Board 8 > Fire Emblem Heroes Discussion Topic Part 11: The Holy War Is Nigh!

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5* Abel
4* Titania
4* Eliwood
4* Cecilia

...it's pretty bad.
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BowLyn the best. I was thinking the next best unit for Summoner Support would be BK, but Lyn still laughs in his face. She is definitely the best unit right now.
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BowLyn would be absolutely fine if it weren't for her B Skill.

But that makes her completely impervious to so many things that should be counters.
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Yeah without that her physical squishiness actually matters. As it is the only things that can counterattack her to a level where killing her on the counter is likely are daggers and bows. But daggers are underpowered so it's really just bows

Another part of the problem is that even if you bait her with a unit with the intent to not just counter attack her dead but walk up and hit her next turn, so many maps exist where the only way to reliably achieve that is to do it with a flier. Which is of course impossible to tank a bow user with.

Think I'm going to give Takumi Bowbreaker just so I have another Bow Lyn counter for Arena Assault
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And if you plan on tanking her in order to walk up and hit her the next turn, half the time she ends up being repositioned/swapped away
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Me: I should upgrade that DD seal now.

Red Great Badges: 779
Colorless Great Badges: 642
Green Great Badges: 469
Blue Great Badges: 227

Oh.
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Yea, I'm going ham on training tower when it gives out blue badges.
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I think my arena score is 4826, but can't confirm right now. Do you guys think that should be good enough to get me into tier 20? I realized I should have swapped Ryoma with BK for a higher score.
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That's typically good enough, but I'm not sure what the cutoff is this week. The cutoff may be rising as people upgrade their seals.
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Yea, it's easier to get a high score when you have a 5* dancer. I will need to upgrade Olivia at some point. I really don't want to 5* any of the Askr trio unless it's the last resort.
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Seriously though why is the Reinhardt counter also a damn horse

This game's horse love affair has gotta go
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you mean Sigurd? he's not really even a Reinhardt counter. give Rein swordbreaker and gg. Deirdre is a much better counter to him.
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Why would you run swordbreaker on Reinhardt though. Is he really going to need it to kill anyone but Sigurd?
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Got 5* Sheena as my freebie

Feels bad, man

Might literally send her home for 1000 feathers. She doesn't even have any good 5* skills to inherit.
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Arya looks broken in a special way that no unit in this game has ever been before. Like, jesus dude. >_>
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So about this Arden fellow...

Assuming the wiki is accurate.

+ 5 Hp
+ 1 Att
Tied speed
+3 Def
-8 Res

Compared to Zephiel. Geez
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Xiahou Shake posted...

Arya looks broken in a special way that no unit in this game has ever been before. Like, jesus dude. >_>

Umbreon posted...

So about this Arden fellow...

Assuming the wiki is accurate.

+ 5 Hp
+ 1 Att
Tied speed
+3 Def
-8 Res

Compared to Zephiel. Geez

Who are these people?
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the new non-banner units in the paralogue.
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Only thing I know about Ayra is that I want her. Pretty much outclasses my Athena :(
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I'm curious if she doubles every unit in the game when attacking (assuming no Wary Fighter, etc.).
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Terastodon posted...

I'm curious if she doubles every unit in the game when attacking (assuming no Wary Fighter, etc.).

The highest base speed in the game is Lon'qu at 39. Ayra has 37, +3 with her sword, +4 when attacking via Swift Sparrow, which would put her at 44. That doubles him. So...yeah.
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pulled a third celica and tailtiu on the same 5 pull

satisfaction level: 33%
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KamikazePotato posted...

Terastodon posted...

I'm curious if she doubles every unit in the game when attacking (assuming no Wary Fighter, etc.).

The highest base speed in the game is Lon'qu at 39. Ayra has 37, +3 with her sword, +4 when attacking via Swift Sparrow, which would put her at 44. That doubles him. So...yeah.

the fact that she can double every neutral non-merged unit with no skills is nice and all but in practice she's going to need some support to double the fastest stuff. she can't double Lon'qu or Hana with their default skills, or a bunch of the fliers, mages and other sword users with their typical setups. but yeah good luck avoiding the double once you give her a +3 spd seal and Lancina as an ally.
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Managed to get Tailtiu within 30ish orb. +Res - Att unfortunately, but Bladetomes suffer less from that at least.
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i got Fir with my free pull and backed out. and got my first Klein going back to the dancer banner. -atk so definitely safe to fodder, though i'm not sure who i want to give him to yet. Hinoka is the only character i use much that would benefit from it, but i feel like she'd be better off with life & death. i suppose i could start building Est or Cherche. i have enough Ests to make a 4*+7 now.

unfortunately 29 really starts getting to the low side for attack. not much better than a 4*+10 Odin at that point. but yeah it's usable. i used -atk Linde all the time without fury, so Tailtiu with fury would be equal to that (though without the spd benefit mine had). and you're likely to eventually pull a better one at 4* to merge with.
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Can't decide if I want Swordbreaker or Green Tomebreaker on Y.Tiki right now.

Both Deirdre and Sigurd are going to be very relevant next arena season. Unfortunately I only have Fury 2 on her instead of 3.

(+Spd, -Def btw)
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can't +spd YTiki double Deirdre regardless? i guess not if she has fury 3 and you only have fury 2. i'd probably just use the spd+1 seal and swordbreaker.
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Think this banner is the first unabashed example of power creep we've gotten, for the simple reason that Sigurd and Ayra have inflated stat totals for absolutely no reasion. They both have the 'trainee' bonus despite not being trainees in the game, giving them +5 to overall stat totals when compared with other members of their class. This wouldn't be so bad except that they also have legendary weapons with special abilities AND inherent stat bonus passives, in addition to being 'trainees'. That's unprecedented.

It's weird because Deirdre and Arden aren't inflated in this way. I could almost understand Sigurd (even though no other lord has gottent his treatment), but Ayra? Guess she's the entire dev team's waifu. Regardless, this is pretty worrying.
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I honestly don't mind power creep, conceptually, assuming they know what they're doing.

It's kinda necessary to continue to give people incentives to draw, but the big worrying thing is that earlier released units begin to become straight up obsolete the further the power creep goes.

So basically what they need to do is introduce some sorta way to buff those older characters further than currently allowed. Even if you gotta do something like feed them a 5* banner unit or something to do so.

My main worry is they don't actually realize what is actually balanced and not. Things like Hone Cavalry existing, Lyn's B skill, etc etc are way more concerning than increased stat totals-- particularly because that makes me have lower faith that they'll actually implement something to deobsoleteify (this is a word) old units.
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Stat totals worry me more than abilities because abilities can be worked around. Hone Cavalry is oppressive but at least they're releasing stuff like Panic Ploy as a universal seal. There's always Gronnwolf too if you want to get specific. You can't do anything about stats though. Sigurd has 11 more BST than Jagen does and that's how it will always be. I don't want stuff like that to become the new standard.

Lyn's B skill is pretty awful though, yes.
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I could handwave power creep on Sigurd considering the dude is as beastly of a man as Fire Emblem has ever seen, but Arya is a real head scratcher. Like, they even gave her a legendary weapon with absolutely no basis beyond wanting her to have one.
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KamikazePotato posted...

Sigurd has 11 more BST than Jagen does and that's how it will always be

Not necessarily. As I said there could in time be ways to up BSTs or give exclusive weapons and skills to older units. Like +s or a form of skill inheritance, but exclusive to specific older units. Possibly fueled by rare draws on newer banners in some way.

However the less they understand or show any desire to balance their game, the less likely this is to actually happen. Which is what's more concerning to me. It's one thing to give Sigurd 11 more BST than Jagen and do this knowingly. Then at least maybe you'd think "okay maybe they'll fix this at some point." It's another to give him that and not realize what the implications of that are as it relates to viability of older units.
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I mean hell you wouldn't even necessarily have to introduce a new mechanic to balance the BST at least.

Give Jagen the ability to go up to +15 instead of +10. Suddenly his potential BST is about equal to Sigurd if you max out his potential. Yeah it's more investment but I would still be completely fine with this.

Now that's still kinda lame if there is no other way to enhance him with exclusive skills or weapons, but BST at least isn't a big deal imo.
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Nope, still cant get into tier 20 because IS likes to layer this game with absolute BS. I just want arena to burn in hell right now.
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Experimenting with a team with Fae and Male Robin. Gave them both Quick Riposte and gave Fae Lightning Breath. Both tear apart Lyn/Rein and have surprisingly strong coverage against other units. 3rd would be a random strong sword (probably Ike), and 4th I'm still deciding on.
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barreldragon88 posted...

Nope, still cant get into tier 20 because IS likes to layer this game with absolute BS. I just want arena to burn in hell right now.

Yeah it can get frustrating at times.

What's your main team?
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KamikazePotato posted...

Stat totals worry me more than abilities because abilities can be worked around. Hone Cavalry is oppressive but at least they're releasing stuff like Panic Ploy as a universal seal. There's always Gronnwolf too if you want to get specific. You can't do anything about stats though. Sigurd has 11 more BST than Jagen does and that's how it will always be. I don't want stuff like that to become the new standard.

Lyn's B skill is pretty awful though, yes.

For what it's worth, they haven't introduced any new "veteran" units with lower stats so maybe they realized it wasn't a good idea similar to how they stopped releasing staff units. Although, I imagine Marcus will eventually get the veteran treatment.
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Ryoma, Inigo, Hector, and BowLyn when the season started, swapped Inigo with PA Azura when i got her. I realized too late i should have switched Ryoma with BK and didnt have enough time today to do a perfect run because i was having terrible luck with AA. Ive been screwed over by WoM so many times youd think i would pay attention to it, but i still dont.
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Is BowLyn absolutely vital to your team? Granted a horse with a legendary weapon will drag your score down less than other horses....

But Yeah, Black Knight was fantastic for me as well. And yeah Wings of (no)Mercy is so troll so it's just about being properly paranoid.
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She does counter just about every meta-relevant unit, so yes, she is vital.
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She even counters herself. What a "great" unit.
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BowLyn's existence is 80% of the reason I'm considering adding Male Robin to my arena team.

Really though, I think Male Robin is criminally underrated. He's not a flashy OHKO guy but he's extremely dependable and walls off basically every colorless and red unit in the game (and actually can OHKO with Quick Riposte + bait). I feel like every time there's a meta shift he eventually emerges as a strong counterpick to something.
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Remember when Gamepedia(?) said "Raventome builds are dead" because of CA?

Good times.
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Yeah I think both of the Robins are pretty underrated units. Kinda tanky mages are pretty okay as long as they're not Henry/Odin tier where they can't actually do any damage.

Male Robin is better cause you can actually give him a nature and his starting skillset is better, but Female Robin is Green which is pretty nice given the current state of things.
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Raven users in general are great right now. I'd use Cecilia more if she didn't drag down my arena score. Nowi is pretty good too, and might not even need bowbreaker.

I've gone to the dark side and been using bow Lyn in the arena to counter herself. It feels like easy mode. I hardly ever lose anyone in the arena anymore
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Female Robin is the best anti-Reinhardt unit in the game and she's great against fighting cavalry teams. If you have a Bowbreaker to throw on her, she massacres BowLyn as well. With that said, she's not very good outside of that niche and you do fight non-cavalry teams every now and then, and in those situations she's not very good. Still think she's pretty good overall.

My Male Robin is +Def -Res and he barely takes damage from colorless or red physical units. It's nice to be able to stick a mage in the front line as a temporary tank and laugh as he lives through Black Luna (overall he's my best anti-Black Knight unit, which helps a lot because that guy is seen a lot). He struggles against red mages, but those are pretty rare and he still tends to beat them. The only one I've ever had trouble with is Celica.
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Robin's res is a tad low out of the box to feel totally safe so she needs a little investment to be a rock solid reinhardt counter. You do need a little investment so Reinhardt OHKOing her isn't a concern, but she'll kill him dead for sure if she survives.

I think running her with distant def 3 on A (and the seal too for ultimate hosing) will make her pretty amazing. That's my goal. Thing is I've almost gotten attached to Celica so I'm not sure I'm going to sacrifice her immediately. Need more distant def units please.
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If your only concern is surviving Reinhardt, Deflect Magic Level 1 or 2 should be more than enough I think.
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Oh yeah. Forgot about that.

I mean I kinda want super high troll defense just for fun times in general (hell yeah +32 damage Ignis let's do this) but that seems like a solid stopgap till then.

Ignis btw is a big part of why I think Robins are underrated. With quick riposte it's pretty easy to get one of those up after surviving one fight, so the low base damage is less of a big deal. So you can easily ace two fighters with one Robin if you bait the right fight.
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If only MRobin wouldn't tank your score.
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