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If you want to be an ally, you can either help by buying trans women pizza, or go the dog day afternoon route.

Speaking of which, dog day afternoon belongs to trans women. It's our movie because it highlights how massive a struggle it is for us to get our much needed surgeries. You know, ones that cis people demand we get before we can use the right bathroom?

Cis people, stop killing us. Also, make more efforts towards accepting us as we are and drop all your transmisogyny and other awful preconceptions. Help make our lives better. Like buying us pizza because many of us struggle financially because we are legally able to be discriminated against in nearly every state. And in some cities where we DID get protections, the state removed them by superseding them.

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What is dog day

I love dogs
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Lol

This topic is hilarious. Good shit, negi.
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Kaname_Madoka posted...

What is dog day

I love dogs

Dog day afternoon is a movie about a cis man robbing a bank to get the finances needed so his bride could get her gender confirmation surgery.

666Conservative posted...

Lol

Laughing at dead trans women is fucked up.

ThePrinceFish posted...

This topic is hilarious. Good shit, negi.

See above
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Wow TC, this topic is loaded with bait. Even for you gunplagirl, this topic is ridiculous.
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I think TC actually wants everyone to hate transgendered people so she can go on and on about how the entire population hates transgendered people instead of you know calling out people on a person to person basis when she finds out that they actually are hateful towards transgendered people.
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How does buying them pizza help though? Far better things to do, if someone is struggling to have enough to eat, than shitty junk food.
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thanosibe posted...

I think TC actually wants everyone to hate transgendered people so she can go on and on about how the entire population hates transgendered people instead of you know calling out people on a person to person basis when she finds out that actually are hateful towards transgendered people.

If you're cis and looking for reasons to hate trans people, that makes you a crappy person. Also for the longest time I thought your username was thanoscribe
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thanosibe posted...

I think TC actually wants everyone to hate transgendered people so she can go on and on about how the entire population hates transgendered people instead of you know calling out people on a person to person basis when she finds out that actually are hateful towards transgendered people.

The more negi posts, the more the rumors that negi is a normal troll acting like a trans troll to incite people against the trans community seem plausible.
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Wait a second so was TC a troll all along?
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ThePrinceFish posted...

The more negi posts, the more the rumors that negi is a normal troll acting like a trans troll to incite people against the trans community seem plausible.

This is becoming more and more likely...
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gunplagirl posted...

Dog day afternoon is a movie about a cis man robbing a bank to get the finances needed so his bride could get her gender confirmation surgery.

... Oh.

I don't think I'm going to rob a bank. Sorry.
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Dustin1280 posted...

Wow TC, this topic is loaded with bait. Even for you gunplagirl, this topic is ridiculous.

Yeah. I support trans people and their rights, but stuff like this is over-the-top and counterproductive to their cause
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gunplagirl posted...

gender confirmation surgery.

LOL
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Funkydog posted...

How does buying them pizza help though? Far better things to do, if someone is struggling to have enough to eat, than shitty junk food.

Are you kidding? That type of concern policing is messed up. It's inexpensive, generally food that everyone likes, and one of those pleasures that frankly, most trans women never get to experience because it's too much to spring for.

Article from last year
https://www.autostraddle.com/make-a-trans-woman-smile-on-tdor-by-buying-her-a-pizza-online-359462/amp/
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nice troll topic girl
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The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

gender confirmation surgery.

LOL

Terminology changes

As does the procedure

Sorry you couldn't be born in the 1830s like you wish you were, addy
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gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

gender confirmation surgery.

LOL

Terminology changes

As does the procedure

Sorry you couldn't be born in the 1830s like you wish you were, addy

Living in the 1830s would probably be better than living in fantasyland, where you clearly reside.
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What is dmab
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ThePrinceFish posted...

thanosibe posted...

I think TC actually wants everyone to hate transgendered people so she can go on and on about how the entire population hates transgendered people instead of you know calling out people on a person to person basis when she finds out that actually are hateful towards transgendered people.

The more negi posts, the more the rumors that negi is a normal troll acting like a trans troll to incite people against the trans community seem plausible.

I guess the fact harpie and vyrulisse can both verify my identity isn't enough?
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The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

gender confirmation surgery.

LOL

Terminology changes

As does the procedure

Sorry you couldn't be born in the 1830s like you wish you were, addy

Living in the 1830s would probably be better than living in fantasyland, where you clearly reside.

You mean a reality the past several years have seen more and more trans women murdered? Yeah how about that for exposure, where we are killed in larger numbers to the point it's becoming an epidemic. Say, did you ever post in that no knock manafort topic, or did you never post because that would have required acknowledging you were wrong and that the trump administration actually had people involved in illegal activities along the campaign trail?
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gunplagirl posted...

I guess the fact harpie and vyrulisse can both verify my identity isn't enough?

Assuming this is true, you make trans people look bad. You are literally a stereotype of everything single reason the trans community has it hard.

@Sayoria and @Sylph are far better people (in general) and much better at gaining support for the trans community then you will ever be.

There is one more trans person that I recall on CE but her name escapes me atm. Even though I can't remember her name offhand, she is STILL better for the trans community than you.
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Never mind I googled it

What makes a designated male at birth trans person different than a trans woman
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gunplagirl posted...

Funkydog posted...

How does buying them pizza help though? Far better things to do, if someone is struggling to have enough to eat, than shitty junk food.

Are you kidding? That type of concern policing is messed up. It's inexpensive, generally food that everyone likes, and one of those pleasures that frankly, most trans women never get to experience because it's too much to spring for.

Article from last year
https://www.autostraddle.com/make-a-trans-woman-smile-on-tdor-by-buying-her-a-pizza-online-359462/amp/

I mean, you could buy anyone financially struggling junk food, sure. I still think if they are genuinely struggling to get enough, then you should buy someone things they can stock up and keep that will last them though. I've never liked cheap pizza though myself really, and decent ones are something I consider a luxury even for myself. I might buy that once a year as 20 for chain pizza is a big expense, whereas 1-2 from a supermarket isn't.

However, I can see the merit for doing it as something special I suppose (for any disenfranchised group) but I've always felt if someone wanted to do something similar for me when I've been in similar situations of not having the means to eat I would've much prefered having basic supplies in the end.
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gunplagirl posted...

You mean a reality the past several years have seen more and more trans women murdered? Yeah how about that for exposure, where we are killed in larger numbers to the point it's becoming an epidemic.

You realize the disproportionate violence against transwomen is almost exclusively in the black community, right? For every other racial group, transwomen are not victims of violent crime at any higher rate than the general population. And transmen are victimized at a lower rate than the average, which I'm sure is disappointing for your oppression narrative.

But I'm also sure you will not approach this as the cultural problem that it is and continue pretending that there is widespread trans-related violence.

And the deflection you shoehorned in at the end is a nice admission that your talking points are failing.
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most trans women never get to experience because it's too much to spring for.

what

pizza is one of the least expensive foods ever
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Dustin1280 posted...

gunplagirl posted...

I guess the fact harpie and vyrulisse can both verify my identity isn't enough?

Assuming this is true, you make trans people look bad. You are literally a stereotype of everything single reason the trans community has it hard.

@Sayoria and @Sylph are far better people (in general) and much better at gaining support for the trans community then you will ever be.

There is one more trans person that I recall on CE but her name escapes me atm.

Sucking up to oppressors never helped anyone. *insert mlk "white moderate" quote here* Know how people have historically claimed their freedom from oppressors? Usually there was some sort of war. And by usually I mean besides white Canadians, nobody ever earned their rights or independence by being kind to their oppressors.

If somebody is at your throat and ready to strike, it behooves me not to try and explain to them and every other person, one by one, why what they're doing is wrong. They'll still be out for my blood regardless.

Wanna take a guess at how many of the trans women murdered this year were killed by partners or family members?
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I'll buy you some pizza

But it's gonna be Papa John's and I better not fucking hear you complain
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The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

You mean a reality the past several years have seen more and more trans women murdered? Yeah how about that for exposure, where we are killed in larger numbers to the point it's becoming an epidemic.

You realize the disproportionate violence against transwomen is almost exclusively in the black community, right? For every other racial group, transwomen are not victims of violent crime at any higher rate than the general population. And transmen are victimized at a lower rate than the average, which I'm sure is disappointing for your oppression narrative.

But I'm also sure you will not approach this as the cultural problem that it is and continue pretending that there is widespread trans-related violence.

And the deflection you shoehorned in at the end is a nice admission that your talking points are failing.

Notice how I didn't mention trans men once in this topic, only trans women? And the racial break down is where intersectional violence and discrimination comes in to play but every time I've mentioned it in the past, CE thinks I invented some new word.

It IS a cultural problem. Our society still thinks being attracted to a woman until finding out she's ever had a penis, then vomiting in disgust is perfectly fine for humor. And that actually being disgusted by trans women is totally acceptable.

That part at the end wasn't a deflection. I'm saying that you're so extremely biased and guilty of that which you accused me of, your objectivity is nonexistent.
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Kaname_Madoka posted...

Never mind I googled it

What makes a designated male at birth trans person different than a trans woman

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eston posted...

I'll buy you some pizza

But it's gonna be Papa John's and I better not fucking hear you complain

Oh no I'm such a snowfwake I can't... Sarcasm.

Actually I like papa John's but today I'm not home and the nearest location to me downtown would require a 50 minute detour for a physical pick up if you paid and that wouldn't work with my schedule. But thanks for the offer.

In an unrelated note, what's up with pizza places not delivering unless you are the one paying for it? All those prank calls like Jessi slaughter actually changed pizza policy, huh? :(
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Kaname_Madoka posted...

Kaname_Madoka posted...

Never mind I googled it

What makes a designated male at birth trans person different than a trans woman

Trans women are dmab women. The context of bringing up the terminology is all that differs.
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The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

gender confirmation surgery.

LOL

Go away you goon
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Normally I'd be all for buying my partner a pizza, but today we're making fried curry chicken for dinner tonight and that is way better than pizza.
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gunplagirl posted...

Our society still thinks being attracted to a woman until finding out she's ever had a penis, then vomiting in disgust is perfectly fine for humor. And that actually being disgusted by trans women is totally acceptable.

Disgusted is a bit extreme, but a straight being repulsed by the thought of having sex with a transwoman is a perfectly natural and normal reaction. If some dudes are more fluid with their sexuality and include transpeople in the preference, that's great for them. But you're oddly the one who is a bigot by being intolerant of some sexual preference. No different than insulting a gay man for not being into women.
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gunplagirl posted...

Kaname_Madoka posted...

Kaname_Madoka posted...

Never mind I googled it

What makes a designated male at birth trans person different than a trans woman

Trans women are dmab women. The context of bringing up the terminology is all that differs.

Ok I get it
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If you were my only source of information and/or experience with a transgender people then I would hate EVERYTHING about transgender people and be completely turned off.

Thankfully, you are an outlier not the norm and the NOT CRAZY trans people have helped me understand and accept transgender people in general.
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Feel free to forward all pizza to me I'll make sure it gets to its proper destination.

My stomach
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Dustin1280 posted...

If you were my only source of information and/or experience with a transgender people then I would hate EVERYTHING about transgender people and be completely turned off.

Thankfully, you are an outlier not the norm and the NOT CRAZY trans people have helped me understand and accept transgender people in general.

So basically trans people only matter to you if they behave 'respectably' and don't cause a stir

Noted.
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The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Our society still thinks being attracted to a woman until finding out she's ever had a penis, then vomiting in disgust is perfectly fine for humor. And that actually being disgusted by trans women is totally acceptable.

Disgusted at just the existence is extreme, but a straight guy being repulsed by the thought of having sex with a transwoman, especially one who still has male genitalia, is a perfectly natural and normal reaction. If some dudes are more fluid with their sexuality and include transpeople in the preference, that's great for them. But you're oddly the one who is a bigot by being intolerant of the sexual preference of people who aren't into transgenders. No different than insulting a gay man for not being into women.

The two aren't comparable. If you're straight, then the only reason to exclude dating or attraction to post vaginoplasty trans women is because you don't consider them women in some degree.
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gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Our society still thinks being attracted to a woman until finding out she's ever had a penis, then vomiting in disgust is perfectly fine for humor. And that actually being disgusted by trans women is totally acceptable.

Disgusted at just the existence is extreme, but a straight guy being repulsed by the thought of having sex with a transwoman, especially one who still has male genitalia, is a perfectly natural and normal reaction. If some dudes are more fluid with their sexuality and include transpeople in the preference, that's great for them. But you're oddly the one who is a bigot by being intolerant of the sexual preference of people who aren't into transgenders. No different than insulting a gay man for not being into women.

The two aren't comparable. If you're straight, then the only reason to exclude dating or attraction to post vaginoplasty trans women is because you don't consider them women in some degree.

Theyre biologically men, so this distinction should be understandable to anyone.
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The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Our society still thinks being attracted to a woman until finding out she's ever had a penis, then vomiting in disgust is perfectly fine for humor. And that actually being disgusted by trans women is totally acceptable.

Disgusted at just the existence is extreme, but a straight guy being repulsed by the thought of having sex with a transwoman, especially one who still has male genitalia, is a perfectly natural and normal reaction. If some dudes are more fluid with their sexuality and include transpeople in the preference, that's great for them. But you're oddly the one who is a bigot by being intolerant of the sexual preference of people who aren't into transgenders. No different than insulting a gay man for not being into women.

The two aren't comparable. If you're straight, then the only reason to exclude dating or attraction to post vaginoplasty trans women is because you don't consider them women in some degree.

Theyre biologically men, so this distinction should be understandable to anyone.

Biological essentialism is nothing more than a pseudo-scientific attempt to justify transphobia.
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QueenCarly posted...

Dustin1280 posted...

If you were my only source of information and/or experience with a transgender people then I would hate EVERYTHING about transgender people and be completely turned off.

Thankfully, you are an outlier not the norm and the NOT CRAZY trans people have helped me understand and accept transgender people in general.

So basically trans people only matter to you if they behave 'respectably' and don't cause a stir

Noted.

Literally this. It's historically been a common tactic used to deny rights to minorities. "Uppity" being used against black people who wanted equal rights and fair treatment even into the 70s when it finally fell out of common use in America.
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QueenCarly posted...

The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Our society still thinks being attracted to a woman until finding out she's ever had a penis, then vomiting in disgust is perfectly fine for humor. And that actually being disgusted by trans women is totally acceptable.

Disgusted at just the existence is extreme, but a straight guy being repulsed by the thought of having sex with a transwoman, especially one who still has male genitalia, is a perfectly natural and normal reaction. If some dudes are more fluid with their sexuality and include transpeople in the preference, that's great for them. But you're oddly the one who is a bigot by being intolerant of the sexual preference of people who aren't into transgenders. No different than insulting a gay man for not being into women.

The two aren't comparable. If you're straight, then the only reason to exclude dating or attraction to post vaginoplasty trans women is because you don't consider them women in some degree.

Theyre biologically men, so this distinction should be understandable to anyone.

Biological essentialism is nothing more than a pseudo-scientific attempt to justify transphobia.

The term biological essentialism is pseudoscience. Chromosomal differences and sexual dimorphism are actual science.
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Lmao

The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Our society still thinks being attracted to a woman until finding out she's ever had a penis, then vomiting in disgust is perfectly fine for humor. And that actually being disgusted by trans women is totally acceptable.

Disgusted at just the existence is extreme, but a straight guy being repulsed by the thought of having sex with a transwoman, especially one who still has male genitalia, is a perfectly natural and normal reaction. If some dudes are more fluid with their sexuality and include transpeople in the preference, that's great for them. But you're oddly the one who is a bigot by being intolerant of the sexual preference of people who aren't into transgenders. No different than insulting a gay man for not being into women.

The two aren't comparable. If you're straight, then the only reason to exclude dating or attraction to post vaginoplasty trans women is because you don't consider them women in some degree.

Theyre biologically men, so this distinction should be understandable to anyone.

Have you phenotyped every trans women? And how do you account for the fact that intersex people exist and are still mutilated at birth? There's still plenty of xx women being born with both a (micro)penis and vagina every year. It's not even 100% accurate in humans. And then when you look at non mammalian creatures, there's plenty of lizards and fish who can swap (in some cases,, back and forth) throughout their life span. Don't use inaccurate science to justify your bias, it's intellectually dishonest.
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gunplagirl posted...

Literally this. It's historically been a common tactic used to deny rights to minorities. "Uppity" being used against black people who wanted equal rights and fair treatment even into the 70s when it finally fell out of common use in America.

I've no problem with "uppityness". Heck, I've been that myself in advocating for LGBT rights. But you go way beyond that into outright hate and spite of your own in spades and put up a hostile front that only ensures you are met with it back.

You can be alright at times, but more often than not you revert to a very hateful ball of spite.
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QueenCarly posted...

So basically trans people only matter to you if they behave 'respectably' and don't cause a stir

Noted.

gunplagirl posted...

Literally this. It's historically been a common tactic used to deny rights to minorities. "Uppity" being used against black people who wanted equal rights and fair treatment even into the 70s when it finally fell out of common use in America.

More specifically trans people matter to me as a whole because those that were interested in helping me understand their situation as best as they were able to do did so, as opposed to those like gunplagirl who are only interested strong-arming people and telling them to fall in line.

@QueenCarly
@gunplagirl
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gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

The Admiral posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Our society still thinks being attracted to a woman until finding out she's ever had a penis, then vomiting in disgust is perfectly fine for humor. And that actually being disgusted by trans women is totally acceptable.

Disgusted at just the existence is extreme, but a straight guy being repulsed by the thought of having sex with a transwoman, especially one who still has male genitalia, is a perfectly natural and normal reaction. If some dudes are more fluid with their sexuality and include transpeople in the preference, that's great for them. But you're oddly the one who is a bigot by being intolerant of the sexual preference of people who aren't into transgenders. No different than insulting a gay man for not being into women.

The two aren't comparable. If you're straight, then the only reason to exclude dating or attraction to post vaginoplasty trans women is because you don't consider them women in some degree.

Theyre biologically men, so this distinction should be understandable to anyone.

Have you phenotyped every trans women? And how do you account for the fact that intersex people exist and are still mutilated at birth? There's still plenty of xx women being born with both a (micro)penis and vagina every year. It's not even 100% accurate in humans. And then when you look at non mammalian creatures, there's plenty of lizards and fish who can swap (in some cases,, back and forth) throughout their life span. Don't use inaccurate science to justify your bias, it's intellectually dishonest.

Intersex is a mutation. Its not support for anything youre claiming in regards to transgenders.
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