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hockeybub89
10/11/17 1:14:43 AM
#51:


Paragon21XX posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
If most people in these positions to offer service disagree with this then what are you worried about?

This isn't a real question. I refuse to believe it.

They can deny service and then lose money while the person that agrees to offer service makes even more money.

In the end the only person really losing is the bigot

Not seeing the problem here

Welp guess the Civil Rights movement was for nothing then!

"My feelings! the logic is triggering me!"

The logic of rolling back civil rights of people if their existence makes people of certain religions feel icky.

Still better than the logic behind telling someone that they have the choice of either violating their conscience because society is using governments to punish people for sticking with their sincere morals or leave their profession behind, many which have been in it long before same-sex marriage was declared legal and are incapable of doing something new.

I'm sure you share the same support for SJWs. Safe spaces for all. Can't be telling people that they need to learn how to deal with people or be SOL. Muh feelings.
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hockeybub89
10/11/17 1:16:51 AM
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Crazyman93 posted...
joeywheeler posted...
This law allows hotels, ER doctors, business owners, and even pediatricians to legally deny services to hardworking LGBTQ families in Mississippi, despite the fact that such blatant discrimination flies in the face of Mississippi and American values.

Fine, they can turn away business, but anyone in the medical profession should be stripped of their license for refusing anyone. "First, do no harm."

"First, do no harm, unless your god tells you that person is a heathen."
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Paragon21XX
10/11/17 1:29:14 AM
#53:


hockeybub89 posted...
Paragon21XX posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
The logic of rolling back civil rights of people if their existence makes people of certain religions feel icky.

Still better than the logic behind telling someone that they have the choice of either violating their conscience because society is using governments to punish people for sticking with their sincere morals or leave their profession behind, many which have been in it long before same-sex marriage was declared legal and are incapable of doing something new.

I'm sure you share the same support for SJWs. Safe spaces for all. Can't be telling people that they need to learn how to deal with people or be SOL. Muh feelings.

As long as it's held in private or reserved areas and not taking over public spaces without making it accessible to everyone else, I don't give a fuck about adult children's safe spaces. Taking over a public area without rights to exclusivity and keeping the public out is where I draw the line.

hockeybub89 posted...
Crazyman93 posted...
joeywheeler posted...
This law allows hotels, ER doctors, business owners, and even pediatricians to legally deny services to hardworking LGBTQ families in Mississippi, despite the fact that such blatant discrimination flies in the face of Mississippi and American values.

Fine, they can turn away business, but anyone in the medical profession should be stripped of their license for refusing anyone. "First, do no harm."

"First, do no harm, unless your god tells you that person is a heathen."

Since no one seems to know how to look up the text of a law in this topic and read it for themselves, here's the relevant section of text for the above posts.
The state government shall not take any discriminatory action against a person wholly or partially on the basis that the person declines to participate in the provision of treatments, counseling, or surgeries related to sex reassignment or gender identity transitioning or declines to participate in the provision of psychological, counseling, or fertility services based upon a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction described in Section 2 of this act. This subsection (4) shall not be construed to allow any person to deny visitation, recognition of a designated representative for health care decision-making, or emergency medical treatment necessary to cure an illness or injury as required by law.

General (i.e. not related to gender transitioning matters) medical providers can't turn away anyone under this law. The GLAAD spokesperson is simply either mistaken, lying, or never actually read the bill and made shit up.
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DarkChozoGhost
10/11/17 1:34:00 AM
#54:


Paragon21XX posted...
The state government shall not take any discriminatory action against a person wholly or partially on the basis that the person declines to participate in the provision of treatments, counseling, or surgeries related to sex reassignment or gender identity transitioning or declines to participate in the provision of psychological, counseling, or fertility services based upon a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction described in Section 2 of this act. This subsection (4) shall not be construed to allow any person to deny visitation, recognition of a designated representative for health care decision-making, or emergency medical treatment necessary to cure an illness or injury as required by law.

This could be used to allow doctors to refuse prenatal care to pregnant lesbians.
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Paragon21XX
10/11/17 1:48:02 AM
#55:


DarkChozoGhost posted...
Paragon21XX posted...
The state government shall not take any discriminatory action against a person wholly or partially on the basis that the person declines to participate in the provision of treatments, counseling, or surgeries related to sex reassignment or gender identity transitioning or declines to participate in the provision of psychological, counseling, or fertility services based upon a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction described in Section 2 of this act. This subsection (4) shall not be construed to allow any person to deny visitation, recognition of a designated representative for health care decision-making, or emergency medical treatment necessary to cure an illness or injury as required by law.

This could be used to allow doctors to refuse prenatal care to pregnant lesbians.

I'm thinking it is more targeted to those needing in vitro fertilization or similar than pregnancy care.
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DarkChozoGhost
10/11/17 1:55:13 AM
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Paragon21XX posted...
DarkChozoGhost posted...
Paragon21XX posted...
The state government shall not take any discriminatory action against a person wholly or partially on the basis that the person declines to participate in the provision of treatments, counseling, or surgeries related to sex reassignment or gender identity transitioning or declines to participate in the provision of psychological, counseling, or fertility services based upon a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction described in Section 2 of this act. This subsection (4) shall not be construed to allow any person to deny visitation, recognition of a designated representative for health care decision-making, or emergency medical treatment necessary to cure an illness or injury as required by law.

This could be used to allow doctors to refuse prenatal care to pregnant lesbians.

I'm thinking it is more targeted to those needing in vitro fertilization or similar than pregnancy care.

And it is wrong to allow such discrimination.
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hockeybub89
10/11/17 2:12:09 AM
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I have a question. If this kind of stuff is passed, does that mean it will be illegal for LGBT people to circumvent these restrictions? I mean, that's how it worked in the Jim Crow era.
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Giblet_Enjoyer
10/11/17 2:17:13 AM
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RockRapDubstep posted...
Giblet_Enjoyer posted...
This is why I left conservatism

If you agreed with conservative fiscal policy and other social issues why would things like this one make you change that?

I'm just doing that thing conservatives always do when liberals do stupid shit, I was never actually conservative lol
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GhostOfTrayvon
10/11/17 2:24:04 AM
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joeywheeler posted...
GhostOfTrayvon posted...
How are any of these businesses going to know your gay? The average person doesn't go around flaunting their sexuality in public.


Youre despicable

Asking a question is despicable? "Don't question my agenda or i'll slander you"
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MaverickXeo
10/11/17 2:27:20 AM
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I support being able to choose who you serve; however when said person is in a field like healthcare (or other 'public' fields), that is a different story.
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joeywheeler
10/11/17 2:34:58 AM
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GhostOfTrayvon posted...
joeywheeler posted...
GhostOfTrayvon posted...
How are any of these businesses going to know your gay? The average person doesn't go around flaunting their sexuality in public.


Youre despicable

Asking a question is despicable? "Don't question my agenda or i'll slander you"


Youre basically saying gay people should stay in the closet.

Myself and many gay people are fed up with this flaunt your sexuality why do we have to know youre gay s***

Something tells me you know this already and are trolling tho
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GhostOfTrayvon
10/11/17 2:42:49 AM
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joeywheeler posted...
Youre basically saying gay people should stay in the closet.

I never said this.

joeywheeler posted...
Myself and many gay people are fed up with this flaunt your sexuality why do we have to know youre gay s***

Its an honest question.

If you walk in a shop and go to purchase something how would the cashier know to deny you on the grounds of being gay unless you specifically state you are in some way?
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joeywheeler
10/11/17 2:49:03 AM
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GhostOfTrayvon posted...
joeywheeler posted...
Youre basically saying gay people should stay in the closet.

I never said this.

joeywheeler posted...
Myself and many gay people are fed up with this flaunt your sexuality why do we have to know youre gay s***

Its an honest question.

If you walk in a shop and go to purchase something how would the cashier know to deny you on the grounds of being gay unless you specifically state you are in some way?


You cant be serious. Goodnight
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GhostOfTrayvon
10/11/17 2:52:00 AM
#64:


joeywheeler posted...
You cant be serious. Goodnight

So you can't answer the question. Gotcha.
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Nightmare_Luna
10/11/17 3:22:06 AM
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doesn't that violate some federal law
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ClockworkHare
10/11/17 3:34:15 AM
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joeywheeler posted...
It's now legal to discriminate against gay people in Mississippi

Oh okay, so nothing's changed.

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Patty_Fleur
10/11/17 3:37:03 AM
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Good job Mississippi for protecting religious freedom. It's not popular but it's the right thing to do.
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joeywheeler
10/11/17 9:41:43 AM
#68:


GhostOfTrayvon posted...
joeywheeler posted...
You cant be serious. Goodnight

So you can't answer the question. Gotcha.


I was only the one to take your weak bait. Notice how no one else responded to your s***. My mistake
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lww99
10/11/17 9:44:31 AM
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LordRazziel
10/11/17 9:54:30 AM
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@glitteringfairy posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
If most people in these positions to offer service disagree with this then what are you worried about?

This isn't a real question. I refuse to believe it.

They can deny service and then lose money while the person that agrees to offer service makes even more money.

In the end the only person really losing is the bigot

Not seeing the problem here

You dont see a problem with an ER doctor refusing to treat a dying man because he's gay?
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Funkydog
10/11/17 9:57:33 AM
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glitteringfairy
10/11/17 9:58:34 AM
#74:


LordRazziel posted...
@glitteringfairy posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
If most people in these positions to offer service disagree with this then what are you worried about?

This isn't a real question. I refuse to believe it.

They can deny service and then lose money while the person that agrees to offer service makes even more money.

In the end the only person really losing is the bigot

Not seeing the problem here

You dont see a problem with an ER doctor refusing to treat a dying man because he's gay?

Judging from shat was previously posted, the people that would actually discriminate are in the minority. If someone refuses you simply get another doctor. Now if this hospital only has one doctor in the whole building then that would be a problem but I don't even see how that's possible
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haloiscoolisbak
10/11/17 9:59:52 AM
#75:


GhostOfTrayvon posted...
joeywheeler posted...
You cant be serious. Goodnight

So you can't answer the question. Gotcha.


i'll answer for him. some people have working gaydars and make a guess about someone's sexuality from their mannerisms. there.
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LordRazziel
10/11/17 10:05:10 AM
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glitteringfairy posted...
LordRazziel posted...
@glitteringfairy posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
If most people in these positions to offer service disagree with this then what are you worried about?

This isn't a real question. I refuse to believe it.

They can deny service and then lose money while the person that agrees to offer service makes even more money.

In the end the only person really losing is the bigot

Not seeing the problem here

You dont see a problem with an ER doctor refusing to treat a dying man because he's gay?

Judging from shat was previously posted, the people that would actually discriminate are in the minority. If someone refuses you simply get another doctor. Now if this hospital only has one doctor in the whole building then that would be a problem but I don't even see how that's possible

There are al sorts of scenario in which someone could just be denied treatment. Even if they are unlikely, it is still completely unacceptable.
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DarkChozoGhost
10/11/17 10:47:30 AM
#78:


glitteringfairy posted...

Judging from shat was previously posted, the people that would actually discriminate are in the minority. If someone refuses you simply get another doctor. Now if this hospital only has one doctor in the whole building then that would be a problem but I don't even see how that's possible

It could be the best doctor for the job, it could be the only doctor on call, other doctors could be busy. It doesn't fucking matter. It is unacceptable to allow this sort of discrimination
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Ammonitida
10/11/17 11:08:37 AM
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Christian sharia law, folks. But let's fear monger over Muslims instead.
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joeywheeler
10/11/17 11:11:51 AM
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Ammonitida posted...
Christian sharia law, folks. But let's fear monger over Muslims instead.
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Mike_Stanton
10/11/17 11:22:08 AM
#81:


glitteringfairy posted...
LordRazziel posted...
@glitteringfairy posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
If most people in these positions to offer service disagree with this then what are you worried about?

This isn't a real question. I refuse to believe it.

They can deny service and then lose money while the person that agrees to offer service makes even more money.

In the end the only person really losing is the bigot

Not seeing the problem here

You dont see a problem with an ER doctor refusing to treat a dying man because he's gay?

Judging from shat was previously posted, the people that would actually discriminate are in the minority. If someone refuses you simply get another doctor. Now if this hospital only has one doctor in the whole building then that would be a problem but I don't even see how that's possible

So by that same logic, is it safe to say that you'd be okay with doctors discriminating based on race? I mean, black people can always find a different doctor, right?
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TiamatKiller
10/11/17 11:26:07 AM
#82:


Patty_Fleur posted...
Good job Mississippi for protecting religious freedom. It's not popular but it's the right thing to do.


Tagged for supporting legal discrimination.
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Balrog0
10/11/17 11:27:31 AM
#83:


Paragon21XX posted...
Since no one seems to know how to look up the text of a law in this topic and read it for themselves, here's the relevant section of text for the above posts.
The state government shall not take any discriminatory action against a person wholly or partially on the basis that the person declines to participate in the provision of treatments, counseling, or surgeries related to sex reassignment or gender identity transitioning or declines to participate in the provision of psychological, counseling, or fertility services based upon a sincerely held religious belief or moral conviction described in Section 2 of this act. This subsection (4) shall not be construed to allow any person to deny visitation, recognition of a designated representative for health care decision-making, or emergency medical treatment necessary to cure an illness or injury as required by law.

General (i.e. not related to gender transitioning matters) medical providers can't turn away anyone under this law. The GLAAD spokesperson is simply either mistaken, lying, or never actually read the bill and made shit up.


I'm not a doctor or a lawyer or a business executive, but to me the additional clause here implies that it isn't just for gender reassignment surgery. The first clause already mentions the provision of "treament [or] counseling services" for "sex reassignment or gender identity transitioning" which would make the second clause mostly redundant.
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glitteringfairy
10/11/17 11:41:10 AM
#84:


Mike_Stanton posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
LordRazziel posted...
@glitteringfairy posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
If most people in these positions to offer service disagree with this then what are you worried about?

This isn't a real question. I refuse to believe it.

They can deny service and then lose money while the person that agrees to offer service makes even more money.

In the end the only person really losing is the bigot

Not seeing the problem here

You dont see a problem with an ER doctor refusing to treat a dying man because he's gay?

Judging from shat was previously posted, the people that would actually discriminate are in the minority. If someone refuses you simply get another doctor. Now if this hospital only has one doctor in the whole building then that would be a problem but I don't even see how that's possible

So by that same logic, is it safe to say that you'd be okay with doctors discriminating based on race? I mean, black people can always find a different doctor, right?

Apples and oranges

I don't know of any religious texts that preach about skin color.
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Balrog0
10/11/17 11:41:32 AM
#85:


glitteringfairy posted...
I don't know of any religious texts that preach about skin color.


The Book of Mormon does
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glitteringfairy
10/11/17 11:43:58 AM
#86:


Balrog0 posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
I don't know of any religious texts that preach about skin color.


The Book of Mormon does

I don't think anybody takes Mormons seriously except Mormons
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Balrog0
10/11/17 11:44:30 AM
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yeah ok I'll let you think about that one in the context of religious freedom laws bro
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glitteringfairy
10/11/17 11:46:09 AM
#88:


Balrog0 posted...
yeah ok I'll let you think about that one in the context of religious freedom laws bro

Didn't know Mormons had a strong presence in Mississippi bro
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joeywheeler
10/11/17 11:46:30 AM
#89:


glitteringfairy posted...
Mike_Stanton posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
LordRazziel posted...
@glitteringfairy posted...
dave_is_slick posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
If most people in these positions to offer service disagree with this then what are you worried about?

This isn't a real question. I refuse to believe it.

They can deny service and then lose money while the person that agrees to offer service makes even more money.

In the end the only person really losing is the bigot

Not seeing the problem here

You dont see a problem with an ER doctor refusing to treat a dying man because he's gay?

Judging from shat was previously posted, the people that would actually discriminate are in the minority. If someone refuses you simply get another doctor. Now if this hospital only has one doctor in the whole building then that would be a problem but I don't even see how that's possible

So by that same logic, is it safe to say that you'd be okay with doctors discriminating based on race? I mean, black people can always find a different doctor, right?

Apples and oranges

I don't know of any religious texts that preach about skin color.


Look up Christian Identity.
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Balrog0
10/11/17 11:47:27 AM
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glitteringfairy posted...
Didn't know Mormons had a strong presence in Mississippi bro


are you under the impression that religious freedom laws only apply to the majority religion or something?
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glitteringfairy
10/11/17 11:49:17 AM
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"Christian Identity is not an organized religion, and is not connected with specific Christian denominations"
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Mike_Stanton
10/11/17 11:57:50 AM
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glitteringfairy posted...
Apples and oranges I don't know of any religious texts that preach about skin color.

You've...never heard of anybody using their religion to justify racism?

glitteringfairy posted...
Balrog0 posted...
yeah ok I'll let you think about that one in the context of religious freedom laws bro

Didn't know Mormons had a strong presence in Mississippi bro

So racism in Utah should be acceptable then?
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glitteringfairy
10/11/17 12:09:17 PM
#93:


Balrog0 posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
Didn't know Mormons had a strong presence in Mississippi bro


are you under the impression that religious freedom laws only apply to the majority religion or something?

I'm under the impression you have to be able to actually prove it. Just like I can't call out of work for Hanukkah because I claim to be Jewish

Mike_Stanton posted...
glitteringfairy posted...
Apples and oranges I don't know of any religious texts that preach about skin color.

You've...never heard of anybody using their religion to justify racism?

glitteringfairy posted...
Balrog0 posted...
yeah ok I'll let you think about that one in the context of religious freedom laws bro

Didn't know Mormons had a strong presence in Mississippi bro

So racism in Utah should be acceptable then?

We'll talk about Utah when they pass a similar law. Right now we're talking about Mississippi. Try to Stay on topic
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Balrog0
10/11/17 12:11:10 PM
#94:


glitteringfairy posted...
I'm under the impression you have to be able to actually prove it. Just like I can't call out of work for Hanukkah because I claim to be Jewish


are you really so unwilling to concede a point that you can't just admit you were ignorant about, or not thinking of, a fairly prominent American religion when you said that no religious texts talk about race explicitly?

I mean not only is this moving the goal post, it's stupid, there are tens of thousands of Mormons in MS. No, that's not a huge population, but who said that it was? religious discrimination laws are designed to protect minority religious communities in the first place.
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Zeeak4444
10/11/17 12:13:03 PM
#97:


Asherlee10 posted...
Is Glitter a Sayoria alt that trolls?


I personally think so but I can't confirm.
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joeywheeler
10/11/17 12:13:33 PM
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glitteringfairy posted...
"Christian Identity is not an organized religion, and is not connected with specific Christian denominations"


People with those beliefs can still use this law.
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Coolppl Owns
10/11/17 12:14:04 PM
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I'm glad I grew up in a respectable state
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Lordgold666
10/11/17 12:14:11 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Literally Mississippi

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