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QueenCarly posted...

If someone is going to be unwilling to support trans people because some of them are a little more brash than others then they were never going to pay anything more than lip service in the first place.

I support trans people even when "some of them are a little more brash than others."

But the idea that strong-arming your opinions, dismissing others, deflecting arguments to insults, and straw-manning people is acceptable is beyond me. All that does is create a BIGGER divide then what already exists.

If you guys (gunplagirl/queencarly) actually truly cared about supporting trans people then I would assume (falsely it seems) that you would attempt to do so with more tact.
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gunplagirl posted...

QueenCarly posted...

If someone is going to be unwilling to support trans people because some of them are a little more brash than others then they were never going to pay anything more than lip service in the first place.

Ding. If their allyship was merely based upon being treated kindly by trans people, then when we actually need help they wouldn't lift a finger to help.

Eh. While many may not be the vocal supporters we might want for LGBT issues, I still don't think pushing potential allies and those who may end up being important in votes of relevance to gaining rights is helpful is all.
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QueenCarly posted...

If someone is going to be unwilling to support trans people because some of them are a little more brash than others then they were never going to pay anything more than lip service in the first place.

There's a big difference between brash and the way TC responds towards even neutral comments that people might make. She is combative, insulting and generalizing the entire population hateful of transgendered people. I don't expect any marginalized group to "take it". But people also don't have to take being grouped with bigots when they aren't so she can rant and rave on gamefaqs to vent her miserable anger.
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Dustin1280 posted...

QueenCarly posted...

If someone is going to be unwilling to support trans people because some of them are a little more brash than others then they were never going to pay anything more than lip service in the first place.

I support trans people even when "some of them are a little more brash than others."

But the idea that strong-arming your opinions, dismissing others, deflecting arguments to insults, and straw-manning people is acceptable is beyond me. All that does is create a BIGGER divide then what already exists.

If you guys (gunplagirl/queencarly) actually truly cared about supporting trans people then I would assume (falsely it seems) that you would attempt to do so with more tact.

Even if it isn't fair, if you truly wanted changed and not to just spout hate, you would take the steps and effort necessary to help convince others rather then drive them away.

Aww, you think that we hate you? You oppress us and any push back you experience from us, you declare to be hate.

We can't fight back against Nazis, we can't demand our rights and we can't call you out on how you're killing us and making our lives hell. But you do think we should be nice to you and coddle you even while you continue harming us?
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thanosibe posted...

QueenCarly posted...

If someone is going to be unwilling to support trans people because some of them are a little more brash than others then they were never going to pay anything more than lip service in the first place.

There's a big difference between brash and the way TC responds towards even neutral comments that people might make. She is combative, insulting and generalizing the entire population hateful of transgendered people. I don't expect any marginalized group to "take it". But people also don't have to take being grouped with bigots when they aren't so she can rant and rave on gamefaqs to vent her miserable anger.

Have you tried evaluating your biases, how they are harmful to us, and addressing them? Because if you double down on your biases, then yeah, you're a bigot. And yeah, I'll group you with them because you are one.
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gunplagirl posted...

thanosibe posted...

QueenCarly posted...

If someone is going to be unwilling to support trans people because some of them are a little more brash than others then they were never going to pay anything more than lip service in the first place.

There's a big difference between brash and the way TC responds towards even neutral comments that people might make. She is combative, insulting and generalizing the entire population hateful of transgendered people. I don't expect any marginalized group to "take it". But people also don't have to take being grouped with bigots when they aren't so she can rant and rave on gamefaqs to vent her miserable anger.

Have you tried evaluating your biases, how they are harmful to us, and addressing them? Because if you double down on your biases, then yeah, you're a bigot. And yeah, I'll group you with them because you are one.

Have you done the same?
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gunplagirl posted...

Aww, you think that we hate you? You oppress us and any push back you experience from us, you declare to be hate.

We can't fight back against Nazis, we can't demand our rights and we can't call you out on how you're killing us and making our lives hell. But you do think we should be nice to you and coddle you even while you continue harming us?

This is the exact attitude that people have issues with. You are lashing out at someone who has outright said they support trans people, far as I can tell.

You absolutely can call bigots out and bring light to issue where rights are lacking. But you don't do that. You belittle and mock people, in the exact manner your oppressors do to you.
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Vyrulisse posted...

gunplagirl posted...

thanosibe posted...

QueenCarly posted...

If someone is going to be unwilling to support trans people because some of them are a little more brash than others then they were never going to pay anything more than lip service in the first place.

There's a big difference between brash and the way TC responds towards even neutral comments that people might make. She is combative, insulting and generalizing the entire population hateful of transgendered people. I don't expect any marginalized group to "take it". But people also don't have to take being grouped with bigots when they aren't so she can rant and rave on gamefaqs to vent her miserable anger.

Have you tried evaluating your biases, how they are harmful to us, and addressing them? Because if you double down on your biases, then yeah, you're a bigot. And yeah, I'll group you with them because you are one.

Have you done the same?

With respect to intersectionality and the fact that cis are the privileged class, yes.
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gunplagirl posted...

Aww, you think that we hate you? You oppress us and any push back you experience from us, you declare to be hate.

We can't fight back against Nazis, we can't demand our rights and we can't call you out on how you're killing us and making our lives hell. But you do think we should be nice to you and coddle you even while you continue harming us?

This is the reason all you do is hurt support for trans people.

I support transpeople and I try to explain calmly why you're way of dealing with things just might not be the best way to garner support.

Your response:
Sarcasm, insults, and straw man.
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gunplagirl posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

gunplagirl posted...

thanosibe posted...

QueenCarly posted...

If someone is going to be unwilling to support trans people because some of them are a little more brash than others then they were never going to pay anything more than lip service in the first place.

There's a big difference between brash and the way TC responds towards even neutral comments that people might make. She is combative, insulting and generalizing the entire population hateful of transgendered people. I don't expect any marginalized group to "take it". But people also don't have to take being grouped with bigots when they aren't so she can rant and rave on gamefaqs to vent her miserable anger.

Have you tried evaluating your biases, how they are harmful to us, and addressing them? Because if you double down on your biases, then yeah, you're a bigot. And yeah, I'll group you with them because you are one.

Have you done the same?

With respect to intersectionality and the fact that cis are the privileged class, yes.

Clearly you have not considering your ignorant and insulting statements above. Lumping someone into an entire group of people just because he dared to question your methods and say maybe there's a better way.

There is no cherry picking which biases you evaluate in yourself either, you either do it all or don't bother.
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man, CE is such a cesspit
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Funkydog posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Aww, you think that we hate you? You oppress us and any push back you experience from us, you declare to be hate.

We can't fight back against Nazis, we can't demand our rights and we can't call you out on how you're killing us and making our lives hell. But you do think we should be nice to you and coddle you even while you continue harming us?

This is the exact attitude that people have issues with. You are lashing out at someone who has outright said they support trans people, far as I can tell.

You absolutely can call bigots out and bring light to issue where rights are lacking. But you don't do that. You belittle and mock people, in the exact manner your oppressors do to you.

Anyone can say "I support trans people" but if their arguments run contrary to that? They don't. They really, really don't. "I support trans people but wouldn't date one" shows that they don't consider us on equal footing to our cis counterparts. And that's the most common "but" that's used.

And calling out oppressors isn't mocking or comparable to being dehumanized.
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trans person, literally being murdered: we don't deserve this

centrist man appearing from behind some bushes: wow maybe if you used a more respectful tone then more people would support you
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NinjaBreakfast posted...

trans person, literally being murdered: we don't deserve this

centrist man appearing from behind some bushes: wow maybe if you used a more respectful tone then more people would support you

You: being melodramatic as always
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gunplagirl posted...

Anyone can say "I support trans people" but if their arguments run contrary to that? They don't. They really, really don't. "I support trans people but wouldn't date one" shows that they don't consider us on equal footing to our cis counterparts. And that's the most common "but" that's used.

And calling out oppressors isn't mocking or comparable to being dehumanized.

You aren't just calling them out however. You are mocking and trying to dehumanise them.

And eh, I don't see someone not wanting to date someone the same as not considering them equal. Do I think they are silly if it is regards to someone post op? Sure. But people can't always stop what their preferences and comforts are for these things and trying to shame people for that isn't going to help people become more accepting of (whatever it happens to be)
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Just cuz you split your hot dog in half doesnt make you a new item on the menu.

Vyrulisse posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

gunplagirl posted...

thanosibe posted...

QueenCarly posted...

If someone is going to be unwilling to support trans people because some of them are a little more brash than others then they were never going to pay anything more than lip service in the first place.

There's a big difference between brash and the way TC responds towards even neutral comments that people might make. She is combative, insulting and generalizing the entire population hateful of transgendered people. I don't expect any marginalized group to "take it". But people also don't have to take being grouped with bigots when they aren't so she can rant and rave on gamefaqs to vent her miserable anger.

Have you tried evaluating your biases, how they are harmful to us, and addressing them? Because if you double down on your biases, then yeah, you're a bigot. And yeah, I'll group you with them because you are one.

Have you done the same?

With respect to intersectionality and the fact that cis are the privileged class, yes.

Clearly you have not considering your ignorant and insulting statements above. Lumping someone into an entire group of people just because he dared to question your methods and say maybe there's a better way.

There is no cherry picking which biases you evaluate in yourself either, you either do it all or don't bother.

If their behaviors and biases harm trans people and they don't change them or double down, they're validating their abuse.

If they do that? Then yeah, they're a bigot. It isn't half assed lumping, it's calling them out on their BS and how that continues to harm us. I've gone in detail before how it harms us. Yet then people pull the "well they have the right to an opinion/ preference" argument, completely ignoring how that's still harmful by virtue of how they enact the application.
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NinjaBreakfast posted...

trans person, literally being murdered: we don't deserve this

centrist man appearing from behind some bushes: wow maybe if you used a more respectful tone then more people would support you

You are just as bad...
You already ignored and dismissed everything i said in this topic. In favor of somehow coming to the conclusion that I am saying trans people being murdered should be more respectful when they tell me not to murder them. Never once has anything I said even inferred this...
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Funkydog posted...

You are mocking and trying to dehumanise them.

trans person: help i am being denied the right to exist by vast swathes of people

centrist man appearing underneath dumpster lid: yes well you are mocking and dehumanising me, maybe you should take a long hard look at yourself
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Funkydog posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Anyone can say "I support trans people" but if their arguments run contrary to that? They don't. They really, really don't. "I support trans people but wouldn't date one" shows that they don't consider us on equal footing to our cis counterparts. And that's the most common "but" that's used.

And calling out oppressors isn't mocking or comparable to being dehumanized.

You aren't just calling them out however. You are mocking and trying to dehumanise them.

And eh, I don't see someone not wanting to date someone the same as not considering them equal. Do I think they are silly if it is regards to someone post op? Sure. But people can't always stop what their preferences and comforts are for these things and trying to shame people for that isn't going to help people become more accepting of (whatever it happens to be)

Pointing out bigotry isn't dehumanizing. Calling us predators and banning us from public bathrooms? That's dehumanizing. Coming into a trans day of remembrance topic and using it to attack trans people who stand up for ourselves? That's dehumanizing.

Being an oppressive jackass who thinks they know better? That's your own personal hang up. Being called out on it? That's not dehumanizing. Being assigned a title like "bigot" isn't dehumanizing. It's merely assigning a title based upon your actions. Don't be biased then double down on it and you won't get called out on being a bigot.
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Dustin1280 posted...

NinjaBreakfast posted...

trans person, literally being murdered: we don't deserve this

centrist man appearing from behind some bushes: wow maybe if you used a more respectful tone then more people would support you

You are just as bad...
You already ignored and dismissed everything i said in this topic. In favor of somehow coming to the conclusion that I am saying trans people being murdered should be more respectful when they tell me not to murder them. Never once has anything I said even inferred this...

Not a single (singular) post, but the collective tone of all your posts together indicates precisely that.
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gunplagirl posted...

Dustin1280 posted...

NinjaBreakfast posted...

trans person, literally being murdered: we don't deserve this

centrist man appearing from behind some bushes: wow maybe if you used a more respectful tone then more people would support you

You are just as bad...
You already ignored and dismissed everything i said in this topic. In favor of somehow coming to the conclusion that I am saying trans people being murdered should be more respectful when they tell me not to murder them. Never once has anything I said even inferred this...

Not a single thing, but the collective tone of your posts indicates precisely that.

No it doesn't. You wanted them to infer that so your BIASES confirmed it for yourself without you ever even taking the time to truly process what he was trying to say.
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The Admiral posted...

QueenCarly posted...

The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Our society still thinks being attracted to a woman until finding out she's ever had a penis, then vomiting in disgust is perfectly fine for humor. And that actually being disgusted by trans women is totally acceptable.

Disgusted at just the existence is extreme, but a straight guy being repulsed by the thought of having sex with a transwoman, especially one who still has male genitalia, is a perfectly natural and normal reaction. If some dudes are more fluid with their sexuality and include transpeople in the preference, that's great for them. But you're oddly the one who is a bigot by being intolerant of the sexual preference of people who aren't into transgenders. No different than insulting a gay man for not being into women.

The two aren't comparable. If you're straight, then the only reason to exclude dating or attraction to post vaginoplasty trans women is because you don't consider them women in some degree.

Theyre biologically men, so this distinction should be understandable to anyone.

Biological essentialism is nothing more than a pseudo-scientific attempt to justify transphobia.

The term biological essentialism is pseudoscience. Chromosomal differences and sexual dimorphism are actual science.

Looks like someone isn't a fan of Bill Nye Saves the World!
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Vyrulisse posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Dustin1280 posted...

NinjaBreakfast posted...

trans person, literally being murdered: we don't deserve this

centrist man appearing from behind some bushes: wow maybe if you used a more respectful tone then more people would support you

You are just as bad...
You already ignored and dismissed everything i said in this topic. In favor of somehow coming to the conclusion that I am saying trans people being murdered should be more respectful when they tell me not to murder them. Never once has anything I said even inferred this...

Not a single thing, but the collective tone of your posts indicates precisely that.

No it doesn't. You wanted them to infer that so your BIASES confirmed it for yourself without you ever even taking the time to truly process what he was trying to say.

What biases do I have? That cis people benefit from the oppression of trans people? That's a fact. That cis people murdered over 300 of us this year? That's a fact. That cis people create insufferable consequences for us that make us more likely to have depression? Again, fact.
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gunplagirl posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Dustin1280 posted...

NinjaBreakfast posted...

trans person, literally being murdered: we don't deserve this

centrist man appearing from behind some bushes: wow maybe if you used a more respectful tone then more people would support you

You are just as bad...
You already ignored and dismissed everything i said in this topic. In favor of somehow coming to the conclusion that I am saying trans people being murdered should be more respectful when they tell me not to murder them. Never once has anything I said even inferred this...

Not a single thing, but the collective tone of your posts indicates precisely that.

No it doesn't. You wanted them to infer that so your BIASES confirmed it for yourself without you ever even taking the time to truly process what he was trying to say.

What biases do I have? That cis people benefit from the oppression of trans people? That's a fact. That cis people murdered over 300 of us this year? That's a fact. That cis people create insufferable consequences for us that make us more likely to have depression? Again, fact.

And? Unrelated to anything I said or he said thus it's irrelevant to this current line of conversation.
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uhhhh guys how about we hear out these people who want to deny us the right to exist, radical concept right?
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NinjaBreakfast posted...

uhhhh guys how about we hear out these people who want to deny us the right to exist, radical concept right?

Take a walk clown, no one is saying that.
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what about trans men and non binaries though wtf
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people that need to be heard out:

nazis
people who deny trans people the right to exist

who have i missed
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Dustin1280 posted...

Wow TC, this topic is loaded with bait. Even for you gunplagirl, this topic is ridiculous.

Trans day of remembrance is a real thing and has been for years.

It's like a memorial day, except for people who were murdered just for being trans.
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The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

gender confirmation surgery.

LOL

The types of topics conservatives enjoy are a window into how lost their souls are.

gunplagirl posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Dustin1280 posted...

NinjaBreakfast posted...

trans person, literally being murdered: we don't deserve this

centrist man appearing from behind some bushes: wow maybe if you used a more respectful tone then more people would support you

You are just as bad...
You already ignored and dismissed everything i said in this topic. In favor of somehow coming to the conclusion that I am saying trans people being murdered should be more respectful when they tell me not to murder them. Never once has anything I said even inferred this...

Not a single thing, but the collective tone of your posts indicates precisely that.

No it doesn't. You wanted them to infer that so your BIASES confirmed it for yourself without you ever even taking the time to truly process what he was trying to say.

What biases do I have? That cis people benefit from the oppression of trans people? That's a fact. That cis people murdered over 300 of us this year? That's a fact. That cis people create insufferable consequences for us that make us more likely to have depression? Again, fact.

Anyone that thinks they don't have any biases is a self-righteous person.
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Muh oppression!
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Dustin1280 posted...

Wow TC, this topic is loaded with bait. Even for you gunplagirl, this topic is ridiculous.

Trans day of remembrance is a real thing and has been for years.

It's like a memorial day, except for people who were murdered just for being trans.

Never once did I say it wasn't.

@Vyrulisse

I should have listened to you originally. Really no point in talking to people that don't care to have an actual discussion.
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Well. What a stupid topic. Can I get a day of remembrance for the time I wasted reading this garbage?
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UncleBourbon33 posted...

Muh oppression!

I'm oppressed now you have to do everything I say.
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If I were y'all I'd be denouncing negi and everything he's saying. I'd be terrified if he were my spokesman.
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glitteringfairy posted...

If I were y'all I'd be denouncing negi and everything he's saying. I'd be terrified if he were my spokesman.

This has already happened.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75972121?page=1#80

She can't even get other trans people to pretend to like her for "the cause". That's how awful she is.
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gunplagirl posted...

Anyone can say "I support trans people" but if their arguments run contrary to that? They don't. They really, really don't. "I support trans people but wouldn't date one" shows that they don't consider us on equal footing to our cis counterparts. And that's the most common "but" that's used.

And calling out oppressors isn't mocking or comparable to being dehumanized.

thanosibe posted...

gunplagirl posted...

thanosibe posted...

gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

If you're into women and exclude trans women on the assumption of their chromosomes, that's transmisogyny.

You can repeat this as many times as you want, using as many buzzwords as you want, but that doesn't make it true. Many (probably most, if not almost all) heterosexual men do not have transgender in their sexual preference, nor should they if you understand that sexual attraction originally evolved as a mechanism for procreation.

Like I said, some people have more fluid sexualities and are into transgenders, and that's great. But you're being awfully bigoted for trying to demonize people for having a sexual preference you don't approve of.

I'm the bigot for saying that men who are attracted to women should be attracted to women?

They use fake science to validate their biases. Not every straight guy is looking for procreation. Are you some Christian "no hook ups, only procreating sex" type? Because if not, that's completely irrelevant to any guy looking to get his dick wet.

Since the thread turned to this I will post what I did in Sayoria's thread. Because you seem to have a hard time grasping the concept between preference and outright bigotry towards transgendered people.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/76004488/890694359

Never said you have to go out and date one, but thanks for playing. Johnny, tell him what he won.

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omega cookie posted...

glitteringfairy posted...

If I were y'all I'd be denouncing negi and everything he's saying. I'd be terrified if he were my spokesman.

This has already happened.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75972121?page=1#80

She can't even get other trans people to pretend to like her for "the cause". That's how awful she is.

That's awesome. Good on Say.
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YuriSakazaki0 posted...

what about trans men and non binaries though wtf

They deserve love and support too, especially NB trans people who are about as invisible to the GP as you can get.

Thing we shouldn't forget though is that trans men have a much easier time 'blending in' with cis men and therefore are less likely to be victims of violence (EDIT: this is not to say that they are not obviously.) They're still discriminated against, but eventually to maintain patriarchal dominance they will be accepted into the ranks of 'real men.'
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Jesus Christ this topic.

Especially Gunplagirl, QueenCarly, and NinjaBreakfast. Just get off the fucking internet. You'll be doing us and yourselves a favor.

and for god sakes get some damn READING COMPREHENSION LESSONS!
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Why should I buy some stranger pizza?
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Whose shit alt is QueenCarly?
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thelovefist posted...

Whose shit alt is QueenCarly?

Why does it matter?
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omega cookie posted...

glitteringfairy posted...

If I were y'all I'd be denouncing negi and everything he's saying. I'd be terrified if he were my spokesman.

This has already happened.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75972121?page=1#80

She can't even get other trans people to pretend to like her for "the cause". That's how awful she is.

Wow, +respect for Say. Absolutely destroyed negi, negi ran away with her tail between her legs after that.

Funkydog posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Anyone can say "I support trans people" but if their arguments run contrary to that? They don't. They really, really don't. "I support trans people but wouldn't date one" shows that they don't consider us on equal footing to our cis counterparts. And that's the most common "but" that's used.

And calling out oppressors isn't mocking or comparable to being dehumanized.

You aren't just calling them out however. You are mocking and trying to dehumanise them.

And eh, I don't see someone not wanting to date someone the same as not considering them equal. Do I think they are silly if it is regards to someone post op? Sure. But people can't always stop what their preferences and comforts are for these things and trying to shame people for that isn't going to help people become more accepting of (whatever it happens to be)

Jeez the attitude sounds like they're demanding / entitled to sex.

End of the day a trans person IS different than a Cis gender person. In the long term you may want to spend the rest of your life with a person and cis & trans people are going to bring different dynamics to a relationship. What if a cis man wants to have biological children with a partner, so they aren't up for dating infertile women or trans women. Does that make them transphobic if that's their metric for not wanting to date?

Obviously not all men want kids, so great good for them. I prefer dating men myself, so I expect to not have biological children. But I understand that some men naturally do, and not go through processes like surrogates or adopt.

This is directed at @gunplagirl

who would've thought that self confessed 'reasonable' centrists and right wingers would try to 'dis-own' somebody with views to the left of theirs, what a shock.
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NinjaBreakfast posted...

who would've thought that self confessed 'reasonable' centrists and right wingers would try to 'dis-own' somebody with views to the left of theirs, what a shock.

There's a point where a line of thought is so absurd that it transcends the political spectrum.
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Dis-pwned
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