Current Events > White supremacist idiot Richard Spencer gets interviewed by a Black British guy.

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It goes about as well as you'd expect.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/richard-spencer-tries-explain-black-223910120.html

White supremacist Richard Spencer came off looking like a supreme idiot during an interview with a black British journalist.

Gary Younge, editor-at-large for The Guardian, interviewed Spencer for Angry, White And American, a documentary airing Thursday night on the British network Channel 4.

In the clip below, Younge makes no secret that he is conflicted about interviewing the white supremacist, and considers the term alt-right to be just a new word for fascism.

However, he chose to talk with Spencer as Spencer and people like him credit themselves with providing the intellectual underpinnings for the Trump revolution.

Younge interviewed Spencer in Mississippi in a car park, surrounded by what he described in an article for the Guardian as an entourage of adoring bigots.

Spencer, who appeared surprised to discover his interviewer was a black man, attempted to justify why Africans have benefited from their experience with white supremacy.

Spoiler alert: He didnt come across well.

Younge: So slavery was good for them?

Spencer: Look, they benefited from being in a different nation than their own. No doubt. How can you deny that.

Younge: Its such a ridiculous notion that people forcibly removed from their homes and taken to this country to work for nothing for a couple of centuries and that benefited them?

The topic later turned to Trump, who Spencer said didnt share his ideal of the ethno-state but did feel some sense of loss that we are losing our nations, here in the United States, in Britain [and] across the world.

Younge did not agree, saying, Im not losing my nation. Im British.

Spencer than tried to shade the truth by claiming, Of course youre not losing your nation because youre winning the demographic battle.

Why am I winning? Younge said. Im living in the place of my birth. Just like you.

Spencer smirked. But thats not really your home.

Younge replied, You dont get to tell me where my home is.

Spencer pushed more. But you know its not your real home. ... Your ancestors didnt build it.

Sorry! Listen, my ancestors built it tenfold and werent paid for it! Younge said.

Spencer then argued that Younges argument was like saying African-Americans built the United States.

They did! Younge snapped back. They literally built the White House.

Because we made them, Spencer retorted.

Younge asked Spencer, And youre proud of that?

Spencer conceded that slavery had bad consequences, but, the fact is, yes, I am ultimately proud of it. Im proud of slavery.

After another brief exchange, Younge decided the interview was over and told Spencer, Youre a ridiculous person.

Good lord...
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This is why it's better to let Nazis talk rather than try to silence them by force. They will readily discredit themselves whenever given the opportunity.
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Spencer has typically done a pretty solid job at sanitizing his Nazism in an attempt to come across as a more rational person and appeal to the mainstream.

He... didn't even try to do that here. Jesus Christ.

Hes a nazi pos
But ce will defend
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Talking about your ancestors didn't build it, lol it's like he forgot they were talking about slavery
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I'm sure that some people will come defend and agree with him.
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E32005 posted...

Hes a nazi pos
But ce will defend

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MorbidFaithless posted...

E32005 posted...

Hes a nazi pos
But ce will defend

I've never seen anyone actually defend Nazi ideology on this board

Maybe you're mistaking being against assaulting people for defending Nazi ideology?
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Not defending Spencer but that's a horrible article. Doesn't even try to be impartial.
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MorbidFaithless posted...

E32005 posted...

Hes a nazi pos
But ce will defend

Mal_Fet posted...

MorbidFaithless posted...

E32005 posted...

Hes a nazi pos
But ce will defend

I've never seen anyone actually defend Nazi ideology on this board

Maybe you're mistaking being against assaulting people for defending Nazi ideology?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNXkQGPAM48
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Mal_Fet posted...

This is why it's better to let Nazis talk rather than try to silence them by force. They will readily discredit themselves whenever given the opportunity.

You just want them to spread their message.

UncleBourbon33 posted...

Not defending Spencer but that's a horrible article. Doesn't even try to be impartial.

Why should it be?
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UncleBourbon33 posted...

Not defending Spencer but that's a horrible article. Doesn't even try to be impartial.

Good. To be impartial between Spencer and his interviewer here is to be wrong.
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My jaw drop when he adopts an arrogant boy language, points at the reporter with his finger and says 'actually, yes, I do get to tell you you'll never be an Englishman'. Idiot's not even English.

SamuelHayden posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

This is why it's better to let Nazis talk rather than try to silence them by force. They will readily discredit themselves whenever given the opportunity.

You just want them to spread their message.

Right. I bet Richard totally swayed a lot of people to his side in this trainwreck.
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Mal_Fet posted...

SamuelHayden posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

This is why it's better to let Nazis talk rather than try to silence them by force. They will readily discredit themselves whenever given the opportunity.

You just want them to spread their message.

Right. I bet Richard totally swayed a lot of people to his side in this trainwreck.

to your dismay, he did not.

SamuelHayden posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

SamuelHayden posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

This is why it's better to let Nazis talk rather than try to silence them by force. They will readily discredit themselves whenever given the opportunity.

You just want them to spread their message.

Right. I bet Richard totally swayed a lot of people to his side in this trainwreck.

to your dismay, he did not.

Do you accuse others of supporting Nazis like Spencer because you know you can't argue against their positions on a substantive level?
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Mal_Fet posted...

SamuelHayden posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

SamuelHayden posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

This is why it's better to let Nazis talk rather than try to silence them by force. They will readily discredit themselves whenever given the opportunity.

You just want them to spread their message.

Right. I bet Richard totally swayed a lot of people to his side in this trainwreck.

to your dismay, he did not.

Do you accuse others of supporting Nazis like Spencer because you know you can't argue against their positions on a substantive level?

nah, just you and the sadmiral because I've seen the shit you 2 post :)

ROD please contain your meltdowns to your own topics. Thanks.
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Mal_Fet posted...

MorbidFaithless posted...

E32005 posted...

Hes a nazi pos
But ce will defend

I've never seen anyone actually defend Nazi ideology on this board

Maybe you're mistaking being against assaulting people for defending Nazi ideology?

Not defend it directly but I've seen certain posters entertain some of their ideas.
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SamuelHayden posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

SamuelHayden posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

SamuelHayden posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

This is why it's better to let Nazis talk rather than try to silence them by force. They will readily discredit themselves whenever given the opportunity.

You just want them to spread their message.

Right. I bet Richard totally swayed a lot of people to his side in this trainwreck.

to your dismay, he did not.

Do you accuse others of supporting Nazis like Spencer because you know you can't argue against their positions on a substantive level?

nah, just you and the sadmiral because I've seen the shit you 2 post :)

So you couldn't argue against the things we posted, therefore your response is to call us Nazis

Therefore your answer is "yes"
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Mal_Fet posted...

SamuelHayden posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

This is why it's better to let Nazis talk rather than try to silence them by force. They will readily discredit themselves whenever given the opportunity.

You just want them to spread their message.

Right. I bet Richard totally swayed a lot of people to his side in this trainwreck.

We've had discussions about this before and you've routinely argued that increased awareness of Richard Spencer and his views is equivalent to increased support of Richard Spencer and his views. And before you try to bs out of that one, I've asked you to clarify several times and you've dug your heels in to that position each and every time. It would be nice if you'd just make up your mind about this already.
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A lot of people have said this same stuff before, including posters here. It's laughable to think this interview will turn anyone against him.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

We've had discussions about this before and you've routinely argued that increased awareness of Richard Spencer and his views is equivalent to increased support of Richard Spencer and his views.

No...I never said such a thing

I did say that assaulting him gives him a martyr complex which energized his supporters, but embarrassing yourself on TV generally makes your supporters cool off to you
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Mal_Fet posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

We've had discussions about this before and you've routinely argued that increased awareness of Richard Spencer and his views is equivalent to increased support of Richard Spencer and his views.

No...I never said such a thing

I did say that assaulting him gives him a martyr complex which energized his supporters, but embarrassing yourself on TV generally makes your supporters cool off to you

Yes you have. Several times. You and UR both agreed that it was a logically sound position that him getting punched increased the support of him and his views amongst people that weren't already racist pos'.
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Give a fool enough rope and they'll hang themselves with it.
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UncleBourbon33 posted...

Not defending Spencer but that's a horrible article. Doesn't even try to be impartial.

so why is it a horrible article?
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Mal_Fet posted...

I did say that assaulting him gives him a martyr complex which energized his supporters, but embarrassing yourself on TV generally makes your supporters cool off to you

like me.

wow.......

I didn't know anything about this guy before he got punched and I supported his right to not be punched.....but what he just said was pretty stupid.

If this got as much coverage and air time as him getting punched he would fade into obscurity much faster.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

Yes you have. Several times. You and UR both agreed that it was a logically sound position that him getting punched increased the support of him and his views amongst people that weren't already racist pos'.

I said it would expose him to more racists who would sympathize with him, but that doesn't mean all exposure is beneficial to one's popularity

Look at Kathy Griffin
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averagejoel posted...

UncleBourbon33 posted...

Not defending Spencer but that's a horrible article. Doesn't even try to be impartial.

so why is it a horrible article?

Journalistic integrity?
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as they say

words are mightier than the sword

or in this case, allowing him to speak his words is better at making him look irrelevant and evil than punching him in the face
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UncleBourbon33 posted...

averagejoel posted...

UncleBourbon33 posted...

Not defending Spencer but that's a horrible article. Doesn't even try to be impartial.

so why is it a horrible article?

Journalistic integrity?

how is it lacking journalistic integrity?
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Sad times on CE when Mal runs roughshod on a topic.

Spencer is a piece of shit and a moron. I would have imagined the posterboy for X would have been able to more competently argue their case.

That is just hilariously pathetic, is that what Antifa is so afraid of?
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Was he called Wesley though?
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i literally only clicked this topic to search for Wesley

smh only 1 result
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Most people would be like "a white supremacist got punched? Awesome."
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Mal_Fet posted...

This is why it's better to let Nazis talk rather than try to silence them by force. They will readily discredit themselves whenever given the opportunity.

I'm not often in agreement with you, but this is on point.
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UncleBourbon33 posted...

Not defending Spencer but that's a horrible article. Doesn't even try to be impartial.

The only thing wrong with it that I noticed was a use of "than" which should have been "then" which is weird because people who fuck that up usually do it the other way around.
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LightningAce11 posted...

Most people would be like "a white supremacist got punched? Awesome."

Goebbels was in favor of free speech for views he liked. So was Stalin. If youre really in favor of free speech, then youre in favor of freedom of speech for precisely the views you despise. Otherwise, youre not in favor of free speech. - Noam Chomsky
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Two_Dee posted...

i literally only clicked this topic to search for Wesley

smh only 1 result

I was disappointed as well
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I don't think punching Nazis helps at all, but this probably isn't going to sway anyone who wasn't already swayed by Spencer advocating for ethnic cleansing.
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Is Richard Spencer even a Nazi? I get he's a white supremacist but that alone doesn't make him a Nazi.
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And were the bad guys for punching people who, given their way, would call for another mass genocide of anyone not like them...
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Solar_Crimson posted...

White supremacist Richard Spencer came off looking like a supreme idiot

No bias in reporting here
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UncleBourbon33 posted...

Is Richard Spencer even a Nazi? I get he's a white supremacist but that alone doesn't make him a Nazi.

Why do you defend him so much? Is there anything you want to tell us?

To address your question, yes, he uses german buzzwords from the nazi era, he does the nazi salute, etc.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Solar_Crimson posted...

White supremacist Richard Spencer came off looking like a supreme idiot

No bias in reporting here

That isnt even bias.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

allowing him to speak his words is better at making him look irrelevant and evil than punching him in the face

I think the face punching comes from more of a personal satisfaction stance anyway
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