Poll of the Day > 1 million, but every criminal dies

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Sarcasthma 11/06/17 9:55:38 PM #52:	ChouBF posted... Sarcasthma posted... ChouBF posted... Sarcasthma posted... It can result in a felony if it's a repeat offense. What kind of numbnut gets caught pissing in public more than once...? A drunkard. One who needs to git gud. In this hypothetical persons defense, its hard to git drunk and git gud. --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. <cite>Sarcasthma posted [p:889903022] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChouBF posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sarcasthma posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChouBF posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sarcasthma posted...</cite> <quote>It can result in a felony if it's a repeat offense.</quote> What kind of numbnut gets caught pissing in public more than once...?</quote> A drunkard.</quote> One who needs to git gud.</quote> In this hypothetical persons defense, its hard to git drunk and git gud.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Rasmoh 11/06/17 9:57:54 PM #54:	SomeUsername529 posted... I'm actually surprised. Usually sanity prevails in the votes even if the comments are absurd but this time it's pretty clear how little thought people actually give to the specifics of criminality. The stipulation of convicted felons is what makes it a go for most people. It's hardly insane to want to purge society of a huge black hole of resources that's rotting away increasingly large parts of the country. Revelation34 posted... You're going to have to prove your entire post now. I work for the Department of Justice in my state. Your typical felon runs around for a decade or so before finally ceasing to commit crimes. Then when they finally do stop, they end up being huge societal drains because they collect welfare for the rest of their lives, often because they've permanently fucked up their bodies in the course of their criminal careers and because the type of people who end up being felons tend to not do things like patiently work their way up the ladder at a job or pursue a useful education. It's been awhile since I read into some of the hard data, but something like one in 100 felons end up not actually being a net drain on society. Not to mention many felons run around ruining shit for innocent people and literally never do hard time because there's just literally not room in prisons for anything but the worst of the worst. Our unwillingness to actual get rid of criminals is one of the biggest underlying causes for many of the issues we face as a society. Overburdened social programs, lack of housing, public education becoming increasingly shitty, urban decay, the homeless epidemic, exorbitant medical costs, etc. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:889903136] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>SomeUsername529 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm actually surprised. Usually sanity prevails in the votes even if the comments are absurd but this time it's pretty clear how little thought people actually give to the specifics of criminality.</quote> The stipulation of convicted felons is what makes it a go for most people. It's hardly insane to want to purge society of a huge black hole of resources that's rotting away increasingly large parts of the country. <cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>You're going to have to prove your entire post now.</quote> I work for the Department of Justice in my state. Your typical felon runs around for a decade or so before finally ceasing to commit crimes. Then when they finally do stop, they end up being huge societal drains because they collect welfare for the rest of their lives, often because they've permanently fucked up their bodies in the course of their criminal careers and because the type of people who end up being felons tend to not do things like patiently work their way up the ladder at a job or pursue a useful education. It's been awhile since I read into some of the hard data, but something like one in 100 felons end up not actually being a net drain on society. Not to mention many felons run around ruining shit for innocent people and literally never do hard time because there's just literally not room in prisons for anything but the worst of the worst. Our unwillingness to actual get rid of criminals is one of the biggest underlying causes for many of the issues we face as a society. Overburdened social programs, lack of housing, public education becoming increasingly shitty, urban decay, the homeless epidemic, exorbitant medical costs, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sarcasthma 11/06/17 10:00:40 PM #55:	Zangulus posted... I drive better when Im drunk. ~~In racing games.~~ My man! --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. <cite>Sarcasthma posted [p:889903276] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zangulus posted...</cite> <quote>I drive better when Im drunk. In racing games. </quote> My man!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmokeMassTree 11/06/17 10:38:33 PM #56:	Deal --- A.K. 2/14/10 T.C.P. Victorious Champion of the 1st Annual POTd Hunger Games and the POTd Battle Royale Season 3 <cite>SmokeMassTree posted [p:889905479] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote>Deal</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bugmeat 11/06/17 10:52:41 PM #57:	thecolorgreen posted... Thats a lot of people. No ty. Hell yeah. That many people dieing all at once would cause some pretty serious issues. --- John Mellencamp said it best "Life goes on long after the thrill of living is gone." <cite>Bugmeat posted [p:889906256] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>thecolorgreen posted...</cite> <quote>Thats a lot of people. No ty.</quote> Hell yeah. That many people dieing all at once would cause some pretty serious issues.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 11/07/17 11:22:49 PM #58:	Rasmoh posted... SomeUsername529 posted... I'm actually surprised. Usually sanity prevails in the votes even if the comments are absurd but this time it's pretty clear how little thought people actually give to the specifics of criminality. The stipulation of convicted felons is what makes it a go for most people. It's hardly insane to want to purge society of a huge black hole of resources that's rotting away increasingly large parts of the country. Revelation34 posted... You're going to have to prove your entire post now. I work for the Department of Justice in my state. Your typical felon runs around for a decade or so before finally ceasing to commit crimes. Then when they finally do stop, they end up being huge societal drains because they collect welfare for the rest of their lives, often because they've permanently fucked up their bodies in the course of their criminal careers and because the type of people who end up being felons tend to not do things like patiently work their way up the ladder at a job or pursue a useful education. It's been awhile since I read into some of the hard data, but something like one in 100 felons end up not actually being a net drain on society. Not to mention many felons run around ruining shit for innocent people and literally never do hard time because there's just literally not room in prisons for anything but the worst of the worst. Our unwillingness to actual get rid of criminals is one of the biggest underlying causes for many of the issues we face as a society. Overburdened social programs, lack of housing, public education becoming increasingly shitty, urban decay, the homeless epidemic, exorbitant medical costs, etc. That's not proof. That's anecdotal and I bet you're making it up anyway. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355 <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:889974407] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SomeUsername529 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm actually surprised. Usually sanity prevails in the votes even if the comments are absurd but this time it's pretty clear how little thought people actually give to the specifics of criminality.</quote> The stipulation of convicted felons is what makes it a go for most people. It's hardly insane to want to purge society of a huge black hole of resources that's rotting away increasingly large parts of the country. <cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>You're going to have to prove your entire post now.</quote> I work for the Department of Justice in my state. Your typical felon runs around for a decade or so before finally ceasing to commit crimes. Then when they finally do stop, they end up being huge societal drains because they collect welfare for the rest of their lives, often because they've permanently fucked up their bodies in the course of their criminal careers and because the type of people who end up being felons tend to not do things like patiently work their way up the ladder at a job or pursue a useful education. It's been awhile since I read into some of the hard data, but something like one in 100 felons end up not actually being a net drain on society. Not to mention many felons run around ruining shit for innocent people and literally never do hard time because there's just literally not room in prisons for anything but the worst of the worst. Our unwillingness to actual get rid of criminals is one of the biggest underlying causes for many of the issues we face as a society. Overburdened social programs, lack of housing, public education becoming increasingly shitty, urban decay, the homeless epidemic, exorbitant medical costs, etc.</quote> That's not proof. That's anecdotal and I bet you're making it up anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SomeUsername529 11/08/17 4:52:47 AM #59:	Rasmoh posted... SomeUsername529 posted... I'm actually surprised. Usually sanity prevails in the votes even if the comments are absurd but this time it's pretty clear how little thought people actually give to the specifics of criminality. The stipulation of convicted felons is what makes it a go for most people. It's hardly insane to want to purge society of a huge black hole of resources that's rotting away increasingly large parts of the country. I was going to add further context to my statement but when you come back with "black hole of resources rotting away at the country" I'm reminded how cartoonishly simplistic the typical GFAQs view of criminality and justice are. I guess I'm not so much surprised as continually disgusted. <cite>SomeUsername529 posted [p:889985889] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SomeUsername529 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm actually surprised. Usually sanity prevails in the votes even if the comments are absurd but this time it's pretty clear how little thought people actually give to the specifics of criminality.</quote> The stipulation of convicted felons is what makes it a go for most people. It's hardly insane to want to purge society of a huge black hole of resources that's rotting away increasingly large parts of the country. </quote> I was going to add further context to my statement but when you come back with "black hole of resources rotting away at the country" I'm reminded how cartoonishly simplistic the typical GFAQs view of criminality and justice are. I guess I'm not so much surprised as continually disgusted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 11/08/17 2:54:03 PM #60:	SomeUsername529 posted... I was going to add further context to my statement but when you come back with "black hole of resources rotting away at the country" I'm reminded how cartoonishly simplistic the typical GFAQs view of criminality and justice are. I guess I'm not so much surprised as continually disgusted. No need to be disgusted when the argument is invalid anyway. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355 <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:890010903] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>SomeUsername529 posted...</cite> <quote>I was going to add further context to my statement but when you come back with "black hole of resources rotting away at the country" I'm reminded how cartoonishly simplistic the typical GFAQs view of criminality and justice are. I guess I'm not so much surprised as continually disgusted.</quote> No need to be disgusted when the argument is invalid anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 11/08/17 5:45:24 PM #61:	SomeUsername529 posted... Rasmoh posted... SomeUsername529 posted... I'm actually surprised. Usually sanity prevails in the votes even if the comments are absurd but this time it's pretty clear how little thought people actually give to the specifics of criminality. The stipulation of convicted felons is what makes it a go for most people. It's hardly insane to want to purge society of a huge black hole of resources that's rotting away increasingly large parts of the country. I was going to add further context to my statement but when you come back with "black hole of resources rotting away at the country" I'm reminded how cartoonishly simplistic the typical GFAQs view of criminality and justice are. I guess I'm not so much surprised as continually disgusted. Not to mention no where in the title nor opening post is it specified "U.S. only" or the like, simply "every convicted felon". So these monsters are killing felons across the whole globe. Which would include definitely innocent prisoners of tyrannical regimes. So yeah, good showing by PotD, if anyone still had any doubts about this board being a cesspool. <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:890021451] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>SomeUsername529 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SomeUsername529 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm actually surprised. Usually sanity prevails in the votes even if the comments are absurd but this time it's pretty clear how little thought people actually give to the specifics of criminality.</quote> The stipulation of convicted felons is what makes it a go for most people. It's hardly insane to want to purge society of a huge black hole of resources that's rotting away increasingly large parts of the country. </quote> I was going to add further context to my statement but when you come back with "black hole of resources rotting away at the country" I'm reminded how cartoonishly simplistic the typical GFAQs view of criminality and justice are. I guess I'm not so much surprised as continually disgusted.</quote> Not to mention no where in the title nor opening post is it specified "U.S. only" or the like, simply "every convicted felon". So these monsters are killing felons across the whole globe. Which would include definitely innocent prisoners of tyrannical regimes. So yeah, good showing by PotD, if anyone still had any doubts about this board being a cesspool.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 11/09/17 4:01:50 AM #62:	Revelation34 posted... That's not proof. That's anecdotal and I bet you're making it up anyway. Direct experience with the justice system and access to actual data concerning criminal cases is pretty good. You'll probably say I'm making stuff up regardless, but here are a few fun examples of felons ruining shit in the past year or so: One guy finished his second prison stint after being convicted of his fifth felony. Served his time, immediately went back to gang activity, got busted during a drug deal, ran from the police and slammed his car into an innocent woman, killing her and getting himself caught. Now he gets free shelter, healthcare, food and education if he decides that his 3rd stint in prison and killing a woman was enough. Hell, everyone deserves a 4th chance, right? Oh, here's one that happened a few months ago: Homeless woman with 8 felony convictions lights a fire in an alley behind a home to keep warm. She loses control of the fire and ends up burning down the home. So an entire family loses their home and everything they own. Homeless women will likely do five years or less in prison, but I won't know the result for another six months or so because despite her confession to burning down the home, it will still take that long to actually prosecute her. Good thing we're being compassionate and taking care of her, we need more people like her around! This one happened today: Homeless guy with a 25+ year criminal record, 138 arrests, and six felony convictions was caught making pipe bombs in the parking lot of a local grocery store. He was fortunately caught before being able to detonate them somewhere where he could hurt people, but I get to sleep soundly tonight knowing that paragons of justice and morality are out there fighting to make sure that this man stays alive and well and will get the chance again to victimize innocent people! SomeUsername529 posted... I was going to add further context to my statement but when you come back with "black hole of resources rotting away at the country" I'm reminded how cartoonishly simplistic the typical GFAQs view of criminality and justice are. Ever stop and consider how blindly altruistic and dangerously tolerant your own views are? Why is it that there is essentially no point at which we decide enough is enough and actually remove these leeches from society? Why is the reward for theft, fraud, assault, child molestation, rape, and murder a lifetime of free shit funded by people who don't commit these crimes? When do law abiding citizens get reprieve from these criminals? It's exceedingly easy to not commit a felony, which is why most people can go a lifetime without doing so. We consider it foolhardy to the point of stupidity if someone gambles away every dime they have in hopes of winning the lottery, but it's somehow considered barbaric to apply the same logic to bad people. The whole system is doomed for collapse because the burden only gets bigger and bigger, because it's moronically considered better to dump resources into a bad person instead of ridding ourselves of them. It's the societal equivalent of a crazy cat lady taking in too many cats to the point of self ruin. There's no denying that some innocent people would get killed if some magical "kill all convicted felons" button were pressed, but currently innocent people get killed or have their lives ruined by felons constantly anyway. This solution would at least remedy a huge amount of the problems we face as a society today and offer actual relief from criminals perpetually victimizing the innocent. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:890048525] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>That's not proof. That's anecdotal and I bet you're making it up anyway.</quote> Direct experience with the justice system and access to actual data concerning criminal cases is pretty good. You'll probably say I'm making stuff up regardless, but here are a few fun examples of felons ruining shit in the past year or so: One guy finished his second prison stint after being convicted of his fifth felony. Served his time, immediately went back to gang activity, got busted during a drug deal, ran from the police and slammed his car into an innocent woman, killing her and getting himself caught. Now he gets free shelter, healthcare, food and education if he decides that his 3rd stint in prison and killing a woman was enough. Hell, everyone deserves a 4th chance, right? Oh, here's one that happened a few months ago: Homeless woman with 8 felony convictions lights a fire in an alley behind a home to keep warm. She loses control of the fire and ends up burning down the home. So an entire family loses their home and everything they own. Homeless women will likely do five years or less in prison, but I won't know the result for another six months or so because despite her confession to burning down the home, it will still take that long to actually prosecute her. Good thing we're being compassionate and taking care of her, we need more people like her around! This one happened today: Homeless guy with a 25+ year criminal record, 138 arrests, and six felony convictions was caught making pipe bombs in the parking lot of a local grocery store. He was fortunately caught before being able to detonate them somewhere where he could hurt people, but I get to sleep soundly tonight knowing that paragons of justice and morality are out there fighting to make sure that this man stays alive and well and will get the chance again to victimize innocent people! <cite>SomeUsername529 posted...</cite> <quote>I was going to add further context to my statement but when you come back with "black hole of resources rotting away at the country" I'm reminded how cartoonishly simplistic the typical GFAQs view of criminality and justice are.</quote> Ever stop and consider how blindly altruistic and dangerously tolerant your own views are? Why is it that there is essentially no point at which we decide enough is enough and actually remove these leeches from society? Why is the reward for theft, fraud, assault, child molestation, rape, and murder a lifetime of free shit funded by people who don't commit these crimes? When do law abiding citizens get reprieve from these criminals? It's exceedingly easy to not commit a felony, which is why most people can go a lifetime without doing so. We consider it foolhardy to the point of stupidity if someone gambles away every dime they have in hopes of winning the lottery, but it's somehow considered barbaric to apply the same logic to bad people. The whole system is doomed for collapse because the burden only gets bigger and bigger, because it's moronically considered better to dump resources into a bad person instead of ridding ourselves of them. It's the societal equivalent of a crazy cat lady taking in too many cats to the point of self ruin. There's no denying that some innocent people would get killed if some magical "kill all convicted felons" button were pressed, but currently innocent people get killed or have their lives ruined by felons constantly anyway. This solution would at least remedy a huge amount of the problems we face as a society today and offer actual relief from criminals perpetually victimizing the innocent.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SomeUsername529 11/09/17 4:37:00 AM #63:	Rasmoh posted... SomeUsername529 posted... I was going to add further context to my statement but when you come back with "black hole of resources rotting away at the country" I'm reminded how cartoonishly simplistic the typical GFAQs view of criminality and justice are. Ever stop and consider how blindly altruistic and dangerously tolerant your own views are? Why is it that there is essentially no point at which we decide enough is enough and actually remove these leeches from society? Why is the reward for theft, fraud, assault, child molestation, rape, and murder a lifetime of free shit funded by people who don't commit these crimes? When do law abiding citizens get reprieve from these criminals? It's exceedingly easy to not commit a felony, which is why most people can go a lifetime without doing so. We consider it foolhardy to the point of stupidity if someone gambles away every dime they have in hopes of winning the lottery, but it's somehow considered barbaric to apply the same logic to bad people. The whole system is doomed for collapse because the burden only gets bigger and bigger, because it's moronically considered better to dump resources into a bad person instead of ridding ourselves of them. It's the societal equivalent of a crazy cat lady taking in too many cats to the point of self ruin. There's no denying that some innocent people would get killed if some magical "kill all convicted felons" button were pressed, but currently innocent people get killed or have their lives ruined by felons constantly anyway. This solution would at least remedy a huge amount of the problems we face as a society today and offer actual relief from criminals perpetually victimizing the innocent. I'm not even going to read your massive rant. You don't even know what my views are other than "not interested in blanket death penalty for every person ever convicted of a felony". Being asked "Should millions of people be sentenced to immediate death" and responding with "well that's not a complicated question" is something a child, an idiot, or a psychopath would say. <cite>SomeUsername529 posted [p:890049180] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SomeUsername529 posted...</cite> <quote>I was going to add further context to my statement but when you come back with "black hole of resources rotting away at the country" I'm reminded how cartoonishly simplistic the typical GFAQs view of criminality and justice are.</quote> Ever stop and consider how blindly altruistic and dangerously tolerant your own views are? Why is it that there is essentially no point at which we decide enough is enough and actually remove these leeches from society? Why is the reward for theft, fraud, assault, child molestation, rape, and murder a lifetime of free shit funded by people who don't commit these crimes? When do law abiding citizens get reprieve from these criminals? It's exceedingly easy to not commit a felony, which is why most people can go a lifetime without doing so. We consider it foolhardy to the point of stupidity if someone gambles away every dime they have in hopes of winning the lottery, but it's somehow considered barbaric to apply the same logic to bad people. The whole system is doomed for collapse because the burden only gets bigger and bigger, because it's moronically considered better to dump resources into a bad person instead of ridding ourselves of them. It's the societal equivalent of a crazy cat lady taking in too many cats to the point of self ruin. There's no denying that some innocent people would get killed if some magical "kill all convicted felons" button were pressed, but currently innocent people get killed or have their lives ruined by felons constantly anyway. This solution would at least remedy a huge amount of the problems we face as a society today and offer actual relief from criminals perpetually victimizing the innocent.</quote> I'm not even going to read your massive rant. You don't even know what my views are other than "not interested in blanket death penalty for every person ever convicted of a felony". Being asked "Should millions of people be sentenced to immediate death" and responding with "well that's not a complicated question" is something a child, an idiot, or a psychopath would say.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 11/09/17 9:47:52 AM #64:	Rasmoh posted... Direct experience with the justice system and access to actual data concerning criminal cases is pretty good. You'll probably say I'm making stuff up regardless, but here are a few fun examples of felons ruining shit in the past year or so: One guy finished his second prison stint after being convicted of his fifth felony. Served his time, immediately went back to gang activity, got busted during a drug deal, ran from the police and slammed his car into an innocent woman, killing her and getting himself caught. Now he gets free shelter, healthcare, food and education if he decides that his 3rd stint in prison and killing a woman was enough. Hell, everyone deserves a 4th chance, right? Oh, here's one that happened a few months ago: Homeless woman with 8 felony convictions lights a fire in an alley behind a home to keep warm. She loses control of the fire and ends up burning down the home. So an entire family loses their home and everything they own. Homeless women will likely do five years or less in prison, but I won't know the result for another six months or so because despite her confession to burning down the home, it will still take that long to actually prosecute her. Good thing we're being compassionate and taking care of her, we need more people like her around! This one happened today: Homeless guy with a 25+ year criminal record, 138 arrests, and six felony convictions was caught making pipe bombs in the parking lot of a local grocery store. He was fortunately caught before being able to detonate them somewhere where he could hurt people, but I get to sleep soundly tonight knowing that paragons of justice and morality are out there fighting to make sure that this man stays alive and well and will get the chance again to victimize innocent people! Burden of proof is on your to prove any of these actually happened. Also 3 examples isn't a majority. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355 <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:890057514] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote> Direct experience with the justice system and access to actual data concerning criminal cases is pretty good. You'll probably say I'm making stuff up regardless, but here are a few fun examples of felons ruining shit in the past year or so: One guy finished his second prison stint after being convicted of his fifth felony. Served his time, immediately went back to gang activity, got busted during a drug deal, ran from the police and slammed his car into an innocent woman, killing her and getting himself caught. Now he gets free shelter, healthcare, food and education if he decides that his 3rd stint in prison and killing a woman was enough. Hell, everyone deserves a 4th chance, right? Oh, here's one that happened a few months ago: Homeless woman with 8 felony convictions lights a fire in an alley behind a home to keep warm. She loses control of the fire and ends up burning down the home. So an entire family loses their home and everything they own. Homeless women will likely do five years or less in prison, but I won't know the result for another six months or so because despite her confession to burning down the home, it will still take that long to actually prosecute her. Good thing we're being compassionate and taking care of her, we need more people like her around! This one happened today: Homeless guy with a 25+ year criminal record, 138 arrests, and six felony convictions was caught making pipe bombs in the parking lot of a local grocery store. He was fortunately caught before being able to detonate them somewhere where he could hurt people, but I get to sleep soundly tonight knowing that paragons of justice and morality are out there fighting to make sure that this man stays alive and well and will get the chance again to victimize innocent people!</quote> Burden of proof is on your to prove any of these actually happened. Also 3 examples isn't a majority.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KStateKing17 11/09/17 10:08:53 AM #65:	I hope the ones voting yes haven't downloaded any music illegally. Never mind, it says convicted felon. Still no. --- I've lost the use of my heart, but I'm still alive. <cite>KStateKing17 posted [p:890058504] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote>I hope the ones voting yes haven't downloaded any music illegally. Never mind, it says convicted felon. Still no.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Super_Thug44 11/09/17 10:37:17 AM #66:	lol potd never ceases to amaze me with how selfish they are. literally murdering millions of people to make a cheap million that they'll blow through in a matter of a few years (or less). --- http://i.imgur.com/2Q46wvY.png I made Erik_P admit he's wrong on 5/28/16. <cite>Super_Thug44 posted [p:890059870] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote>lol potd never ceases to amaze me with how selfish they are. literally murdering millions of people to make a cheap million that they'll blow through in a matter of a few years (or less).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 11/09/17 10:57:54 AM #67:	Super_Thug44 posted... lol potd never ceases to amaze me with how selfish they are. literally murdering millions of people to make a cheap million that they'll blow through in a matter of a few years (or less). I didn't vote, and wouldn't say yes unless I knew for a fact all where guilty of violent crimes, but I think I could live a fairly long time off a million dollars. i'm very fine with just maintaining the lifestyle i'm used to. only expensive things i'd buy is a car and a house/land. and even then on the house and land I wouldn't go overboard. just something to where I know i'll always have a place. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:890060959] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>Super_Thug44 posted...</cite> <quote>lol potd never ceases to amaze me with how selfish they are. literally murdering millions of people to make a cheap million that they'll blow through in a matter of a few years (or less).</quote> I didn't vote, and wouldn't say yes unless I knew for a fact all where guilty of violent crimes, but I think I could live a fairly long time off a million dollars. i'm very fine with just maintaining the lifestyle i'm used to. only expensive things i'd buy is a car and a house/land. and even then on the house and land I wouldn't go overboard. just something to where I know i'll always have a place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aquamew 11/09/17 12:25:09 PM #68:	As much as I don't believe in putting that kind of power in the hands of a single person... with America's health care system, and the way it's constantly in danger of going, my family might really need that million dollars. <cite>Aquamew posted [p:890065547] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote>As much as I don't believe in putting that kind of power in the hands of a single person... with America's health care system, and the way it's constantly in danger of going, my family might really need that million dollars.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Locke90 11/09/17 2:48:04 PM #69:	DistantMemory posted... These people saying yes deserve to die themselves. why? if it gets rid of rapists sex traffickers people smugglers drug dealers pedophiles murderers etc. im all for it besides innocent people die everyday for any number of reasons. --- Friend code 3222-6836-6888 <cite>Locke90 posted [p:890073930] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>DistantMemory posted...</cite> <quote>These people saying yes deserve to die themselves.</quote> why? if it gets rid of rapists sex traffickers people smugglers drug dealers pedophiles murderers etc. im all for it besides innocent people die everyday for any number of reasons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 11/09/17 3:30:14 PM #70:	SomeUsername529 posted... Being asked "Should millions of people be sentenced to immediate death" and responding with "well that's not a complicated question" is something a child, an idiot, or a psychopath would say. Or it could just be the answer of someone who knows the ins and outs of our justice system and is given direct info about how our current system lets criminals victimize the innocent because the feel good story about one felon out of 100,000 who ends up not being as much of a drain on society as the rest makes delusional people feel warm and fuzzy inside. The best part is that it's only going to get worse because keeping murderers alive for 30 years means that a new prison cell won't open for 30 years. This compounds more and more and results in violent criminals being released from prison constantly. I genuinely hope everyone advocating for the rights of criminals has one of these people victimize them or someone close to them, maybe they might stop fervently fighting for the rights of murderers and rapists then. Revelation34 posted... Burden of proof is on your to prove any of these actually happened. Also 3 examples isn't a majority. http://www.mailtribune.com/news/20160808/white-city-woman-died-in-crash-caused-by-man-fleeing-police http://www.kdrv.com/content/news/Man-Arrested-for-Detonating-Pipe-Bomb-Behind-Fred-Meyers-456250543.html Can't find any news articles on the arson one, unfortunately. And I'm not sure what you want. The data is all provided to me in reports at work, I'm not exactly free to bring them home and post them for you to see. Even if I did somehow do that, would it change your mind even slightly? Locke90 posted... why? if it gets rid of rapists sex traffickers people smugglers drug dealers pedophiles murderers etc. im all for it besides innocent people die everyday for any number of reasons. B-b-but think of the one in 100,000 felons who end up not being an utter drain on society! --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:890076508] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>SomeUsername529 posted...</cite> <quote>Being asked "Should millions of people be sentenced to immediate death" and responding with "well that's not a complicated question" is something a child, an idiot, or a psychopath would say.</quote> Or it could just be the answer of someone who knows the ins and outs of our justice system and is given direct info about how our current system lets criminals victimize the innocent because the feel good story about one felon out of 100,000 who ends up not being as much of a drain on society as the rest makes delusional people feel warm and fuzzy inside. The best part is that it's only going to get worse because keeping murderers alive for 30 years means that a new prison cell won't open for 30 years. This compounds more and more and results in violent criminals being released from prison constantly. I genuinely hope everyone advocating for the rights of criminals has one of these people victimize them or someone close to them, maybe they might stop fervently fighting for the rights of murderers and rapists then. <cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>Burden of proof is on your to prove any of these actually happened. Also 3 examples isn't a majority.</quote> http://www.mailtribune.com/news/20160808/white-city-woman-died-in-crash-caused-by-man-fleeing-police http://www.kdrv.com/content/news/Man-Arrested-for-Detonating-Pipe-Bomb-Behind-Fred-Meyers-456250543.html Can't find any news articles on the arson one, unfortunately. And I'm not sure what you want. The data is all provided to me in reports at work, I'm not exactly free to bring them home and post them for you to see. Even if I did somehow do that, would it change your mind even slightly? <cite>Locke90 posted...</cite> <quote>why? if it gets rid of rapists sex traffickers people smugglers drug dealers pedophiles murderers etc. im all for it besides innocent people die everyday for any number of reasons.</quote> B-b-but think of the one in 100,000 felons who end up not being an utter drain on society!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Super_Thug44 11/09/17 9:07:06 PM #71:	Rasmoh posted... I genuinely hope everyone advocating for the rights of criminals has one of these people victimize them or someone close to them, maybe they might stop fervently fighting for the rights of murderers and rapists then. Yeah you're literally a psychopath. Who seriously wishes for bad things to happen to people when they have a different opinion from them? You need help man. --- http://i.imgur.com/2Q46wvY.png I made Erik_P admit he's wrong on 5/28/16. <cite>Super_Thug44 posted [p:890096455] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>I genuinely hope everyone advocating for the rights of criminals has one of these people victimize them or someone close to them, maybe they might stop fervently fighting for the rights of murderers and rapists then.</quote> Yeah you're literally a psychopath. Who seriously wishes for bad things to happen to people when they have a different opinion from them? You need help man.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 11/09/17 11:25:27 PM #72:	Rasmoh posted... And I'm not sure what you want. The data is all provided to me in reports at work, I'm not exactly free to bring them home and post them for you to see. Even if I did somehow do that, would it change your mind even slightly? No that just means the data doesn't actually exist. Since you don't actually work for what you claim to work for anyway. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355 <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:890104672] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>And I'm not sure what you want. The data is all provided to me in reports at work, I'm not exactly free to bring them home and post them for you to see. Even if I did somehow do that, would it change your mind even slightly?</quote> No that just means the data doesn't actually exist. Since you don't actually work for what you claim to work for anyway.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Conner4REAL 11/09/17 11:28:24 PM #73:	Do I get to kill them myself? Or do I just take the mill? How about 500k and I get to kill them myself- immunity of course it is a govt sponsored execution. Can I get creative and recreate movie scenes go all hostle or human centipede on them or does it have to be "humane". --- "dai-No-MITE" - Donald trump. <cite>Conner4REAL posted [p:890104829] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote>Do I get to kill them myself? Or do I just take the mill? How about 500k and I get to kill them myself- immunity of course it is a govt sponsored execution. Can I get creative and recreate movie scenes go all hostle or human centipede on them or does it have to be "humane".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Conner4REAL 11/09/17 11:32:58 PM #74:	Super_Thug44 posted... Rasmoh posted... I genuinely hope everyone advocating for the rights of criminals has one of these people victimize them or someone close to them, maybe they might stop fervently fighting for the rights of murderers and rapists then. Yeah you're literally a psychopath. Who seriously wishes for bad things to happen to people when they have a different opinion from them? You need help man. That's actually not the clinical definition of psychopath. My tounge in cheek dark comedy responce was a LOT closer to a violent sociopath over the edge (that was the point) than this dude --- "dai-No-MITE" - Donald trump. <cite>Conner4REAL posted [p:890105077] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>Super_Thug44 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>I genuinely hope everyone advocating for the rights of criminals has one of these people victimize them or someone close to them, maybe they might stop fervently fighting for the rights of murderers and rapists then.</quote> Yeah you're literally a psychopath. Who seriously wishes for bad things to happen to people when they have a different opinion from them? You need help man.</quote> That's actually not the clinical definition of psychopath. My tounge in cheek dark comedy responce was a LOT closer to a violent sociopath over the edge (that was the point) than this dude</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 11/09/17 11:53:41 PM #75:	Wow, the vote margin was close for the first several days, and ever since the MYRIAD of reasons killing off every felon in the world whether they've served their sentences or not or are even actually guilty or not is plainly evil...it's turned into a blowout in favor of "yes." O_O <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:890106178] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote>Wow, the vote margin was close for the first several days, and ever since the MYRIAD of reasons killing off every felon in the world whether they've served their sentences or not or are even actually guilty or not is plainly evil...it's turned into a blowout in favor of "yes." O_O</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 11/10/17 12:06:03 AM #76:	Revelation34 posted... No that just means the data doesn't actually exist. Since you don't actually work for what you claim to work for anyway. I do, but of course I can't provide you proof, because I'm not dumb enough to post a picture of my badge on the internet. streamofthesky posted... it's turned into a blowout in favor of "yes." Maybe people realize we'd be better off as a society by getting rid of murderers, rapists, child predators, thieves, burglars, batterers, and just all around general lowlifes. Guess some of us just like living in safe neighborhoods and are tired of paying for the great opportunity to make sure criminals stick around to wreck society further for normal people. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:890106803] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>No that just means the data doesn't actually exist. Since you don't actually work for what you claim to work for anyway.</quote> I do, but of course I can't provide you proof, because I'm not dumb enough to post a picture of my badge on the internet. <cite>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote>it's turned into a blowout in favor of "yes."</quote> Maybe people realize we'd be better off as a society by getting rid of murderers, rapists, child predators, thieves, burglars, batterers, and just all around general lowlifes. Guess some of us just like living in safe neighborhoods and are tired of paying for the great opportunity to make sure criminals stick around to wreck society further for normal people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 11/10/17 10:27:58 AM #77:	Rasmoh posted... do, but of course I can't provide you proof, because I'm not dumb enough to post a picture of my badge on the internet. In other words you make bullshit up and can't back it up because of "reasons". That's the typical argument of somebody who's making something up. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355 <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:890124228] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote> do, but of course I can't provide you proof, because I'm not dumb enough to post a picture of my badge on the internet. </quote> In other words you make bullshit up and can't back it up because of "reasons". That's the typical argument of somebody who's making something up.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HagenEx 11/10/17 11:36:32 AM #78:	Hell yes. --- The side of the fence that we climb determines who's afraid <cite>HagenEx posted [p:890127458] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote>Hell yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 11/10/17 12:01:05 PM #79:	Revelation34 posted... In other words you make bullshit up and can't back it up because of "reasons". That's the typical argument of somebody who's making something up. Whatever you say. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:890128642] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>In other words you make bullshit up and can't back it up because of "reasons". That's the typical argument of somebody who's making something up.</quote> Whatever you say.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/10/17 5:03:36 PM #80:	Wow. I'm surprised. Been reading since morning, but couldn't post while at work. I am shocked by How many yes votes there are. I wouldn't personally, though. First off, I believe more than 1 in 100 felons are ok or can reform. I was recently talking to my mom about it. My mom has been a cop ever since I was born. And I trust her way more than you. I mean, like others said, minor crimes committed multiple times can become a felony. Urinating outside can become a felony. Not only that, but you don't know the whole story behind some of the things that happen. Sometimes, things happen. I have a family member very close to me who got charged with a felony. He went to jail, now they are out. And they are back in society. They were never a bad person. Something terrible happened. They called the police, did their time, got out, and back to society. I could care less what anyone says, but they were never bad. But also, you would want to kill all felons? Because while most of them did something bad and most deserve to be in prison, not all of them deserve to die. Not only that, but you'll kill all the innocent, all the multiple minor crimes, all the drunks and other who got caught peeing outside, and all the reformed people, because they did something slightly bad. And you can say that it's a small percent of you still want to. Though I would say they make up at least 10%. But for all the felons in the world, that's still a lot of people that could die, when they don't deserve Robby a long shot. Also, the reason some felons have a hard time reforming isn't because they don't try. It's because they have a record as a felon. Having a record for any reason can hurt when trying to get a job. My step-dad called the police on my mom and lied about something to police in another county(who hated the police force my mom worked for) to get her arrested. She wasn't arrested, but it's still on her record. The other police never even asked normal questions like if they were going through a divorce. But if you want to kill all the convicted people who probably don't deserve to die to get rid of some of the really bad ones, go ahead. Won't really do that much. I mean, the "good criminals" might not ever get caught. Not like it will eliminate crime. I don't really see many place becoming that much safer. But, whatever. --- 3DS Friend Code: 4742 6214 5315 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. 0001 3388 9537, also. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:890145451] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote>Wow. I'm surprised. Been reading since morning, but couldn't post while at work. I am shocked by How many yes votes there are. I wouldn't personally, though. First off, I believe more than 1 in 100 felons are ok or can reform. I was recently talking to my mom about it. My mom has been a cop ever since I was born. And I trust her way more than you. I mean, like others said, minor crimes committed multiple times can become a felony. Urinating outside can become a felony. Not only that, but you don't know the whole story behind some of the things that happen. Sometimes, things happen. I have a family member very close to me who got charged with a felony. He went to jail, now they are out. And they are back in society. They were never a bad person. Something terrible happened. They called the police, did their time, got out, and back to society. I could care less what anyone says, but they were never bad. But also, you would want to kill all felons? Because while most of them did something bad and most deserve to be in prison, not all of them deserve to die. Not only that, but you'll kill all the innocent, all the multiple minor crimes, all the drunks and other who got caught peeing outside, and all the reformed people, because they did something slightly bad. And you can say that it's a small percent of you still want to. Though I would say they make up at least 10%. But for all the felons in the world, that's still a lot of people that could die, when they don't deserve Robby a long shot. Also, the reason some felons have a hard time reforming isn't because they don't try. It's because they have a record as a felon. Having a record for any reason can hurt when trying to get a job. My step-dad called the police on my mom and lied about something to police in another county(who hated the police force my mom worked for) to get her arrested. She wasn't arrested, but it's still on her record. The other police never even asked normal questions like if they were going through a divorce. But if you want to kill all the convicted people who probably don't deserve to die to get rid of some of the really bad ones, go ahead. Won't really do that much. I mean, the "good criminals" might not ever get caught. Not like it will eliminate crime. I don't really see many place becoming that much safer. But, whatever.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SomeUsername529 11/10/17 11:25:49 PM #81:	Rasmoh posted... SomeUsername529 posted... Being asked "Should millions of people be sentenced to immediate death" and responding with "well that's not a complicated question" is something a child, an idiot, or a psychopath would say. Or it could just be the answer of someone who knows the ins and outs of our justice system and is given direct info about how our current system lets criminals victimize the innocent because the feel good story about one felon out of 100,000 who ends up not being as much of a drain on society as the rest makes delusional people feel warm and fuzzy inside. The best part is that it's only going to get worse because keeping murderers alive for 30 years means that a new prison cell won't open for 30 years. This compounds more and more and results in violent criminals being released from prison constantly. I genuinely hope everyone advocating for the rights of criminals has one of these people victimize them or someone close to them, maybe they might stop fervently fighting for the rights of murderers and rapists then. Revelation34 posted... Burden of proof is on your to prove any of these actually happened. Also 3 examples isn't a majority. http://www.mailtribune.com/news/20160808/white-city-woman-died-in-crash-caused-by-man-fleeing-police http://www.kdrv.com/content/news/Man-Arrested-for-Detonating-Pipe-Bomb-Behind-Fred-Meyers-456250543.html Can't find any news articles on the arson one, unfortunately. And I'm not sure what you want. The data is all provided to me in reports at work, I'm not exactly free to bring them home and post them for you to see. Even if I did somehow do that, would it change your mind even slightly? Locke90 posted... why? if it gets rid of rapists sex traffickers people smugglers drug dealers pedophiles murderers etc. im all for it besides innocent people die everyday for any number of reasons. B-b-but think of the one in 100,000 felons who end up not being an utter drain on society! You're a broken human and an angry child to boot. <cite>SomeUsername529 posted [p:890163621] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SomeUsername529 posted...</cite> <quote>Being asked "Should millions of people be sentenced to immediate death" and responding with "well that's not a complicated question" is something a child, an idiot, or a psychopath would say.</quote> Or it could just be the answer of someone who knows the ins and outs of our justice system and is given direct info about how our current system lets criminals victimize the innocent because the feel good story about one felon out of 100,000 who ends up not being as much of a drain on society as the rest makes delusional people feel warm and fuzzy inside. The best part is that it's only going to get worse because keeping murderers alive for 30 years means that a new prison cell won't open for 30 years. This compounds more and more and results in violent criminals being released from prison constantly. I genuinely hope everyone advocating for the rights of criminals has one of these people victimize them or someone close to them, maybe they might stop fervently fighting for the rights of murderers and rapists then. <cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>Burden of proof is on your to prove any of these actually happened. Also 3 examples isn't a majority.</quote> http://www.mailtribune.com/news/20160808/white-city-woman-died-in-crash-caused-by-man-fleeing-police http://www.kdrv.com/content/news/Man-Arrested-for-Detonating-Pipe-Bomb-Behind-Fred-Meyers-456250543.html Can't find any news articles on the arson one, unfortunately. And I'm not sure what you want. The data is all provided to me in reports at work, I'm not exactly free to bring them home and post them for you to see. Even if I did somehow do that, would it change your mind even slightly? <cite>Locke90 posted...</cite> <quote>why? if it gets rid of rapists sex traffickers people smugglers drug dealers pedophiles murderers etc. im all for it besides innocent people die everyday for any number of reasons.</quote> B-b-but think of the one in 100,000 felons who end up not being an utter drain on society!</quote> You're a broken human and an angry child to boot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
anondum 11/11/17 1:55:20 AM #82:	the high rates of recidivism is more indicative of how horrible our prisons are than the people committing crimes. private for profit prisons are literal felon factories where people go in a petty thief and leave a murderer because that's what earns prison companies more money. it's further complicated by giving every felon a label and good luck getting a job after you have that which leads to guess what? more crime! it's like the US's approach to handling crime is completely stupid and why we have more people in prison than anywhere else <cite>anondum posted [p:890169675] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote>the high rates of recidivism is more indicative of how horrible our prisons are than the people committing crimes. private for profit prisons are literal felon factories where people go in a petty thief and leave a murderer because that's what earns prison companies more money. it's further complicated by giving every felon a label and good luck getting a job after you have that which leads to guess what? more crime! it's like the US's approach to handling crime is completely stupid and why we have more people in prison than anywhere else</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 11/11/17 2:35:12 AM #83:	anondum posted... where people go in a petty thief I can't speak for other states, but here in Oregon theft alone will almost never land you in prison and if it does it's never for more than 3 years and to even get to that point requires crossing a tremendous threshold. It typically requires either running an identity theft racket or somehow managing to steal in excess of 50 grand. In my two years with the court system and DOJ here, I've only seen one person actually receive a prison sentence for actual theft and he stole well over 100 grand worth of stuff from a wealthy couple who left the country on vacation. anondum posted... it's further complicated by giving every felon a label and good luck getting a job after you have that which leads to guess what? more crime! Again, I can't speak for other states, but the felon label exists for mostly good reasons. Most felony crimes here in Oregon display traits that would be bad for just about every business under the sun. I am curious to see what other people would suggest though. And any information on bogus felony charges in other states would be interesting too, I'd love to see what other states have that bogs down the system. I will say though that our criminalization of drugs is a horrible idea and really needs to go. I can't recall ever seeing anyone go to prison for simple possession, but I don't think it should be a crime at all. We'd save hundreds of millions of dollars if we legalized, regulated, and taxed drugs. Not only because people wouldn't be receiving moronic criminal charges, but the market for dealing would pretty much vanish due to illegal competition not being viable. The government really doesn't need to be telling adults what they legally can and can't put in their own body. anondum posted... it's like the US's approach to handling crime is completely stupid and why we have more people in prison than anywhere else Our approach would be fine if we had a point at which we said "Enough is enough" and decided to remove the criminals from our society. I personally like the thought of an American version of Australia, essentially an island we'd colonize to exile heinous and/or repeat offenders to. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:890170929] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>anondum posted...</cite> <quote>where people go in a petty thief</quote> I can't speak for other states, but here in Oregon theft alone will almost never land you in prison and if it does it's never for more than 3 years and to even get to that point requires crossing a tremendous threshold. It typically requires either running an identity theft racket or somehow managing to steal in excess of 50 grand. In my two years with the court system and DOJ here, I've only seen one person actually receive a prison sentence for actual theft and he stole well over 100 grand worth of stuff from a wealthy couple who left the country on vacation. <cite>anondum posted...</cite> <quote>it's further complicated by giving every felon a label and good luck getting a job after you have that which leads to guess what? more crime!</quote> Again, I can't speak for other states, but the felon label exists for mostly good reasons. Most felony crimes here in Oregon display traits that would be bad for just about every business under the sun. I am curious to see what other people would suggest though. And any information on bogus felony charges in other states would be interesting too, I'd love to see what other states have that bogs down the system. I will say though that our criminalization of drugs is a horrible idea and really needs to go. I can't recall ever seeing anyone go to prison for simple possession, but I don't think it should be a crime at all. We'd save hundreds of millions of dollars if we legalized, regulated, and taxed drugs. Not only because people wouldn't be receiving moronic criminal charges, but the market for dealing would pretty much vanish due to illegal competition not being viable. The government really doesn't need to be telling adults what they legally can and can't put in their own body. <cite>anondum posted...</cite> <quote>it's like the US's approach to handling crime is completely stupid and why we have more people in prison than anywhere else</quote> Our approach would be fine if we had a point at which we said "Enough is enough" and decided to remove the criminals from our society. I personally like the thought of an American version of Australia, essentially an island we'd colonize to exile heinous and/or repeat offenders to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/11/17 1:25:42 PM #84:	Rasmoh posted... Again, I can't speak for other states, but the felon label exists for mostly good reasons. Most felony crimes here in Oregon display traits that would be bad for just about every business under the sun. I am curious to see what other people would suggest though. And any information on bogus felony charges in other states would be interesting too, I'd love to see what other states have that bogs down the system. Except, usually, the ones who are trying to reform can't because of them not being able to get a job. It's a vicious circle. You yourself said that lots of released criminals don't reform and go back to a life of crime. And why? Because they can't get a job. And why can't they get a job? Because they are felons. And you are saying felons shouldn't be able to get a job. If they were allowed jobs, there would probably be more "reformed" felons. Rasmoh posted... Our approach would be fine if we had a point at which we said "Enough is enough" and decided to remove the criminals from our society. I personally like the thought of an American version of Australia, essentially an island we'd colonize to exile heinous and/or repeat offenders to. I think this statement is why people might associate things you say with being a sociopath. That, and not caring that most of the people dying probably don't deserve death. --- 3DS Friend Code: 4742 6214 5315 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. 0001 3388 9537, also. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:890189322] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>Again, I can't speak for other states, but the felon label exists for mostly good reasons. Most felony crimes here in Oregon display traits that would be bad for just about every business under the sun. I am curious to see what other people would suggest though. And any information on bogus felony charges in other states would be interesting too, I'd love to see what other states have that bogs down the system.</quote> Except, usually, the ones who are trying to reform can't because of them not being able to get a job. It's a vicious circle. You yourself said that lots of released criminals don't reform and go back to a life of crime. And why? Because they can't get a job. And why can't they get a job? Because they are felons. And you are saying felons shouldn't be able to get a job. If they were allowed jobs, there would probably be more "reformed" felons. <cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>Our approach would be fine if we had a point at which we said "Enough is enough" and decided to remove the criminals from our society. I personally like the thought of an American version of Australia, essentially an island we'd colonize to exile heinous and/or repeat offenders to.</quote> I think this statement is why people might associate things you say with being a sociopath. That, and not caring that most of the people dying probably don't deserve death.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rockies 11/11/17 1:45:30 PM #85:	Wow PotD has some disgusting human beings <cite>Rockies posted [p:890190314] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote>Wow PotD has some disgusting human beings</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 11/11/17 1:48:47 PM #86:	Actually ifyou think about it, that might wipe out all of humanity. Who has not broken at least one law at some point, even if accidently. Never jay walked in your entire life? What about sold something and not paid taxes for it? There are so many laws, even most children old enough to take care of themselves have broken at least one. Which would leave only babies, who would die without someone to take care of them. So your million (if you did't die as well, and considering you have almost certainly commited a crime at some point, you would), would't be usable since nobody would be left. --- Proud member of the Arv The Great is great fan club!!! Join today by putting it in your sig. <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:890190486] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote>Actually ifyou think about it, that might wipe out all of humanity. Who has not broken at least one law at some point, even if accidently. Never jay walked in your entire life? What about sold something and not paid taxes for it? There are so many laws, even most children old enough to take care of themselves have broken at least one. Which would leave only babies, who would die without someone to take care of them. So your million (if you did't die as well, and considering you have almost certainly commited a crime at some point, you would), would't be usable since nobody would be left.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FatalAccident 11/11/17 1:50:34 PM #87:	ppl akkin like a millun dollaz lotta money --- walks away <cite>FatalAccident posted [p:890190571] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote>ppl akkin like a millun dollaz lotta money</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JOExHIGASHI 11/11/17 1:53:36 PM #88:	I'd do it even if I didn't get money --- Puzzle and Dragons: 338 705 421 <cite>JOExHIGASHI posted [p:890190706] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote>I'd do it even if I didn't get money</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 11/11/17 1:55:23 PM #89:	A mill is alot of money honestly, even in America, but especially elsewhere. Seriously you can live your whole life off a mill easy. Just investing it for a fairly safe 5% yield would net you 50k a year in interest, and there are much better ways to invest that money. A mill free in clear is enough to live a very nice life without ever working. --- Proud member of the Arv The Great is great fan club!!! Join today by putting it in your sig. <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:890190809] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote>A mill is alot of money honestly, even in America, but especially elsewhere. Seriously you can live your whole life off a mill easy. Just investing it for a fairly safe 5% yield would net you 50k a year in interest, and there are much better ways to invest that money. A mill free in clear is enough to live a very nice life without ever working.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 11/11/17 3:05:24 PM #90:	LinkPizza posted... If they were allowed jobs, there would probably be more "reformed" felons. But they are allowed to get jobs. The problem is that they have shown that they distinctly display traits that are not typically conducive to running a successful business, to the great detriment of those around them. Shouldn't an employer have the right to know that they're hiring someone who might steal from them, attack someone, sexually harass, or assault someone? I agree that it's a vicious cycle, but it's not really difficult at all to simply not enter that cycle. A reform of some of our laws would do wonders though, namely drug possession laws. The biggest issue is that crime tends to be the "easy way out" so to speak. It's faster to try to steal a car and sell it than it is to go to work 40 hours per week and work your way up the ladder, particularly when even stealing a car is unlikely to land you in prison(in Oregon at least). The mindset of justifying the comparatively low risk to high reward is always going to exist, especially when the risk is mitigated further by the fact that you essentially get unlimited chances in our society. I think this statement is why people might associate things you say with being a sociopath. That, and not caring that most of the people dying probably don't deserve death. Why is that though? Why is it wrong to draw a line and tell people they're cut off if they cross it? Why do people who obey the law, work hard, and contribute to society deserve to be at the mercy of criminals who day-in and day-out show they give no shits about ruining the lives of others? The consequence doesn't have to be death, there just needs to be an actual consequence to remove the criminal element from our society. As it stands, prison acts primarily as victims temporarily getting relief from criminal activity but still having to pay for it. Is it not wrong that a rape victim will essentially pay for their rapist's food, clothing, shelter, healthcare, education, and entertainment? And that's not even including the fact that many repeat criminals can dedicate their lives to ruining the lives of others and likely never see prison time for it. As it stands right now, a homeless man could decide it's his life's mission to ruin your life. He could follow you home, smash up your house while you're away and smash up your car while you're asleep. He could go in while you're away, steal your stuff, kill your pets, destroy your memories, and everything you've worked for. He could do this once per week and would likely never see prison time for it as long as he didn't actually attack you, while you would be on the hook to either pay to have your stuff fixed or uproot your life to try to get away from this man, who could easily find you again because he has nothing else to do and nothing to stop him from doing it. And again, because we decide to keep murderers, rapists, child molesters, drug dealers, batterers, and thieves fed, clothed, sheltered, medically cared for, and entertained, there's no room to lock him up and no option to remove him from society despite the fact that he displays on a weekly basis the fact that he clearly has no interest in reforming or contributing to society in the slightest. The rental market, the housing market, healthcare, education, public schools, social safety nets, you name it and it would improve if we actually removed the criminal element from our society. I don't think wanting to create a better society for those who contribute and follow the rules is sociopathic, I think it's the only way to sustain society. There's a finite amount of resources and continuing to use them to benefit criminals isn't sustainable. wolfy42 posted... Actually ifyou think about it, that might wipe out all of humanity. Only if you didn't read the OP. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:890194305] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>If they were allowed jobs, there would probably be more "reformed" felons.</quote> But they are allowed to get jobs. The problem is that they have shown that they distinctly display traits that are not typically conducive to running a successful business, to the great detriment of those around them. Shouldn't an employer have the right to know that they're hiring someone who might steal from them, attack someone, sexually harass, or assault someone? I agree that it's a vicious cycle, but it's not really difficult at all to simply not enter that cycle. A reform of some of our laws would do wonders though, namely drug possession laws. The biggest issue is that crime tends to be the "easy way out" so to speak. It's faster to try to steal a car and sell it than it is to go to work 40 hours per week and work your way up the ladder, particularly when even stealing a car is unlikely to land you in prison(in Oregon at least). The mindset of justifying the comparatively low risk to high reward is always going to exist, especially when the risk is mitigated further by the fact that you essentially get unlimited chances in our society. <quote>I think this statement is why people might associate things you say with being a sociopath. That, and not caring that most of the people dying probably don't deserve death.</quote> Why is that though? Why is it wrong to draw a line and tell people they're cut off if they cross it? Why do people who obey the law, work hard, and contribute to society deserve to be at the mercy of criminals who day-in and day-out show they give no shits about ruining the lives of others? The consequence doesn't have to be death, there just needs to be an actual consequence to remove the criminal element from our society. As it stands, prison acts primarily as victims temporarily getting relief from criminal activity but still having to pay for it. Is it not wrong that a rape victim will essentially pay for their rapist's food, clothing, shelter, healthcare, education, and entertainment? And that's not even including the fact that many repeat criminals can dedicate their lives to ruining the lives of others and likely never see prison time for it. As it stands right now, a homeless man could decide it's his life's mission to ruin your life. He could follow you home, smash up your house while you're away and smash up your car while you're asleep. He could go in while you're away, steal your stuff, kill your pets, destroy your memories, and everything you've worked for. He could do this once per week and would likely never see prison time for it as long as he didn't actually attack you, while you would be on the hook to either pay to have your stuff fixed or uproot your life to try to get away from this man, who could easily find you again because he has nothing else to do and nothing to stop him from doing it. And again, because we decide to keep murderers, rapists, child molesters, drug dealers, batterers, and thieves fed, clothed, sheltered, medically cared for, and entertained, there's no room to lock him up and no option to remove him from society despite the fact that he displays on a weekly basis the fact that he clearly has no interest in reforming or contributing to society in the slightest. The rental market, the housing market, healthcare, education, public schools, social safety nets, you name it and it would improve if we actually removed the criminal element from our society. I don't think wanting to create a better society for those who contribute and follow the rules is sociopathic, I think it's the only way to sustain society. There's a finite amount of resources and continuing to use them to benefit criminals isn't sustainable. <cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>Actually ifyou think about it, that might wipe out all of humanity.</quote> Only if you didn't read the OP.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 11/11/17 3:09:15 PM #91:	Rasmoh posted... Whatever you say. No in this case it's a fact. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355 <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:890194489] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>Whatever you say.</quote> No in this case it's a fact.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 11/11/17 3:10:34 PM #92:	Revelation34 posted... No in this case it's a fact. k --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:890194556] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>No in this case it's a fact.</quote> k</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/11/17 3:22:36 PM #93:	Rasmoh posted... But they are allowed to get jobs. The problem is that they have shown that they distinctly display traits that are not typically conducive to running a successful business, to the great detriment of those around them. Shouldn't an employer have the right to know that they're hiring someone who might steal from them, attack someone, sexually harass, or assault someone? I agree that it's a vicious cycle, but it's not really difficult at all to simply not enter that cycle. A reform of some of our laws would do wonders though, namely drug possession laws. The biggest issue is that crime tends to be the "easy way out" so to speak. It's faster to try to steal a car and sell it than it is to go to work 40 hours per week and work your way up the ladder, particularly when even stealing a car is unlikely to land you in prison(in Oregon at least). The mindset of justifying the comparatively low risk to high reward is always going to exist, especially when the risk is mitigated further by the fact that you essentially get unlimited chances in our society. Nobody is saying they should have unlimited chances. But at least one would be nice. You say they can get a job, but it's not that easy. They can apply for jobs, but get turned down immediately upon seeing they were a felon. Even without knowing why they were a felon, most of the time. They automatically think the worst. And when they aren't immediately turned down, they usually go for other people first. It makes sense, but also means they aren't getting the chance they need to reform. And some(not all) go back to a life of crime. Some get jobs. And more than that, some just do nothing and mooch. But mooching can sometimes mean that they also aren't back to a life of crime. Also, do you hear yourself. You keep saying how nobody should hire them because they're horrible people. But then you get mad at them because they don't try to reform, even though when they can't get a job, you think that's awesome. You're part of the problem. People like you are the reason this circle can continue. --- 3DS Friend Code: 4742 6214 5315 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. 0001 3388 9537, also. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:890195137] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>But they are allowed to get jobs. The problem is that they have shown that they distinctly display traits that are not typically conducive to running a successful business, to the great detriment of those around them. Shouldn't an employer have the right to know that they're hiring someone who might steal from them, attack someone, sexually harass, or assault someone? I agree that it's a vicious cycle, but it's not really difficult at all to simply not enter that cycle. A reform of some of our laws would do wonders though, namely drug possession laws. The biggest issue is that crime tends to be the "easy way out" so to speak. It's faster to try to steal a car and sell it than it is to go to work 40 hours per week and work your way up the ladder, particularly when even stealing a car is unlikely to land you in prison(in Oregon at least). The mindset of justifying the comparatively low risk to high reward is always going to exist, especially when the risk is mitigated further by the fact that you essentially get unlimited chances in our society.</quote> Nobody is saying they should have unlimited chances. But at least one would be nice. You say they can get a job, but it's not that easy. They can apply for jobs, but get turned down immediately upon seeing they were a felon. Even without knowing why they were a felon, most of the time. They automatically think the worst. And when they aren't immediately turned down, they usually go for other people first. It makes sense, but also means they aren't getting the chance they need to reform. And some(not all) go back to a life of crime. Some get jobs. And more than that, some just do nothing and mooch. But mooching can sometimes mean that they also aren't back to a life of crime. Also, do you hear yourself. You keep saying how nobody should hire them because they're horrible people. But then you get mad at them because they don't try to reform, even though when they can't get a job, you think that's awesome. You're part of the problem. People like you are the reason this circle can continue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 11/11/17 3:32:05 PM #94:	Rasmoh posted... Why is that though? Why is it wrong to draw a line and tell people they're cut off if they cross it? Why do people who obey the law, work hard, and contribute to society deserve to be at the mercy of criminals who day-in and day-out show they give no shits about ruining the lives of others? The consequence doesn't have to be death, there just needs to be an actual consequence to remove the criminal element from our society. As it stands, prison acts primarily as victims temporarily getting relief from criminal activity but still having to pay for it. Is it not wrong that a rape victim will essentially pay for their rapist's food, clothing, shelter, healthcare, education, and entertainment? And that's not even including the fact that many repeat criminals can dedicate their lives to ruining the lives of others and likely never see prison time for it. As it stands right now, a homeless man could decide it's his life's mission to ruin your life. He could follow you home, smash up your house while you're away and smash up your car while you're asleep. He could go in while you're away, steal your stuff, kill your pets, destroy your memories, and everything you've worked for. He could do this once per week and would likely never see prison time for it as long as he didn't actually attack you, while you would be on the hook to either pay to have your stuff fixed or uproot your life to try to get away from this man, who could easily find you again because he has nothing else to do and nothing to stop him from doing it. And again, because we decide to keep murderers, rapists, child molesters, drug dealers, batterers, and thieves fed, clothed, sheltered, medically cared for, and entertained, there's no room to lock him up and no option to remove him from society despite the fact that he displays on a weekly basis the fact that he clearly has no interest in reforming or contributing to society in the slightest. The rental market, the housing market, healthcare, education, public schools, social safety nets, you name it and it would improve if we actually removed the criminal element from our society. I don't think wanting to create a better society for those who contribute and follow the rules is sociopathic, I think it's the only way to sustain society. There's a finite amount of resources and continuing to use them to benefit criminals isn't sustainable. First, if they never see prison or are convicted, would this rules even still affect them. I thought it was only convicted criminals. Which is why I said, there are still going to be people who still do bad things, because a lot are never caught. Also, this homeless man, if found, would go to prison. And if not found, then this doesn't affect him since you would have to catch him to be convicted or to send him to your prison island. So, that example is pointless, too. But also, you have to remember, sending all criminals to this island means that lots of others will be sent there, too. Even if it were just felons, lots of innocent people(Who were still convicted), people who did something like urinate outside, people who had minor crimes upgraded to felonies, etc. All criminals adds in a bunch of other people, too. And I didn't say you were a sociopath, but that people might think you are one. And statements like the one I pointed out and maybe some of the other ones you said might also back it up. But, whatever. --- 3DS Friend Code: 4742 6214 5315 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. 0001 3388 9537, also. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:890195666] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>Rasmoh posted...</cite> <quote>Why is that though? Why is it wrong to draw a line and tell people they're cut off if they cross it? Why do people who obey the law, work hard, and contribute to society deserve to be at the mercy of criminals who day-in and day-out show they give no shits about ruining the lives of others? The consequence doesn't have to be death, there just needs to be an actual consequence to remove the criminal element from our society. As it stands, prison acts primarily as victims temporarily getting relief from criminal activity but still having to pay for it. Is it not wrong that a rape victim will essentially pay for their rapist's food, clothing, shelter, healthcare, education, and entertainment? And that's not even including the fact that many repeat criminals can dedicate their lives to ruining the lives of others and likely never see prison time for it. As it stands right now, a homeless man could decide it's his life's mission to ruin your life. He could follow you home, smash up your house while you're away and smash up your car while you're asleep. He could go in while you're away, steal your stuff, kill your pets, destroy your memories, and everything you've worked for. He could do this once per week and would likely never see prison time for it as long as he didn't actually attack you, while you would be on the hook to either pay to have your stuff fixed or uproot your life to try to get away from this man, who could easily find you again because he has nothing else to do and nothing to stop him from doing it. And again, because we decide to keep murderers, rapists, child molesters, drug dealers, batterers, and thieves fed, clothed, sheltered, medically cared for, and entertained, there's no room to lock him up and no option to remove him from society despite the fact that he displays on a weekly basis the fact that he clearly has no interest in reforming or contributing to society in the slightest. The rental market, the housing market, healthcare, education, public schools, social safety nets, you name it and it would improve if we actually removed the criminal element from our society. I don't think wanting to create a better society for those who contribute and follow the rules is sociopathic, I think it's the only way to sustain society. There's a finite amount of resources and continuing to use them to benefit criminals isn't sustainable.</quote> First, if they never see prison or are convicted, would this rules even still affect them. I thought it was only convicted criminals. Which is why I said, there are still going to be people who still do bad things, because a lot are never caught. Also, this homeless man, if found, would go to prison. And if not found, then this doesn't affect him since you would have to catch him to be convicted or to send him to your prison island. So, that example is pointless, too. But also, you have to remember, sending all criminals to this island means that lots of others will be sent there, too. Even if it were just felons, lots of innocent people(Who were still convicted), people who did something like urinate outside, people who had minor crimes upgraded to felonies, etc. All criminals adds in a bunch of other people, too. And I didn't say you were a sociopath, but that people might think you are one. And statements like the one I pointed out and maybe some of the other ones you said might also back it up. But, whatever.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 11/11/17 3:55:07 PM #95:	LinkPizza posted... Nobody is saying they should have unlimited chances. But at least one would be nice. Absolutely. I think even more than one chance is appropriate. But as it stands, criminals currently get unlimited chances and decades of giving them unlimited chances is really starting to wreak havoc on our society. You say they can get a job, but it's not that easy. They can apply for jobs, but get turned down immediately upon seeing they were a felon. Even without knowing why they were a felon, most of the time. They automatically think the worst. And when they aren't immediately turned down, they usually go for other people first. It makes sense, but also means they aren't getting the chance they need to reform. I think it is the wise impetus of a business to higher the lowest risk employees, so I don't think there's anything wrong with that system. Imagine yourself as a business owner. If you had two people vying for one position, wouldn't you want to know if one of them were likely to do something like steal from you, attack someone, misuse confidential info, or worse? As someone who is liable for the actions of their employees, would you not want to have information that could save you from being ruined? There are other things that I think should be offered to a felon as part of a reform program: A Federal Work program where they do labor intensive menial tasks, like creating national parks, harvesting resources, or cleaning up the environment would be one. Required military service is another option. I also think that complying with parole/probation terms for a designated period of time should "suppress" someone's felon status, opening up more opportunities for these people. Basically, increase the rewards for actually reforming and increase the punishments for not reforming, eventually removing the person from society if they "strike out". I also think a big improvement would be not letting felons go back to the places where they committed their crimes, because a huge amount of them get drawn back into criminal lifestyles because they end up hanging around people who might have pulled them into the criminal lifestyle in the first place. But mooching can sometimes mean that they also aren't back to a life of crime. Mooching should be something that we should be stopping. There should be time limits on pretty much every form of social safety net, because allowing indefinite reception of welfare is a surefire way to encourage people to sit on their asses instead of improving their station in life and also encourages people to just vote for whoever promises them the most welfare. You keep saying how nobody should hire them because they're horrible people. I'm not necessarily saying no one should hire them, but if I were a business owner I would certainly want to hire the best people to work at my business. Why is that wrong? Felons do tend to be pretty terrible people. It's actually remarkably easy to not be charged with a felony. Most people go their whole lives without being charged as a felon, let alone convicted. If you can tell me why vandals, arsonists, thieves, batterers, drug dealers, child molesters, rapists, and murderers aren't terrible people, I'd love to hear it. even though when they can't get a job, you think that's awesome. Never said that. People like you are the reason this circle can continue. No, people who don't want to admit that some people are just plain bad and detrimental to our society are the reason this circle can continue. Even the most abhorrent of criminals have people who will flock to their defense and insist they're not bad people despite committing atrocity after atrocity. Abetting criminals is a surefire way to ruin society. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:890196809] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Nobody is saying they should have unlimited chances. But at least one would be nice.</quote> Absolutely. I think even more than one chance is appropriate. But as it stands, criminals currently get unlimited chances and decades of giving them unlimited chances is really starting to wreak havoc on our society. <quote>You say they can get a job, but it's not that easy. They can apply for jobs, but get turned down immediately upon seeing they were a felon. Even without knowing why they were a felon, most of the time. They automatically think the worst. And when they aren't immediately turned down, they usually go for other people first. It makes sense, but also means they aren't getting the chance they need to reform.</quote> I think it is the wise impetus of a business to higher the lowest risk employees, so I don't think there's anything wrong with that system. Imagine yourself as a business owner. If you had two people vying for one position, wouldn't you want to know if one of them were likely to do something like steal from you, attack someone, misuse confidential info, or worse? As someone who is liable for the actions of their employees, would you not want to have information that could save you from being ruined? There are other things that I think should be offered to a felon as part of a reform program: A Federal Work program where they do labor intensive menial tasks, like creating national parks, harvesting resources, or cleaning up the environment would be one. Required military service is another option. I also think that complying with parole/probation terms for a designated period of time should "suppress" someone's felon status, opening up more opportunities for these people. Basically, increase the rewards for actually reforming and increase the punishments for not reforming, eventually removing the person from society if they "strike out". I also think a big improvement would be not letting felons go back to the places where they committed their crimes, because a huge amount of them get drawn back into criminal lifestyles because they end up hanging around people who might have pulled them into the criminal lifestyle in the first place. <quote>But mooching can sometimes mean that they also aren't back to a life of crime.</quote> Mooching should be something that we should be stopping. There should be time limits on pretty much every form of social safety net, because allowing indefinite reception of welfare is a surefire way to encourage people to sit on their asses instead of improving their station in life and also encourages people to just vote for whoever promises them the most welfare. <quote>You keep saying how nobody should hire them because they're horrible people.</quote> I'm not necessarily saying no one should hire them, but if I were a business owner I would certainly want to hire the best people to work at my business. Why is that wrong? Felons do tend to be pretty terrible people. It's actually remarkably easy to not be charged with a felony. Most people go their whole lives without being charged as a felon, let alone convicted. If you can tell me why vandals, arsonists, thieves, batterers, drug dealers, child molesters, rapists, and murderers aren't terrible people, I'd love to hear it. <quote>even though when they can't get a job, you think that's awesome.</quote> Never said that. <quote>People like you are the reason this circle can continue.</quote> No, people who don't want to admit that some people are just plain bad and detrimental to our society are the reason this circle can continue. Even the most abhorrent of criminals have people who will flock to their defense and insist they're not bad people despite committing atrocity after atrocity. Abetting criminals is a surefire way to ruin society.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rasmoh 11/11/17 4:40:43 PM #96:	LinkPizza posted... I thought it was only convicted criminals. Which is why I said, there are still going to be people who still do bad things, because a lot are never caught. So? How does this reduce the benefit of getting rid of those who do get caught? Also, this homeless man, if found, would go to prison. As of right now, he wouldn't because prisons are so crowded that there's no room for a simple vandal. I can only speak for Oregon, but you pretty much won't go to prison here unless you kill someone, try to kill someone, commit armed robbery, sexually assault or rape someone, or get caught dealing drugs multiple(3 or more) times. Anything less than those crimes will not land you in prison 95% of the time here. But also, you have to remember, sending all criminals to this island means that lots of others will be sent there, too. I thought we had established that permanently being exiled to this island was only for heinous criminals(murderers, rapists, child molesters) or repeat felons. If we didn't do that, I apologize. If you're talking about the poll though, I would support it because the overall amount of good it would do our society would outweigh the negative 100 times over. Housing prices would become affordable once more, the homeless population would plummet and resources available to those who are homeless because of bad circumstances would increase, strain on our healthcare system would be drastically reduced, neighborhoods would become safer, "urban renewal" projects across the country would actually be worthwhile endeavors instead of polishing turds that get tarnished by the ever increasing homeless population. Even if it were just felons, lots of innocent people(Who were still convicted), people who did something like urinate outside, people who had minor crimes upgraded to felonies, etc I'm aware of that. It is truly terrible that innocent people get convicted of crimes they did not commit. But I think it's far worse that innocent people are victimized every day by criminals who we could easily be rid of if people would accept them as the bad people that they are. Not to mention if we didn't tie up so much resources into half-assedly prosecuting repeat offenders who we should be rid of, we'd have more resources to ensure that the guilty are actually guilty. Instead, our justice system has it's hands full prosecuting people who commit crime after crime after crime while also prosecuting people facing serious charges, giving them less time to scrutinize information that could acquit someone falsely accused of serious crimes. but that people might think you are one. And statements like the one I pointed out and maybe some of the other ones you said might also back it up That's fine with me. Only people on GameFAQs have ever said anything like that to me. Opinions like mine are actually very common in the Oregon DOJ and the Judicial Department here, because the people here see the results of being overly compassionate towards criminals on a daily basis. I think sociopathic is a much more accurate description for those who want to perpetually subject innocent people to criminal victimization, to be honest. --- Miami Dolphins \| Portland Trailblazers \| San Francisco Giants I won't say a thing, because the one who knows best is you. <cite>Rasmoh posted [p:890198892] in 1 million,... [t:75957293]...</cite> <quote><cite>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>I thought it was only convicted criminals. Which is why I said, there are still going to be people who still do bad things, because a lot are never caught.</quote> So? How does this reduce the benefit of getting rid of those who do get caught? <quote>Also, this homeless man, if found, would go to prison.</quote> As of right now, he wouldn't because prisons are so crowded that there's no room for a simple vandal. I can only speak for Oregon, but you pretty much won't go to prison here unless you kill someone, try to kill someone, commit armed robbery, sexually assault or rape someone, or get caught dealing drugs multiple(3 or more) times. Anything less than those crimes will not land you in prison 95% of the time here. <quote>But also, you have to remember, sending all criminals to this island means that lots of others will be sent there, too.</quote> I thought we had established that permanently being exiled to this island was only for heinous criminals(murderers, rapists, child molesters) or repeat felons. If we didn't do that, I apologize. If you're talking about the poll though, I would support it because the overall amount of good it would do our society would outweigh the negative 100 times over. Housing prices would become affordable once more, the homeless population would plummet and resources available to those who are homeless because of bad circumstances would increase, strain on our healthcare system would be drastically reduced, neighborhoods would become safer, "urban renewal" projects across the country would actually be worthwhile endeavors instead of polishing turds that get tarnished by the ever increasing homeless population. <quote> Even if it were just felons, lots of innocent people(Who were still convicted), people who did something like urinate outside, people who had minor crimes upgraded to felonies, etc</quote> I'm aware of that. It is truly terrible that innocent people get convicted of crimes they did not commit. But I think it's far worse that innocent people are victimized every day by criminals who we could easily be rid of if people would accept them as the bad people that they are. Not to mention if we didn't tie up so much resources into half-assedly prosecuting repeat offenders who we should be rid of, we'd have more resources to ensure that the guilty are actually guilty. Instead, our justice system has it's hands full prosecuting people who commit crime after crime after crime while also prosecuting people facing serious charges, giving them less time to scrutinize information that could acquit someone falsely accused of serious crimes. <quote>but that people might think you are one. And statements like the one I pointed out and maybe some of the other ones you said might also back it up</quote> That's fine with me. Only people on GameFAQs have ever said anything like that to me. Opinions like mine are actually very common in the Oregon DOJ and the Judicial Department here, because the people here see the results of being overly compassionate towards criminals on a daily basis. I think sociopathic is a much more accurate description for those who want to perpetually subject innocent people to criminal victimization, to be honest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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