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Makeveli_lives
11/08/17 3:40:26 PM
#102:


Muffinz0rz posted...
The argument is that it would reduce it (not to mention the 40 people who died between 2007-2017 of frat-related deaths)

Could be a trade off. I don't know if your aware of this but we frequently keep an eye on people to make sure they don't catch alcohol poisoning. How often is it that an ambulance is called by people drinking as opposed to the people working there?

Bet your ass 9 times out of 10, the bartender is the one dialing 911 and cutting you off before your drinking buddies do if your wasted off your ass. same with us, if it ever gets that far. One could argue we reduce alcohol related deaths that would occur without supervision.
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Darklit_Minuet
11/09/17 12:06:05 AM
#103:


MacadamianNut3 posted...
Darklit_Minuet posted...
Source: I went to college, didn't join a frat, and thus I never indulged in binge drinking

Another source: my freshman roommates who weren't in frats, probably because they were in school a grand total of 2 months at the time, who got academic suspension for doing exactly that in our dorm suite

Funny story. I didn't get caught up in it the moment they got busted because they were doing it in the suite common area while I had my room door closed and was studying. That was the only reason I didn't get dragged down with them.

Somehow anecdotes don't seem to disprove common behavior of college students. You drinking wine occasionally doesn't dismantle this

https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/collegefactsheet/Collegefactsheet.pdf

I'm just gonna wait for someone to key in just on Greek life since it was mentioned and ignore other factors mentioned. Thinking the removal Greek life will get rid of binge drinking problems on college campuses does nothing but show how far up your ass your head is

Those freshmen roommates were obviously in a frat then. The evidence is there, don't be blind to it
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The_Juice_
11/09/17 12:15:04 AM
#104:


MacadamianNut3 posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
there are advantages to it of course but let's not kid ourselves that it's anything else. it's just a way around the usual family nepotism

Not seeing how this is a bad thing

Half the point of attending college is to network with people, and you do it in multiple ways. Unless you also want to complain that undergrad internships are also a form of nepotism. I'm fairly sure as an undergrad working there for a summer you'll be nowhere near as skilled as someone who works there full time. Even then, you'll be on the inside track for a position there when you graduate.


Was in one, got my first actual job because of it.

Interviewer flat out said he picked my application from the pile as soon as he saw we were in the same one, ended up being hired straight out of the interview.

Nepotism or whatever, it got me a job out of college so I got exactly what I was hoping for out of it.
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Muffinz0rz
11/09/17 12:15:42 PM
#105:


The_Juice_ posted...
MacadamianNut3 posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
there are advantages to it of course but let's not kid ourselves that it's anything else. it's just a way around the usual family nepotism

Not seeing how this is a bad thing

Half the point of attending college is to network with people, and you do it in multiple ways. Unless you also want to complain that undergrad internships are also a form of nepotism. I'm fairly sure as an undergrad working there for a summer you'll be nowhere near as skilled as someone who works there full time. Even then, you'll be on the inside track for a position there when you graduate.


Was in one, got my first actual job because of it.

Interviewer flat out said he picked my application from the pile as soon as he saw we were in the same one, ended up being hired straight out of the interview.

Nepotism or whatever, it got me a job out of college so I got exactly what I was hoping for out of it.

Imagine working for someone who doesn't give a shit about how fit you are for the job and instead chooses you based on sharing the same arbitrary letters as him.

That company is going places, that's for sure.
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Makeveli_lives
11/09/17 5:12:19 PM
#106:


Muffinz0rz posted...
Imagine working for someone who doesn't give a shit about how fit you are for the job and instead chooses you based on sharing the same arbitrary letters as him.

That company is going places, that's for sure.

This is how the world and society in general works. No ones fault but your own that you deny yourself the chance to make connections by following outdated stereotypes.
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DeroIin
11/09/17 5:54:33 PM
#107:


Good, keep it that way
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Muffinz0rz
11/10/17 10:58:01 AM
#108:


Makeveli_lives posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
Imagine working for someone who doesn't give a shit about how fit you are for the job and instead chooses you based on sharing the same arbitrary letters as him.

That company is going places, that's for sure.

This is how the world and society in general works. No ones fault but your own that you deny yourself the chance to make connections by following outdated stereotypes.

Someone doing their job is now a stereotype?
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southcoast09
11/10/17 10:59:36 AM
#109:


Good. Frats and sororities are garbage that need to be shut down. Disbanded in disgrace. They're a shame to their parents' generation.
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lilORANG
11/10/17 11:03:04 AM
#110:


Sad he died but greek life is terrible and should die too.

Tho as a practical matter how do they enforce it? They can't stop former frat bros from remaining friends and living together and having parties.
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1NfamousACE_2
11/10/17 11:05:24 AM
#111:


People don't understand the brotherhood

smh
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AwesomeOSauce
11/10/17 11:07:38 AM
#112:


Ban it everywhere frat greek culture on colleges are disgusting havens or elitism and douchebaggery.
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Muffinz0rz
11/10/17 11:11:36 AM
#113:


1NfamousACE_2 posted...
People don't understand the brotherhood

smh

Defend it then
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1NfamousACE_2
11/10/17 11:14:15 AM
#114:


Muffinz0rz posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
People don't understand the brotherhood

smh

Defend it then


There's nothing to defend here

I've made lifelong friends in my frat and wouldn't change it for anything. I'd do it all over again if I could.

Yes, some frat dudes are pretentious douche bags but they were like that before the frat. Don't act like greek life is all terrible.
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Muffinz0rz
11/10/17 11:17:34 AM
#115:


1NfamousACE_2 posted...
I've made lifelong friends in my frat and wouldn't change it for anything.

I've made lifelong friends in dorms. No difference.

1NfamousACE_2 posted...
Yes, some frat dudes are pretentious douche bags but they were like that before the frat. Don't act like greek life is all terrible.

I never said all greek life is terrible. But if disbanding greek life saves those 40 lives between 2007-2017 (and countless future unnecessary deaths and injuries), then I say go for it. It'd be pretty weird to defend college students' death, tbh.

EDIT: Oh wait, you literally said there's nothing to defend LMAO

1NfamousACE_2 posted...
There's nothing to defend here

I agree. Greek life offers nothing worth defending.
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lilORANG
11/10/17 11:19:12 AM
#116:


1NfamousACE_2 posted...
Muffinz0rz posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
People don't understand the brotherhood

smh

Defend it then


There's nothing to defend here

I've made lifelong friends in my frat and wouldn't change it for anything. I'd do it all over again if I could.

Yes, some frat dudes are pretentious douche bags but they were like that before the frat. Don't act like greek life is all terrible.


So your defense is that frat life did something for you that most other students get workout having to pay for it? Because you don't need a frat to make friends.
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1NfamousACE_2
11/10/17 11:19:43 AM
#117:


Muffinz0rz posted...
I never said all greek life is terrible.


I'm not saying you, but there's people in this topic with that mindset.

I too met lifelong friends on campus and in dorms.

Joining a fraternity should not change who you are, but it does to a lot of people.
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1NfamousACE_2
11/10/17 11:20:33 AM
#118:


lilORANG posted...

So your defense is that frat life did something for you that most other students get workout having to pay for it? Because you don't need a frat to make friends.


I know that.

But sharing that eternal bond means something more.
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lilORANG
11/10/17 11:21:46 AM
#119:


1NfamousACE_2 posted...
lilORANG posted...

So your defense is that frat life did something for you that most other students get workout having to pay for it? Because you don't need a frat to make friends.


I know that.

But sharing that eternal bond means something more.

Your friendships are deeper because you paid for them? Wat lol
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1NfamousACE_2
11/10/17 11:23:01 AM
#120:


lilORANG posted...

Your friendships are deeper because you paid for them? Wat lol


Its more than friendship.

But you'll never understand that, which is why you're coming off as condescending.
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lilORANG
11/10/17 11:24:43 AM
#121:


1NfamousACE_2 posted...
lilORANG posted...

Your friendships are deeper because you paid for them? Wat lol


Its more than friendship.

But you'll never understand that, which is why you're coming off as condescending.

I dont need to know what they made you do as a pledge brah.
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Frostshock
11/10/17 11:26:21 AM
#122:


1NfamousACE_2 posted...
lilORANG posted...

Your friendships are deeper because you paid for them? Wat lol


Its more than friendship.

But you'll never understand that, which is why you're coming off as condescending.


Pretty sure I have a better relationship with my free friends than the ones you had to pay for.
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1NfamousACE_2
11/10/17 11:30:11 AM
#123:


Frostshock posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
lilORANG posted...

Your friendships are deeper because you paid for them? Wat lol


Its more than friendship.

But you'll never understand that, which is why you're coming off as condescending.


Pretty sure I have a better relationship with my free friends than the ones you had to pay for.


Congratulations, well done.
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SuperExcitebike
11/10/17 11:42:17 AM
#125:


It was because a pledge died right? How the fuck do you let a pledge died? They're always monitored

Also that pi phi house is bottom-tier poverty
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Muffinz0rz
11/10/17 11:43:28 AM
#126:


DuranOfForcena posted...
shutting down fraternities and sororities isn't going to stop college students from partying.

No sane person is arguing that. The argument is that dispersing all those people will have a direct effect on lowering the amount of binge drinking by removing the social pressures and conveniences of a frat house.
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WesternMedia
11/12/17 5:53:23 AM
#127:


Goddamn
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Neoconkers
11/12/17 6:09:57 AM
#128:


*reads this topic as a recent uni grad in the UK*

what the fuck is wrong with the US education system
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JSancton
11/12/17 7:29:38 AM
#129:


Ya frats are.... I was in one. Networking was nice but after that first leg after college it didn't do good. You realize how some brothers never grow up and are the same assholes from college.

My frat was a toxic nightmare imo. Encouraged excessive drinking, which led to bad decisions. By my senior year myself and a lot of other senior brothers only went to functions I was forced to.

Honestly, you want networking and brotherhood? Join the military. Was closer to my fellow airmen then my frat brothers. Plus you get free college through it too.
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Lorenzo_2003
11/12/17 8:02:45 AM
#130:


BLAKUboy posted...
I, too, yearn to have direct connections to torturers, sexual harassers/assaulters, thieves, vandalists, chronic alcoholics, and the occasional murderer.


Good Lord, you sound bitter. Did you not do any partying at all in high school or college? Did you never make a new friend by joining a club?
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Muffinz0rz
11/12/17 11:48:41 AM
#131:


Lorenzo_2003 posted...
BLAKUboy posted...
I, too, yearn to have direct connections to torturers, sexual harassers/assaulters, thieves, vandalists, chronic alcoholics, and the occasional murderer.


Good Lord, you sound bitter. Did you not do any partying at all in high school or college? Did you never make a new friend by joining a club?

Found the frat defender

Neoconkers posted...
what the fuck is wrong with the US education system

Aside from the fact that most students have to go tens of thousands of dollars into debt for a sheet of paper to get them an interview at a place where they will likely be overlooked in favor of someone who "knows someone"...

Quite a lot, actually.
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Muffinz0rz
11/13/17 11:09:16 AM
#132:


bump
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WesternMedia
11/15/17 4:30:58 AM
#133:


Just charge the fuckers who did it with manslaughter.
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WesternMedia
11/17/17 2:20:24 AM
#134:


Just charge the fuckers who did it with manslaughter
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Muffinz0rz
11/17/17 10:54:45 AM
#135:


WesternMedia posted...
Just charge the fuckers who did it with manslaughter

I have no objections
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FratMilkyHolme
11/19/17 5:27:19 AM
#136:


>_>
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Muffinz0rz
11/19/17 12:15:21 PM
#137:


FratMilkyHolme posted...
>_>

Username checks out
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