Poll of the Day > I am unable to smoke cigarettes

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They make me pretty nauseas. I try but my body just rejects them lol
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Why would you even try?
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That's too bad, maybe try some heroin?
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Well I usually smoke weed, but i need to get a job and want to pass the drug test. So i was trying to use cigs as a substitute when i get the urge, which isn't working lmao since I feel like throwing up and get sweaty every time.
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darcandkharg31 posted...

That's too bad, maybe try some heroin?

This reply killed me XD
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I'm a regular weed smoker too and whenever I use cigs as a sub I wanna throw up and feel disgusted.
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Interesting that we have the same reaction. Glad i am not alone though.
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yutterh posted...

Well I usually smoke weed, but i need to get a job and want to pass the drug test. So i was trying to use cigs as a substitute when i get the urge, which isn't working lmao since I feel like throwing up and get sweaty every time.

yeah, sounds normal.

trade one addiction for another that's just as worse.
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Weed isn't even physically addictive so it shouldn't be hard to quit cold turkey, at least until you get the job.

But anyway I would recommend to try vaping instead of cigarettes, though people get just as addicted to that shit too.
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kind9 posted...

Weed isn't even physically addictive

Not at all true.

yutterh posted...

Well I usually smoke weed, but i need to get a job and want to pass the drug test. So i was trying to use cigs as a substitute when i get the urge, which isn't working lmao since I feel like throwing up and get sweaty every time.

This is how anyone who is currently smoking starts out. You express incredulity that anyone could possibly get addicted to it. So you keep playing with that fire and sooner or later, fuck you're a smoker. Take it from me as a former chain smoker, it's not worth it.

Vape 0%

wah_wah_wah posted...

kind9 posted...

Weed isn't even physically addictive

Not at all true.

You don't suffer physical withdrawal symptoms when you go without weed. It's a mental addiction.
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kind9 posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

kind9 posted...

Weed isn't even physically addictive

Not at all true.

You don't suffer physical withdrawal symptoms when you go without weed. It's a mental addiction.

Again, not true

kind9 posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

kind9 posted...

Weed isn't even physically addictive

Not at all true.

You don't suffer physical withdrawal symptoms when you go without weed. It's a mental addiction.

Some people do suffer withdrawal

wah_wah_wah posted...

kind9 posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

kind9 posted...

Weed isn't even physically addictive

Not at all true.

You don't suffer physical withdrawal symptoms when you go without weed. It's a mental addiction.

Again, not true

Agree to disagree then. I'm not going to argue if your only response is "nuh uh".
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No, what you said is not true.

kind9 posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

kind9 posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

kind9 posted...

Weed isn't even physically addictive

Not at all true.

You don't suffer physical withdrawal symptoms when you go without weed. It's a mental addiction.

Again, not true

Agree to disagree then. I'm not going to argue if your only response is "nuh uh".

There's a wealth of research on it, you choose not to read it. Any other response is a waste of my time.

wah_wah_wah posted...

kind9 posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

kind9 posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

kind9 posted...

Weed isn't even physically addictive

Not at all true.

You don't suffer physical withdrawal symptoms when you go without weed. It's a mental addiction.

Again, not true

Agree to disagree then. I'm not going to argue if your only response is "nuh uh".

There's a wealth of research on it, you choose not to read it. Any other response is a waste of my time.

As far as I know the research shows that weed is a mental(i.e., psychological) addiction, not a physical dependence. You haven't given me an argument to the contrary so why should I do the research?

You might feel like shit for a few days but that's a far cry from breaking out in cold sweats and vomiting every 20 minutes.
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kind9 posted...

As far as I know the research shows that weed is a mental(i.e., psychological) addiction, not a physical dependence. You haven't given me an argument to the contrary so why should I do the research?

Yeah, you feel you need for me to argue with you in order for you to back up your statements with research. Again, waste of time I'm sorry.

Using a highly addictive substance as a substitute for a barely addictive one really isn't the smartest thing to do.
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kind9 posted...

You might feel like shit for a few days

I think that might be a physical symptom, but what do I know? Even if mild it's still a symptom.

I'm a heavy advocate for legalization, but both sides really need to get their facts right. Just spouting "it's a miracle plant with absolutely no downsides if legalized!!" won't convince anyone lmao

yutterh posted...

Well I usually smoke weed, but i need to get a job and want to pass the drug test. So i was trying to use cigs as a substitute when i get the urge,

man, u dumb
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I mean I'll agree that it is not as addictive as nicotine and that many have this belief that marijuana is not addictive physically at all. It is a widespread belief, even a few researchers say this (and at least one attorney general). But it's not true at all. Marijuana clearly has a physical effect that gets certain people to smoke it repeatedly out of fear of withdrawal. The loudest people against that position typically are the stoners themselves.

Have never personally found it to be the level of addictive that you might be making it out to be. Hardest part about quitting weed-- and it's not terrible-- is when you try to go to sleep without it for the first time in a while. Sometimes your body's like "Hey, where's my sleep aid? I'm not going to let you fall asleep!" That part can suck but it subsides quickly.

Can't imagine trading weed for cancer sticks. Have you tried video games or taking up a hobby? That's a favorable alternative.
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RedPixel posted...

Have never personally found it to be the level of addictive that you might be making it out to be. Hardest part about quitting weed-- and it's not terrible-- is when you try to go to sleep without it for the first time in a while. Sometimes your body's like "Hey, where's my sleep aid? I'm not going to let you fall asleep!" That part can suck but it subsides quickly.

Can't imagine trading weed for cancer sticks. Have you tried video games or taking up a hobby? That's a favorable alternative.

I think whenever you think of a drug as leaving a hole in your life that needs to be filled with something, you're basically setting yourself up to do that drug again.

Just to add some anecdotal evidence every time Ive quit weed for a period i've always gotten mental cravings but nothing physical at all. no headaches, shakes, cold hands...my body didnt feel like it was missing or needed anything. I can think of two times ive done this: when i went on vacation for two weeks and couldnt smoke. didnt care at all i didnt have any, and right now ive been two months without weed. mental cravings(which have since passed) were present but nothing physical at all.

I also used to smoke just about every night, too.

also i can agree smoking weed for fear of withdrawal. the "withdrawal" is being bored as hell without interesting stuff to do(with weed you dont need interesting stuff, stuff becomes interesting)

lol

wah_wah_wah posted...

I mean I'll agree that it is not as addictive as nicotine and that many have this belief that marijuana is not addictive physically at all. It is a widespread belief, even a few researchers say this (and at least one attorney general). But it's not true at all. Marijuana clearly has a physical effect that gets certain people to smoke it repeatedly out of fear of withdrawal. The loudest people against that position typically are the stoners themselves.

You mean a psychological effect?

Yes I was wrong to say there are no physical symptoms of withdrawal. But I can't find any research showing that marijuana can be physically/chemically addictive.
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kind9 posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

I mean I'll agree that it is not as addictive as nicotine and that many have this belief that marijuana is not addictive physically at all. It is a widespread belief, even a few researchers say this (and at least one attorney general). But it's not true at all. Marijuana clearly has a physical effect that gets certain people to smoke it repeatedly out of fear of withdrawal. The loudest people against that position typically are the stoners themselves.

You mean a psychological effect?

Yes I was wrong to say there are no physical symptoms of withdrawal. But I can't find any research showing that marijuana can be physically/chemically addictive.

It changes your brain. Like any other drug addiction when you do it more often, seek out higher dosages, other drugs.

People can become addicted to acquiring drugs, handling them, packing, grinding, smoking.

SpeeDLeemon posted...

kind9 posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

I mean I'll agree that it is not as addictive as nicotine and that many have this belief that marijuana is not addictive physically at all. It is a widespread belief, even a few researchers say this (and at least one attorney general). But it's not true at all. Marijuana clearly has a physical effect that gets certain people to smoke it repeatedly out of fear of withdrawal. The loudest people against that position typically are the stoners themselves.

You mean a psychological effect?

Yes I was wrong to say there are no physical symptoms of withdrawal. But I can't find any research showing that marijuana can be physically/chemically addictive.

It changes your brain. Like any other drug addiction when you do it more often, seek out higher dosages, other drugs.

People can become addicted to acquiring drugs, handling them, packing, grinding, smoking.

There is a difference between addiction and dependence too. Many can be dependent on weed without necessarily being addicted. That's even true of heroin and tobacco. But they do have addictive qualities.

helIy posted...

trade one addiction for another that's just as worse.

This person actually just wrote "just as worse"

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kind9 posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

kind9 posted...

Weed isn't even physically addictive

Not at all true.

You don't suffer physical withdrawal symptoms when you go without weed. It's a mental addiction.

Yes, you do suffer physical withdrawal, it's just that it is really nothing that bad. Minor insomnia, for example, is a physical withdrawal, but it'll hardly affect you unless you're very, very dependent on weed (like the tokers who toke an eighth a day and shit)
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kind9 posted...

You might feel like shit for a few days but that's a far cry from breaking out in cold sweats and vomiting every 20 minutes.

"There's no physical withdrawal from weed"

"You might feel like shit for a few days"

lol

argonautweakend posted...

also i can agree smoking weed for fear of withdrawal. the "withdrawal" is being bored as hell without interesting stuff to do(with weed you dont need interesting stuff, stuff becomes interesting)

For some, the withdrawal will affect the brain. Anxiety, depression, etc mixed in with occasional euphoria. This is a physical withdrawal as well.

It's not even remotely close to the withdrawal from drugs like heroin and no one in this topic has even mildly suggested that physical withdrawal from weed is bad at all
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wah_wah_wah posted...

RedPixel posted...

Have never personally found it to be the level of addictive that you might be making it out to be. Hardest part about quitting weed-- and it's not terrible-- is when you try to go to sleep without it for the first time in a while. Sometimes your body's like "Hey, where's my sleep aid? I'm not going to let you fall asleep!" That part can suck but it subsides quickly.

Can't imagine trading weed for cancer sticks. Have you tried video games or taking up a hobby? That's a favorable alternative.

I think whenever you think of a drug as leaving a hole in your life that needs to be filled with something, you're basically setting yourself up to do that drug again.

I can see your side of it... well said. It's also entirely mentality*, so if someone was to try something along the lines of what I suggested and they really want to quit, it can serve as a helpful transition, I think.

Edit: In some cases it's also physical, but any type of addiction more than likely started out as a mental thing before it might have become physical.

If they really aren't determined to quit-- or still like (to use) it as a guilty pleasure, then yeah it could easily just be a void that fills itself up again with that same drug/addiction. That's why so many cig smokers don't/can't find the willpower to stick it out. Same with gambling and many others.
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vicedungwinsgam posted...

kind9 posted...

You might feel like shit for a few days but that's a far cry from breaking out in cold sweats and vomiting every 20 minutes.

"There's no physical withdrawal from weed"

"You might feel like shit for a few days"

lol

vicedungwinsgam posted...

kind9 posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

kind9 posted...

Weed isn't even physically addictive

Not at all true.

You don't suffer physical withdrawal symptoms when you go without weed. It's a mental addiction.

Yes, you do suffer physical withdrawal, it's just that it is really nothing that bad. Minor insomnia, for example, is a physical withdrawal, but it'll hardly affect you unless you're very, very dependent on weed (like the tokers who toke an eighth a day and shit)

I already conceded this. Try to keep up guys. The only point I'm trying to make in this topic is that going cold turkey you will not suffer violent chemical withdrawal like you would with much harder drugs.
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RedPixel posted...

In some cases it's also physical, but any type of addiction more than likely started out as a mental thing before it might have become physical.

Part of me actually thinks any physical withdrawal symptoms involving weed are psychologically fuelled.

For me I'm usually run down because I can't sleep, then my anxiety starts creeping back and I feel like shit physically and mentally.

Still would rather deal with that than what happened when I stopped taking my Valium prescription.

I'm not addicted to it lol I just have. A habit of smoking when cool shit is about to happen in a show or I'm about to fight a epic boss fight or something. Weed just makes everything awesomer. I thought the buzz from cigs help in doing the same thing but not really lol.
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yutterh posted...

Weed just makes everything awesomer.

Holds true in my experience. Everything is more interesting, horizons feel broadened, and makes me want to do everything and nothing at the same time. Music, sex, programming, and video games just become an extra level of love for life.
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RedPixel posted...

wah_wah_wah posted...

RedPixel posted...

Have never personally found it to be the level of addictive that you might be making it out to be. Hardest part about quitting weed-- and it's not terrible-- is when you try to go to sleep without it for the first time in a while. Sometimes your body's like "Hey, where's my sleep aid? I'm not going to let you fall asleep!" That part can suck but it subsides quickly.

Can't imagine trading weed for cancer sticks. Have you tried video games or taking up a hobby? That's a favorable alternative.

I think whenever you think of a drug as leaving a hole in your life that needs to be filled with something, you're basically setting yourself up to do that drug again.

I can see your side of it... well said. It's also entirely mentality*, so if someone was to try something along the lines of what I suggested and they really want to quit, it can serve as a helpful transition, I think.

Edit: In some cases it's also physical, but any type of addiction more than likely started out as a mental thing before it might have become physical.

If they really aren't determined to quit-- or still like (to use) it as a guilty pleasure, then yeah it could easily just be a void that fills itself up again with that same drug/addiction. That's why so many cig smokers don't/can't find the willpower to stick it out. Same with gambling and many others.

I think the point is to overcome your own brainwashing about it rather than taking a stoic position on it where you see it as denying yourself a pleasure. I had to do that with cigarettes, just overcome the brainwashing that it "calmed me down" or whatever. If you think cigarettes do great things for you, then it's hard to quit. Who quits things that they believe give them enjoyment? No one.

Also I can see the point that there's no such thing as a physical addiction too, for anything. Yes if we are to look at what medical science classifies as a physical addiction, pretty much all drugs (even sugar) can have those qualities. But would it not be possible to have no physical addiction, only withdrawal symptoms? Also how does it make sense to continue to do the drug to avoid the withdrawal? The only way to stop going through withdrawal of drugs is to not do drugs. You'll always go into withdrawal of drugs while using them. Because you can't smoke all the time. You can't do heroin all the time. And nobody does that. They wait til they get the withdrawal symptoms and then start up again.

vicedungwinsgam posted...

helIy posted...

trade one addiction for another that's just as worse.

This person actually just wrote "just as worse"

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oh man good catch

smoking cigarettes doesn't even come close to how bad weed is for you
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I am thankful I don't smoke. It's like $8 for the cheapest pack where I live. I live in Illinois and they raised the taxes on cigarettes. There's also high sales tax in my area that is around 10% because of lack of state payments.
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helIy posted...

vicedungwinsgam posted...

helIy posted...

trade one addiction for another that's just as worse.

This person actually just wrote "just as worse"

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oh man good catch

smoking cigarettes doesn't even come close to how bad weed is for you

I'll bite.....how is weed worse then cigarettes?
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yutterh posted...

helIy posted...

vicedungwinsgam posted...

helIy posted...

trade one addiction for another that's just as worse.

This person actually just wrote "just as worse"

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oh man good catch

smoking cigarettes doesn't even come close to how bad weed is for you

I'll bite.....how is weed worse then cigarettes?

Would you rather ride in a car with a tobacco smoker or a weed smoker at the wheel? I know what I'd pick.

yutterh posted...

I'll bite.....how is weed worse then cigarettes?

one isn't illegal for a reason
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every time I stop blazing, I just have a hard time falling asleep and insane dreams for a week.

but it sounds like youre smoking crack if you think cigarettes are somehow a good substitute.
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helIy posted...

yutterh posted...

I'll bite.....how is weed worse then cigarettes?

one isn't illegal for a reason

lmao helly
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*haven't read rest of thread except first few posts* odd back when I smoked weed I was always able to quit without much trouble when I needed to. sure I got urges but nothing I couldn't handle. out of all the things i've done in my life its always been the easiest to quit. trust me when I say don't get into smoking. i've done drugs (not talking weed) that was easier to drop than smoking.
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wah_wah_wah posted...

Also I can see the point that there's no such thing as a physical addiction too, for anything. Yes if we are to look at what medical science classifies as a physical addiction, pretty much all drugs (even sugar) can have those qualities. But would it not be possible to have no physical addiction, only withdrawal symptoms?

This type of thinking is why I think any physical withdrawals as a result of stopping marijuana use are psychologically fuelled.

Main reason I'm pro legalization is that the laws we're signed with biased information, they were aware of the lack of unbiased documentation but did nothing, etc. It was a mess. Then again, opiates, -amphetamines, and crack/cocaine are the only drugs I feel should remain illegal.

yutterh posted...

Well I usually smoke weed, but i need to get a job and want to pass the drug test. So i was trying to use cigs as a substitute when i get the urge, which isn't working lmao since I feel like throwing up and get sweaty every time.

Have you tried vaping? That's getting me my nic fix. Don't think it'll give you the same feeling as smoking weed but apparently doing direct lung hits is like smoking a spliff. I wouldn't know anything about that though.

yutterh posted...

I'll bite.....how is weed worse then cigarettes?

How is it not? It's has a effect on your brain, can make people very paranoid and not in control of what they are doing. Cigs obviously are bad for you but you're at least in control mentally when smoking them.
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