on other objectionable views such as those of Adolf Hitler.

Godwin's Law now applies to real life when SJWs are involved.

People trying to crush basic freedoms tend to be some of the quickest to play the Hitler card, ironically enough.
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Vertania
11/20/17 11:43:10 PM
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Callixtus posted...
Shepherd said she was chastised by her superiors for failing to condemn Petersons remarks outright and told her neutral approach to the clip was tantamount to remaining neutral on other objectionable views such as those of Adolf Hitler.

"Meh, maybe we should stick to established pronouns" = "Meh, it's just 17 million deaths"

lol
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Callixtus
11/21/17 12:41:30 AM
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Vertania posted...
Callixtus posted...
Shepherd said she was chastised by her superiors for failing to condemn Petersons remarks outright and told her neutral approach to the clip was tantamount to remaining neutral on other objectionable views such as those of Adolf Hitler.

"Meh, maybe we should stick to established pronouns" = "Meh, it's just 17 million deaths"

lol

What makes it worse is that the student didn't even promote established pronouns. In all likelihood, you know with her being a female Canadian of college age, she probably supports this type of stuff. But the notion that because she chose not to force a certain viewpoint as a facilitator of discussion in a university setting means that she's a literal Nazi is just ass backwards.
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Paper_Okami
11/21/17 12:45:43 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
One more reminder that the left is no better than the actual Nazis when it comes to suppressing speech they disagree with.


Are the left rounding up people in camps? No they aren't, SHUT THE FUCK UP!
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Callixtus
11/21/17 12:47:14 AM
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Paper_Okami posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
One more reminder that the left is no better than the actual Nazis when it comes to suppressing speech they disagree with.


Are the left rounding up people in camps? No they aren't, SHUT THE FUCK UP!

You seem upset
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Vicious_Dios
11/21/17 12:52:32 AM
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Paper_Okami posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
One more reminder that the left is no better than the actual Nazis when it comes to suppressing speech they disagree with.


Are the left rounding up people in camps? No they aren't, SHUT THE FUCK UP!


Please calm your ass down. Lol
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RE_expert44
11/21/17 12:54:44 AM
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Isn't college supposed to be a place of higher learning? People spend more time wording about hurt feeling than working on their fucking degrees. Then when they fail it's the man's fault.
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Mal_Fet
11/21/17 1:50:33 AM
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Paper_Okami posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
One more reminder that the left is no better than the actual Nazis when it comes to suppressing speech they disagree with.


Are the left rounding up people in camps? No they aren't, SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Not yet

wpR4mJe
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Callixtus
11/21/17 10:31:30 AM
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Still waiting for the "This is an isolated incident. Academia is great!" crowd.
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Callixtus
11/21/17 2:54:29 PM
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Bump
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ImTheMacheteGuy
11/21/17 3:02:08 PM
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I always defend all sjw things on this board for shits and giggles, but I draw the line at pronouns. Made up words can't be pronouns because pronouns are passively-used reflex words. I read an article by that Peterson guy and actually agreed with him mostly and there was absolutely nothing transphobic in his rhetoric. He essentially just took the approach that these made up gender pronouns linguistically can't function as pronouns. I'll say they. I'll use he for a biological female or she for a biological male if that is preferred by the individual, but made up "pronouns" is going to far. I'm siding the sjw crowd this time.

And yes, this is fringe.
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COVxy
11/21/17 3:07:02 PM
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Academia has brought you almost the entirety of modern science, and here you are waging an imaginary war against it because of a few crazies that the conservative outrage culture highlights.

Please stop tagging me in your shitposts.
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Monolith1676
11/21/17 3:10:16 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
One more reminder that the left is no better than the actual Nazis when it comes to suppressing speech they disagree with.


Are the left rounding up people in camps? No they aren't, SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Not yet

wpR4mJe


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Funbazooka
11/21/17 3:16:02 PM
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I've watched that debate. If I remember, the SJW professor on the panel literally tells Peterson that his refusal to use made-up pronouns is violence.
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Callixtus
11/21/17 3:16:31 PM
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COVxy posted...
Academia has brought you almost the entirety of modern science, and here you are waging an imaginary war against it because of a few crazies that the conservative outrage culture highlights.

Please stop tagging me in your shitposts.

Nice deflection.

Also almost no one criticizes academia for STEM contributions.
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COVxy
11/21/17 3:17:57 PM
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Callixtus posted...
Nice deflection.

Also almost no one criticizes academia for STEM contributions.


But the large majority of academia is STEM.

??_??

WHOA.
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Callixtus
11/21/17 3:35:13 PM
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COVxy posted...
Callixtus posted...
Nice deflection.

Also almost no one criticizes academia for STEM contributions.


But the large majority of academia is STEM.

??_??

WHOA.

That doesn't mean that most students aren't exposed to this sort of idiocy radiating from the humanities.

Go on. Defend what happened like you usually do.
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COVxy
11/21/17 3:38:35 PM
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In the same way that I'm exposed to your's, where I can just ignore it as idiocy.
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The Admiral
11/21/17 3:40:13 PM
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Isolated incident that you can only find dozens of examples of at every North American university.
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COVxy
11/21/17 3:45:06 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Isolated incident that you can only find dozens of examples of at every North American university.


Please do so.
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Callixtus
11/21/17 3:56:47 PM
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COVxy posted...
In the same way that I'm exposed to your's, where I can just ignore it as idiocy.

Do you agree with the decision of the university or not?

Also, do you think Lindsay Shepherd had the opportunity to just ignore the university's idiocy?
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COVxy
11/21/17 4:10:22 PM
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Callixtus posted...
Do you agree with the decision of the university or not?


No, but I don't really give enough of a shit to care. Arguments over gender pronouns? That's really what you're gonna spend your free time caring about?
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Funbazooka
11/21/17 4:15:18 PM
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COVxy posted...
No, but I don't really give enough of a shit to care.

Then why are you here trying to downplay it so desperately
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Funbazooka
11/21/17 4:16:34 PM
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The soyboy doth protest too much, methinks.
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COVxy
11/21/17 4:16:54 PM
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Funbazooka posted...
COVxy posted...
No, but I don't really give enough of a shit to care.

Then why are you here trying to downplay it so desperately


Uh, I'm downplaying it appropriately because this is simply partisan outrage for the sake of outrage. Nobody that has stepped foot on a college campus believes this bullshit sjw epidemic that you try so hard to push.
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muchdran
11/21/17 4:21:35 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
Paper_Okami posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
One more reminder that the left is no better than the actual Nazis when it comes to suppressing speech they disagree with.


Are the left rounding up people in camps? No they aren't, SHUT THE FUCK UP!

Not yet

wpR4mJe

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Callixtus
11/21/17 4:28:50 PM
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Funbazooka posted...
COVxy posted...
No, but I don't really give enough of a shit to care.

Then why are you here trying to downplay it so desperately

He's in such fucking denial lmao

This is the first time he's ceded even an inch on the obvious hysteria sweeping through academia, and you see how hard it was for him to admit even in this clear black and white case that his fellow SJWs were wrong.
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COVxy
11/21/17 4:37:03 PM
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Sure, if you say so.
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Callixtus
11/21/17 5:44:56 PM
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COVxy posted...
Sure, if you say so.

I like how you cut the question out of your response about whether Shepherd could ignore this nonsense.
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Funbazooka
11/22/17 11:19:15 PM
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Jordan Peterson Was Right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW5rdoqtTiQ


The leaked audio from Lindsay Shepherd from the faculty at Wilfrid Laurier University confirms our worst fears.
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EternalDivide
11/23/17 12:21:49 AM
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r4X0r posted...
This is the tolerant, open minded, progressive left.

"I don't agree with you."
"You're Hitler, you're transphobic, and we're going to use our authority to punish you."

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Funbazooka
11/24/17 6:52:11 AM
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This guy gets to the truth behind the words and rhetoric of the recorded interrogation. He pauses it and comments throughout.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn159mtW4ts

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