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Antifar 10/10/17 9:59:44 AM #1:	https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gy5ex9/the-leftist-argument-against-gun-control? Less attention is paid to the leftists who oppose gun control. But they're out there. The Black Panthers famously advocated using guns for self-defense, and white fears about black people with guns helped inspire gun control. Today, Dallas's Huey P. Newton Gun Club continues that legacy. The idea of guns granting power to the oppressed isn't unique to black power groups. "Gun control means disarming the revolutionary masses and oppressed classes," a leftist named William Gillis told me in an email. Gillis, one of the 15 antigun control leftists I talked to by phone and email for this story, called gun control "the worst possible idea in history." Not all anti-gun control arguments are this fanatical, but many stem from a fundamental mistrust of the US government. Alex Turner, a 24-year-old retail manager from Kentucky, believes that we can't trust Trump to not tweet out a declaration of war or the Democratic Party to hold a fair primary, so why should we trust the government to regulate firearms? (Of the anti-gun control leftists I corresponded with, most of them were men who voted for Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary and either sat out the general election or begrudgingly voted for Hillary Clinton.) The people I spoke to don't necessarily think people like Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock should be able to obtain weapons that can cause mass casualties but are leery of the government expanding its power. Michaelantonio Jones, a 27-year-old healthcare worker from Memphis, told me he doesn't believe that "banning all guns or tinkering around the edges" is the way to remedy our nation's gun problem. "As a black leftist male from and in the south who's a gun owner, I find the conversations on gun control in liberal and left circles oftentimes deeply ill-informed," Jones explained. "I'll be frank, I'm not comfortable with giving the state (the US proper)which was founded on, by, and sustained through genocide, slavery, and thefta total monopoly on violence. I believe that for folks that look like me, surrendering effective means of self defense and trusting that system is suicide. Also, let's not forget that gun control in the late twentieth century in the States has basically been an effort to disarm people of color." Others agreed that the state shouldn't have a "monopoly" on violence. "Law enforcement officers as a whole kill way more people in a year than mass shooters or spree killers do," Paul de Revere, a 32-year-old freelancer from Florida, wrote to me. "Until they disarm, citizens (particularly poor ones of color living in blighted, over-patrolled and/or surveilled communities) shouldn't either." ... Ben, a 33-year-old writer from Brooklyn who asked not be identified by his last name because he's "still in the closet" about his pro-gun beliefs, told me he didn't think there was "utility" in passing stricter gun control laws. "I don't think an Australian model would work here. Too many variables," he explained. "I'm wary of playing games with the bill of rights. Our liberties have never been in such peril. The Second Amendment is the only amendment that has a multibillion-dollar industry behind it. It is the most safe." When I spoke to George Ciccariello-Maher, an associate politics professor at Drexel University, he told me that he's not trying "to defend the right to have automatic weapons or something like that," but instead he wants to push back "against a certain [liberal] narrative around gun control [that] gets put forward as a solution [to violence in America] without sort of attention to the nuts and bolts of how that would play out." --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:888160178] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote>https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gy5ex9/the-leftist-argument-against-gun-control? <quote>Less attention is paid to the leftists who oppose gun control. But they're out there. The Black Panthers famously advocated using guns for self-defense, and white fears about black people with guns helped inspire gun control. Today, Dallas's Huey P. Newton Gun Club continues that legacy. The idea of guns granting power to the oppressed isn't unique to black power groups. "Gun control means disarming the revolutionary masses and oppressed classes," a leftist named William Gillis told me in an email. Gillis, one of the 15 antigun control leftists I talked to by phone and email for this story, called gun control "the worst possible idea in history." Not all anti-gun control arguments are this fanatical, but many stem from a fundamental mistrust of the US government. Alex Turner, a 24-year-old retail manager from Kentucky, believes that we can't trust Trump to not tweet out a declaration of war or the Democratic Party to hold a fair primary, so why should we trust the government to regulate firearms? (Of the anti-gun control leftists I corresponded with, most of them were men who voted for Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary and either sat out the general election or begrudgingly voted for Hillary Clinton.) The people I spoke to don't necessarily think people like Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock should be able to obtain weapons that can cause mass casualties but are leery of the government expanding its power. Michaelantonio Jones, a 27-year-old healthcare worker from Memphis, told me he doesn't believe that "banning all guns or tinkering around the edges" is the way to remedy our nation's gun problem. "As a black leftist male from and in the south who's a gun owner, I find the conversations on gun control in liberal and left circles oftentimes deeply ill-informed," Jones explained. "I'll be frank, I'm not comfortable with giving the state (the US proper)which was founded on, by, and sustained through genocide, slavery, and thefta total monopoly on violence. I believe that for folks that look like me, surrendering effective means of self defense and trusting that system is suicide. Also, let's not forget that gun control in the late twentieth century in the States has basically been an effort to disarm people of color." Others agreed that the state shouldn't have a "monopoly" on violence. "Law enforcement officers as a whole kill way more people in a year than mass shooters or spree killers do," Paul de Revere, a 32-year-old freelancer from Florida, wrote to me. "Until they disarm, citizens (particularly poor ones of color living in blighted, over-patrolled and/or surveilled communities) shouldn't either." ... Ben, a 33-year-old writer from Brooklyn who asked not be identified by his last name because he's "still in the closet" about his pro-gun beliefs, told me he didn't think there was "utility" in passing stricter gun control laws. "I don't think an Australian model would work here. Too many variables," he explained. "I'm wary of playing games with the bill of rights. Our liberties have never been in such peril. The Second Amendment is the only amendment that has a multibillion-dollar industry behind it. It is the most safe." When I spoke to George Ciccariello-Maher, an associate politics professor at Drexel University, he told me that he's not trying "to defend the right to have automatic weapons or something like that," but instead he wants to push back "against a certain [liberal] narrative around gun control [that] gets put forward as a solution [to violence in America] without sort of attention to the nuts and bolts of how that would play out."</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 10/10/17 10:04:13 AM #2:	"The second amendment is the last line of defense against tyranny" Looks a lot like the right wing argument against gun control. It's almost like gun control is generally a bad idea, no matter what sort of politics you have. --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:888160368] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote>"The second amendment is the last line of defense against tyranny" Looks a lot like the right wing argument against gun control. It's almost like gun control is generally a bad idea, no matter what sort of politics you have.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MakoReizei 10/10/17 10:06:01 AM #3:	A quote that resonated with me about leftists and gun control Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear. --- http://i.imgur.com/mgCjlbV.jpg <cite>MakoReizei posted [p:888160463] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote>A quote that resonated with me about leftists and gun control <quote>Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LolTownz 10/10/17 10:07:14 AM #4:	Mal_Fet posted... It's almost like gun control is generally a bad idea, no matter what sort of politics you have <cite>LolTownz posted [p:888160505] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote>It's almost like gun control is generally a bad idea, no matter what sort of politics you have</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flasbangs 10/10/17 10:09:29 AM #5:	It's almost like people would also need to have private bomber planes and nukes to defend themselves against government tyranny today, but whatever. --- "That's the metaphorical equivalent of flopping your wedding tackle into a lion's mouth and flicking his love spuds with a wet towel" - Arnold Rimmer <cite>Flasbangs posted [p:888160595] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote>It's almost like people would also need to have private bomber planes and nukes to defend themselves against government tyranny today, but whatever.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LolTownz 10/10/17 10:10:27 AM #6:	Flasbangs posted... It's almost like people would also need to have private bomber planes and nukes to defend themselves against government tyranny today, but whatever. no they wouldnt <cite>LolTownz posted [p:888160636] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Flasbangs posted...</cite> <quote>It's almost like people would also need to have private bomber planes and nukes to defend themselves against government tyranny today, but whatever.</quote> no they wouldnt</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flasbangs 10/10/17 10:11:53 AM #7:	LolTownz posted... Flasbangs posted... It's almost like people would also need to have private bomber planes and nukes to defend themselves against government tyranny today, but whatever. no they wouldnt I can picture it now. "Mother accidentally let's 5 year old son play with "football". Incinerates township." --- "That's the metaphorical equivalent of flopping your wedding tackle into a lion's mouth and flicking his love spuds with a wet towel" - Arnold Rimmer <cite>Flasbangs posted [p:888160706] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>LolTownz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Flasbangs posted...</cite> <quote>It's almost like people would also need to have private bomber planes and nukes to defend themselves against government tyranny today, but whatever.</quote> no they wouldnt</quote> I can picture it now. "Mother accidentally let's 5 year old son play with "football". Incinerates township."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 10/10/17 10:13:03 AM #8:	MakoReizei posted... A quote that resonated with me about leftists and gun control Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear. Also applies to the right wing obvs --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:888160758] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote>A quote that resonated with me about leftists and gun control <quote>Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear.</quote></quote> Also applies to the right wing obvs</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LolTownz 10/10/17 10:13:45 AM #9:	Flasbangs posted... LolTownz posted... Flasbangs posted... It's almost like people would also need to have private bomber planes and nukes to defend themselves against government tyranny today, but whatever. no they wouldnt I can picture it now. "Mother accidentally let's 5 year old son play with "football". Incinerates township." plz seek treatment for those bizarre and violent thoughts <cite>LolTownz posted [p:888160795] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Flasbangs posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LolTownz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Flasbangs posted...</cite> <quote>It's almost like people would also need to have private bomber planes and nukes to defend themselves against government tyranny today, but whatever.</quote> no they wouldnt</quote> I can picture it now. "Mother accidentally let's 5 year old son play with "football". Incinerates township."</quote> plz seek treatment for those bizarre and violent thoughts</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MakoReizei 10/10/17 10:14:39 AM #10:	Balrog0 posted... MakoReizei posted... A quote that resonated with me about leftists and gun control Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear. Also applies to the right wing obvs Wut. That makes no sense. --- http://i.imgur.com/mgCjlbV.jpg <cite>MakoReizei posted [p:888160832] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote>A quote that resonated with me about leftists and gun control <quote>Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear.</quote></quote> Also applies to the right wing obvs</quote> Wut. That makes no sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LolTownz 10/10/17 10:15:07 AM #11:	MakoReizei posted... A quote that resonated with me about leftists and gun control Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear. we dont have to worry about that as long as we are for citizen gun rights in general <cite>LolTownz posted [p:888160853] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote>A quote that resonated with me about leftists and gun control <quote>Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear.</quote></quote> we dont have to worry about that as long as we are for citizen gun rights in general</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 10/10/17 10:15:11 AM #12:	Flasbangs posted... It's almost like people would also need to have private bomber planes and nukes to defend themselves against government tyranny today, but whatever. The Viet Cong didn't. Neither did ISIS, the Taliban, or Iraqi insurgents. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:888160856] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Flasbangs posted...</cite> <quote>It's almost like people would also need to have private bomber planes and nukes to defend themselves against government tyranny today, but whatever.</quote> The Viet Cong didn't. Neither did ISIS, the Taliban, or Iraqi insurgents.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Flasbangs 10/10/17 10:20:22 AM #13:	darkjedilink posted... Flasbangs posted... It's almost like people would also need to have private bomber planes and nukes to defend themselves against government tyranny today, but whatever. The Viet Cong didn't. Neither did ISIS, the Taliban, or Iraqi insurgents. Vietnam gave your Air Force a run for their money. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War ISIS is being bombed to death. The Taliban is being bombed to death. Iraqi insurgents are being bombed to death. Most of these groups rely on suicide bombings.. I mean, that's kinda admitting military inferiority. --- "That's the metaphorical equivalent of flopping your wedding tackle into a lion's mouth and flicking his love spuds with a wet towel" - Arnold Rimmer <cite>Flasbangs posted [p:888161080] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Flasbangs posted...</cite> <quote>It's almost like people would also need to have private bomber planes and nukes to defend themselves against government tyranny today, but whatever.</quote> The Viet Cong didn't. Neither did ISIS, the Taliban, or Iraqi insurgents.</quote> Vietnam gave your Air Force a run for their money. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War ISIS is being bombed to death. The Taliban is being bombed to death. Iraqi insurgents are being bombed to death. Most of these groups rely on suicide bombings.. I mean, that's kinda admitting military inferiority.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mal_Fet 10/10/17 10:24:27 AM #14:	Flasbangs posted... ISIS is being bombed to death. The Taliban is being bombed to death. Iraqi insurgents are being bombed to death. And for how long have all these guys remained around? --- Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. -George Orwell <cite>Mal_Fet posted [p:888161293] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Flasbangs posted...</cite> <quote>ISIS is being bombed to death. The Taliban is being bombed to death. Iraqi insurgents are being bombed to death.</quote> And for how long have all these guys remained around?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Malcolm_McGuffi 10/10/17 10:27:17 AM #16:	This seems like the same kind of well intentioned neglect that the neoliberals had in their hearts when they started catering to Wall Street, only with leftists and the gun lobby. <cite>Malcolm_McGuffi posted [p:888161425] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote>This seems like the same kind of well intentioned neglect that the neoliberals had in their hearts when they started catering to Wall Street, only with leftists and the gun lobby.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fishy 10/10/17 10:28:01 AM #17:	Mal_Fet posted... Flasbangs posted... ISIS is being bombed to death. The Taliban is being bombed to death. Iraqi insurgents are being bombed to death. And for how long have all these guys remained around? Besides the US wouldn't carpet bomb its own infrastructure and genocide its own citizens. Who would pay taxes? --- ~Dr. FishyStick\| Welcome Back. http://i.imgur.com/z50xS2H.jpg <cite>Fishy posted [p:888161463] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mal_Fet posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Flasbangs posted...</cite> <quote>ISIS is being bombed to death. The Taliban is being bombed to death. Iraqi insurgents are being bombed to death.</quote> And for how long have all these guys remained around?</quote> Besides the US wouldn't carpet bomb its own infrastructure and genocide its own citizens. Who would pay taxes?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 10/10/17 10:31:03 AM #18:	Flasbangs posted... darkjedilink posted... Flasbangs posted... It's almost like people would also need to have private bomber planes and nukes to defend themselves against government tyranny today, but whatever. The Viet Cong didn't. Neither did ISIS, the Taliban, or Iraqi insurgents. Vietnam gave your Air Force a run for their money. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War ISIS is being bombed to death. The Taliban is being bombed to death. Iraqi insurgents are being bombed to death. Most of these groups rely on suicide bombings.. I mean, that's kinda admitting military inferiority. I didn't argue that they were equal militarily, only that you don't need an Air Force and nukes to successfully resist the US military. Stop moving goalposts. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:888161597] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Flasbangs posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Flasbangs posted...</cite> <quote>It's almost like people would also need to have private bomber planes and nukes to defend themselves against government tyranny today, but whatever.</quote> The Viet Cong didn't. Neither did ISIS, the Taliban, or Iraqi insurgents.</quote> Vietnam gave your Air Force a run for their money. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War ISIS is being bombed to death. The Taliban is being bombed to death. Iraqi insurgents are being bombed to death. Most of these groups rely on suicide bombings.. I mean, that's kinda admitting military inferiority.</quote> I didn't argue that they were equal militarily, only that you don't need an Air Force and nukes to successfully resist the US military. Stop moving goalposts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Deadpool 10/10/17 10:32:42 AM #19:	MakoReizei posted... Balrog0 posted... MakoReizei posted... A quote that resonated with me about leftists and gun control Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear. Also applies to the right wing obvs Wut. That makes no sense. Remember when California was open carry? And then they became some hippie liberal utopia and passed a bill that made that illegal thanks to... Conservative icon Ronald Reagan who didn't like the Black Panthers exercising their open carry rights. Gun idiots are idiots regardless of political affiliation. Maybe people against gun regulation should read the second amendment or something.. --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. <cite>The Deadpool posted [p:888161657] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MakoReizei posted...</cite> <quote>A quote that resonated with me about leftists and gun control <quote>Do not be fooled by a belief that progressives, leftists hate guns. Oh, no, they do not. What they hate is guns in the hands of those who are not marching in lock step of their ideology. They hate guns in the hands of those who think for themselves and do not obey without question. They hate guns in those whom they have slated for a barrel to the back of the ear.</quote></quote> Also applies to the right wing obvs</quote> Wut. That makes no sense.</quote> Remember when California was open carry? And then they became some hippie liberal utopia and passed a bill that made that illegal thanks to... Conservative icon Ronald Reagan who didn't like the Black Panthers exercising their open carry rights. Gun idiots are idiots regardless of political affiliation. Maybe people against gun regulation should read the second amendment or something..</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Deadpool 10/10/17 10:34:20 AM #20:	darkjedilink posted... only that you don't need an Air Force and nukes to successfully resist And you proved it by listing a group with an Air Force and groups who unsuccessfully resisted the US military... --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. <cite>The Deadpool posted [p:888161738] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>only that you don't need an Air Force and nukes to successfully resist </quote> And you proved it by listing a group with an Air Force and groups who unsuccessfully resisted the US military...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 10/10/17 10:35:32 AM #21:	Fishy posted... Besides the US wouldn't carpet bomb its own infrastructure and genocide its own citizens. Who would pay taxes? the rich same as always darkjedilink posted... I didn't argue that they were equal militarily, only that you don't need an Air Force and nukes to successfully resist the US military. Stop moving goalposts. he is arguing with your definition of 'success' the viet cong were destroyed during the tet offensive, fyi. from that point fwd it was all north vietnam none of the other groups have actually held significant territory for a long duration or prevented US government dominion over their nations i actually agree with the sentiment expressed in the OP but i think that went out the window about a hundred years ago with the advent of machine guns and artillery that's when you started seeing western democracies turn to fascism and the only successful revolutions were not people's revolutions for rights but totalitarian revolutions fueled by large segments of the army. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:888161792] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fishy posted...</cite> <quote>Besides the US wouldn't carpet bomb its own infrastructure and genocide its own citizens. Who would pay taxes? </quote> the rich same as always <cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> I didn't argue that they were equal militarily, only that you don't need an Air Force and nukes to successfully resist the US military. Stop moving goalposts. </quote> he is arguing with your definition of 'success' the viet cong were destroyed during the tet offensive, fyi. from that point fwd it was all north vietnam none of the other groups have actually held significant territory for a long duration or prevented US government dominion over their nations i actually agree with the sentiment expressed in the OP but i think that went out the window about a hundred years ago with the advent of machine guns and artillery that's when you started seeing western democracies turn to fascism and the only successful revolutions were not people's revolutions for rights but totalitarian revolutions fueled by large segments of the army.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 10/10/17 10:36:01 AM #22:	Darkman124 posted... Fishy posted... Besides the US wouldn't carpet bomb its own infrastructure and genocide its own citizens. Who would pay taxes? the rich same as always it's also easier to get by without taxes when you're willing to just take stuff --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:888161817] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Fishy posted...</cite> <quote>Besides the US wouldn't carpet bomb its own infrastructure and genocide its own citizens. Who would pay taxes? </quote> the rich same as always</quote> it's also easier to get by without taxes when you're willing to just take stuff</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 10/10/17 10:43:43 AM #23:	The Deadpool posted... darkjedilink posted... only that you don't need an Air Force and nukes to successfully resist And you proved it by listing a group with an Air Force and groups who unsuccessfully resisted the US military... The Viet Cong - South Vietnamese who defected and started a geurilla force - did not have an Air Force, and those other groups ARE STILL FIGHTING IN THE MIDDLE EAST, to the point where a very significant portion of the US wants to just cut and run. As in, they didn't lose. What the fuck are you talking about? --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:888162166] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Deadpool posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>only that you don't need an Air Force and nukes to successfully resist </quote> And you proved it by listing a group with an Air Force and groups who unsuccessfully resisted the US military...</quote> The Viet Cong - South Vietnamese who defected and started a geurilla force - did not have an Air Force, and those other groups ARE STILL FIGHTING IN THE MIDDLE EAST, to the point where a very significant portion of the US wants to just cut and run. As in, they didn't lose. What the fuck are you talking about?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 10/10/17 10:45:19 AM #24:	darkjedilink posted... The Viet Cong - South Vietnamese who defected and started a geurilla force - did not have an Air Force they were also completely destroyed during their tet offensive. the conflict after that was with north vietnam who did have an air force (although most of our casualties wrt them were from russian-provided SAM launchers) darkjedilink posted... those other groups ARE STILL FIGHTING IN THE MIDDLE EAST the others have zero influence on regional policy and were not successful in preventing the replacement of their governments with US-backed ones. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:888162241] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> The Viet Cong - South Vietnamese who defected and started a geurilla force - did not have an Air Force</quote> they were also completely destroyed during their tet offensive. the conflict after that was with north vietnam who did have an air force (although most of our casualties wrt them were from russian-provided SAM launchers) <cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote> those other groups ARE STILL FIGHTING IN THE MIDDLE EAST</quote> the others have zero influence on regional policy and were not successful in preventing the replacement of their governments with US-backed ones.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LolTownz 10/10/17 10:55:08 AM #25:	Balrog0 posted... it's also easier to get by without taxes when you're willing to just take stuff until theres no stuff due to production shutting down <cite>LolTownz posted [p:888162772] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>it's also easier to get by without taxes when you're willing to just take stuff</quote> until theres no stuff due to production shutting down</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Deadpool 10/10/17 11:00:49 AM #26:	darkjedilink posted... those other groups ARE STILL FIGHTING Imagine you're three innings in and the score is 30-0. The game is still going on, but your resistance isn't successful... --- We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons. <cite>The Deadpool posted [p:888163054] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>those other groups ARE STILL FIGHTING</quote> Imagine you're three innings in and the score is 30-0. The game is still going on, but your resistance isn't successful...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 10/10/17 11:10:27 AM #27:	darkjedilink posted... As in, they didn't lose. What the fuck are you talking about? Buddy, according to you all it took was a few liberal politicians and voters to take your job AND your wife from you. What makes you think you could successfully defend yourself from anything? --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:888163517] in "The ... [t:75864055]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>As in, they didn't lose. What the fuck are you talking about?</quote> Buddy, according to you all it took was a few liberal politicians and voters to take your job AND your wife from you. What makes you think you could successfully defend yourself from anything?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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