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The Admiral
11/14/17 2:23:00 PM
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Just can her. She was obviously making inappropriate comments also, was reprimanded, and is now trying to get onto the sexual assault bandwagon for victim attention.

This kind of nonsense just undermines women who are actually victims, like the ones assaulted by Weinstein. It needs to be smacked down hard by everyone.

#ThatsOurAdmiral


The document, which Plagge shared with Kotaku, stated: With regards to the investigation of harassment, evidence was presented to show a lack of professionalism in your part as well as others. Communication between you and Vince were both inappropriate, unprofessional, and violated our harassment policy.


Why is it that you believe only the parts of the story that you want and ignore this? She signed a document admitting that she made inappropriate comments also, which is not surprising for co-workers out drinking. Now you want to discard this document and just believe the one-sided version of someone seeking victim attention.
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That_Happened
11/14/17 2:34:20 PM
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The Admiral posted...
She signed a document admitting that she made inappropriate comments also, which is not surprising for co-workers out drinking. Now you want to discard this document and just believe the one-sided version of someone seeking victim attention.

She said she was forced to sign the document or risk being fired. In addition to that, when women are put in that position they often don't storm out and run away because of the concern over how the guy might react. To compare it to Louis CK's recent problems, two of the women didn't run away because they were scared to shit that he might try to rape them. They put up with his behavior for as long as they could and then excused themselves when he was finished. Women do this constantly because they know they're not in the power position.

It's like if you were in a room with a tiger. You wouldn't run out of there as fast as you could, you'd slowly try to make your way to the door as not to anger the animal and cause it to attack.
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Eat More Beef
11/14/17 2:49:21 PM
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That_Happened posted...
The Admiral posted...
She signed a document admitting that she made inappropriate comments also, which is not surprising for co-workers out drinking. Now you want to discard this document and just believe the one-sided version of someone seeking victim attention.

She said she was forced to sign the document or risk being fired. In addition to that, when women are put in that position they often don't storm out and run away because of the concern over how the guy might react. To compare it to Louis CK's recent problems, two of the women didn't run away because they were scared to shit that he might try to rape them. They put up with his behavior for as long as they could and then excused themselves when he was finished. Women do this constantly because they know they're not in the power position.

It's like if you were in a room with a tiger. You wouldn't run out of there as fast as you could, you'd slowly try to make your way to the door as not to anger the animal and cause it to attack.


I get what you're saying, but I gotta agree, somewhat, with The Admiral's position (and boy-howdy do I feel dirty doing so). She signed the paper, and now regrets doing it. Does this mean any legally signed document can now be thrown away when the signee decides a year later that they regret signing it? This opens up a serious can of worms that we don't want opened.
Also, did the dude sign anything? I briefly skimmed the article so I don't know.

Lastly, good on the walk-out. Their HR department really fucked up.
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TommyG663513
11/14/17 2:49:51 PM
#54:


The Admiral posted...
That_Happened posted...
The Admiral posted...
Just can her. She was obviously making inappropriate comments also, was reprimanded, and is now trying to get onto the sexual assault bandwagon for victim attention.

This kind of nonsense just undermines women who are actually victims, like the ones assaulted by Weinstein. It needs to be smacked down hard by everyone.

#ThatsOurAdmiral


The document, which Plagge shared with Kotaku, stated: With regards to the investigation of harassment, evidence was presented to show a lack of professionalism in your part as well as others. Communication between you and Vince were both inappropriate, unprofessional, and violated our harassment policy.


Why is it that you believe only the parts of the story that you want and ignore this? She signed a document admitting that she made inappropriate comments also, which is not surprising for co-workers out drinking. Now you want to discard this document and just believe the one-sided version of someone seeking victim attention.


I know this is the Admiral, but I do genuinely have to ask "what could she have said that was inappropriate?"

I don't get how she could be forced to sign something admitting guilt or be fired or what evidence they have of her guilt.

I don't understand why employees out drinking (presumably off the clock) is considered a concern for their employee.

To me, it sounds more like flirting that swayed too much towards inappropriate or creepy. His comments aren't so egregious that I am appalled by them. Not sure what prompted him to say that or the context of their conversation.

I'm mostly confused how three employees drinking together is a concern for their employer. Can someone explain how it relates to their work?

I'm also very confused why this walk out happens over a year after this happened. What prompted this suddenly coming up again.

Seriously, this sounds like the most petty sexual harassment claim I've read since this trend started up. If these comments were made unprompted to an employee at work I'd feel differently, but when the three employees are out drinking together it becomes different.
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That_Happened
11/14/17 2:53:34 PM
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Eat More Beef posted...
Does this mean any legally signed document can now be thrown away when the signee decides a year later that they regret signing it? This opens up a serious can of worms that we don't want opened.

No it doesn't. I don't think she's asking that the guy be sued or that anything legally happen to him. She's telling her story of what happened and accusing IGN of handling it poorly (which they admit to). The document that she signed doesnt need to be "thrown out" but we can recognize that the company may have forced her to sign something against her will, without taking them to court over it.
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Fuparulez
11/14/17 2:56:08 PM
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This whole "guilty until proven innocent" thing with regards to sexual harassment has got to stop.
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Eat More Beef
11/14/17 2:59:44 PM
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That_Happened posted...
Eat More Beef posted...
Does this mean any legally signed document can now be thrown away when the signee decides a year later that they regret signing it? This opens up a serious can of worms that we don't want opened.

No it doesn't. I don't think she's asking that the guy be sued or that anything legally happen to him. She's telling her story of what happened and accusing IGN of handling it poorly (which they admit to). The document that she signed doesnt need to be "thrown out" but we can recognize that the company may have forced her to sign something against her will, without taking them to court over it.


It could have happened that way. But what did the guy say that prompted them to issue a statement to her? Maybe he said she was leading him on, or he thought she was and just couldn't read the signals?
IMO, it's especially trickey since they were off work and drinking.
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TommyG663513
11/14/17 3:04:54 PM
#58:


Fuparulez posted...
This whole "guilty until proven innocent" thing with regards to sexual harassment has got to stop.


Well I agree, but the evidence becomes a he said she said unless someone admits to it or it is recorded in some way. It's just a very difficult thing to prove one way or another. I don't want people in power sexually harassing people, but I also don't want people to be falsely accused.

No idea what a solution could be. I can only acknowledge that the trend of guilty till proven innocent makes me uncomfortable.
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TommyG663513
11/14/17 3:12:09 PM
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I will also say that I don't at all understand why HR handled it the way that they did or why they are completely ok now with employees protesting over this. Nothing really makes all that much sense to me.

I will say that the accuser getting panic attacks over this and feeling traumatized certainly seems a tad dramatic. If her allegations are true, she certainly has a right to be upset, but that just sounds like a bit much.

What 'evidence' could HR have of anything beyond personal statements? This goes both ways to the accuser and the accused who apparently cited some inappropriate comments by her.
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jayj350
11/14/17 4:37:26 PM
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Fuparulez posted...
This whole "guilty until proven innocent" thing with regards to sexual harassment has got to stop.

To be fair that is how moderators patrol gaming forums
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Scotty_Rogers
11/14/17 4:38:36 PM
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LMAO, IGN taking another L!

GameFAQs won
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ZeroX91
11/14/17 4:39:52 PM
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So you're saying they are hiring???
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Sami1000
11/14/17 4:55:41 PM
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I have a feeling less and less women start getting hired if this keep up. Companies don't want negative image. It also makes one question whether these harassements are real, hugely exaggerated, or just down right fake. Gives good chances for gold diggers to get extra fame or money from law suits, or black mailing to keep all quiet. Not saying these women are liars.

Just some thoughts.
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That_Happened
11/14/17 4:57:12 PM
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Sami1000 posted...
I have a feeling less and less women start getting hired if this keep up. Companies don't want negative image. It also makes one question whether these harassements are real, hugely exaggerated, or just down right fake. Gives good chances for gold diggers to get extra fame or money from law suits, or black mailing to keep all quiet. Not saying these women are liars.

Just some thoughts.

If you're not saying these women are liars, then why would you question whether the harassments are real or exaggerated?
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Sami1000
11/14/17 5:06:56 PM
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That_Happened posted...
Sami1000 posted...
I have a feeling less and less women start getting hired if this keep up. Companies don't want negative image. It also makes one question whether these harassements are real, hugely exaggerated, or just down right fake. Gives good chances for gold diggers to get extra fame or money from law suits, or black mailing to keep all quiet. Not saying these women are liars.

Just some thoughts.

If you're not saying these women are liars, then why would you question whether the harassments are real or exaggerated?


I question them in general.
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Stalolin
11/14/17 7:41:23 PM
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Asherlee10 posted...
RagingRobophobe posted...
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Can I take their jobs?


Why?

I'd love to work at IGN. Tons of people would step over their own mothers to do video game journalism for a living.
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Mal_Fet
11/15/17 11:31:24 AM
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Progressives are shocked when the doctrine of "guilty until proven innocent" creates a stunted and chaotic work environment.
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JxOxNxIxCxS
11/15/17 11:33:37 AM
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One example Plagge brought up on Twitter: When I was your age I could go all night. He put his hand on my arm. I just want one more night like that.


Well too bad the guy wasnt as hot as Jason Rubin 2003. P sure this wouldnt have been an issue.
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Esrac
11/15/17 11:50:56 AM
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On a related note, Polygon editor Phil Kollar is being accused of sexual misconduct too. By this woman:

https://mobile.twitter.com/sdirtythugnasty/status/929774265125175297

So, I guess add him to the growing list of progressive male feminists who turn out to be sexual creeps.

https://stonetoss.com/comic/with-friends-like-these/
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Superlinkbro
11/15/17 12:03:08 PM
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And I wanted to work at IGN someday too.
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That_Happened
11/15/17 12:05:51 PM
#71:


Esrac posted...
On a related note, Polygon editor Phil Kollar is being accused of sexual misconduct too. By this woman:

https://mobile.twitter.com/sdirtythugnasty/status/929774265125175297

So, I guess add him to the growing list of progressive male feminists who turn out to be sexual creeps.

https://stonetoss.com/comic/with-friends-like-these/

This one I don't think needs any action. The two of them flirted, and that's all that happened. If the guy's wife wants to be mad at him, fine. But she admittedly played her role.
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REMercsChamp
11/15/17 12:07:24 PM
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Well if you can't make creepy sexual advances on women what's the point of even working there
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eston
11/15/17 12:10:54 PM
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Esrac posted...
On a related note, Polygon editor Phil Kollar is being accused of sexual misconduct too. By this woman:

https://mobile.twitter.com/sdirtythugnasty/status/929774265125175297

So, I guess add him to the growing list of progressive male feminists who turn out to be sexual creeps.

https://stonetoss.com/comic/with-friends-like-these/

I'm not sure I understand what she's accusing him of tbqh
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Kitt
11/15/17 12:11:04 PM
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Kitt posted...
As long as Chloi is still there. She's my favorite.


She has an annoying blocked nose voice and she uses over complicated long words to make herself sound clever. I hate all her video reviews. I hope she leaves.

Leave Chloi alone!
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Esrac
11/15/17 1:33:12 PM
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eston posted...
Esrac posted...
On a related note, Polygon editor Phil Kollar is being accused of sexual misconduct too. By this woman:

https://mobile.twitter.com/sdirtythugnasty/status/929774265125175297

So, I guess add him to the growing list of progressive male feminists who turn out to be sexual creeps.

https://stonetoss.com/comic/with-friends-like-these/

I'm not sure I understand what she's accusing him of tbqh


Based on my read...being creepy and trying to get a mentally ill, drunk girl into a hotel room with him. Also, using his position to try to hook up witb an aspiring games journalist, so something-something power dynamics.
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Grischnak
11/15/17 2:24:06 PM
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Esrac posted...
eston posted...
Esrac posted...
On a related note, Polygon editor Phil Kollar is being accused of sexual misconduct too. By this woman:

https://mobile.twitter.com/sdirtythugnasty/status/929774265125175297

So, I guess add him to the growing list of progressive male feminists who turn out to be sexual creeps.

https://stonetoss.com/comic/with-friends-like-these/

I'm not sure I understand what she's accusing him of tbqh


Based on my read...being creepy and trying to get a mentally ill, drunk girl into a hotel room with him. Also, using his position to try to hook up witb an aspiring games journalist, so something-something power dynamics.


It's hard to feel sympathy for her. She lead him on basically and then got grossed out that he didn't realize she wasn't serious about him. She's welcome to not want to hook up with him but then why keep in contact with him when she knows that's what he wants? It wasn't like he was her boss. Moreover, she was an adult. If she was 15 or something then we got a story. This really comes off like total bullshit to me.
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