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Muffinz0rz posted...

Romes187 posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The issue isn't necessarily getting a job, the issue is getting a job where you can at least support yourself, with potential for growth.

Most sales jobs are set up like pyramid schemes.

I've been in sales for a while now, and yeah there are MLM schemes out there (which are pretty easy to identify), but there are a shit TON of sales jobs

So I'm in San Diego and results are probably higher here than smaller cities....but I searched "sales" on indeed and resulted in 7700 jobs....even if we say 80% of those are garbage that's still over 1000 jobs...this doesn't prove your situation is easy to overcome, but the jobs are out there.

But if you are interested in getting into sales, pm me your resume and ill look it over and make some suggestions.

I agree with you (I'm in sales too) but not everyone wants to go into sales <__<

That's the predicament I'm in. I actually tried it and decided it wasn't for me nor was it something I could see myself doing long-term.
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yeah sales is a different breed

but i will tell you...if you have some sales experience on your resume, it helps with other jobs as well

communication skills
initiative
being on time
go getter
etc

If sales isn't for you, have you considered a trade?

Romes187 posted...

yeah sales is a different breed

but i will tell you...if you have some sales experience on your resume, it helps with other jobs as well

communication skills
initiative
being on time
go getter
etc

If sales isn't for you, have you considered a trade?

I wouldn't be opposed to one, no.

I do have a year of customer service experience @ walgreens
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Romes187 posted...

yeah sales is a different breed

but i will tell you...if you have some sales experience on your resume, it helps with other jobs as well

communication skills
initiative
being on time
go getter
etc

If sales isn't for you, have you considered a trade?

I wouldn't be opposed to one, no.

I do have a year of customer service experience @ walgreens

I'm not a big fan, but if you can get into a good trade union you can do pretty well.

What other experience do you have? Any school? Can you take online courses and get certificates?

Maybe IT? Or have you thought about starting a business? I know that seems daunting, but even selling things off of ebay can turn into a good ecommerce

EDIT: I'm not a big fan of unions....trades are sweet though

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Cleo_II posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

Cleo_II posted...

I just gave you suggestions.

You literally said "Seek entry level positions" when entry level positions require experience. The rest was generic "Bootstraps!" bullshit that everyone has heard a thousand times before.

Just because they require experience doesnt mean they will pass on your resume. I already provided examples of that in my own experience. I also suggested looking for roles not exactly in your field that can give you a foot in the door. Job fairs, meet ups and networking are important as well. I did all of those. Youve heard it a thousand times but have you applied it? I managed to get interviews by just going to job fairs for positions I wasnt entirely qualified for.

Its hard work. Shit isnt handed to you. No its not fair but crying about it solves nothing.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

What "suggestion"? Apply to jobs "aggressively"? Write a solid cover letter? What are you gonna say next, "make sure you have a good resume!"?

You're no help lol

Yes you have to apply a shit ton. I made it a goal to apply to 10 jobs every week. Even if I wasnt qualified. If you have no experience then of course you have to have a good cover letter. Give people a reason to want to talk to you. For the rest, see above. But hey, keep whining and scoffing any suggestions. Its much easier to cry then get off your ass and work for something. I can see why youre struggling.

You're missing the point. Your advice is the equivalent of someone asking how to bake a cake and you saying "put it in the oven."

A good resume, good cover letter and actually applying to places is the literal bare minimum of job hunting. The trick is actually standing out amongst your peers, which you cannot do if you're not even being considered for an interview due to lack of experience.

Its a numbers game. I didnt get too many interviews. When I graduated, I must have applied to over 100 jobs. I had 2 interviews out of those. And one of them, I had initially applied as a drafter and they liked me enough to offer an engineer role. I also managed 2 interviews from job fairs. Its competitive and its not easy. Theres no magical formula to get you a job. But life is not fair, not everyone will make it. You have to try though.

And I agree, sales can be a really good way to get your foot in the door. I actually switched from engineering to sales.

Romes187 posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Romes187 posted...

yeah sales is a different breed

but i will tell you...if you have some sales experience on your resume, it helps with other jobs as well

communication skills
initiative
being on time
go getter
etc

If sales isn't for you, have you considered a trade?

I wouldn't be opposed to one, no.

I do have a year of customer service experience @ walgreens

I'm not a big fan, but if you can get into a good trade union you can do pretty well.

What other experience do you have? Any school? Can you take online courses and get certificates?

Maybe IT? Or have you thought about starting a business? I know that seems daunting, but even selling things off of ebay can turn into a good ecommerce

EDIT: I'm not a big fan of unions....trades are sweet though

I graduated University last year unfortunately didn't end up taking any internships which was my mistake.

I'm open to both IT and starting a business (something I've actually had interest in doing), I'm just not sure what product I'd be selling.

I could take online courses.
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The issue with a sales job is right now I need something stable. I may despise my current job but it's at the very least a guaranteed paycheck biweekly. I show up, do what needs to be done and I don't have to worry about a bad day affecting my wallet.
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TC, it would help if you listed your degree, your current job and what youre looking to get into. You have a job so you obviously have some experience.

Romes187 posted...

averagejoel posted...

Romes187 posted...

averagejoel posted...

the problem is with the system, not the individual

Could be, but the solution is with the individual, not the system.

... no it's not

systemic problems need solutions at the systemic level

Shoot...tell that to solzhenitsyn

I don't give a fuck what some dead pro-capitalist dude thought about anything
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You guys know you can still apply to those jobs without the required experience, right? Almost every listing asks for more than they end up accepting in a candidate. Just make sure you describe in your letter/email/application how you have the skills they need.
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averagejoel posted...

I don't give a fuck what some dead pro-capitalist dude thought about anything

Well considering his literary works helped show the horrors of soviet communism, he is a good example of an individual taking down a systemic issue

Just keep applying hard. Expect 90%+ of applications you send to be dumpstered. It is all about volume these days.
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I done an internship at my accounting firm while at college. Made a good impression and spoke to the right people. It's not rocket science.

Squall28 posted...

Rika_Furude posted...

Go to uni. That counts as experience so long as its a real degree and not a fake bullshit like gender studies

Lol no it doesnt

Hope your parents know a guy who can get you in the door

Otherwise have fun applying to hundreds of companies

>get a bachelor of it
>90% of the course is practical
>but its not experience

You definitely dont live on planet earth
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Romes187 posted...

averagejoel posted...

I don't give a fuck what some dead pro-capitalist dude thought about anything

Well considering his literary works helped show the horrors of soviet communism, he is a good example of an individual taking down a systemic issue

lol

1. the soviet union wasn't communist
2. he didn't take down the soviet union
3. he also didn't take down communism
4. there was a disinformation campaign in nazi germany to discredit socialists. many of the people who worked on that campaign were recruited into the CIA after the war, so a significant amount of the information you've been fed about the goings-on in the USSR (dare I even say... the majority of it) is quite literally nazi propaganda
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Godnorgosh posted...

averagejoel posted...

Cleo_II posted...

I just gave you suggestions. You just want to keep crying about it. Thats why youre failing. There are doers and there are whiners. I fucking hustled to get where Im at, during a recession of all things.

it doesn't work like that for everyone.

it can't work like that for everyone.

the problem is with the system, not the individual

And this is what people like Cleo are missing. Yeah, you worked hard and hustled. I get it. But every time you land a job, you're removing an opportunity from someone else, possibly dozens or hundreds, who also worked hard and hustled. Those people still need places to go. Some of them will get it worked out. But some of them won't because job opportunities simply are too scarce in this market.

To illustrate the point more concisely, if everyone held a PhD, we'd have millions of underemployed janitors, retail workers, line cooks, and call center reps with PhDs. That's not a sustainable model, and its problems go far beyond personal responsibility.

Not everyone will make it in life. Life isnt fair and it wont ever be. Thats just a fact.

All you can do is try and put yourself out there. Theres never a guarantee to success.