Current Events > STEM jobs aren't as plentiful as they are portrayed

Topic List	Page List: 1, 2
FLUFFYGERM 11/04/17 11:27:25 AM #51:	FluttershyPony posted... Shut up pal, how are these universities gonna make money if people realize going 300k in debt to be a "scientist" or whatever isn't actually gonna get them a job at all? This is another problem. The government has guaranteed access to funds for pretty much any prospective student. Colleges are not stupid, so they've built larger campuses and hired more people and are pocketing more and more money. And so the degree mills keep popping up, the job market gets more saturated with "talent", and new job creation is not where it could be. It's a terrible situation all around. Could fix it if we stopped giving out student loans like candy and if we immediately started prioritizing the trades and relevant skills beginning in 6th-12th grade. There's a shortage of skilled tradespeople in this country, for example. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:889741564] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>FluttershyPony posted...</cite> <quote>Shut up pal, how are these universities gonna make money if people realize going 300k in debt to be a "scientist" or whatever isn't actually gonna get them a job at all?</quote> This is another problem. The government has guaranteed access to funds for pretty much any prospective student. Colleges are not stupid, so they've built larger campuses and hired more people and are pocketing more and more money. And so the degree mills keep popping up, the job market gets more saturated with "talent", and new job creation is not where it could be. It's a terrible situation all around. Could fix it if we stopped giving out student loans like candy and if we immediately started prioritizing the trades and relevant skills beginning in 6th-12th grade. There's a shortage of skilled tradespeople in this country, for example.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 11/04/17 11:28:14 AM #52:	FluttershyPony posted... Shut up pal, how are these universities gonna make money if people realize going 300k in debt to be a "scientist" or whatever isn't actually gonna get them a job at all? Who goes into 300k in debt besides med students? I racked up about 10k in debt in my undergraduate degree, and that's it. PhD programs are universally free, and offer a stipend. In other words, through grad school you get paid, you don't pay the university. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:889741593] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>FluttershyPony posted...</cite> <quote>Shut up pal, how are these universities gonna make money if people realize going 300k in debt to be a "scientist" or whatever isn't actually gonna get them a job at all? </quote> Who goes into 300k in debt besides med students? I racked up about 10k in debt in my undergraduate degree, and that's it. PhD programs are universally free, and offer a stipend. In other words, through grad school you get paid, you don't pay the university.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/04/17 11:29:20 AM #53:	COVxy posted... FluttershyPony posted... Shut up pal, how are these universities gonna make money if people realize going 300k in debt to be a "scientist" or whatever isn't actually gonna get them a job at all? Who goes into 300k in debt besides med students? I racked up about 10k in debt in my undergraduate degree, and that's it. PhD programs are universally free, and offer a stipend. In other words, through grad school you get paid, you don't pay the university. The average undergraduate student debt right now is around $30,000 IIRC. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:889741640] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FluttershyPony posted...</cite> <quote>Shut up pal, how are these universities gonna make money if people realize going 300k in debt to be a "scientist" or whatever isn't actually gonna get them a job at all? </quote> Who goes into 300k in debt besides med students? I racked up about 10k in debt in my undergraduate degree, and that's it. PhD programs are universally free, and offer a stipend. In other words, through grad school you get paid, you don't pay the university.</quote> The average undergraduate student debt right now is around $30,000 IIRC.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 11/04/17 11:30:05 AM #54:	FLUFFYGERM posted... The average undergraduate student debt right now is around $30,000 IIRC. Which is nowhere near 300k. 30k is pretty reasonable, especially given the type of loans available to most students. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:889741674] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>The average undergraduate student debt right now is around $30,000 IIRC. </quote> Which is nowhere near 300k. 30k is pretty reasonable, especially given the type of loans available to most students.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 11/04/17 11:31:01 AM #55:	FLUFFYGERM posted... The Admiral posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... The Great Muta 22 posted... This is what always makes me laugh about those who attack the "liberal college students with shitty majors stuck working as a barista!" folks that cling to STEM majors and treat them like the holy grail. The lack of employment is something that's not restricted to one major or one area, and it really shows how sheltered the big money Republicans are from the "flyover states" they feel they identify so much with. Plenty of students that graduate with STEM majors are also in crippling debt and still living with their parents in decaying towns with a lack of meaningful employment options. It's not something that's specific to one group of people. Hell, one trip to the Rust Belt would make that abundantly clear. What's more likely? To be saddled with debt and no prospects after majoring in something useless like gender studies or journalism, or to be saddled with debt and no prospects after majoring in electrical engineering? Honestly, stuff like gender studies and women's studies shouldn't even be offered as undergraduate majors. Those specialized fields of study should be restricted to the grad level, with undergrads expected to get a more general and employable set of skills. This is even more so the case if people are going to continue clamoring for "free college." Taxpayers should rightfully expect an ROI on that investment, and that doesn't come from wasting four years studying bullshit. 100% agreed. I'd even say that we need to drastically remodel how we do K-8 and high school as well. We need to prioritize relevant skills, including the trades, even in high school. Bring back the shop classes and get rid of gender studies bull shit. Basically all my youngest cousins and whatnot are going to high schools that teach more about "critical feminist theory" than how to budget, change a tire, do math, etc. I agree. I've actually changed by position on subsidized college education quite a bit, but it can't come without an overhaul to the current system. If college education is going to be treated as a basic job requirement, such that the taxpayers should fund it, it needs to teach a useful and diverse set of skills. It can't just be an avenue like it is now for talentless fuck ups to waste four years studying nonsense and then cry about student debt and wealth inequality when they can't get real jobs afterwards. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:889741693] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>This is what always makes me laugh about those who attack the "liberal college students with shitty majors stuck working as a barista!" folks that cling to STEM majors and treat them like the holy grail. The lack of employment is something that's not restricted to one major or one area, and it really shows how sheltered the big money Republicans are from the "flyover states" they feel they identify so much with. Plenty of students that graduate with STEM majors are also in crippling debt and still living with their parents in decaying towns with a lack of meaningful employment options. It's not something that's specific to one group of people. Hell, one trip to the Rust Belt would make that abundantly clear.</quote> What's more likely? To be saddled with debt and no prospects after majoring in something useless like gender studies or journalism, or to be saddled with debt and no prospects after majoring in electrical engineering?</quote> Honestly, stuff like gender studies and women's studies shouldn't even be offered as undergraduate majors. Those specialized fields of study should be restricted to the grad level, with undergrads expected to get a more general and employable set of skills. This is even more so the case if people are going to continue clamoring for "free college." Taxpayers should rightfully expect an ROI on that investment, and that doesn't come from wasting four years studying bullshit.</quote> 100% agreed. I'd even say that we need to drastically remodel how we do K-8 and high school as well. We need to prioritize relevant skills, including the trades, even in high school. Bring back the shop classes and get rid of gender studies bull shit. Basically all my youngest cousins and whatnot are going to high schools that teach more about "critical feminist theory" than how to budget, change a tire, do math, etc.</quote> I agree. I've actually changed by position on subsidized college education quite a bit, but it can't come without an overhaul to the current system. If college education is going to be treated as a basic job requirement, such that the taxpayers should fund it, it needs to teach a useful and diverse set of skills. It can't just be an avenue like it is now for talentless fuck ups to waste four years studying nonsense and then cry about student debt and wealth inequality when they can't get real jobs afterwards.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 11/04/17 11:31:55 AM #56:	FLUFFYGERM posted... The unemployment rate for engineers is around 4% lower than every other occupation. I'd imagine that the unemployment rate for useless degrees is much higher than the average, especially if we don't include part-time work at Starbucks as gainful employment. This is what I mean. You're acting as if because yes, STEM having a better likelihood of employment, that the issues of debt and lack of employment don't exist when data itself disagrees with that. The issue extends far beyond what major you decide upon, and it's a lazy argument to pretend elsewise. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:889741733] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote> The unemployment rate for engineers is around 4% lower than every other occupation. I'd imagine that the unemployment rate for useless degrees is much higher than the average, especially if we don't include part-time work at Starbucks as gainful employment.</quote> This is what I mean. You're acting as if because yes, STEM having a better likelihood of employment, that the issues of debt and lack of employment don't exist when data itself disagrees with that. The issue extends far beyond what major you decide upon, and it's a lazy argument to pretend elsewise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FightingGames 11/04/17 11:32:14 AM #57:	tfw too dumb to major in CS --- https://my.mixtape.moe/hhlayb.jpg <cite>FightingGames posted [p:889741750] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote>tfw too dumb to major in CS</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 11/04/17 11:36:56 AM #58:	The Admiral posted... I agree. I've actually changed by position on subsidized college education quite a bit, but it can't come without an overhaul to the current system. If college education is going to be treated as a basic job requirement, such that the taxpayers should fund it, it needs to teach a useful and diverse set of skills. It can't just be an avenue like it is now for talentless fuck ups to waste four years studying nonsense and then cry about student debt and wealth inequality when they can't get real jobs afterwards. I would mostly agree, but the issues of student loan debt and lack of employment is factually something that extends beyond what you'd consider "nonsense majors" and we as a society should look at the issue as something more than petty partisan nonsense. It's easy to point to someone majoring in "gender studies" and mocking them for having these issues, but the facts are that even those with STEM degrees suffer from the same issues. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:889741951] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>I agree. I've actually changed by position on subsidized college education quite a bit, but it can't come without an overhaul to the current system. If college education is going to be treated as a basic job requirement, such that the taxpayers should fund it, it needs to teach a useful and diverse set of skills. It can't just be an avenue like it is now for talentless fuck ups to waste four years studying nonsense and then cry about student debt and wealth inequality when they can't get real jobs afterwards. </quote> I would mostly agree, but the issues of student loan debt and lack of employment is factually something that extends beyond what you'd consider "nonsense majors" and we as a society should look at the issue as something more than petty partisan nonsense. It's easy to point to someone majoring in "gender studies" and mocking them for having these issues, but the facts are that even those with STEM degrees suffer from the same issues.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 11/04/17 11:53:14 AM #59:	Getting a security clearance opens a ton of doors. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:889742610] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote>Getting a security clearance opens a ton of doors.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Drpooplol 11/04/17 11:53:28 AM #60:	FLUFFYGERM posted... This is another problem. The government has guaranteed access to funds for pretty much any prospective student. Colleges are not stupid, so they've built larger campuses and hired more people and are pocketing more and more money. And so the degree mills keep popping up, the job market gets more saturated with "talent", and new job creation is not where it could be. It's a terrible situation all around. Could fix it if we stopped giving out student loans like candy and if we immediately started prioritizing the trades and relevant skills beginning in 6th-12th grade. There's a shortage of skilled tradespeople in this country, for example. One of the best posts I've seen Proudclad make. But we shouldn't just stop at "endorse trades work" because the needs for the workers will change. We need to continuously monitor the economic labor demands of the country and push that. That's why the STEM push initially started, iirc, but the government never stopped to realize they need to adjust what they push. --- "Or do you want to know more about my vagina?" LIE "No" <cite>Drpooplol posted [p:889742619] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>This is another problem. The government has guaranteed access to funds for pretty much any prospective student. Colleges are not stupid, so they've built larger campuses and hired more people and are pocketing more and more money. And so the degree mills keep popping up, the job market gets more saturated with "talent", and new job creation is not where it could be. It's a terrible situation all around. Could fix it if we stopped giving out student loans like candy and if we immediately started prioritizing the trades and relevant skills beginning in 6th-12th grade. There's a shortage of skilled tradespeople in this country, for example.</quote> One of the best posts I've seen Proudclad make. But we shouldn't just stop at "endorse trades work" because the needs for the workers will change. We need to continuously monitor the economic labor demands of the country and push that. That's why the STEM push initially started, iirc, but the government never stopped to realize they need to adjust what they push.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 11/04/17 11:54:08 AM #61:	Wonder how many Gender Studies jobs are out there --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:889742640] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote>Wonder how many Gender Studies jobs are out there</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
#62	Post #62 was unavailable or deleted.
MrPeppers 11/04/17 11:59:17 AM #63:	REMercsChamp posted... What's next, guys like COVxy are going to tell us how much harder hardcore gamers work than the rest of us because they put in 100 hours of gaming a week? This has got to be the dumbest comparison Ive ever heard --- http://i.imgur.com/SGkkbF0.png <cite>MrPeppers posted [p:889742869] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>What's next, guys like COVxy are going to tell us how much harder hardcore gamers work than the rest of us because they put in 100 hours of gaming a week?</quote> This has got to be the dumbest comparison Ive ever heard </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 11/04/17 12:03:24 PM #64:	Coffeebeanz posted... Wonder how many Gender Studies jobs are out there For shit's and giggles: https://wgs.tcnj.edu/for-students/careers-and-graduate-school/what-you-can-do-with-a-wgs-major/ What You Can Do With a Women's, Gender, and Sexuality Studies Major This looks like FUN! But what can I do with a Womens and Gender Studies major? A degree in Womens and Gender Studies prepares you for almost anything. Majoring in Womens and Gender Studies is a relatively new option for American college students. Its an interdisciplinary course of study that introduces students to hidden histories, explores complex social structures, confronts injustice and oppression, and hones the skills of citizens of the future. Above all, it helps students understand themselves. But how does all of this translate to a career? What Employers Want Employers often seek out liberal arts graduates, knowing that a liberal arts education emphasizes critical thinking, writing, and presentation skills. A liberal arts degree shows an employer that you have studied a wide variety of topics and probably have a broader view of the world than other applicants. A Womens and Gender Studies major provides all of these benefits and more: - Expertise in finding and using information on contemporary social issues - An understanding of differences of gender, sexuality, race, culture, and social class - Insight into the connections among different forms of oppression - A foundation for analyzing inequities and initiating change This preparation in critical thinking and social awareness is also excellent background for students pursuing graduate and professional degrees. Real People, Real Jobs What kind of job can you get with a major in Womens and Gender Studies? When Barbara Luebke and Mary Ellen Reilly researched this question in 1995, they found Womens Studies graduates working in a variety of fieldsincluding the arts, business and industry, education, health care, the media, politics, law, social work, psychology, and sports. They found Womens and Gender Studies graduates holding the following jobs: - Administrator of a human services department - Advocate for victims of domestic violence and hate crimes - Artist - Associate director of a human rights organization - Business owner - Clergy - Communications consultant - Congressional aide - Coordinator of a womens health clinic - Director of social service agency - Executive director of a foundation - Film production assistant - Flight instructor - Journalist - Law enforcement officer - Librarian - Manager of energy conservation - Musician - Novelist - Nurse practitioner - Physician - Professor - Program director of a rape crisis center - Psychologist - Psychotherapist - Public health educator - Public relations director - Social worker - Teacher - Theater staff - Town manager - Union organizer --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:889743043] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>Wonder how many Gender Studies jobs are out there</quote> For shit's and giggles: https://wgs.tcnj.edu/for-students/careers-and-graduate-school/what-you-can-do-with-a-wgs-major/ <quote>What You Can Do With a Women's, Gender, and Sexuality Studies Major This looks like FUN! But what can I do with a Womens and Gender Studies major? A degree in Womens and Gender Studies prepares you for almost anything. Majoring in Womens and Gender Studies is a relatively new option for American college students. Its an interdisciplinary course of study that introduces students to hidden histories, explores complex social structures, confronts injustice and oppression, and hones the skills of citizens of the future. Above all, it helps students understand themselves. But how does all of this translate to a career? What Employers Want Employers often seek out liberal arts graduates, knowing that a liberal arts education emphasizes critical thinking, writing, and presentation skills. A liberal arts degree shows an employer that you have studied a wide variety of topics and probably have a broader view of the world than other applicants. A Womens and Gender Studies major provides all of these benefits and more: - Expertise in finding and using information on contemporary social issues - An understanding of differences of gender, sexuality, race, culture, and social class - Insight into the connections among different forms of oppression - A foundation for analyzing inequities and initiating change This preparation in critical thinking and social awareness is also excellent background for students pursuing graduate and professional degrees. Real People, Real Jobs What kind of job can you get with a major in Womens and Gender Studies? When Barbara Luebke and Mary Ellen Reilly researched this question in 1995, they found Womens Studies graduates working in a variety of fieldsincluding the arts, business and industry, education, health care, the media, politics, law, social work, psychology, and sports. They found Womens and Gender Studies graduates holding the following jobs: - Administrator of a human services department - Advocate for victims of domestic violence and hate crimes - Artist - Associate director of a human rights organization - Business owner - Clergy - Communications consultant - Congressional aide - Coordinator of a womens health clinic - Director of social service agency - Executive director of a foundation - Film production assistant - Flight instructor - Journalist - Law enforcement officer - Librarian - Manager of energy conservation - Musician - Novelist - Nurse practitioner - Physician - Professor - Program director of a rape crisis center - Psychologist - Psychotherapist - Public health educator - Public relations director - Social worker - Teacher - Theater staff - Town manager - Union organizer </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 11/04/17 12:22:12 PM #65:	FLUFFYGERM posted... There's a shortage of skilled tradespeople in this country, for example. why should we buy into this meme after being told there's a shortage of STEM folk? what if there really isn't a shortage of tradespeople? what if it's just another ruse to get people who wouldn't qualify for university to shell out money on tradeschool? --- let's positive thinking <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:889743919] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>There's a shortage of skilled tradespeople in this country, for example.</quote> why should we buy into this meme after being told there's a shortage of STEM folk? what if there really isn't a shortage of tradespeople? what if it's just another ruse to get people who wouldn't qualify for university to shell out money on tradeschool?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
#66	Post #66 was unavailable or deleted.
MedeaLysistrata 11/04/17 12:28:33 PM #67:	shockthemonkey posted... MedeaLysistrata posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... There's a shortage of skilled tradespeople in this country, for example. why should we buy into this meme after being told there's a shortage of STEM folk? what if there really isn't a shortage of tradespeople? what if it's just another ruse to get people who wouldn't qualify for university to shell out money on tradeschool? Trades cant be exported and outsourced in the same way that a lot of other jobs can be. idk i just don't really believe anyone who says "there is a shortage of this job" anymore because that seems to mean, in this day and age just "this market isn't extremely oversaturated" --- let's positive thinking <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:889744190] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>shockthemonkey posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MedeaLysistrata posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>There's a shortage of skilled tradespeople in this country, for example.</quote> why should we buy into this meme after being told there's a shortage of STEM folk? what if there really isn't a shortage of tradespeople? what if it's just another ruse to get people who wouldn't qualify for university to shell out money on tradeschool?</quote> Trades cant be exported and outsourced in the same way that a lot of other jobs can be.</quote> idk i just don't really believe anyone who says "there is a shortage of this job" anymore because that seems to mean, in this day and age just "this market isn't extremely oversaturated"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 11/04/17 12:34:35 PM #68:	MrPeppers posted... REMercsChamp posted... What's next, guys like COVxy are going to tell us how much harder hardcore gamers work than the rest of us because they put in 100 hours of gaming a week? This has got to be the dumbest comparison Ive ever heard Why's that Peppers? We're comparing busting your ass working a full time job to being a student, really? --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:889744455] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>MrPeppers posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>What's next, guys like COVxy are going to tell us how much harder hardcore gamers work than the rest of us because they put in 100 hours of gaming a week?</quote> This has got to be the dumbest comparison Ive ever heard </quote> Why's that Peppers? We're comparing busting your ass working a full time job to being a student, really?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/04/17 12:35:17 PM #69:	There are trade schools that pay for you to be an apprentice electrician/plumber/etc. You learn while getting paid. If I wanted to stop writing code, I could quit my job and become a highly paid plumber or electrician in virtually no time at all. There's a lot of demand depending on where you live. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:889744488] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote>There are trade schools that pay for you to be an apprentice electrician/plumber/etc. You learn while getting paid. If I wanted to stop writing code, I could quit my job and become a highly paid plumber or electrician in virtually no time at all. There's a lot of demand depending on where you live.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 11/04/17 12:38:06 PM #70:	FLUFFYGERM posted... I could quit my job and become a highly paid plumber or electrician in virtually no time at all You really think someone who makes a good computer programming would make a good plumber and vice versa? BTW good luck getting into a trade these days without connections to the mafia. --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:889744618] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>I could quit my job and become a highly paid plumber or electrician in virtually no time at all</quote> You really think someone who makes a good computer programming would make a good plumber and vice versa? BTW good luck getting into a trade these days without connections to the mafia.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/04/17 12:39:50 PM #71:	REMercsChamp posted... You really think someone who makes a good computer programming would make a good plumber and vice versa? You can do whatever you want if you put your mind to it. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:889744683] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>You really think someone who makes a good computer programming would make a good plumber and vice versa?</quote> You can do whatever you want if you put your mind to it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 11/04/17 12:40:27 PM #72:	FLUFFYGERM posted... If I wanted to stop writing code, I could quit my job and become a highly paid plumber or electrician in virtually no time at all. There's a lot of demand depending on where you live. I'm calling bullshit on this one. Likewise this idea that "IF THERE'S NO JOB NEAR YOU JUST PICK UP AND MOVE" is completely unrealistic for a large plethora of people --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:889744718] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>If I wanted to stop writing code, I could quit my job and become a highly paid plumber or electrician in virtually no time at all. There's a lot of demand depending on where you live.</quote> I'm calling bullshit on this one. Likewise this idea that "IF THERE'S NO JOB NEAR YOU JUST PICK UP AND MOVE" is completely unrealistic for a large plethora of people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MedeaLysistrata 11/04/17 12:41:18 PM #73:	FLUFFYGERM posted... There are trade schools that pay for you to be an apprentice electrician/plumber/etc. You learn while getting paid. If I wanted to stop writing code, I could quit my job and become a highly paid plumber or electrician in virtually no time at all. There's a lot of demand depending on where you live. it takes like 5 years dude, at least where i live. but you do get paid along the way. --- let's positive thinking <cite>MedeaLysistrata posted [p:889744750] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>There are trade schools that pay for you to be an apprentice electrician/plumber/etc. You learn while getting paid. If I wanted to stop writing code, I could quit my job and become a highly paid plumber or electrician in virtually no time at all. There's a lot of demand depending on where you live.</quote> it takes like 5 years dude, at least where i live. but you do get paid along the way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 11/04/17 12:41:27 PM #74:	FLUFFYGERM posted... REMercsChamp posted... You really think someone who makes a good computer programming would make a good plumber and vice versa? You can do whatever you want if you put your mind to it. Sure, thanks. I'll go make it on the pro tennis tour now. I'll just "put my mind to it" --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:889744754] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>You really think someone who makes a good computer programming would make a good plumber and vice versa?</quote> You can do whatever you want if you put your mind to it.</quote> Sure, thanks. I'll go make it on the pro tennis tour now. I'll just "put my mind to it"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 11/04/17 12:42:37 PM #75:	Have realistic expectations first. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:889744804] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote>Have realistic expectations first.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/04/17 12:43:52 PM #76:	You can definitely become a well-paid tradesman in 2 years if you work hard. I'm confident I could break $75,000 a year in Chicago within 2 years. More if I get good enough to start my own business. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:889744865] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote>You can definitely become a well-paid tradesman in 2 years if you work hard. I'm confident I could break $75,000 a year in Chicago within 2 years. More if I get good enough to start my own business.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
#77	Post #77 was unavailable or deleted.
The Great Muta 22 11/04/17 12:52:12 PM #78:	FLUFFYGERM posted... You can definitely become a well-paid tradesman in 2 years if you work hard. I'm confident I could break $75,000 a year in Chicago within 2 years. More if I get good enough to start my own business. Ah yes, the tired "muh bootstraps!" argument. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:889745259] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>You can definitely become a well-paid tradesman in 2 years if you work hard. I'm confident I could break $75,000 a year in Chicago within 2 years. More if I get good enough to start my own business.</quote> Ah yes, the tired "muh bootstraps!" argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/04/17 12:52:59 PM #79:	The Great Muta 22 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... You can definitely become a well-paid tradesman in 2 years if you work hard. I'm confident I could break $75,000 a year in Chicago within 2 years. More if I get good enough to start my own business. Ah yes, the tired "muh bootstraps!" argument. Keep whining while other people do it, then <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:889745300] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>You can definitely become a well-paid tradesman in 2 years if you work hard. I'm confident I could break $75,000 a year in Chicago within 2 years. More if I get good enough to start my own business.</quote> Ah yes, the tired "muh bootstraps!" argument.</quote> Keep whining while other people do it, then</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 11/04/17 12:54:59 PM #80:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Keep whining while other people do it, then It's not whining to point out that the idea of "You can up and do anything and be rich if you just worked harder" is inherently a simplistic and flawed way to view society and is completely ignoring the serious issues. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:889745385] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Keep whining while other people do it, then </quote> It's not whining to point out that the idea of "You can up and do anything and be rich if you just worked harder" is inherently a simplistic and flawed way to view society and is completely ignoring the serious issues.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaBreakfast 11/04/17 12:56:19 PM #81:	when right wing dudes on here talk about 'focusing more on trade jobs' what they really mean is forcing poor people into manual work that they perceive as being below people of a 'higher' class --- http://i.imgur.com/nGZeEqw.png Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:889745448] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote>when right wing dudes on here talk about 'focusing more on trade jobs' what they really mean is forcing poor people into manual work that they perceive as being below people of a 'higher' class </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 11/04/17 12:56:24 PM #82:	The Great Muta 22 posted... ignoring the serious issues. Like being a teenage mom with 6 kids in 2017 in America? --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:889745457] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>ignoring the serious issues.</quote> Like being a teenage mom with 6 kids in 2017 in America?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 11/04/17 12:56:31 PM #83:	Having a bachelors in anything but cs is basically like getting your GED these days --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:889745467] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote>Having a bachelors in anything but cs is basically like getting your GED these days</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/04/17 12:57:30 PM #84:	The Great Muta 22 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Keep whining while other people do it, then It's not whining to point out that the idea of "You can up and do anything and be rich if you just worked harder" is inherently a simplistic and flawed way to view society and is completely ignoring the serious issues. You're a broken record at this point. We were talking about the feasibility of earning a good living as an electrician or plumber. I said I'm confident I could do it within a couple of years. What part of that were you incapable of comprehending? <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:889745510] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Keep whining while other people do it, then </quote> It's not whining to point out that the idea of "You can up and do anything and be rich if you just worked harder" is inherently a simplistic and flawed way to view society and is completely ignoring the serious issues.</quote> You're a broken record at this point. We were talking about the feasibility of earning a good living as an electrician or plumber. I said I'm confident I could do it within a couple of years. What part of that were you incapable of comprehending?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/04/17 12:58:01 PM #85:	Balrog0 posted... Having a bachelors in anything but cs is basically like getting your GED these days LMAO There are all kinds of useful degrees, bruh. Accounting, nursing, most types of engineering, hell even economics. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:889745529] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>Having a bachelors in anything but cs is basically like getting your GED these days</quote> LMAO There are all kinds of useful degrees, bruh. Accounting, nursing, most types of engineering, hell even economics.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
#86	Post #86 was unavailable or deleted.
Drpooplol 11/04/17 12:59:29 PM #87:	Balrog0 posted... Having a bachelors in anything but cs is basically like getting your GED these days Are you being facetious? --- "Or do you want to know more about my vagina?" LIE "No" <cite>Drpooplol posted [p:889745611] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>Having a bachelors in anything but cs is basically like getting your GED these days</quote> Are you being facetious?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 11/04/17 1:00:26 PM #88:	Drpooplol posted... Balrog0 posted... Having a bachelors in anything but cs is basically like getting your GED these days Are you being facetious? CS grad = 100% chance of employment, gender studies = 0% --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:889745668] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>Drpooplol posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>Having a bachelors in anything but cs is basically like getting your GED these days</quote> Are you being facetious?</quote> CS grad = 100% chance of employment, gender studies = 0%</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 11/04/17 1:00:59 PM #89:	REMercsChamp posted... Like being a teenage mom with 6 kids in 2017 in America? I'm more talking about a job market that's struggling across the board, banks handing loans out like candy to students and families without the means of paying them back, rising housing costs forcing people to live at home, a crippling infrastructure... But whatever, we both know you view anyone who actually bitches about these things as "crybaby liberals working as baristas who didn't want a REAL job!" instead of acknowledging these issues effect people on every side of the political spectrum or whatever major you went to school for, so I don't expect you to give a shit about other people --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:889745698] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>Like being a teenage mom with 6 kids in 2017 in America?</quote> I'm more talking about a job market that's struggling across the board, banks handing loans out like candy to students and families without the means of paying them back, rising housing costs forcing people to live at home, a crippling infrastructure... But whatever, we both know you view anyone who actually bitches about these things as "crybaby liberals working as baristas who didn't want a REAL job!" instead of acknowledging these issues effect people on every side of the political spectrum or whatever major you went to school for, so I don't expect you to give a shit about other people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Butterfiles 11/04/17 1:01:12 PM #90:	tfw cse degree and unemployed for 9 months --- http://www.last.fm/user/PigBun 56k warning <cite>Butterfiles posted [p:889745708] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote>tfw cse degree and unemployed for 9 months</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
#91	Post #91 was unavailable or deleted.
REMercsChamp 11/04/17 1:02:38 PM #92:	The Great Muta 22 posted... REMercsChamp posted... Like being a teenage mom with 6 kids in 2017 in America? I'm more talking about a job market that's struggling across the board, banks handing loans out like candy to students and families without the means of paying them back, rising housing costs forcing people to live at home, a crippling infrastructure... But whatever, we both know you view anyone who actually bitches about these things as "crybaby liberals working as baristas who didn't want a REAL job!" instead of acknowledging these issues effect people on every side of the political spectrum or whatever major you went to school for, so I don't expect you to give a shit about other people Right - the last person who I saw as a "victim of these circumstances" was a teenage mom with 6 kids and 9 dogs. Where do we draw the line for personal accountability? --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:889745786] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>Like being a teenage mom with 6 kids in 2017 in America?</quote> I'm more talking about a job market that's struggling across the board, banks handing loans out like candy to students and families without the means of paying them back, rising housing costs forcing people to live at home, a crippling infrastructure... But whatever, we both know you view anyone who actually bitches about these things as "crybaby liberals working as baristas who didn't want a REAL job!" instead of acknowledging these issues effect people on every side of the political spectrum or whatever major you went to school for, so I don't expect you to give a shit about other people</quote> Right - the last person who I saw as a "victim of these circumstances" was a teenage mom with 6 kids and 9 dogs. Where do we draw the line for personal accountability?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 11/04/17 1:03:32 PM #93:	REMercsChamp posted... Right - the last person who I saw as a "victim of these circumstances" was a teenage mom with 6 kids and 9 dogs. Where do we draw the line for personal accountability? Your anecdotal evidence doesn't mean jack shit, frankly --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:889745839] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>Right - the last person who I saw as a "victim of these circumstances" was a teenage mom with 6 kids and 9 dogs. Where do we draw the line for personal accountability? </quote> Your anecdotal evidence doesn't mean jack shit, frankly</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaBreakfast 11/04/17 1:06:04 PM #94:	i love how these sociopaths see growingly prohibitive and harmful costs associated with university and think 'gosh, we need to make sure even LESS people do this!' --- http://i.imgur.com/nGZeEqw.png Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:889745967] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote>i love how these sociopaths see growingly prohibitive and harmful costs associated with university and think 'gosh, we need to make sure even LESS people do this!'</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 11/04/17 1:07:15 PM #95:	NinjaBreakfast posted... i love how these sociopaths see growingly prohibitive and harmful costs associated with university and think 'gosh, we need to make sure even LESS people do this!' What are you trying to say here exactly --- https://i.imgur.com/lwkIVOb.png <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:889746046] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaBreakfast posted...</cite> <quote>i love how these sociopaths see growingly prohibitive and harmful costs associated with university and think 'gosh, we need to make sure even LESS people do this!'</quote> What are you trying to say here exactly</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 11/04/17 1:08:30 PM #96:	NinjaBreakfast posted... i love how these sociopaths see growingly prohibitive and harmful costs associated with university and think 'gosh, we need to make sure even LESS people do this!' ....uh yeah you don't seem particularly bright wtf how old are you <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:889746107] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaBreakfast posted...</cite> <quote>i love how these sociopaths see growingly prohibitive and harmful costs associated with university and think 'gosh, we need to make sure even LESS people do this!'</quote> ....uh yeah you don't seem particularly bright wtf how old are you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaBreakfast 11/04/17 1:10:10 PM #97:	wow epic owns from the temporarily embarrassed billionaires of CE --- http://i.imgur.com/nGZeEqw.png Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:889746200] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote>wow epic owns from the temporarily embarrassed billionaires of CE </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teepan95 11/04/17 4:40:17 PM #98:	I've almost got my bachelor's in ChemEng The plan is Master's, then PhD, then work --- I use Gameraven and you should too. <cite>teepan95 posted [p:889757394] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote>I've almost got my bachelor's in ChemEng The plan is Master's, then PhD, then work</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Soviet_Poland 11/04/17 4:55:51 PM #99:	COVxy posted... REMercsChamp posted... Imagine going to school for 30 years and basically being a big baby and you can't even get a job after it's all over Imagine literally calling people rigorously trained in science, who likely have worked longer hours than you have for their entire careers, babies. It's REMercsChamp. He thinks my clinical rotations are fluff too, even in general surgery where I was putting in 80 hours a week doing a lot of laborious scut work like closing/suturing during surgeries, retracting, using the laparoscope, helping lift patients from beds and wheeling them around, etc. He has this notion where a student's day is walking into an office, signing a piece of paper to borrow money for daily starbucks while we shitpost tumblr and cry or something about being in debt. Regardless of field. We're all gender studies at heart. --- "He has two neurons held together by a spirochete." <cite>Soviet_Poland posted [p:889758201] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote><cite>COVxy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>REMercsChamp posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine going to school for 30 years and basically being a big baby and you can't even get a job after it's all over </quote> Imagine literally calling people rigorously trained in science, who likely have worked longer hours than you have for their entire careers, babies.</quote> It's REMercsChamp. He thinks my clinical rotations are fluff too, even in general surgery where I was putting in 80 hours a week doing a lot of laborious scut work like closing/suturing during surgeries, retracting, using the laparoscope, helping lift patients from beds and wheeling them around, etc. He has this notion where a student's day is walking into an office, signing a piece of paper to borrow money for daily starbucks while we shitpost tumblr and cry or something about being in debt. Regardless of field. We're all gender studies at heart.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
P4wn4g3 11/04/17 5:18:23 PM #100:	Can agree with OP seeing as it's the position I've found myself in. Also something that isn't ever even stated is that you can simply drop out of highschool, become a journeyman electrician and be making at least 35/hr within a couple years. That isn't possible in many of the regular career paths. Universities certainly wouldn't want you to know. --- Hive Mind of Dark Aether, the unofficial Metroid Social Private board. https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/851-dark-aether <cite>P4wn4g3 posted [p:889759294] in STEM jobs ... [t:75953856]...</cite> <quote>Can agree with OP seeing as it's the position I've found myself in. Also something that isn't ever even stated is that you can simply drop out of highschool, become a journeyman electrician and be making at least 35/hr within a couple years. That isn't possible in many of the regular career paths. Universities certainly wouldn't want you to know.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Topic List	Page List: 1, 2

Current Events > STEM jobs aren't as plentiful as they are portrayed (+) Yeah! (+)

Current Events > STEM jobs aren't as plentiful as they are portrayed