Current Events > The Smash 4 board's hate-boner for Fire Emblem is both sad and amusing.

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Solar_Crimson
11/13/17 4:10:15 PM
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It's been nearly two years since the last DLC was announced, and they're still complaining about Corrin, or Sakurai's alleged "Fire Emblem bias".
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Yaridovich
11/13/17 4:10:37 PM
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I mean

There are a LOT of Fire Emblem characters...
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BLAKUboy
11/13/17 4:15:12 PM
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It's basically inarguable that FE has far more reps than it deserves, while bigger and more deserving series get next to nothing. And Fates deserved absolutely no representation, so the Corrin hate is more than justified.
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Solar_Crimson
11/13/17 4:15:20 PM
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Yaridovich posted...
I mean

There are a LOT of Fire Emblem characters...

There certainly are more than expected, but they're taking it as a personal offense, some even going as far as attacking people who actually like Corrin.
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CookieMarvin
11/13/17 4:16:20 PM
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putting cloud in was way worse. Im still fired up about that
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BLAKUboy
11/13/17 4:18:51 PM
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CookieMarvin posted...
putting cloud in was way worse. Im still fired up about that

Cloud is literally Nintendo celebrating SE stabbing them in the back. That entire last wave of DLC was an utter dumpster fire that never should have happened.
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Butterfiles
11/13/17 4:20:48 PM
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but fire emblem is boring for boring people
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Solar_Crimson
11/13/17 4:22:01 PM
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CookieMarvin posted...
putting cloud in was way worse. Im still fired up about that

Cloud was hilarious, because he broke the fan rule (that I even followed when speculating) that characters had to have major history with Nintendo to be included.

BLAKUboy posted...
Cloud is literally Nintendo celebrating SE stabbing them in the back.

Both Nintendo and Square have put that behind them a long time ago, so I don't see why the fans can't, either.
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3khc
11/13/17 4:33:01 PM
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Moar liek super SLASH bros
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Lord_Chivalry
11/13/17 5:07:58 PM
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This is a pretty good thread, OP
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ChromaticAngel
11/13/17 5:11:06 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
It's been nearly two years since the last DLC was announced, and they're still complaining about Corrin, or Sakurai's alleged "Fire Emblem bias".


Smash fans don't hate fire emblem.

We hate how they gave us 6 Fire Emblem characters and all 6 of them use swords and even if they were going to give us swords they completely neglect fan favorite characters like Lyndis.

It's the equivalent of including pokemon in the game but the only pokemon you can play are Fire/Fighting starters.
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DoGCyN
11/13/17 5:11:30 PM
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Lord_Chivalry posted...
This is a pretty good thread, OP

I agree
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ChromaticAngel
11/13/17 5:16:25 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Both Nintendo and Square have put that behind them a long time ago, so I don't see why the fans can't, either.


Fans care more about console wars than the companies do.

Additionally Square didn't stab them in the back. Nintendo was warned that cartridges were not going to be satisfactory for the next generation of games and they ignored everyone.
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prince_leo
11/13/17 5:18:46 PM
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I wouldn't have a problem with a lot of FE characters if it wasn't for the fact that they keep on putting in sword users
even if they're technically different, idgaf. there's a lot to be represented here and they keep on doing the same stuff

I haven't played smash 4 in forever though
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Tmaster148
11/13/17 5:20:28 PM
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prince_leo posted...
I wouldn't have a problem with a lot of FE characters if it wasn't for the fact that they keep on putting in sword users
even if they're technically different, idgaf. there's a lot to be represented here and they keep on doing the same stuff

I haven't played smash 4 in forever though


Well the characters they put into the game are lords and most lords are sword users.
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Esrac
11/13/17 5:33:59 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
Solar_Crimson posted...
It's been nearly two years since the last DLC was announced, and they're still complaining about Corrin, or Sakurai's alleged "Fire Emblem bias".


Smash fans don't hate fire emblem.

We hate how they gave us 6 Fire Emblem characters and all 6 of them use swords and even if they were going to give us swords they completely neglect fan favorite characters like Lyndis.

It's the equivalent of including pokemon in the game but the only pokemon you can play are Fire/Fighting starters.


To be fair, most of the characters they included from FE are well liked by the fans. Marth, Lucina, Ike, and Roy at least. I think Robin is fine because he at least brings a battle mage-type playstyle. Corrin is a bit different with the Dragon stuff.

I would have made Lucina an alternate skin for Marth though. It's unfortunate that most of the face characters for the series use swords.
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CookieMarvin
11/13/17 5:36:22 PM
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Roy is a dork and they did Lucina dirty by making her bad marth
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megATOMOS
11/13/17 5:37:05 PM
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well Fire Emblem is a boring game that's not as popular as Sakurai thinks it is
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CookieMarvin
11/13/17 5:37:41 PM
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^^^^high level market analysis
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BLAKUboy
11/13/17 5:39:02 PM
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Esrac posted...
I would have made Lucina an alternate skin for Marth though.

She originally was. They just split her, Pittoo, and Dr. Mario from their originals late in development to needlessly pad the roster.
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CapnMuffin
11/13/17 5:39:58 PM
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Babies, the lot of them.

Marth Ike and Roy are returning fighters. All of them popular characters. They even went out of their way to make Roy stand out. Lucina is a bonus clone added due to popularity. Robin and Corrin are the MC from the two most recent games, which makes sense. Theyre the true additions to the game and the obvious choices.
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BLAKUboy
11/13/17 5:43:28 PM
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Should be noted Roy is only popular with the Smash crowd. He's fairly disliked within FE circles.
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CookieMarvin
11/13/17 5:43:55 PM
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yeah Roy fuckin sux
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ChromaticAngel
11/13/17 5:46:29 PM
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CapnMuffin posted...
They even went out of their way to make Roy stand out.

He has literally one attack and it's an attack Marth can do. Also all his specials are the same as Marth / Lucina
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LethalAffinity
11/13/17 5:47:00 PM
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ChromaticAngel
11/13/17 5:49:09 PM
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BLAKUboy posted...
Esrac posted...
I would have made Lucina an alternate skin for Marth though.

She originally was. They just split her, Pittoo, and Dr. Mario from their originals late in development to needlessly pad the roster.


Pittoo was split because Sakurai decided he had to have a different final smash.

Dr. Mario was split because they wanted to bring back the Melee moveset since a lot of people expressed dislike for the Fludd moves.

Lucina is totally a padded character, though. Exact same moves, just without the tipping.
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3khc
11/13/17 5:49:42 PM
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I'd tip Lucina.
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BLAKUboy
11/13/17 5:50:16 PM
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3khc posted...
I'd tip Lucina.

Someone has to, because she can't.
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GeneralKenobi85
11/13/17 5:56:01 PM
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Corrin at least has a unique playstyle and that's really all that matters. Everyone who "deserved" to be in Smash is there at this point. Well, except for the Ice Climbers. Their removal was nonsensical.
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ChromaticAngel
11/13/17 5:59:02 PM
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...
Corrin at least has a unique playstyle and that's really all that matters. Everyone who "deserved" to be in Smash is there at this point. Well, except for the Ice Climbers. Their removal was nonsensical.


they were removed because they couldn't make it work on the 3DS.

Personally I hated the 2-character gimmick it was OP as fuck and I hope they don't return.

Or if they do just make Nana a skin for Popo the way they did with FRobin and FCorrin.
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kuwab0
11/13/17 5:59:57 PM
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An Advance Wars character ala Pokmon Trainer would be great
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GeneralKenobi85
11/13/17 6:04:46 PM
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ChromaticAngel posted...
GeneralKenobi85 posted...
Corrin at least has a unique playstyle and that's really all that matters. Everyone who "deserved" to be in Smash is there at this point. Well, except for the Ice Climbers. Their removal was nonsensical.


they were removed because they couldn't make it work on the 3DS.

Personally I hated the 2-character gimmick it was OP as fuck and I hope they don't return.

Or if they do just make Nana a skin for Popo the way they did with FRobin and FCorrin.

I know why they were removed. I just think that was a stupid reason.
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Dathrowed1
11/13/17 6:11:25 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Both Nintendo and Square have put that behind them a long time ago, so I don't see why the fans can't, either.

Because fans are myopic and selfish
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davyheinz
11/13/17 6:17:33 PM
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Yeah, what can you do? Way too many fucking people try to logic their way through the roster and explain over representation and under representation based on some criteria, but the one thing that they should see by now is that their justifications mean nothing. Mashpotato Samurai is your god now; love it or leave it.
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BLAKUboy
11/13/17 6:19:01 PM
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davyheinz posted...
Mashpotato Samurai is your god now; love it or leave it.

I actually wouldn't be surprised to not see him come back for the next Smash. He's basically been wanting to leave since after Melee, and it was only Iwata that could ever talk him into coming back.
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l33t_iRk3n_Rm33
11/13/17 6:20:24 PM
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BLAKUboy posted...
It's basically inarguable that FE has far more reps than it deserves, while bigger and more deserving series get next to nothing. And Fates deserved absolutely no representation, so the Corrin hate is more than justified.

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Ranticoot
11/13/17 6:34:19 PM
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why the hell do you care so much about this to go to CE about it
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Timohtep
11/13/17 7:08:59 PM
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I'm mostly salty because if you reduce Corrin simply to their moves, it's a very Ridley-esque moveset, what with the spear arms (ridley's tail) and energy balls and dragony stuff.

Just the image in my head of somebody on the Smash team building that moveset for Ridley, then Sakurai seeing it and saying "I like this moveset. Make it another fire emblem character instead of Ridley tho" makes me sad and angry all at the same time
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Go_Totodile
11/13/17 7:09:31 PM
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What's wrong with Fire Emblem Bros?
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Sad_Face
11/13/17 7:14:48 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Sakurai's alleged "Fire Emblem bias


Alleged? The dude's a massive FE fanboy. IS made Corrin for Smash while they made the character for the original game because they knew they could convince Sakurai to put her in.
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brawl__08
11/13/17 7:22:50 PM
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I love that you went to CE to complain about the board and you still have a sizable amount of people here agreeing with them over you.

Your butthurt for the Smash 4 board's opinions is both sad and amusing.
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Solar_Crimson
11/13/17 7:37:14 PM
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Sad_Face posted...
IS made Corrin for Smash while they made the character for the original game because they knew they could convince Sakurai to put her in.

Is there any proof of this?

brawl__08 posted...
I love that you went to CE to complain about the board and you still have a sizable amount of people here agreeing with them over you.

Your butthurt for the Smash 4 board's opinions is both sad and amusing.

They can agree or disagree however they want, but the whining that you and others do is still ridiculous and won't change anything.

If Corrin's removed in Smash 5, it'd be a disappointing loss considering their fun moveset, but whatever. If they're still included in Smash 5, then great; people can still keep whining about it while I get to keep playing as a fun character.
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Calwyn
11/13/17 7:46:30 PM
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There are too many FE characters compared to other series (the Kirby series not getting a new rep was a travesty) but hating Corrin and that fun moveset over not one but two Marth clones is just misguided anger. They should have either left Roy out or demoted Lucina to an alternate costume. We didn't need three Marths.
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Delirious_Beard
11/13/17 7:47:40 PM
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roy is actually a completely different character from marth in smash 4

no excuse for lucina tho, she got to go
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Sad_Face
11/13/17 8:07:28 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Sad_Face posted...
IS made Corrin for Smash while they made the character for the original game because they knew they could convince Sakurai to put her in.

Is there any proof of this?


Corrin's dragon traits' lack of relevance to the story in the Fates series is proof of this.
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ChromaticAngel
11/13/17 8:17:53 PM
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Delirious_Beard posted...
roy is actually a completely different character from marth in smash 4

Roy is Marth except all his attacks are the same move. so instead of having 10 different attacks like Marth he just has one attack.
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cliffman
11/13/17 8:19:56 PM
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I actually enjoy Corrin because I judge her based on how unique she is and she has some cool mechanics. Really glad Chrom wasn't put in as another swordsman though. Robin and Corrin are the best FE characters just because they aren't just more of the same.
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D-Lo_BrownTown
11/13/17 8:21:05 PM
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Smash Bros went from being a cute little Nintendo party game to being an embarassing naruto crap party game.
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BLAKUboy
11/13/17 8:23:27 PM
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What is with this meme of referring to Corrin as a girl?
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Solar_Crimson
11/13/17 8:24:26 PM
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Sad_Face posted...
Corrin's dragon traits' lack of relevance to the story in the Fates series is proof of this.

Sounds like a conspiracy to me. Is there actual dev confirmation of this?

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
Smash Bros went from being a cute little Nintendo party game

It still is.
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