Poll of the Day > i love nintendo but the snes and gamecube are so overrated

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smh @ this poll

smb3 >>>> smw
pm64 >>>> ttyd

What does the GameCube have to do with this poll? Also I agree that SMB3 is better than SMW, and that the GameCube is overrated, but how does one example for each system prove anything

the SNES was practically their golden age. I don't get how thats overrated. i'd say the NES was overrated over SNES. because once you venture outside the few well known good games it has, 95% of everything else sucked.
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Snes > nes
GameCube > n64

MICHALECOLE posted...

Snes > nes
GameCube > n64

I kinda agree, i'll say the N64 had better classics but gamecube had a better quantity of overall good games
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mooreandrew58 posted...

the SNES was practically their golden age. I don't get how thats overrated. i'd say the NES was overrated over SNES. because once you venture outside the few well known good games it has, 95% of everything else sucked.

As much as I love the NES, the NES Classic really highlighted for me how weak it is... or at least how weak Nintendo's own lineup is, as I obviously can't speak for the whole library. Most of those black box games were just bridging the gap from the arcade era and don't hold up well. Hell, even SMB3 is the only NES Mario game I'd truly say is essential. And the first Zelda and Metroid are pretty weak too.

pizz posted...

smb3 >>>> smw

Yeah, but LttP >>>> LoZ1 & 2
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Rockies posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

the SNES was practically their golden age. I don't get how thats overrated. i'd say the NES was overrated over SNES. because once you venture outside the few well known good games it has, 95% of everything else sucked.

As much as I love the NES, the NES Classic really highlighted for me how weak it is... or at least how weak Nintendo's own lineup is, as I obviously can't speak for the whole library. Most of those black box games were just bridging the gap from the arcade era and don't hold up well. Hell, even SMB3 is the only NES Mario game I'd truly say is essential. And the first Zelda and Metroid are pretty weak too.

the original kid icarus is pretty damn good imo. just played and beat it for the first time not too long ago. once you get over how difficult the first couple of levels are for a newbie, its pretty fun. the original zelda is one of those games it was pure amazing for its time but it didn't age well. i'll take the original super mario bros over 3 though, but thats nostalgia speaking.
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I've only played Kid Icarus in its NES Remix sections, so not very extensively, but I get the sense it's kind of a "tweener" game for that era. That is, each level seems to have a pretty arcade-y feel, but the overall game is more progression-driven. Is that an accurate assessment? I want to check it out someday but it's not high on my list

Zeus posted...

pizz posted...

smb3 >>>> smw

Yeah, but LttP >>>> LoZ1 & 2

2 is just plain bad so that's not saying much. That game had one of the worst hit boxes I have ever seen.
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Rockies posted...

I've only played Kid Icarus in its NES Remix sections, so not very extensively, but I get the sense it's kind of a "tweener" game for that era. That is, each level seems to have a pretty arcade-y feel, but the overall game is more progression-driven. Is that an accurate assessment? I want to check it out someday but it's not high on my list

its a platformer, with some minor rpg elements, you gain points for killing enemies and such, and for every so many points once you end a level you might get a health upgrade until you max out. also there are rooms to upgrade your strength and if you haven't killed enough enemies the room will just be empty. only downside is they didn't balance it well and this system makes the beginning of the game more difficult while the rest of the game just seems to get easier. also you get items that improve your capabilities but I don't think those require killing enemies or gaining points, you just have to pass a "trial" for those.

every 4th level though is a dungeon where you lose your items that I just mentioned, but in this area you can backtrack unlike other levels, and there are no insta death pitfalls, and these dungeons house the bosses.
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Worst hit boxes? What are you smoking? I can kind of see it if you're talking about some of the bosses, but that's the first time I've ever heard that complaint for that game.

I like it a lot better than the first and I think it's the more interesting of the two if you had to pick some games to show an NES neophyte, since there's nothing else in the series like it. I'd just tell them to play ALttP instead of the original since it's similar but better in every way

Rockies posted...

Worst hit boxes? What are you smoking? I can kind of see it if you're talking about some of the bosses, but that's the first time I've ever heard that complaint for that game.

I like it a lot better than the first and I think it's the more interesting of the two if you had to pick some games to show an NES neophyte, since there's nothing else in the series like it. I'd just tell them to play ALttP instead of the original since it's similar but better in every way

You missed a shitload in that game because of bad range and the monsters had a better range.
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Wow, it's like they tried to make the game challenging or something. You realize that outright missing an enemy because you're too far away with your short weapon isn't a bad hit box, right?

Rockies posted...

Wow, it's like they tried to make the game challenging or something. You realize that outright missing an enemy because you're too far away with your short weapon isn't a bad hit box, right?

the game did feel needlessly hard, but I don't recall it being hitboxes.
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I think that the first Zelda is harder, but I can see it either way. There are some things harder about one and some things harder about the other. With the first one, I just really hate how you start back with three hearts. It will always start you back in the dungeon, which is nice, but it's kind of pointless when you just have to wander back out to get a fairy. Zelda II will send you back to the start of the game when you get a game over, but at least if you die in a dungeon with some lives left, you get full health. Not to mention it keeps you in the current room instead of going back to the start of the dungeon.

Rockies posted...

I think that the first Zelda is harder, but I can see it either way. There are some things harder about one and some things harder about the other. With the first one, I just really hate how you start back with three hearts. It will always start you back in the dungeon, which is nice, but it's kind of pointless when you just have to wander back out to get a fairy. Zelda II will send you back to the start of the game when you get a game over, but at least if you die in a dungeon with some lives left, you get full health. Not to mention it keeps you in the current room instead of going back to the start of the dungeon.

combat was easier in the first, but the figuring shit out was harder. thats my opinion anyways. how the fuck was I supposed to know I had to walk up a otherwise regular looking rock wall?
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Because SPECTACLE ROCK IS AN ENTRANCE TO DEATH

I think combat was a little tighter in the second. In the first one it's clunky with that forward stab, and the later games were much better for making it an actual swing. However, it still might be easier than 2 since you get to use your items

Rockies posted...

Because SPECTACLE ROCK IS AN ENTRANCE TO DEATH

I think combat was a little tighter in the second. In the first one it's clunky with that forward stab, and the later games were much better for making it an actual swing. However, it still might be easier than 2 since you get to use your items

1 was more simplistic as to why it was easier for me, you didn't have to worry with jumping ducking etc. just swing your sword and walk out of the way of attacks/do nothing if its a projectile

combat in 2 also felt more quick paced.
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Rockies posted...

Wow, it's like they tried to make the game challenging or something. You realize that outright missing an enemy because you're too far away with your short weapon isn't a bad hit box, right?

You mean when they treat a sword like a tiny blade at point blank range?
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SNES was awesome and cant be overrated.
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TLoZ2, TP, and SS were the best Zelda games.

Cum at me.

Yellow posted...

TLoZ2, TP, and SS were the best Zelda games.

Cum at me.

If you want someone to take that
bait, you really shouldn't be so obvious about it
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Yellow posted...

TLoZ2, TP, and SS were the best Zelda games.

Cum at me.

If you want someone to take that
bait, you really shouldn't be so obvious about it

I agree with the TP part. other than the forced wolf segments.
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

If you want someone to take that
bait, you really shouldn't be so obvious about it

Lol.

TLoZ2 was more fluid than any other Zelda game and took the most skill. It had a cool leveling up system and tons of things to unlock. All other Zelda games play themselves.

TP had the coolest theme and you couldn't beat that atmosphere. It had all the basics needed plus a bunch of filler you had to chug through.

SS had a really cool art style and the game was fun. The area reuse wasn't as bad as people say it is. It was BotW except it had more of a soul.

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WW was bland and I can't finish it to this day.

LTTP and it's 3DS sequel were boring as actual fuck and I can't imagine how anyone can deal with that boring dated gameplay.

LoZ1 was is so antiquaa

I had to kill a centipede in the middle of typing that. Fucking gross. LoZ1 is so antiquated it might as well be an Atari game.

Also Spider-man 3 wasn't that bad, and The Avengers annoyed me. I couldn't stomach The Lego Movie. Daredevil the movie was pretty good and I don't get why people don't like it.

This fucking guy
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jayj350 posted...

This fucking guy

I have to deal with this all the time because I'm not as old as everyone else here.

To me, Pokemon Ruby was the best.

Yellow posted...

jayj350 posted...

This fucking guy

I have to deal with this all the time because I'm not as old as everyone else here.

To me, Pokemon Ruby was the best.

i'm pushing 30 and I agreed on the TP part,, but didn't you say zelda 2 also?

never played SS didn't own a wii
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mooreandrew58 posted...

i'm pushing 30 and I agreed on the TP part,, but didn't you say zelda 2 also?

Yeah but to be fair I grew up with the GBA port, so I've got the goggles.

Yellow posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

i'm pushing 30 and I agreed on the TP part,, but didn't you say zelda 2 also?

Yeah but to be fair I grew up with the GBA port, so I've got the goggles.

ah ok. its a ok game but its long been considered the "black sheep" of the franchise because its vastly different from the normal zelda formula.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

because once you venture outside the few well known good games it has, 95% of everything else sucked.

So basically all "good" Nintendo consoles. gotcha!
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Yellow posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

i'm pushing 30 and I agreed on the TP part,, but didn't you say zelda 2 also?

Yeah but to be fair I grew up with the GBA port, so I've got the goggles.

ah ok. its a ok game but its long been considered the "black sheep" of the franchise because its vastly different from the normal zelda formula.

I wouldn't call it a black sheep because of different game play. I already explained the issues with the game in this thread.
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i will agree gamecube games are overrated. but don't touch my snes games that all of them feel almost the same, they just have different themes.

I can't htink of a really great gamecube game that defines gamecube. I didn't like windwaker, mario sunshine was aweful. Mario Kart was boring and adding 2 people didn't really change up the game as much as i wanted it to. i guess resident evil 4 but that got ported to everything including my iphone. I guess enteral darkness and F Zero, but both were cult hits and not very mainstream.
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Melee and Metroid Prime are obviously the defining games of the console. But I agree with you about Mario and Zelda. Those two series are the main appeal for any Nintendo console IMO, and they were both such a huge step down from N64.

The Gamecube is overrated? Isn't that like the most disliked Nintendo console?
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How is GameCube overrated? Pretty much everyone shits on that console and says it's the worst one.

I think people shit on the Wii and the Wii U more

OhhhJa posted...

How is GameCube overrated? Pretty much everyone shits on that console and says it's the worst one.

Yep.

Even if you aren't old enough to have been aware of what was happening in the industry back then, you can do a bit of research and plainly see how the GameCube was trounced by the ps2 all throughout it's life cycle.
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Rockies posted...

I think people shit on the Wii and the Wii U more

I'd say they had more of mixed reception of some ssying they were great and some saying they're the worst. Maybe there are some nostalgia goggles on nowadays for the GameCube but the most praise it ever really got back in the day was "meh."

Revelation34 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

Yellow posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

i'm pushing 30 and I agreed on the TP part,, but didn't you say zelda 2 also?

Yeah but to be fair I grew up with the GBA port, so I've got the goggles.

ah ok. its a ok game but its long been considered the "black sheep" of the franchise because its vastly different from the normal zelda formula.

I wouldn't call it a black sheep because of different game play. I already explained the issues with the game in this thread.

i'm far from the only person to call it the black sheep. difference being is I did actually enjoy the game.
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SNES is way better than NES. And I don't believe GC was overrated at all. While N64 had some amazing games, I believe GC had a stronger core of solid games. As far as SNES vs. NES goes, SNES had some of the most legendary games ever. It was the staple for RPG's of its time and great action/adventure titles really solidified its place in history. N64 only had a handful of fantastic titles.
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Thirty3_1Third posted...

SNES is way better than NES. And I don't believe GC was overrated at all. While N64 had some amazing games, I believe GC had a stronger core of solid games. As far as SNES vs. NES goes, SNES had some of the most legendary games ever. It was the staple for RPG's of its time and great action/adventure titles really solidified its place in history. N64 only had a handful of fantastic titles.

yeah a large chunk of peoples favorite entries in one series or another was on SNES super mario world, zelda a link to the past, super metroid, final fantasy 6. chrono trigger and i'm sure the list goes on. also games like Street fighter 2 took off on the snes
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MacrossSpecial posted...

Yep.

Even if you aren't old enough to have been aware of what was happening in the industry back then, you can do a bit of research and plainly see how the GameCube was trounced by the ps2 all throughout it's life cycle.

That was only because the GameCube barely had any RPGs.
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Revelation34 posted...

MacrossSpecial posted...

Yep.

Even if you aren't old enough to have been aware of what was happening in the industry back then, you can do a bit of research and plainly see how the GameCube was trounced by the ps2 all throughout it's life cycle.

That was only because the GameCube barely had any RPGs.

thats also when the core gamer group had gotten into their early to mid teens and was wanting "mature" games. and felt nintendo was too kiddy.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Revelation34 posted...

MacrossSpecial posted...

Yep.

Even if you aren't old enough to have been aware of what was happening in the industry back then, you can do a bit of research and plainly see how the GameCube was trounced by the ps2 all throughout it's life cycle.

That was only because the GameCube barely had any RPGs.

thats also when the core gamer group had gotten into their early to mid teens and was wanting "mature" games. and felt nintendo was too kiddy.

I got the GameCube late so I never even got to play some of the games due to being hard to find. At least I got Skies of Arcadia.
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Revelation34 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

Revelation34 posted...

MacrossSpecial posted...

Yep.

Even if you aren't old enough to have been aware of what was happening in the industry back then, you can do a bit of research and plainly see how the GameCube was trounced by the ps2 all throughout it's life cycle.

That was only because the GameCube barely had any RPGs.

thats also when the core gamer group had gotten into their early to mid teens and was wanting "mature" games. and felt nintendo was too kiddy.

I got the GameCube late so I never even got to play some of the games due to being hard to find. At least I got Skies of Arcadia.

I got it first. that was the only gen I got every game console though. the xbox was the first console I ever bought with my own money. I was only 13 I think but my mom said no, and I really wanted it, so I made it happen.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

I got it first. that was the only gen I got every game console though. the xbox was the first console I ever bought with my own money. I was only 13 I think but my mom said no, and I really wanted it, so I made it happen.

I didn't have an xbox and I wish I hadn't gotten an Xbox 360 since I only got it for Vesperia. I would have waited and got a PS3 had I known. I think I got the GameCube for $99.
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Revelation34 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

I got it first. that was the only gen I got every game console though. the xbox was the first console I ever bought with my own money. I was only 13 I think but my mom said no, and I really wanted it, so I made it happen.

I didn't have an xbox and I wish I hadn't gotten an Xbox 360 since I only got it for Vesperia. I would have waited and got a PS3 had I known. I think I got the GameCube for $99.

the xbox was allright, it became my music player though, I must have had a few thousands songs stored on the thing, and never had issues with not having enough memory for anything.

hell half the songs I had on the thing I didn't even listen to, just had a bad habit of loading entire CDs instead of just the one song I wanted. and if friends ever brought a CD over i'd load it if I liked it or not just so there would be music they enjoy when they came to hang out.
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I did the same with both the Xbox and the 360. It was nice being able to play my own music in games like I could with the PC.

I remember buying the Xbox with my friend on a whim. We were both stuck in the barracks with duty for the weekend and we're bored senseless, went to the px and dropped like $700 on an Xbox and a bunch of games.
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