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alt_no_1_loves
10/06/17 2:10:32 PM
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I don't want to post the video (not sure if we can), but I just watched it on Vice.

I understand it all happened very fast, but how the fuck do you justify shooting a guy that is running away? Running towards you, ok, but running away?
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Foppe
10/06/17 2:12:22 PM
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Because he was clearly running to get guns.
Anyway,caint shooting somebody in the back murder?
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alt_no_1_loves
10/06/17 2:16:39 PM
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mobilebloechel posted...
Don't fucking run from police, how hard is this to understand

Don't run from the police, sure. But I don't see how that in the slightest justifies shooting someone that does it.
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alt_no_1_loves
10/06/17 2:17:25 PM
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Foppe posted...
Anyway,caint shooting somebody in the back murder?

Not if you're the police and you say it was self defense (which is what happened in this case)
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Eat More Beef
10/06/17 2:19:23 PM
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mobilebloechel posted...
Don't fucking run from police, how hard is this to understand


Here's what i dont understand about this argument (and I'm not saying this particular user supports the 2nd amendment): why have guns when you're suplosed to just shut up and do what the government says. The right to bare firearms is there to stop a tyrannical or corrupt government, right? So, is he too not justified from running away/taking a stand if he feels his rights are being infrindged?

Dont run away/Dont own guns should boil down to the same thing, no?
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alt_no_1_loves
10/06/17 2:20:42 PM
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mobilebloechel posted...
They usually literally tell you that you will get shot

In this instance, the officer does yell "I'll fucking shoot you" as he shoots the guy. But I don't think "if you run we will shoot you" is how encounters with the police generally start, nor would that response be remotely justified anyway.
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frozenshock
10/06/17 2:20:48 PM
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I think there's something called the fleeing felon rule in some cases... the cops are authorized to shoot you if they think you're fleeing from them

Happens a lot with cars, like if they signal you to stop but you didn't see them or if you thought they signaled another car, they can riddle you with bullets
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LordRazziel
10/06/17 2:22:19 PM
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mobilebloechel posted...
They usually literally tell you that you will get shot

They aren't alone to shoot you just for running.
The whole "stop or I'll shoot" is a movie thing.
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thronedfire2
10/06/17 2:25:58 PM
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I found the video.

I have no fucking clue why he would try to run there, but I didn't see a knife anywhere. I just feel like police shouldn't just be able to shoot someone without warning them like that though, especially someone running away
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alt_no_1_loves
10/06/17 2:39:32 PM
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The article (and the officer speaking in the beginning) says he had outstanding warrants, which is presumably a factor in why he was so upset. Was pulled over because his bike had no lights and he cut across traffic, but it was going to result in a whole lot more because of the outstanding warrant. Trying to run was obviously a piss poor solution, but he was clearly distraught and thus not in the best position to make a fully rational decision there.

Similarly, I acknowledge that the decision to shoot is a snap decision in a high stress situation. But I don't think that excuses it. That it happens so often is as clear a sign as any that reforms are needed regarding police training and equipment. And that this officer, like so many others, was acquitted/not charged is a similarly clear sign of a dysfunctional system that won't get any better without thoughtful reforms.
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Samurontai
10/06/17 2:40:50 PM
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Shooting someone who is unarmed and running from you is about the scummiest thing you could possibly do
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ModLogic
10/07/17 9:58:32 PM
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alt_no_1_loves posted...
he had outstanding warrants, which is presumably a factor in why he was so upset. Was pulled over because his bike had no lights and he cut across traffic


fair next
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Inferno Dive Dragoon
10/07/17 10:04:35 PM
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Not surprised if he ran, it's perfectly justified to fear for your life when dealing with rabid boars.

Sure as shit, they gunned him down without a second thought. Pigs gonna oink.
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Xelltrix
10/07/17 10:11:55 PM
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Boy howdy, punching a neonazi is bad but literally killing a fleeing non-violent criminal is aokay.
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ModLogic
10/07/17 10:13:25 PM
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its best case scenario actually. would you prefer this piece of shit escaped so he could run over a kid later?
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CADE FOSTER
10/07/17 10:16:16 PM
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Cops are fucking lunatics now no adequate training most cant shoot for shit so the have to empty the gun everytime need better training and better deescalation training
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butthole666
10/07/17 10:17:35 PM
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mobilebloechel posted...
They usually literally tell you that you will get shot

Real life is not like videogames where police can shoot you for not being a threat.
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cjsdowg
10/07/17 10:18:36 PM
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mobilebloechel posted...
Don't fucking run from police, how hard is this to understand


America where running from the cops mean you can be shot in the back.
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DirkDiggles
10/07/17 10:18:44 PM
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Samurontai posted...
Shooting someone who is unarmed and running from you is about the scummiest thing you could possibly do


Got him to stop, didn't it?
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I4NRulez
10/07/17 10:19:03 PM
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ModLogic posted...
alt_no_1_loves posted...
he had outstanding warrants, which is presumably a factor in why he was so upset. Was pulled over because his bike had no lights and he cut across traffic


fair next


You're crazy if you think thats a fair reason for being shot
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butthole666
10/07/17 10:20:35 PM
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ModLogic posted...
its best case scenario actually. would you prefer this piece of shit escaped so he could run over a kid later?

shit de la post
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Offworlder1
10/07/17 10:26:29 PM
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If this guy was unarmed they should not have shot him in the back, yes he has warrents out and drove terribly but unless he had a weapon there is no reason to fire.

The only time to pull your gun is if he has a weapon, is threatening you or someone else.
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ModLogic
10/07/17 10:36:00 PM
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Offworlder1 posted...
there is no reason to fire.

they ended the life of a crim so he doesn't go on to end the lofe of an innocent
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Offworlder1
10/07/17 10:37:31 PM
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@ModLogic

Read all of my post, if the person is unarmed and not an immediate threat to you or others you do not fire your weapon.

The cop was wrong to kill this guy.
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apocalyptic_4
10/07/17 10:53:41 PM
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"Running away aggressively"
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MikeArmstrong
10/07/17 10:56:49 PM
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Samurontai posted...
Shooting someone who is unarmed and running from you is about the scummiest thing you could possibly do

Welcome to America
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the_cajun88
10/07/17 11:00:10 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
Samurontai posted...
Shooting someone who is unarmed and running from you is about the scummiest thing you could possibly do


Got him to stop, didn't it?


yes
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DifferentialEquation
10/07/17 11:00:42 PM
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goo.gl/ecyADz


In their review, investigators considered accounts given by the three officers present during the shooting, including the one who fired the shots, Officer Clinton Fox, as well as footage from their body cameras.

The district attorney of Salt Lake County, Sim Gill, said in an interview that the use of deadly force was legally justified because Harmon was armed and turned back to lunge at the officers while running away.

While the officers were in very close proximity to Mr. Harmon, he presented an opened knife as he turned towards the officers who were running at him, Gill wrote in a letter explaining his offices determination this week. Officer Fox reasonably believed deadly force was necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury to himself and/or others and therefore his use of deadly force was justified under Utah State law.

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Blue_Dream87
10/07/17 11:07:02 PM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
goo.gl/ecyADz


In their review, investigators considered accounts given by the three officers present during the shooting, including the one who fired the shots, Officer Clinton Fox, as well as footage from their body cameras.

The district attorney of Salt Lake County, Sim Gill, said in an interview that the use of deadly force was legally justified because Harmon was armed and turned back to lunge at the officers while running away.

While the officers were in very close proximity to Mr. Harmon, he presented an opened knife as he turned towards the officers who were running at him, Gill wrote in a letter explaining his offices determination this week. Officer Fox reasonably believed deadly force was necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury to himself and/or others and therefore his use of deadly force was justified under Utah State law.


To whoever saw the video, does this line up?
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lowtides
10/07/17 11:07:54 PM
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I doubt it. The police are known liars to protect themselves.
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DifferentialEquation
10/07/17 11:26:26 PM
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Blue_Dream87 posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
goo.gl/ecyADz


In their review, investigators considered accounts given by the three officers present during the shooting, including the one who fired the shots, Officer Clinton Fox, as well as footage from their body cameras.

The district attorney of Salt Lake County, Sim Gill, said in an interview that the use of deadly force was legally justified because Harmon was armed and turned back to lunge at the officers while running away.

While the officers were in very close proximity to Mr. Harmon, he presented an opened knife as he turned towards the officers who were running at him, Gill wrote in a letter explaining his offices determination this week. Officer Fox reasonably believed deadly force was necessary to prevent death or serious bodily injury to himself and/or others and therefore his use of deadly force was justified under Utah State law.


To whoever saw the video, does this line up?


The video is easy to find. It's on youtube.
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Ammonitida
10/07/17 11:35:53 PM
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I saw the video. He runs away but then appears to turns around briefly with his arm raised as if he is pointing a weapon at the cop. The badgecam video is very choppy.
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closetkpopfan
10/07/17 11:43:40 PM
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Homeowners can be charged for shooting burglars who have fled their house, I don't see why Police are allowed to get away with killing someone just because they run. Granted I didn't watch the video and don't plan too, so if this guy had a knife and turned back then fair next.
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ModLogic
10/08/17 12:24:53 AM
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Ammonitida posted...
I saw the video. He runs away but then appears to turns around briefly with his arm raised as if he is pointing a weapon at the cop. The badgecam video is very choppy.

fair next even harder
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thronedfire2
10/08/17 12:25:17 AM
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Ammonitida posted...
I saw the video. He runs away but then appears to turns around briefly with his arm raised as if he is pointing a weapon at the cop. The badgecam video is very choppy.


yeah I definitely did see him turn around towards the cop right before he shot. I didn't see a knife or anything on the ground after though
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SSJ4Broly
10/08/17 12:46:00 AM
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mobilebloechel posted...
Don't fucking run from police, how hard is this to understand
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Ammonitida
10/08/17 8:25:07 AM
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thronedfire2 posted...
Ammonitida posted...
I saw the video. He runs away but then appears to turns around briefly with his arm raised as if he is pointing a weapon at the cop. The badgecam video is very choppy.


yeah I definitely did see him turn around towards the cop right before he shot. I didn't see a knife or anything on the ground after though


There was certainly a knife on him. It was dusted for his fingerprints and they matched the deceased.
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Flasbangs
10/08/17 8:29:12 AM
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What's with the trolls here agreeing with murder? Has it become so common to be murdered by your police force that you think it's right?
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ModLogic
10/08/17 8:40:29 AM
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gatorsPENSbucs
10/08/17 8:44:47 AM
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mobilebloechel posted...
Don't fucking run from police, how hard is this to understand

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MacDaMurderer
10/08/17 8:45:42 AM
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Someone explain to me how a warrant automatically makes you a guilty of a crime? So much for innocent until proven guilty
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Sayoria
10/08/17 8:46:30 AM
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mobilebloechel posted...
Don't fucking run from police, how hard is this to understand


This. I'm blaming parents for not teaching their kids moral values and repercussions of the inability for compliance with the law. Was it right? Probably not, but man, if you plan to run away from law enforcement, take that as a sign that they don't know what you have, where you are going, or what you have planned. They will usually aim to hit you in the legs to slow you down, but expect shots fired any way.

Seriously, comply with the law. We don't have a damn gestapo here. It's not hard to avoid getting in trouble with the cops. Most are actually really cool.

Again, I don't support that result, but anyone willing to do shit like this better expect the worst that can happen, be it hit by a car running across a street, shot dead, or slipping off ledges or something.
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Taharqa_
10/08/17 8:52:41 AM
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Just gonna leave this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqj9FiflNQc

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Inferno Dive Dragoon
10/08/17 8:55:54 AM
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It's not hard to avoid getting in trouble with the cops. Most are actually really cool.


Imagine actually believing this.
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Simon_Petrikov
10/08/17 8:56:37 AM
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Taharqa_ posted...
Just gonna leave this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqj9FiflNQc

Was this one of the cops that has murdered a person that acted aggressively towards them?
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Ammonitida
10/08/17 9:09:15 AM
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Simon_Petrikov posted...
Taharqa_ posted...
Just gonna leave this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oqj9FiflNQc

Was this one of the cops that has murdered a person that acted aggressively towards them?


NO, this is the same cop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT0Vtf4HLj0
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