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JoeyBowey 11/06/17 2:38:10 PM #102:	LordRazziel posted... My whole point has been just because people don't obey laws, doesn't mean we shouldn't have them. So, I don't know why your asking me for a solution to all this. What a pointless and unhelpful remark. No one is suggesting we shouldn't have gun laws that are already in place. He have gun laws. So thanks for nothing. <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889876211] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>My whole point has been just because people don't obey laws, doesn't mean we shouldn't have them. So, I don't know why your asking me for a solution to all this.</quote> What a pointless and unhelpful remark. No one is suggesting we shouldn't have gun laws that are already in place. He have gun laws. So thanks for nothing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 11/06/17 2:38:21 PM #103:	Mal_Fet posted... Because bearing arms is a right and driving a car is not bearing arms is an invented right and databasing provides no inherent negative impact to it anyway driving also offers much more tangible and practical benefit to U.S. citizens daily also the argument that people will use vehicles to terrorize instead falls flat because the follow up is that you can also secure those with more baricaded roadways and other safety measures --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:889876225] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>Because bearing arms is a right and driving a car is not</quote> bearing arms is an invented right and databasing provides no inherent negative impact to it anyway driving also offers much more tangible and practical benefit to U.S. citizens daily also the argument that people will use vehicles to terrorize instead falls flat because the follow up is that you can also secure those with more baricaded roadways and other safety measures</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 11/06/17 2:39:29 PM #104:	JoeyBowey posted... LordRazziel posted... My whole point has been just because people don't obey laws, doesn't mean we shouldn't have them. So, I don't know why your asking me for a solution to all this. What a pointless and unhelpful remark. No one is suggesting we shouldn't have gun laws that are already in place. He have gun laws. So thanks for nothing. Anything that is proposed is always countered with criminals dont care about laws anyway!...hes just pointing out that people who think that way arent helping at all and its a stupid mentality to have. Relax. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:889876294] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>My whole point has been just because people don't obey laws, doesn't mean we shouldn't have them. So, I don't know why your asking me for a solution to all this.</quote> What a pointless and unhelpful remark. No one is suggesting we shouldn't have gun laws that are already in place. He have gun laws. So thanks for nothing.</quote> Anything that is proposed is always countered with criminals dont care about laws anyway!...hes just pointing out that people who think that way arent helping at all and its a stupid mentality to have. Relax.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JoeyBowey 11/06/17 2:39:31 PM #105:	prettyprincess posted... also the argument that people will use vehicles to terrorize instead falls flat because the follow up is that you can also secure those with more baricaded roadways and other safety measures Really? We're going to barricade crosswalks too? <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889876296] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>prettyprincess posted...</cite> <quote>also the argument that people will use vehicles to terrorize instead falls flat because the follow up is that you can also secure those with more baricaded roadways and other safety measures</quote> Really? We're going to barricade crosswalks too?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 11/06/17 2:41:49 PM #106:	JoeyBowey posted... LordRazziel posted... My whole point has been just because people don't obey laws, doesn't mean we shouldn't have them. So, I don't know why your asking me for a solution to all this. What a pointless and unhelpful remark. No one is suggesting we shouldn't have gun laws that are already in place. He have gun laws. So thanks for nothing. This is all in response to your post saying that gun control would not have prevented this. What helpful points have you offered? --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:889876421] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>My whole point has been just because people don't obey laws, doesn't mean we shouldn't have them. So, I don't know why your asking me for a solution to all this.</quote> What a pointless and unhelpful remark. No one is suggesting we shouldn't have gun laws that are already in place. He have gun laws. So thanks for nothing.</quote> This is all in response to your post saying that gun control would not have prevented this. What helpful points have you offered?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JoeyBowey 11/06/17 2:44:03 PM #107:	LordRazziel posted... This is all in response to your post saying that gun control would not have prevented this. What helpful points have you offered? That point in itself is helpful as it defeats an unhelpful suggestion what would not have improved or prevented the situation in Texas. <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889876530] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>This is all in response to your post saying that gun control would not have prevented this. What helpful points have you offered?</quote> That point in itself is helpful as it defeats an unhelpful suggestion what would not have improved or prevented the situation in Texas.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 11/06/17 2:48:08 PM #108:	JoeyBowey posted... LordRazziel posted... This is all in response to your post saying that gun control would not have prevented this. What helpful points have you offered? That point in itself is helpful as it defeats an unhelpful suggestion what would not have improved or prevented the situation in Texas. No it doesnt. Youre only focusing on this one issue and not the overall problem as a whole. So it might not have prevented this. It may prevent several others in the future. Stop limiting it to one case. The one case starts a conversation. You only making it about that one case isnt helpful at all. A suggestion was made and your response was it wouldnt help this instance! Or criminals wont follow that!....how is any of that helpful? Its like seat belt laws. If someone was in an accident so horrific that seat belts wouldnt have helped but someone looks at that and says accidents like this keep happening. Lets make a seatbelt laws..if you said ugh! Seatbelts wouldnt have helped that person! How is that helping the overall issue? Its not specific to the one case that started the conversation and until people can wrap their head around that no progress will be made. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:889876772] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>This is all in response to your post saying that gun control would not have prevented this. What helpful points have you offered?</quote> That point in itself is helpful as it defeats an unhelpful suggestion what would not have improved or prevented the situation in Texas.</quote> No it doesnt. Youre only focusing on this one issue and not the overall problem as a whole. So it might not have prevented this. It may prevent several others in the future. Stop limiting it to one case. The one case starts a conversation. You only making it about that one case isnt helpful at all. A suggestion was made and your response was it wouldnt help this instance! Or criminals wont follow that!....how is any of that helpful? Its like seat belt laws. If someone was in an accident so horrific that seat belts wouldnt have helped but someone looks at that and says accidents like this keep happening. Lets make a seatbelt laws..if you said ugh! Seatbelts wouldnt have helped that person! How is that helping the overall issue? Its not specific to the one case that started the conversation and until people can wrap their head around that no progress will be made.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JoeyBowey 11/06/17 2:49:53 PM #109:	TheVipaGTS posted... It may prevent several others in the future. You need to propose a preventative measure before we can make that assessment. Just saying "gun control" isn't a helpful response. <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889876878] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote> It may prevent several others in the future.</quote> You need to propose a preventative measure before we can make that assessment. Just saying "gun control" isn't a helpful response.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 11/06/17 2:51:23 PM #110:	JoeyBowey posted... TheVipaGTS posted... It may prevent several others in the future. You need to propose a preventative measure before we can make that assessment. Just saying "gun control" isn't a helpful response. Good job ignoring the rest of the post and the point being made. --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:889876966] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote> It may prevent several others in the future.</quote> You need to propose a preventative measure before we can make that assessment. Just saying "gun control" isn't a helpful response.</quote> Good job ignoring the rest of the post and the point being made.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 11/06/17 2:51:33 PM #111:	JoeyBowey posted... LordRazziel posted... This is all in response to your post saying that gun control would not have prevented this. What helpful points have you offered? That point in itself is helpful as it defeats an unhelpful suggestion what would not have improved or prevented the situation in Texas. You could say the same thing of my post. You keep asking me to provide solutions, but offer none of your own. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:889876977] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>This is all in response to your post saying that gun control would not have prevented this. What helpful points have you offered?</quote> That point in itself is helpful as it defeats an unhelpful suggestion what would not have improved or prevented the situation in Texas.</quote> You could say the same thing of my post. You keep asking me to provide solutions, but offer none of your own.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JoeyBowey 11/06/17 2:54:40 PM #112:	TheVipaGTS posted... Good job ignoring the rest of the post and the point being made. You mean the edited part that I didn't see? Don't be dishonest. LordRazziel posted... You could say the same thing of my post. You keep asking me to provide solutions, but offer none of your own. My whole stance is that there is no solution. Bad people will do bad things. I'm open to suggestions but I have yet to hear one that's viable or effective. <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889877183] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>Good job ignoring the rest of the post and the point being made.</quote> You mean the edited part that I didn't see? Don't be dishonest. <cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>You could say the same thing of my post. You keep asking me to provide solutions, but offer none of your own.</quote> My whole stance is that there is no solution. Bad people will do bad things. I'm open to suggestions but I have yet to hear one that's viable or effective.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 11/06/17 2:56:14 PM #113:	JoeyBowey posted... Really? We're going to barricade crosswalks too? if something is a problem, you devise things to solve it is that belief not the reason we are barricading the border? should vehicular attacks increase then why would you not create more protective barriers in high traffic areas? these already exist in certain locations to simply prevent accidents --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:889877264] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote>Really? We're going to barricade crosswalks too?</quote> if something is a problem, you devise things to solve it is that belief not the reason we are barricading the border? should vehicular attacks increase then why would you not create more protective barriers in high traffic areas? these already exist in certain locations to simply prevent accidents</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gna647 11/06/17 2:57:14 PM #114:	JoeyBowey posted... prettyprincess posted... also the argument that people will use vehicles to terrorize instead falls flat because the follow up is that you can also secure those with more baricaded roadways and other safety measures Really? We're going to barricade crosswalks too? BAricades that come up during crosswalk times and go down when its not passing time --- http://i.imgur.com/iMaDK.jpg http://i.imgur.com/e9OCH.jpg http://i.imgur.com/RnA9A.gif http://i.imgur.com/LvJeR.png <cite>gna647 posted [p:889877313] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>prettyprincess posted...</cite> <quote>also the argument that people will use vehicles to terrorize instead falls flat because the follow up is that you can also secure those with more baricaded roadways and other safety measures</quote> Really? We're going to barricade crosswalks too?</quote> BAricades that come up during crosswalk times and go down when its not passing time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ModLogic 11/06/17 2:57:43 PM #115:	The_OD posted... Because you get snow flakes like jimmy kimmel who get so emotional over something like this. when emotions run high people make stupid decisions like wanting to ban guns.. news flash, people like the church shooter, will get guns regardless, and iirc, he was stopped by someone with a shot gun... there are so many news stories of people stopping mass shootings due to law abiding citizens with guns, the media doesn't want people to know about.. so they don't report it. mental illness is the issue.. the gun is a tool. there was a stabbing in a city near me.. should we look at banning knives?? people will get drugs regardless. every school should be selling cocain with lunch deals. --- http://i.imgur.com/hEL2qQYh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/lbSi0U3.png http://i.imgur.com/FA2GxDS.jpg http://i.imgur.com/xaRYKZM.png http://i.imgur.com/ZngbqJn.jpg <cite>ModLogic posted [p:889877351] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_OD posted...</cite> <quote>Because you get snow flakes like jimmy kimmel who get so emotional over something like this. when emotions run high people make stupid decisions like wanting to ban guns.. news flash, people like the church shooter, will get guns regardless, and iirc, he was stopped by someone with a shot gun... there are so many news stories of people stopping mass shootings due to law abiding citizens with guns, the media doesn't want people to know about.. so they don't report it. mental illness is the issue.. the gun is a tool. there was a stabbing in a city near me.. should we look at banning knives??</quote> people will get drugs regardless. every school should be selling cocain with lunch deals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheVipaGTS 11/06/17 2:59:13 PM #116:	JoeyBowey posted... TheVipaGTS posted... Good job ignoring the rest of the post and the point being made. You mean the edited part that I didn't see? Don't be dishonest. LordRazziel posted... You could say the same thing of my post. You keep asking me to provide solutions, but offer none of your own. My whole stance is that there is no solution. Bad people will do bad things. I'm open to suggestions but I have yet to hear one that's viable or effective. No I mean the entire paragraph that was there before the edit that if only replied to one sentence. How is what youre doing helpful? Do you believe there is nothing we can do? --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 <cite>TheVipaGTS posted [p:889877444] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>Good job ignoring the rest of the post and the point being made.</quote> You mean the edited part that I didn't see? Don't be dishonest. <cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>You could say the same thing of my post. You keep asking me to provide solutions, but offer none of your own.</quote> My whole stance is that there is no solution. Bad people will do bad things. I'm open to suggestions but I have yet to hear one that's viable or effective.</quote> No I mean the entire paragraph that was there before the edit that if only replied to one sentence. How is what youre doing helpful? Do you believe there is nothing we can do?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JoeyBowey 11/06/17 2:59:57 PM #117:	prettyprincess posted... JoeyBowey posted... Really? We're going to barricade crosswalks too? if something is a problem, you devise things to solve it is that belief not the reason we are barricading the border? should vehicular attacks increase then why would you not create more protective barriers in high traffic areas? these already exist in certain locations to simply prevent accidents It's not viable. We could theoretically build bulletproof glass cases that surround every citizen. Doesn't mean it isn't prohibitively expensive or impossible to implement. <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889877482] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>prettyprincess posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote>Really? We're going to barricade crosswalks too?</quote> if something is a problem, you devise things to solve it is that belief not the reason we are barricading the border? should vehicular attacks increase then why would you not create more protective barriers in high traffic areas? these already exist in certain locations to simply prevent accidents</quote> It's not viable. We could theoretically build bulletproof glass cases that surround every citizen. Doesn't mean it isn't prohibitively expensive or impossible to implement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JoeyBowey 11/06/17 3:01:42 PM #118:	TheVipaGTS posted... Do you believe there is nothing we can do? What part of this didn't you understand? JoeyBowey posted... My whole stance is that there is no solution. Bad people will do bad things. I'm open to suggestions but I have yet to hear one that's viable or effective. Like I said before, pointing out that a suggestion will not prevent such an attack is itself helpful. <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889877628] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>Do you believe there is nothing we can do?</quote> What part of this didn't you understand? <cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote>My whole stance is that there is no solution. Bad people will do bad things. I'm open to suggestions but I have yet to hear one that's viable or effective.</quote> Like I said before, pointing out that a suggestion will not prevent such an attack is itself helpful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 11/06/17 3:03:21 PM #119:	JoeyBowey posted... TheVipaGTS posted... Good job ignoring the rest of the post and the point being made. You mean the edited part that I didn't see? Don't be dishonest. LordRazziel posted... You could say the same thing of my post. You keep asking me to provide solutions, but offer none of your own. My whole stance is that there is no solution. Bad people will do bad things. I'm open to suggestions but I have yet to hear one that's viable or effective. That's my stance, as well. Gun control doesn't have to stop all gun crime to be effective. Same goes for vetting immigrants. Just because it won't stop terrorism, doesn't mean we shouldn't do it. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:889877744] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>Good job ignoring the rest of the post and the point being made.</quote> You mean the edited part that I didn't see? Don't be dishonest. <cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>You could say the same thing of my post. You keep asking me to provide solutions, but offer none of your own.</quote> My whole stance is that there is no solution. Bad people will do bad things. I'm open to suggestions but I have yet to hear one that's viable or effective.</quote> That's my stance, as well. Gun control doesn't have to stop all gun crime to be effective. Same goes for vetting immigrants. Just because it won't stop terrorism, doesn't mean we shouldn't do it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
booboy 11/06/17 3:07:02 PM #120:	I'm curious as to how he was able to openly buy an AR-15 at a brick and mortar store, if dishonorable discharges mean that it is illegal to own a firearm. --- There is no problem that can't be solved by applying more yuri to it. In Torque We Trust <cite>booboy posted [p:889877965] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote>I'm curious as to how he was able to openly buy an AR-15 at a brick and mortar store, if dishonorable discharges mean that it is illegal to own a firearm.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JoeyBowey 11/06/17 3:11:05 PM #121:	LordRazziel posted... Gun control doesn't have to stop all gun crime to be effective. No one is suggesting that. If you have proposal that would stop ANY gun crime I'm open to hearing it. <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889878244] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>Gun control doesn't have to stop all gun crime to be effective.</quote> No one is suggesting that. If you have proposal that would stop ANY gun crime I'm open to hearing it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 11/06/17 3:13:29 PM #123:	JoeyBowey posted... LordRazziel posted... Gun control doesn't have to stop all gun crime to be effective. No one is suggesting that. If you have proposal that would stop ANY gun crime I'm open to hearing it. I already said I don't have one. If you are for gun control, why make the point that it won't stop events like this? --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:889878433] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>Gun control doesn't have to stop all gun crime to be effective.</quote> No one is suggesting that. If you have proposal that would stop ANY gun crime I'm open to hearing it.</quote> I already said I don't have one. If you are for gun control, why make the point that it won't stop events like this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JoeyBowey 11/06/17 3:16:37 PM #124:	LordRazziel posted... If you are for gun control, why make the point that it won't stop events like this? I'm not since I've yet to hear a proposal that would be effective or viable. <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889878619] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote> If you are for gun control, why make the point that it won't stop events like this?</quote> I'm not since I've yet to hear a proposal that would be effective or viable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 11/06/17 3:20:38 PM #125:	JoeyBowey posted... LordRazziel posted... If you are for gun control, why make the point that it won't stop events like this? I'm not since I've yet to hear a proposal that would be effective or viable. JoeyBowey posted... CocteauQuadrplt posted... Lol, this method of reasoning and fallacy is always the dumbest argument gun nuts try to make. Why is it dumb? The shooter apparently got his gun(s) illegally anyway, so gun control wouldn't have helped here. Gun control doesn't have to stop all gun crime to be effective. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:889878874] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote> If you are for gun control, why make the point that it won't stop events like this?</quote> I'm not since I've yet to hear a proposal that would be effective or viable.</quote> <cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CocteauQuadrplt posted...</cite> <quote>Lol, this method of reasoning and fallacy is always the dumbest argument gun nuts try to make.</quote> Why is it dumb? The shooter apparently got his gun(s) illegally anyway, so gun control wouldn't have helped here.</quote> Gun control doesn't have to stop all gun crime to be effective. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JoeyBowey 11/06/17 3:22:04 PM #126:	LordRazziel posted... Gun control doesn't have to stop all gun crime to be effective. Gun control needs to top SOME gun crime to be effective. I have yet to hear one that would be effective or viable. Please read the above carefully this time. <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889878964] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote> Gun control doesn't have to stop all gun crime to be effective. </quote> Gun control needs to top SOME gun crime to be effective. I have yet to hear one that would be effective or viable. Please read the above carefully this time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 11/06/17 3:22:26 PM #127:	JoeyBowey posted... It's not viable. We could theoretically build bulletproof glass cases that surround every citizen. Doesn't mean it isn't prohibitively expensive or impossible to implement. the thing that already exists to some capacity in most metropolitan areas is definitely viable furthermore, not being able to entirely prevent crimes doesn't work as a justification to avoid enacting measures that reduce their frequency --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:889878983] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote>It's not viable. We could theoretically build bulletproof glass cases that surround every citizen. Doesn't mean it isn't prohibitively expensive or impossible to implement.</quote> the thing that already exists to some capacity in most metropolitan areas is definitely viable furthermore, not being able to entirely prevent crimes doesn't work as a justification to avoid enacting measures that reduce their frequency</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 11/06/17 3:24:42 PM #128:	JoeyBowey posted... LordRazziel posted... Gun control doesn't have to stop all gun crime to be effective. Gun control needs to top SOME gun crime to be effective. I have yet to hear one that would be effective or viable. Please read the above carefully this time. If you think it's not viable or effective and will not prevent any gun crime, why are you for it? --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:889879120] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote> Gun control doesn't have to stop all gun crime to be effective. </quote> Gun control needs to top SOME gun crime to be effective. I have yet to hear one that would be effective or viable. Please read the above carefully this time.</quote> If you think it's not viable or effective and will not prevent any gun crime, why are you for it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JoeyBowey 11/06/17 3:26:53 PM #129:	LordRazziel posted... If you think it's not viable or effective and will not prevent any gun crime, why are you for it? Jesus Christ. Learn to read JoeyBowey posted... LordRazziel posted... If you are for gun control, why make the point that it won't stop events like this? I'm not since I've yet to hear a proposal that would be effective or viable. <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889879256] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote> If you think it's not viable or effective and will not prevent any gun crime, why are you for it?</quote> Jesus Christ. Learn to read <cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote> If you are for gun control, why make the point that it won't stop events like this?</quote> I'm not since I've yet to hear a proposal that would be effective or viable.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JoeyBowey 11/06/17 3:27:54 PM #130:	prettyprincess posted... the thing that already exists to some capacity in most metropolitan areas is definitely viable Constructing high cost movable barriers in even 50% of all crosswalks is not viable. <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889879311] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>prettyprincess posted...</cite> <quote>the thing that already exists to some capacity in most metropolitan areas is definitely viable </quote> Constructing high cost movable barriers in even 50% of all crosswalks is not viable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 11/06/17 3:33:02 PM #132:	gross exaggerations to ignore an idea mean nothing when I specifically gave reference to high traffic areas and already denied the requirement for all-encompassing prevention to justify its value --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:889879635] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote>gross exaggerations to ignore an idea mean nothing when I specifically gave reference to high traffic areas and already denied the requirement for all-encompassing prevention to justify its value</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 11/06/17 3:37:09 PM #133:	JoeyBowey posted... LordRazziel posted... If you think it's not viable or effective and will not prevent any gun crime, why are you for it? Jesus Christ. Learn to read JoeyBowey posted... LordRazziel posted... If you are for gun control, why make the point that it won't stop events like this? I'm not since I've yet to hear a proposal that would be effective or viable. That's my bad. So your stance is that gun control has not prevented any crime, ever? It is difficult to provide a specific instance where some one would have committed a gun crime, but not being able to obtain a gun would have stopped. It is, however, logical to say that this is so. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:889879908] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote> If you think it's not viable or effective and will not prevent any gun crime, why are you for it?</quote> Jesus Christ. Learn to read <cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote> If you are for gun control, why make the point that it won't stop events like this?</quote> I'm not since I've yet to hear a proposal that would be effective or viable.</quote></quote> That's my bad. So your stance is that gun control has not prevented any crime, ever? It is difficult to provide a specific instance where some one would have committed a gun crime, but not being able to obtain a gun would have stopped. It is, however, logical to say that this is so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JoeyBowey 11/06/17 3:38:59 PM #134:	prettyprincess posted... gross exaggerations to ignore an idea mean nothing when I specifically gave reference to high traffic areas and already denied the requirement for all-encompassing prevention to justify its value Great. Thanks for the pointless remark then. Metal detectors are an effective way to stop people from bringing guns to large gatherings... but to just suggest "just have metal detectors everywhere" isn't a very helpful suggestion when it can't be implemented in in a fraction of locations where a large number of people gather. Of course I support barriers in high traffic areas like times square. But you claimed that citing terror attacks with vehicles is defeated because of the ability to put up barriers. Nonsense. <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889880031] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>prettyprincess posted...</cite> <quote>gross exaggerations to ignore an idea mean nothing when I specifically gave reference to high traffic areas and already denied the requirement for all-encompassing prevention to justify its value</quote> Great. Thanks for the pointless remark then. Metal detectors are an effective way to stop people from bringing guns to large gatherings... but to just suggest "just have metal detectors everywhere" isn't a very helpful suggestion when it can't be implemented in in a fraction of locations where a large number of people gather. Of course I support barriers in high traffic areas like times square. But you claimed that citing terror attacks with vehicles is defeated because of the ability to put up barriers. Nonsense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JoeyBowey 11/06/17 3:40:29 PM #135:	LordRazziel posted... So your stance is that gun control has not prevented any crime, ever? No. The context of this convo is about additional gun control. <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889880129] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>So your stance is that gun control has not prevented any crime, ever?</quote> No. The context of this convo is about additional gun control.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 11/06/17 3:40:45 PM #136:	LordRazziel posted... So your stance is that gun control has not prevented any crime, ever? Statistically, no it hasn't. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:889880157] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>So your stance is that gun control has not prevented any crime, ever?</quote> Statistically, no it hasn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 11/06/17 3:41:43 PM #137:	Mal_Fet posted... LordRazziel posted... So your stance is that gun control has not prevented any crime, ever? Statistically, no it hasn't. How would you get those statistics? --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:889880218] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>So your stance is that gun control has not prevented any crime, ever?</quote> Statistically, no it hasn't.</quote> How would you get those statistics?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scar the 1 11/06/17 3:43:26 PM #138:	So can I get a tl;dr on this? Did the guy have legally or illegally acquired firearms? How many firearms did he own? What kind of firearm did he use for the shooting? --- Everything has an end, except for the sausage. It has two. <cite>scar the 1 posted [p:889880319] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote>So can I get a tl;dr on this? Did the guy have legally or illegally acquired firearms? How many firearms did he own? What kind of firearm did he use for the shooting?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 11/06/17 3:44:08 PM #139:	LordRazziel posted... Mal_Fet posted... LordRazziel posted... So your stance is that gun control has not prevented any crime, ever? Statistically, no it hasn't. How would you get those statistics? From any one of the many comprehensive studies on firearms and the laws thereof (which apparently don't exist, according to some people ITT) https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/costs-consequences-gun-control --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:889880364] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>So your stance is that gun control has not prevented any crime, ever?</quote> Statistically, no it hasn't.</quote> How would you get those statistics?</quote> From any one of the many comprehensive studies on firearms and the laws thereof (which apparently don't exist, according to some people ITT) https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/costs-consequences-gun-control</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CircleOfManias 11/06/17 3:45:00 PM #140:	https://www.theonion.com/nation-to-wait-for-more-facts-on-texas-shooting-before-1820186609 --- Sick liaisons raise this monumental mark The sun sets forever over Blackwater Park <cite>CircleOfManias posted [p:889880413] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote>https://www.theonion.com/nation-to-wait-for-more-facts-on-texas-shooting-before-1820186609</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/06/17 3:45:49 PM #141:	Rome wasn't built in a day. If this shit is indeed part of our culture as people like to argue, then our culture is sick and we need to start treating it so we can eventually get better. We love to shit on other cultures for all their issues, and rightfully so, but then we turn around and basically say that mass shootings are part and parcel with living in America. You know, the thing the London mayor never said that we freaked out about. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:889880464] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote>Rome wasn't built in a day. If this shit is indeed part of our culture as people like to argue, then our culture is sick and we need to start treating it so we can eventually get better. We love to shit on other cultures for all their issues, and rightfully so, but then we turn around and basically say that mass shootings are part and parcel with living in America. You know, the thing the London mayor never said that we freaked out about.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 11/06/17 3:46:21 PM #142:	CircleOfManias posted... https://www.theonion.com/nation-to-wait-for-more-facts-on-texas-shooting-before-1820186609 So The Onion is reporting facts now? --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:889880507] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>CircleOfManias posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.theonion.com/nation-to-wait-for-more-facts-on-texas-shooting-before-1820186609</quote> So The Onion is reporting facts now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tommybel89 11/06/17 3:47:20 PM #143:	The mainstream Left (media + Hollywood + campus culture) demonizing and dehumanizing the Right (Deplorables, trash, toxic whiteness etc) is not at all a problem, folks. --- Go Leafs Go http://www.last.fm/user/Disposableher0 <cite>tommybel89 posted [p:889880570] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote>The mainstream Left (media + Hollywood + campus culture) demonizing and dehumanizing the Right (Deplorables, trash, toxic whiteness etc) is not at all a problem, folks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/06/17 3:48:27 PM #144:	Tmaster148 posted... CircleOfManias posted... https://www.theonion.com/nation-to-wait-for-more-facts-on-texas-shooting-before-1820186609 So The Onion is reporting facts now? https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1820163660/ --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:889880652] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CircleOfManias posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.theonion.com/nation-to-wait-for-more-facts-on-texas-shooting-before-1820186609</quote> So The Onion is reporting facts now?</quote> https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1820163660/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 11/06/17 3:50:04 PM #145:	CircleOfManias posted... https://www.theonion.com/nation-to-wait-for-more-facts-on-texas-shooting-before-1820186609 The Onion is literally owned by one of Hillary Clinton's top donors, Haim Saban And unsurprisingly, it's been painfully unfunny and tone-deaf ever since the buyout. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:889880757] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>CircleOfManias posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.theonion.com/nation-to-wait-for-more-facts-on-texas-shooting-before-1820186609</quote> The Onion is literally owned by one of Hillary Clinton's top donors, Haim Saban And unsurprisingly, it's been painfully unfunny and tone-deaf ever since the buyout.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 11/06/17 3:50:43 PM #146:	Mal_Fet posted... CircleOfManias posted... https://www.theonion.com/nation-to-wait-for-more-facts-on-texas-shooting-before-1820186609 The Onion is literally owned by one of Hillary Clinton's top donors, Haim Saban And unsurprisingly, it's been painfully unfunny and tone-deaf ever since the buyout. Imagine being triggered by The Onion. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:889880798] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CircleOfManias posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.theonion.com/nation-to-wait-for-more-facts-on-texas-shooting-before-1820186609</quote> The Onion is literally owned by one of Hillary Clinton's top donors, Haim Saban And unsurprisingly, it's been painfully unfunny and tone-deaf ever since the buyout.</quote> Imagine being triggered by The Onion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 11/06/17 3:53:04 PM #147:	'do nothing, stop nothing' is a pointless remark and your own argument defeats it metal detectors are not erected everywhere but are a preventative measure that continue to be added in important high impact areas as time goes on similarly, any amount of barrier addition over time would compound reducing the ease and rate of tragedy (even accidental) justifies the efforts needed, it quite literally helps by not being nothing but, yes, the initial point was that citing it as an alternative means nothing because you can always address other issues as well an alternative existing doesn't excuse ignoring the ability to moderate one thing in and of itself --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:889880953] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote>'do nothing, stop nothing' is a pointless remark and your own argument defeats it metal detectors are not erected everywhere but are a preventative measure that continue to be added in important high impact areas as time goes on similarly, any amount of barrier addition over time would compound reducing the ease and rate of tragedy (even accidental) justifies the efforts needed, it quite literally helps by not being nothing but, yes, the initial point was that citing it as an alternative means nothing because you can always address other issues as well an alternative existing doesn't excuse ignoring the ability to moderate one thing in and of itself</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/06/17 3:53:14 PM #148:	Mal_Fet posted... CircleOfManias posted... https://www.theonion.com/nation-to-wait-for-more-facts-on-texas-shooting-before-1820186609 The Onion is literally owned by one of Hillary Clinton's top donors, Haim Saban And unsurprisingly, it's been painfully unfunny and tone-deaf ever since the buyout. But Hillary! It's hard to compete with the cruel joke that is actual America and shootings. And like these Onion articles, even that gets too old and real after you tell it too many times. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:889880959] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CircleOfManias posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.theonion.com/nation-to-wait-for-more-facts-on-texas-shooting-before-1820186609</quote> The Onion is literally owned by one of Hillary Clinton's top donors, Haim Saban And unsurprisingly, it's been painfully unfunny and tone-deaf ever since the buyout.</quote> But Hillary! It's hard to compete with the cruel joke that is actual America and shootings. And like these Onion articles, even that gets too old and real after you tell it too many times.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 11/06/17 3:55:25 PM #149:	Tmaster148 posted... Mal_Fet posted... CircleOfManias posted... https://www.theonion.com/nation-to-wait-for-more-facts-on-texas-shooting-before-1820186609 The Onion is literally owned by one of Hillary Clinton's top donors, Haim Saban And unsurprisingly, it's been painfully unfunny and tone-deaf ever since the buyout. Imagine being triggered by The Onion. I'm gonna call this the Wimp-Lo defense. "You criticized me/something I like! This makes me the victor!" --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:889881093] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CircleOfManias posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.theonion.com/nation-to-wait-for-more-facts-on-texas-shooting-before-1820186609</quote> The Onion is literally owned by one of Hillary Clinton's top donors, Haim Saban And unsurprisingly, it's been painfully unfunny and tone-deaf ever since the buyout.</quote> Imagine being triggered by The Onion.</quote> I'm gonna call this the Wimp-Lo defense. "You criticized me/something I like! This makes me the victor!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JoeyBowey 11/06/17 3:55:52 PM #150:	hockeybub89 posted... If this shit is indeed part of our culture as people like to argue, then our culture is sick and we need to start treating it so we can eventually get better. There is nothing sick about guns. There are 350 million guns in this country. Only 11k homicides are done with a firearm. That's .003% AND that's ignoring that the far majority of those guns were obtained illegally. <cite>JoeyBowey posted [p:889881117] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>If this shit is indeed part of our culture as people like to argue, then our culture is sick and we need to start treating it so we can eventually get better.</quote> There is nothing sick about guns. There are 350 million guns in this country. Only 11k homicides are done with a firearm. That's .003% AND that's ignoring that the far majority of those guns were obtained illegally.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordRazziel 11/06/17 3:58:06 PM #151:	Mal_Fet posted... LordRazziel posted... Mal_Fet posted... LordRazziel posted... So your stance is that gun control has not prevented any crime, ever? Statistically, no it hasn't. How would you get those statistics? From any one of the many comprehensive studies on firearms and the laws thereof (which apparently don't exist, according to some people ITT) https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/costs-consequences-gun-control https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3828709/ There is a study that shows it does. Bias google-fu aside, it would stand to reason that gun control has prevented, at least, some gun crime. --- http://i.imgur.com/8pzUM.gif http://i.imgur.com/Oh1iujg.gif The only bad part about flying is having to come back down to the f***in' world ~Rat <cite>LordRazziel posted [p:889881280] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordRazziel posted...</cite> <quote>So your stance is that gun control has not prevented any crime, ever?</quote> Statistically, no it hasn't.</quote> How would you get those statistics?</quote> From any one of the many comprehensive studies on firearms and the laws thereof (which apparently don't exist, according to some people ITT) https://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/costs-consequences-gun-control</quote> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3828709/ There is a study that shows it does. Bias google-fu aside, it would stand to reason that gun control has prevented, at least, some gun crime.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 11/06/17 3:58:10 PM #152:	Mal_Fet posted... Tmaster148 posted... Mal_Fet posted... CircleOfManias posted... https://www.theonion.com/nation-to-wait-for-more-facts-on-texas-shooting-before-1820186609 The Onion is literally owned by one of Hillary Clinton's top donors, Haim Saban And unsurprisingly, it's been painfully unfunny and tone-deaf ever since the buyout. Imagine being triggered by The Onion. I'm gonna call this the Wimp-Lo defense. "You criticized me/something I like! This makes me the victor!" I'm not calling myself a victor here. It's just really sad that a satire site triggered you. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:889881285] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmaster148 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CircleOfManias posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.theonion.com/nation-to-wait-for-more-facts-on-texas-shooting-before-1820186609</quote> The Onion is literally owned by one of Hillary Clinton's top donors, Haim Saban And unsurprisingly, it's been painfully unfunny and tone-deaf ever since the buyout.</quote> Imagine being triggered by The Onion.</quote> I'm gonna call this the Wimp-Lo defense. "You criticized me/something I like! This makes me the victor!"</quote> I'm not calling myself a victor here. It's just really sad that a satire site triggered you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 11/06/17 3:59:35 PM #153:	JoeyBowey posted... hockeybub89 posted... If this shit is indeed part of our culture as people like to argue, then our culture is sick and we need to start treating it so we can eventually get better. There is nothing sick about guns. There are 350 million guns in this country. Only 11k homicides are done with a firearm. That's .003% AND that's ignoring that the far majority of those guns were obtained illegally. Guns aren't sick. People are. I'm talking about when people say things like "America has a different culture" when defending why we see so many of these shootings in a developed nation versus anywhere else. "Cultural difference" apparently is a valid excuse for American culture flaws. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:889881373] in Trump: It'... [t:75961300]...</cite> <quote><cite>JoeyBowey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>hockeybub89 posted...</cite> <quote>If this shit is indeed part of our culture as people like to argue, then our culture is sick and we need to start treating it so we can eventually get better.</quote> There is nothing sick about guns. There are 350 million guns in this country. Only 11k homicides are done with a firearm. That's .003% AND that's ignoring that the far majority of those guns were obtained illegally.</quote> Guns aren't sick. People are. I'm talking about when people say things like "America has a different culture" when defending why we see so many of these shootings in a developed nation versus anywhere else. "Cultural difference" apparently is a valid excuse for American culture flaws.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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