Current Events > Trump in country with no mass shootings: 'Mass shootings can happen anywhere'

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/donald-trump-japan-emperor-akihito-texas-mass-shooting-visit-shinzo-abe-sutherland-springs-a8041391.html

The US President met Emperor Akihito and Empress Michiko before a round of talks with Japan's prime minister, Shinzo Abe, on Monday.

When the emperor brought up Sunday's mass killing at a church in Texas, Mr Trump called it a "terrible incident" and said the killings "can happen anywhere", according to the Mainichi Shimbun.

A lone gunman killed 26 people at First Baptist Church in Sutherland Springs, the worst such massacre by a lone gunman in Texas and one of the five most lethal in modern US history.

It came a little over a month after another lone shooter killed 58 people and injured hundreds more in Las Vegas.

But in Japan, gun deaths are measured in single figures annually, compared to tens of thousands in the US.

Sounds like an Onion headline
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The Japanese just need to realize that gun massacres are part and parcel of living in America.
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The US is beyond saving when it comes to guns tbh
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No Way To Prevent This, Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
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Japan has nearly no diversity.

Looked gf posted...

The US is beyond saving when it comes to guns tbh

I wouldn't say that. It's certainly not going to be an easy fight, but there's actually a lot of agreement with the average citizens towards things like a gun registry similar to how cars get registered when brought.

The issue comes from groups like the NRA who are toxic influences on the 2nd amendment. We also need to let the CDC actually research these shootings so we can better understand how they happen.
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JoeyBowey posted...

Japan has nearly no diversity.

If you went to Japan could you commit a mass shooting?
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The world would be a much better place without the NRA tbh
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Tmaster148 posted...

but there's actually a lot of agreement with the average citizens towards things like a gun registry similar to how cars get registered

What's your source for that?

I have not experienced that at all.

Romulox28 posted...

No Way To Prevent This, Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

JoeyBowey posted...

Japan has nearly no diversity.

Japan has some of the strictest gun laws. It's pretty much illegal to own a gun. You need a hunting or sport shooting license in order to own one and it's not exactly an easy process.
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JoeyBowey posted...

Japan has nearly no diversity.

Why do people always post this when we discuss other countries?

Is there any reason for it besides being racist?

JoeyBowey posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

but there's actually a lot of agreement with the average citizens towards things like a gun registry similar to how cars get registered

What's your source for that?

I have not experienced that at all.

https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/08/10/two-thirds-back-national-gun-registry/
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Darmik posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

Japan has nearly no diversity.

If you went to Japan could you commit a mass shooting?

The point is, Japan has touched on the roots of the problem regarding mass shootings:

Animus towards your fellow citizen. The Japanese are all the same. There is virtually no crime there at all because they are all of the same community.

Darklit_Minuet posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

Japan has nearly no diversity.

Why do people always post this when we discuss other countries?

Is there any reason for it besides being racist?

Coming from Joey? Its probably about racism.
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JoeyBowey posted...

Darmik posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

Japan has nearly no diversity.

If you went to Japan could you commit a mass shooting?

The point is, Japan has touched on the roots of the problem regarding mass shootings:

Animus towards your fellow citizen. The Japanese are all the same. There is virtually no crime there at all because they are all of the same community.

Err didn't the last one have the guy literally shoot up his Moms church?
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JoeyBowey posted...

Darmik posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

Japan has nearly no diversity.

If you went to Japan could you commit a mass shooting?

The point is, Japan has touched on the roots of the problem regarding mass shootings:

Animus towards your fellow citizen. The Japanese are all the same. There is virtually no crime there at all because they are all of the same community.

If the solution for the nascent gun crime is so simple then why do they have such stringent gun laws?
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Tmaster148 posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

Tmaster148 posted...

but there's actually a lot of agreement with the average citizens towards things like a gun registry similar to how cars get registered

What's your source for that?

I have not experienced that at all.

https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/08/10/two-thirds-back-national-gun-registry/

A pew poll has some similar results. Interesting. Though it does highlight some areas where there is stark opposition.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/06/23/bipartisan-support-for-some-gun-proposals-stark-partisan-divisions-on-many-others/

Japan would have even less gun deaths if its citizens had more guns though
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Darmik posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

Darmik posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

Japan has nearly no diversity.

If you went to Japan could you commit a mass shooting?

The point is, Japan has touched on the roots of the problem regarding mass shootings:

Animus towards your fellow citizen. The Japanese are all the same. There is virtually no crime there at all because they are all of the same community.

Err didn't the last one have the guy literally shoot up his Moms church?

Another one had a guy shoot his mom and the elementary school that she worked for. What animosity is there to be had that's so strong that you need to shoot up a bunch of children?
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Without a full quote all that's said is that mass killings can happen anywhere. Which did indeed happen in Japan just over a year ago when 19 people were killed and 26 more were wounded.

All this ignoring that what trump says is irrelevant to the problem. And that Japan's gun control will never happen in the US.

But no one wants to actually discuss the problem because circle jerking that trump is a moron that won an election thanks to democratic incompetence and the very fact that people want these easy side discussions where they can just point fingers and feel superior. And that applies to both sides before one of you takes it personally.
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ArmieBuff posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

Japan has nearly no diversity.

Are we really going to pretend like the US isn't by far the most violent developed country?

And?

It's also one of the most diverse.

JoeyBowey posted...

Japan has nearly no diversity.

I fail to see what that has to do with mass shootings.
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JoeyBowey posted...

ArmieBuff posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

Japan has nearly no diversity.

Are we really going to pretend like the US isn't by far the most violent developed country?

And?

It's also one of the most diverse.

Can you explain a little bit more?
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Darmik posted...

Err didn't the last one have the guy literally shoot up his Moms church?

Your point?

He was apparently a militant atheist i.e. he held strong animus towards Christians.

Japan is largely a homogeneous country in its religious beliefs or lack there of.

I Like Toast posted...

But no one wants to actually discuss the problem because circle jerking that trump is a moron that won an election thanks to democratic incompetence and the very fact that people want these easy side discussions where they can just point fingers and feel superior. And that applies to both sides before one of you takes it personally.

Literally everyone wants to discuss the problem but the conversations go absolutely nowhere. Here's how those discussions work:

"Ok we need to do something about thi-"
'Woah there it's too soon! Have some respect for the victims! Our thoughts and prayers to them."
"Ok how about now. What about gun contr-"
"Don't take our guns! This is a mental health issue!"
"Ok, what about addressing mental health?"
"....our thoughts and prayers"
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

Japan has nearly no diversity.

Why do people always post this when we discuss other countries?

Is there any reason for it besides being racist?

They'll also be quick to declare racism is over when it suits their needs.
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JoeyBowey posted...

Darmik posted...

Err didn't the last one have the guy literally shoot up his Moms church?

Your point?

He was apparently a militant atheist i.e. he held strong animus towards Christians.

Japan is largely a homogeneous country in its religious beliefs or lack there of.

Japan isn't unanimously religious though.
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CW_McGraw posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

Japan has nearly no diversity.

I fail to see what that has to do with mass shootings.

Mass shootings almost always have an intent to kill others they have disdain for.

The Texas shooter, an atheist killed Christians

The orlando shooter, a mulsim killed homosexuals

Take away the diversity and who are they going to target?

Darmik posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

Darmik posted...

Err didn't the last one have the guy literally shoot up his Moms church?

Your point?

He was apparently a militant atheist i.e. he held strong animus towards Christians.

Japan is largely a homogeneous country in its religious beliefs or lack there of.

Japan isn't unanimously religious though.

"or lack there of"

They are almost unanimously nonreligious.

pinky0926 posted...

Literally everyone wants to discuss the problem but the conversations go absolutely nowhere. Here's how those discussions work:

No they don't, as your post proves. As you perfectly show by acting like it's only gun owners that are stopping the conversation.

All you get is people like you and people you described who just want to argue in a vacuum with no desire to compromise
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pinky0926 posted...

I Like Toast posted...

But no one wants to actually discuss the problem because circle jerking that trump is a moron that won an election thanks to democratic incompetence and the very fact that people want these easy side discussions where they can just point fingers and feel superior. And that applies to both sides before one of you takes it personally.

Literally everyone wants to discuss the problem but the conversations go absolutely nowhere. Here's how those discussions work:

"Ok we need to do something about thi-"
'Woah there it's too soon! Have some respect for the victims! Our thoughts and prayers to them."
"Ok how about now. What about gun contr-"
"Don't take our guns! This is a mental health issue!"
"Ok, what about addressing mental health?"
"....our thoughts and prayers"

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/359079-paul-ryan-praying-is-the-right-thing-to-do-after-mass-shootings-because-it?amp

Thoughts and prayers work, you cuck. What else do you fucking want?
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JoeyBowey posted...

CW_McGraw posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

Japan has nearly no diversity.

I fail to see what that has to do with mass shootings.

Mass shootings almost always have an intent to kill others they have disdain for.

The Texas shooter, an atheist killed Christians

The orlando shooter, a mulsim killed homosexuals

Take away the diversity and who are they going to target?

Pretty sure it has been stated that the Texas shooting was over family. Not because of religion.
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JoeyBowey posted...

Darmik posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

Darmik posted...

Err didn't the last one have the guy literally shoot up his Moms church?

Your point?

He was apparently a militant atheist i.e. he held strong animus towards Christians.

Japan is largely a homogeneous country in its religious beliefs or lack there of.

Japan isn't unanimously religious though.

"or lack there of"

They are almost unanimously nonreligious.

40% are non-religious.
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Japan should arm every citizen just to be sure theres no gun violence ever.
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JoeyBowey posted...

ArmieBuff posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

Japan has nearly no diversity.

Are we really going to pretend like the US isn't by far the most violent developed country?

And?

It's also one of the most diverse.

This is true, Japan is structurally and culturally stringent. They treat their discriminating views on outsiders as the price they have to pay for living in their country. Whereas in the West, that would be hammered down and punished.

Darmik posted...

40% are non-religious.

false

Don't know where you are getting your info.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Japan

"less than 40% of the population of Japan identifies with an organised religion"

JoeyBowey posted...

Darmik posted...

40% are non-religious.

false

Don't know where you are getting your info.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Japan

"less than 40% of the population of Japan identifies with an organised religion"

Sorry got my figure swapped around. 60%

That's not close to unanimous.
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JoeyBowey posted...

Japan has nearly no diversity.

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Darmik posted...

Pretty sure it has been stated that the Texas shooting was over family. Not because of religion.

This
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I Like Toast posted...

No they don't, as your post proves. As you perfectly show by acting like it's only gun owners that are stopping the conversation.

All you get is people like you and people you described who just want to argue in a vacuum with no desire to compromise

"No desire to compromise"

My position is "let's talk about this and do something", dude, not "the only solution is absolute gun control". Tell me why it is that the right says that mental health is the issue but then won't do anything towards mental health in America? The left might say that banning guns is the solution and the left might be wrong about that, but I'm also pretty sure that the general position on the left is "well can we do something else instead if you won't do that?"
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OEIO999 posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

ArmieBuff posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

Japan has nearly no diversity.

Are we really going to pretend like the US isn't by far the most violent developed country?

And?

It's also one of the most diverse.

This is true, Japan is structurally and culturally stringent. They treat their discriminating views on outsiders as the price they have to pay for living in their country. Whereas in the West, that would be hammered down and punished.

This is true, I was in Shinjuku 7 years ago and got cornered and harassed by two cops who couldn't speak english. My girlfriend at the time knew some Japanese and had her passport on her, they would have arrested us if she didn't.
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Tbh mass shootings in America are always gonna be constant until we can inject serums that give us bulletproof skin. Hopefully that happens in our lifetime.
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A_Good_Boy posted...

The Japanese just need to realize that gun massacres are part and parcel of living in America.

Yep like lack of universal health care.
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Romulox28 posted...

No Way To Prevent This, Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

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Darmik posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

Japan has nearly no diversity.

If you went to Japan could you commit a mass shooting?

If you were clever/prepared enough to smuggle one in or steal it from a criminal/soldier it's possible.
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ArmieBuff posted...

OEIO999 posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

ArmieBuff posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

Japan has nearly no diversity.

Are we really going to pretend like the US isn't by far the most violent developed country?

And?

It's also one of the most diverse.

This is true, Japan is structurally and culturally stringent. They treat their discriminating views on outsiders as the price they have to pay for living in their country. Whereas in the West, that would be hammered down and punished.

So basically you guys are trying to say diversity is a bad thing in a roundabout way.

Quite the opposite actually, we're saying the West is far more developed, Japan has its own assortment of internal issues before they can compare themselves to the West culturally. Also American mass shootings doesn't apply to every Western country.

Oshawottownage posted...

Darmik posted...

JoeyBowey posted...

Japan has nearly no diversity.

If you went to Japan could you commit a mass shooting?

If you were clever/prepared enough to smuggle one in or steal it from a criminal/soldier it's possible.

That sounds incredibly unlikely. Even then I doubt you'd have the ridiculous amount of ammo the mass shooters in the US always seem to have.
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