Current Events > Justice League might open up to less than 90M

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/11/17/box-office-justice-league-earns-a-troubling-13m-thursday/#548c16f12b9b

Warner Bros./Time Warner Inc.s Justice League opened last night, with shows starting as early as 6 pm. And those showings pulled in just $13 million, which is way below the preview screenings for Man of Steel ($21m) back in 2013, Suicide Squad ($20m) and Batman v Superman ($27.7m). Its just above the $11m Thursday previews for Wonder Woman, but its still below, for example, the $14.5m Thursday gross for Thor: Ragnarok just two weeks ago.

Man of Steel and Batman v Superman both pulled in 16.5% of their overall opening weekends on Thursday while Suicide Squad earned $20 million of its $133m debut (14.9%) on Thursday and Wonder Woman snagged $11m of its $103m debut (10.6%) of its weekend via previews.

So, if the film plays like a standard DC Films feature, were looking at a weekend between and $78 million and $87 million, which would be quite terrible considering that this is a friggin Justice League movie and even the R-rated, 2D Logan snagged an $88m opening this past March.

WB is probably looking for someone to blame right now.

They have no one to blame but themselves if that happens, they chose Hack Snyder after all.
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Zack Snyder gonna be WB's sacrificial lamb
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ThePrinceFish posted...

Zack Snyder gonna be WB's sacrificial lamb

A lot of DCEU fans are blaming Whedon lol

NewerMernardi posted...

Its just above the $11m Thursday previews for Wonder Woman,

I love this part! So even though it did more than the wildly successful Wonder Woman, let's get these negative hit pieces going!

Wooooooow.

And the production budget was 300 Million. That is production. Not even counting advertising and such

They might LOSE money on a fucking justice league movie.
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NewerMernardi posted...

ThePrinceFish posted...

Zack Snyder gonna be WB's sacrificial lamb

A lot of DCEU fans are blaming Whedon lol

Doesn't matter what the fans think. WB will blame Zack Snyder. Bank on it.
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KazumaKiryu posted...

NewerMernardi posted...

Its just above the $11m Thursday previews for Wonder Woman,

I love this part! So even though it did more than the wildly successful Wonder Woman, let's get these negative hit pieces going!

KazumaKiryu posted...

NewerMernardi posted...

Its just above the $11m Thursday previews for Wonder Woman,

I love this part! So even though it did more than the wildly successful Wonder Woman, let's get these negative hit pieces going!

Your trolling needs a lot of work
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

KazumaKiryu posted...

NewerMernardi posted...

Its just above the $11m Thursday previews for Wonder Woman,

I love this part! So even though it did more than the wildly successful Wonder Woman, let's get these negative hit pieces going!

Your trolling needs a lot of work

Right, I'm the troll.

Wonder Woman Thursday previews do $11 million -- in the summer when the kids are off school - movie goes on to do gangbusters

Justice League Thursday previews do $13 million -- on a school night -- sound the alarms, this thing is a bust!

Yet I'm the troll.

NewerMernardi posted...

KazumaKiryu posted...

NewerMernardi posted...

Its just above the $11m Thursday previews for Wonder Woman,

I love this part! So even though it did more than the wildly successful Wonder Woman, let's get these negative hit pieces going!

Lol number 4 that brain chair killed me.
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MC_BatCommander posted...

They have no one to blame but themselves if that happens, they chose Hack Snyder after all.

Not even that, but their track record in general is just shit. I'm a diehard DC fan, but I won't even go see it in theaters. They've fucked their movie universe beyond recovery.
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I hate Snyder and the DCU as much as the next normal human being, but Justice League was surprisingly enjoyable.
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KazumaKiryu posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

KazumaKiryu posted...

NewerMernardi posted...

Its just above the $11m Thursday previews for Wonder Woman,

I love this part! So even though it did more than the wildly successful Wonder Woman, let's get these negative hit pieces going!

Your trolling needs a lot of work

Right, I'm the troll.

Wonder Woman Thursday previews do $11 million -- in the summer when the kids are off school - movie goes on to do gangbusters

Justice League Thursday previews do $13 million -- on a school night -- sound the alarms, this thing is a bust!

Yet I'm the troll.

Yes you are a troll for trying to spin the midnight numbers as something positive. This POS will barely gross slightly more than half the amout of BvS, and will fall short of Wonder Woman. The contender to Avengers, Justice League that features DC's biggest superheros, will gross less than the solo Wonder Woman movie. No matter how you try to spin that, it's a huge disappointment.

Also that picture that NewerMernardi posted is amazing. Funniest shit I've seen in a while.

That picture never gets old

KazumaKiryu posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

KazumaKiryu posted...

NewerMernardi posted...

Its just above the $11m Thursday previews for Wonder Woman,

I love this part! So even though it did more than the wildly successful Wonder Woman, let's get these negative hit pieces going!

Your trolling needs a lot of work

Right, I'm the troll.

Wonder Woman Thursday previews do $11 million -- in the summer when the kids are off school - movie goes on to do gangbusters

Justice League Thursday previews do $13 million -- on a school night -- sound the alarms, this thing is a bust!

Yet I'm the troll.

Reportedly the movie needs a $600 million Box Office to break even

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/justice-league-dc-reviews-box-office-ben-affleck-1202615975/

Currently the movie is not hitting expected figures. If it doesn't crack a billion like Marvel does then it is not worth DC's investment.

Going "It might beat out Wonder Woman" isn't the defense you think it is
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NathanX95 posted...

Yes you are a troll for trying to spin the midnight numbers as something positive. This POS will barely gross slightly more than half the amout of BvS, and will fall short of Wonder Woman. The contender to Avengers, Justice League that features DC's biggest superheros, will gross less than the solo Wonder Woman movie. No matter how you try to spin that, it's a huge disappointment.

I don't need to spin anything, you do. Let me lay it out in a way even you can understand.

- Wonder Woman was wildly successful and stands as the number 2 movie of 2017.

- It was released in June, when the kids are out of school.

- It did huge numbers because not only were comic book fans seeing it, but feminists as well.

- Despite all this, Justice League did $2 million MORE.

Yet here were are, you trying to spin that as a negative.

Oh Kazu you are entertaining

KazumaKiryu posted...

NathanX95 posted...

Yes you are a troll for trying to spin the midnight numbers as something positive. This POS will barely gross slightly more than half the amout of BvS, and will fall short of Wonder Woman. The contender to Avengers, Justice League that features DC's biggest superheros, will gross less than the solo Wonder Woman movie. No matter how you try to spin that, it's a huge disappointment.

I don't need to spin anything, you do. Let me lay it out in a way even you can understand.

- Wonder Woman was wildly successful and stands as the number 2 movie of 2017.

- It was released in June, when the kids are out of school.

- It did huge numbers because not only were comic book fans seeing it, but feminists as well.

- Despite all this, Justice League did $2 million MORE.

Yet here were are, you trying to spin that as a negative.

This is the most sigless user logic to ever sigless user logic
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No honestly like what the fuck is wrong with you people?

KazumaKiryu posted...

No honestly like what the fuck is wrong with you people?

Sounds like we've hit stage 3.

iron jojo posted...

NewerMernardi posted...

KazumaKiryu posted...

NewerMernardi posted...

Its just above the $11m Thursday previews for Wonder Woman,

I love this part! So even though it did more than the wildly successful Wonder Woman, let's get these negative hit pieces going!

Lol number 4 that brain chair killed me.

That pic is amazing
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NathanX95 posted...

The contender to Avengers, Justice League that features DC's biggest superheros, will gross less than the solo Wonder Woman movie. No matter how you try to spin that, it's a huge disappointment.

I feel the bigger deal is it potentially not outgrossing an at best B-tier hero in Thor.
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BLAKUboy posted...

I feel the bigger deal is it potentially not outgrossing an at best B-tier hero in Thor.

Thor isn't a B-tier hero anymore.

Things have changed. The movies are now bigger than the comics.

Thor and Ironman are now mainstream.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

KazumaKiryu posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

KazumaKiryu posted...

NewerMernardi posted...

Its just above the $11m Thursday previews for Wonder Woman,

I love this part! So even though it did more than the wildly successful Wonder Woman, let's get these negative hit pieces going!

Your trolling needs a lot of work

Right, I'm the troll.

Wonder Woman Thursday previews do $11 million -- in the summer when the kids are off school - movie goes on to do gangbusters

Justice League Thursday previews do $13 million -- on a school night -- sound the alarms, this thing is a bust!

Yet I'm the troll.

Reportedly the movie needs a $600 million Box Office to break even

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/justice-league-dc-reviews-box-office-ben-affleck-1202615975/

Currently the movie is not hitting expected figures. If it doesn't crack a billion like Marvel does then it is not worth DC's investment.

Going "It might beat out Wonder Woman" isn't the defense you think it is

See, here's where I know you're full of shit. Again, Wonder Woman was wildly successful. It is the number 2 movie of 2017 in domestic box office grosses. And guess what else?

It has made $821 million!

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?view2=worldwide&yr=2017&p=.htm

Much more than the $600 million figure you're spouting. So do you get what that means? If Justice League passes what Wonder Woman did, it's an enormous success!

Why am I the only one pointing out how full of shit this whole thing is?

If a movie needs 600m to break even, they're going to want at the very least 900m or 1b to consider the film successful.

I still don't know why I'm arguing with this troll, but whatever.

Wonder Woman had great legs (hehe) because it was good.

If People have negative reaction to JL, they're not going to see it multiple times, they aren't going to recommend it to friends, and it's going to drop off the box office charts quickly. It could have a stronger opening and absolutely do worse overall.
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"Oh no, an absurd amount of people are going to watch our movie instead of a slightly more absurd amount"

If you can't make money off this, just spend a bit less on explosions and special effects to balance it out

1. Reviews count actually don't count for that large a percentage of box office. Suicide Squad was abysmal and its reviews reflected that. It was also really profitable earning 15% less than Civil War.
2. The weekend has barely started
3. Who pours over box office financial reports? This is some weird fantasy football shit.
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If Justice League hits 800 mil then it has made a profit but not a big one considering the investment.

It really needs to hit a billion and it's so far hitting below par and getting mediocre reviews.
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

"Oh no, an absurd amount of people are going to watch our movie instead of a slightly more absurd amount"

If you can't make money off this, just spend a bit less on explosions and special effects to balance it out

It's ok if you don't follow movie stuff, but making less than 100m is a big deal for Justice League.

NewerMernardi posted...

Darklit_Minuet posted...

"Oh no, an absurd amount of people are going to watch our movie instead of a slightly more absurd amount"

If you can't make money off this, just spend a bit less on explosions and special effects to balance it out

It's ok if you don't follow movie stuff, but making less than 100m is a big deal for Justice League.

Cool. Let's speculate more on that when you have more data, and not just the opening projections from Thursday night.
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NewerMernardi posted...

If a movie needs 600m to break even, they're going to want at the very least 900m or 1b to consider the film successful.

I still don't know why I'm arguing with this troll, but whatever.

>makes a topic about pointless speculation of failure

>posts an enormous picture that disrupts the page trolling anyone who says otherwise

>calls other people trolls

It's ok buddy, you'll be ok. The pain can only last so long.

I can't imagine it wouldn't do $100m it's opening weekend. But foreign audiences eat up these gigantic cgi fest movies, so I have no doubt the foreign box office will carry this over the finish line.

Let me see real quick though....

Production Budget: $300 - I'm willing to bet it was more with the re-shoots and such but let's go with that.

Marketing: The industry standard is $100m, but again I can almost guarantee this probably had closer to a $175m marketing budget. I'll meet it half way(ish) on this one and say $140m.

So that's $440m (honestly it's probably more) to get this movie out the door.

Studios typically get around 65% of the ticket sales on the first week and it decreases each week the movie is in the theater, making it nearly impossible to say for sure THIS is what a movie needs to do to be successful. For simplicity sake we'll go with an average of 60% over it's run in the US going back to the studio simply because most movies tend to get the bulk of their box office in the first couple of weeks and then fizzle out.

So that means that in order to break even, JL needs to do around $615m domestic to break even. Which we know won't happen, but there's where foreign box office comes in.

BvS did $330m in it's domestic run on a $250 budget (again, it was probably more). With our $100m marketing costs (again it was probably more) that comes to $350m. Meaning it needed... $490m domestic to break even. Which it didn't do, but did make $542m in foreign box office. The percentage of what the movie studio gets varies from country to country, but a pretty good average from all of them comes to about 30%. So using our 60% of Domestic, 30% of Foreign that we established, WB took in about $361m off of BvS's $873m world wide box office. Taking in $361 on a picture that costs you $350 to get into theater's isn't great. But, then you also have all the merchandising that goes with it and the licensing of the characters to other media, etc. So really at the end of the day even though the movie may not of brought in the numbers they wanted, they most assuredly still made a healthy profit off of it.

So all in all in order for JL to "make money" we are looking at around....

$440m Estimated cost of Production and Marketing

$400m Domestic
$670m Foreign
$1.07b Worldwide needed to 'break even'.

I mean... yeah... damn....

Again this doesn't factor in merchandising, licensing, product placement, and all that jazz. But pretty much anything less than 1b world wide and you could legit say it wasn't successful.

TLDR: I like numbers and JL needs to make 1bil-ish just to break even. (Not really with marketing and product placement, but if you were going off straight ticket sales it would need 1 billion friggin' dollars.)

*Edit* Keep in mind that these larger studios typically work out higher starting percentages with theaters so the bulk of the box office coming in is during the first 2 weeks will likely be at a 70%ish rate going to the studio. But in the interest of fairness I went with a average total of 60% going to the studio. And I'm not trying to say anything negative or positive about the movie, I just genuinely find this stuff fascinating.
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KazumaKiryu posted...

NathanX95 posted...

Yes you are a troll for trying to spin the midnight numbers as something positive. This POS will barely gross slightly more than half the amout of BvS, and will fall short of Wonder Woman. The contender to Avengers, Justice League that features DC's biggest superheros, will gross less than the solo Wonder Woman movie. No matter how you try to spin that, it's a huge disappointment.

I don't need to spin anything, you do. Let me lay it out in a way even you can understand.

- Wonder Woman was wildly successful and stands as the number 2 movie of 2017.

- It was released in June, when the kids are out of school.

- It did huge numbers because not only were comic book fans seeing it, but feminists as well.

- Despite all this, Justice League did $2 million MORE.

Yet here were are, you trying to spin that as a negative.

Holy shit, the denial is strong with this one. If things hold, it will barely gross slightly over half of Batman vs Superman. That is fucking shit. If it has anywhere as terrible legs as BvS, it will end up with a domestic gross of maybe $200 million. That would put it amongst the lowest grossing comic book movies in recent years. Yet we're talking about Justice League here. The way things are looking, it will struggle to break even, let alone make profit. Please stop with your ignorant bullshit, you're only embarrassing yourself here.

NathanX95 posted...

Holy shit, the denial is strong with this one. If things hold, it will barely gross slightly over half of Batman vs Superman. That is fucking shit. If it has anywhere as terrible legs as BvS, it will end up with a domestic gross of maybe $200 million. That would put it amongst the lowest grossing comic book movies in recent years. Yet we're talking about Justice League here. The way things are looking, it will struggle to break even, let alone make profit. Please stop with your ignorant bullshit, you're only embarrassing yourself here.

It's fucking Friday afternoon. You have no clue what you're talking about. Come back on Monday and then we'll be able to see what happened.

Darklit_Minuet posted...

"Oh no, an absurd amount of people are going to watch our movie instead of a slightly more absurd amount"

If you can't make money off this, just spend a bit less on explosions and special effects to balance it out

This is exactly why Snyder is going down for this. He is the guy who injects massive amount of effects into the movie.
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KazumaKiryu posted...

NathanX95 posted...

Holy shit, the denial is strong with this one. If things hold, it will barely gross slightly over half of Batman vs Superman. That is fucking shit. If it has anywhere as terrible legs as BvS, it will end up with a domestic gross of maybe $200 million. That would put it amongst the lowest grossing comic book movies in recent years. Yet we're talking about Justice League here. The way things are looking, it will struggle to break even, let alone make profit. Please stop with your ignorant bullshit, you're only embarrassing yourself here.

It's fucking Friday afternoon. You have no clue what you're talking about. Come back on Monday and then we'll be able to see what happened.

I'm getting my info from the article dumb fuck. They're able to make accurate estimates using past DC movies. Not that it matters to someone as dense as yourself.

NathanX95 posted...

KazumaKiryu posted...

NathanX95 posted...

Holy shit, the denial is strong with this one. If things hold, it will barely gross slightly over half of Batman vs Superman. That is fucking shit. If it has anywhere as terrible legs as BvS, it will end up with a domestic gross of maybe $200 million. That would put it amongst the lowest grossing comic book movies in recent years. Yet we're talking about Justice League here. The way things are looking, it will struggle to break even, let alone make profit. Please stop with your ignorant bullshit, you're only embarrassing yourself here.

It's fucking Friday afternoon. You have no clue what you're talking about. Come back on Monday and then we'll be able to see what happened.

I'm getting my info from the article dumb fuck. They're able to make accurate estimates using past DC movies. Not that it matters to someone as dense as yourself.

Forbes does opinion articles. It's all speculation. All the real data we have is Thursday previews, which were MORE successful than Wonder Woman. So honestly shut the fuck up.

KazumaKiryu posted...

NathanX95 posted...

KazumaKiryu posted...

NathanX95 posted...

Holy shit, the denial is strong with this one. If things hold, it will barely gross slightly over half of Batman vs Superman. That is fucking shit. If it has anywhere as terrible legs as BvS, it will end up with a domestic gross of maybe $200 million. That would put it amongst the lowest grossing comic book movies in recent years. Yet we're talking about Justice League here. The way things are looking, it will struggle to break even, let alone make profit. Please stop with your ignorant bullshit, you're only embarrassing yourself here.

It's fucking Friday afternoon. You have no clue what you're talking about. Come back on Monday and then we'll be able to see what happened.

I'm getting my info from the article dumb fuck. They're able to make accurate estimates using past DC movies. Not that it matters to someone as dense as yourself.

Forbes does opinion articles. It's all speculation. All the real data we have is Thursday previews, which were MORE successful than Wonder Woman. So honestly shut the fuck up.

Lmao, keep it up pal. You've already embarrassed yourself enough. Come Monday, and the box office totals are in, you're going to look like a even bigger fucking idiot. Anyways, I've wasted enough time with your sorry ass, keep staying in denial.

Im team Marvel all day everyday and even I think people should wait until at least Sunday before calling it a failure.

Just saw it btw. Its aight >_>
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KazumaKiryu posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

KazumaKiryu posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

KazumaKiryu posted...

NewerMernardi posted...

Its just above the $11m Thursday previews for Wonder Woman,

I love this part! So even though it did more than the wildly successful Wonder Woman, let's get these negative hit pieces going!

Your trolling needs a lot of work

Right, I'm the troll.

Wonder Woman Thursday previews do $11 million -- in the summer when the kids are off school - movie goes on to do gangbusters

Justice League Thursday previews do $13 million -- on a school night -- sound the alarms, this thing is a bust!

Yet I'm the troll.

Reportedly the movie needs a $600 million Box Office to break even

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/justice-league-dc-reviews-box-office-ben-affleck-1202615975/

Currently the movie is not hitting expected figures. If it doesn't crack a billion like Marvel does then it is not worth DC's investment.

Going "It might beat out Wonder Woman" isn't the defense you think it is

See, here's where I know you're full of shit. Again, Wonder Woman was wildly successful. It is the number 2 movie of 2017 in domestic box office grosses. And guess what else?

It has made $821 million!

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?view2=worldwide&yr=2017&p=.htm

Much more than the $600 million figure you're spouting. So do you get what that means? If Justice League passes what Wonder Woman did, it's an enormous success!

Why am I the only one pointing out how full of shit this whole thing is?

Wonder Woman had half the budget of Justice league( 149 Million vs 300 Million) and also didnt have the star power of Batman and Superman backing it up.

Twice the budget + Batman and Superman and the standards for being a huge success are raised a lot.

And considering this is the debut movie for at least 2 DCEU heroes and intended to be the avengers of the DCEU I assure you anything more than a little under a billion will be disappointing to Warner Bros.

If this movie only barely breaks even or turns a middling profit its going to damage the entire DCEU universe badly. The mediocre critical reception already has done damage.

Also its worth noting the 600$ Million number for a profit says...

When tens of millions of dollars in worldwide marketing and distribution costs are added in, Justice League would have to bring in a lofty sum of around $600 million from ticket sales alone and additional revenue from ancillaries like pay-TV and home entertainment in order to turn a profit.
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ClunkerSlim posted...

Don't worry. Justice League should rake in some cash Thanksgiving Weekend since there's not anything else really on.

People are going to go see Coco

ClunkerSlim posted...

Don't worry. Justice League should rake in some cash Thanksgiving Weekend since there's not anything else really on.

LEts hope so
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UnfairRepresent posted...

ClunkerSlim posted...

Don't worry. Justice League should rake in some cash Thanksgiving Weekend since there's not anything else really on.

LEts hope so

Coco opens up next week.

RIP Justice League