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emblem boy 10/04/17 8:05:17 PM #1:	Is there a difference? Or do people use them interchangeably --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:887823370] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote>Is there a difference? Or do people use them interchangeably</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metua 10/04/17 8:06:30 PM #2:	@Antifar --- http://i.imgur.com/yKMR7.png http://i.imgur.com/WWCd7FL.gif <cite>Metua posted [p:887823423] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote>@Antifar</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 10/04/17 8:09:00 PM #3:	Whats the difference between the alt right and conservatives Is there a difference? Or do people use them interchangeably --- http://i.imgur.com/fQ2zSjD.gif https://i.imgur.com/rUkYNB9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/wDVZCkd.gif https://i.imgur.com/VX0lMwY.jpg <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:887823576] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote>Whats the difference between the alt right and conservatives Is there a difference? Or do people use them interchangeably</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 10/04/17 8:09:47 PM #4:	Teenage communists have recently decided that they're "leftists" and liberals are all centrists, because they want to keep losing elections --- http://i.imgur.com/MS5SvzN.gif https://i.imgur.com/ahQpG57.jpg <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:887823631] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote>Teenage communists have recently decided that they're "leftists" and liberals are all centrists, because they want to keep losing elections</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 10/04/17 8:11:41 PM #5:	CADE FOSTER posted... Whats the difference between the alt right and conservatives Is there a difference? Or do people use them interchangeably Conservatives don't endorse straight up fascism. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:887823744] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>CADE FOSTER posted...</cite> <quote>Whats the difference between the alt right and conservatives Is there a difference? Or do people use them interchangeably</quote> Conservatives don't endorse straight up fascism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 10/04/17 8:13:10 PM #6:	A semantic shift so that blame can be on a new out-group. --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:887823817] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote>A semantic shift so that blame can be on a new out-group.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nomadic View 10/04/17 8:13:24 PM #7:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7vXwSYO7E4 --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> <cite>Nomadic View posted [p:887823828] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7vXwSYO7E4</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 10/04/17 8:14:38 PM #8:	Nomadic View posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7vXwSYO7E4 Sounds like he's talking about classical liberals there --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:887823899] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7vXwSYO7E4</quote> Sounds like he's talking about classical liberals there</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Landonio 10/04/17 8:14:56 PM #9:	All liberals are on the left, but not everyone on the left is actually liberal. --- Look at that knee. <cite>Landonio posted [p:887823914] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote>All liberals are on the left, but not everyone on the left is actually liberal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KarmaMuffin 10/04/17 8:15:39 PM #10:	Antifar posted... Let me try to clear up the confusion many have between liberals and leftists These definitions are prone to nitpicking and debate, but I believe they at least get the general idea across. There is some room for overlap here, but I think in general most attempts to paint liberals as leftists (or vice versa) are misinformed. Liberals: Broadly, they believe in free speech, mostly free markets, mostly free trade, with allowances made for protections to workers, the environment, and minority groups when those interests conflict with the above. They differ from conservatives in that they acknowledge the inability of capitalism alone to achieve good outcomes for everyone, and they believe modern democratic society should ensure certain goods, benefits, rights for all its citizens. They see economic, racial, and identitarian disparities and believe that more can and should be done to reduce or eliminate them. They do not, however, believe that capitalism should be replaced, only tamed. The modern U.S. is a liberal democracy, and as such liberals place great stock in its institutions; the legislative and electoral processes in particular are prized as instruments of change, to the exclusion of most other means. Liberal pundits especially love to speculate about West Wing-style deals and bargaining to bring about incremental progress towards their goals. Not every liberal is the same. There are neoliberals (think Cory Booker), who believe in the ability of an enlightened private sector to accomplish these goals, and progressives (a la Elizabeth Warren) who believe the state needs to do more to counteract the inequities of the market. Examples: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Justin Trudeau, Chuck Schumer Liberal healthcare policy: guaranteed access to the market for private health insurance, means-tested subsidies to low earners to help them afford the cost, and fines for those who do not buy health insurance so as to subsidize the insurance companies that are now covering more, sicker people. Leftists: Leftists believe that the flaws and inequities of capitalism are so great that the system as a whole needs to be replaced. They often differ and can be unclear on what the replacement would look like, but leftists generally agree that the means of production and natural wealth of the world should be under democratic control (i.e. the state, or people themselves) and put towards the needs of all, rather than owned by a lucky few for their own profit and benefit. Throughout history, they have been skeptical of the U.S. government's aims and methods both at home and abroad. Similarly, they put less faith in the legislative and judicial means of achieving change, and view direct action (strikes, protests, marches, and, yes, riots) as legitimate and necessary ways to reach their goals. Within our current system, leftists tend to aim for broader, grander, more universal policies than liberals, who favor incremental and targeted ones. As with liberals, there are many types of leftists, from anarchists who believe the state to be inherently illegitimate, to Democratic Socialists who believe the state can (after significant reform or even revolution) be put towards egalitarian goals. Given their current lack of power, these internal debates aren't seen much off the internet. Examples: Bernie Sanders (debatable), anarchists, socialists Leftist healthcare policy: universal, single payer healthcare paid for via taxes and provided to all regardless of their employment, income, or wealth Helpful video: https://twitter.com/CNN/status/826630451125174273 <cite>KarmaMuffin posted [p:887823958] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted... </cite><quote>Let me try to clear up the confusion many have between liberals and leftists These definitions are prone to nitpicking and debate, but I believe they at least get the general idea across. There is some room for overlap here, but I think in general most attempts to paint liberals as leftists (or vice versa) are misinformed. Liberals: Broadly, they believe in free speech, mostly free markets, mostly free trade, with allowances made for protections to workers, the environment, and minority groups when those interests conflict with the above. They differ from conservatives in that they acknowledge the inability of capitalism alone to achieve good outcomes for everyone, and they believe modern democratic society should ensure certain goods, benefits, rights for all its citizens. They see economic, racial, and identitarian disparities and believe that more can and should be done to reduce or eliminate them. They do not, however, believe that capitalism should be replaced, only tamed. The modern U.S. is a liberal democracy, and as such liberals place great stock in its institutions; the legislative and electoral processes in particular are prized as instruments of change, to the exclusion of most other means. Liberal pundits especially love to speculate about West Wing-style deals and bargaining to bring about incremental progress towards their goals. Not every liberal is the same. There are neoliberals (think Cory Booker), who believe in the ability of an enlightened private sector to accomplish these goals, and progressives (a la Elizabeth Warren) who believe the state needs to do more to counteract the inequities of the market. Examples: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Justin Trudeau, Chuck Schumer Liberal healthcare policy: guaranteed access to the market for private health insurance, means-tested subsidies to low earners to help them afford the cost, and fines for those who do not buy health insurance so as to subsidize the insurance companies that are now covering more, sicker people. Leftists: Leftists believe that the flaws and inequities of capitalism are so great that the system as a whole needs to be replaced. They often differ and can be unclear on what the replacement would look like, but leftists generally agree that the means of production and natural wealth of the world should be under democratic control (i.e. the state, or people themselves) and put towards the needs of all, rather than owned by a lucky few for their own profit and benefit. Throughout history, they have been skeptical of the U.S. government's aims and methods both at home and abroad. Similarly, they put less faith in the legislative and judicial means of achieving change, and view direct action (strikes, protests, marches, and, yes, riots) as legitimate and necessary ways to reach their goals. Within our current system, leftists tend to aim for broader, grander, more universal policies than liberals, who favor incremental and targeted ones. As with liberals, there are many types of leftists, from anarchists who believe the state to be inherently illegitimate, to Democratic Socialists who believe the state can (after significant reform or even revolution) be put towards egalitarian goals. Given their current lack of power, these internal debates aren't seen much off the internet. Examples: Bernie Sanders (debatable), anarchists, socialists Leftist healthcare policy: universal, single payer healthcare paid for via taxes and provided to all regardless of their employment, income, or wealth Helpful video: https://twitter.com/CNN/status/826630451125174273 </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 10/04/17 8:15:46 PM #11:	emblem boy posted... Nomadic View posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7vXwSYO7E4 Sounds like he's talking about classical liberals there So (actual) libertarians? --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:887823964] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7vXwSYO7E4</quote> Sounds like he's talking about classical liberals there</quote> So (actual) libertarians?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 10/04/17 8:17:21 PM #12:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nTMYEsomvc He's a into conservatism, but not right talking about how liberals are not leftist --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:887824042] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nTMYEsomvc He's a into conservatism, but not right talking about how liberals are not leftist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 10/04/17 8:18:53 PM #13:	American Liberals who are tired of the constant embarrassment caused by lunacy on their side have started making this distinction. In the US, they're interchangeable. Internationally it does have a difference, as "liberal" has become corrupted from its original meaning. Some countries have adopted the term (and party) neo-liberal, which are free-market types that embody what the word originally meant. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:887824123] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote>American Liberals who are tired of the constant embarrassment caused by lunacy on their side have started making this distinction. In the US, they're interchangeable. Internationally it does have a difference, as "liberal" has become corrupted from its original meaning. Some countries have adopted the term (and party) neo-liberal, which are free-market types that embody what the word originally meant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 10/04/17 8:19:19 PM #14:	RebelElite791 posted... Teenage communists have recently decided that they're "leftists" and liberals are all centrists, because they want to keep losing elections <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:887824146] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote>Teenage communists have recently decided that they're "leftists" and liberals are all centrists, because they want to keep losing elections</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilORANG 10/04/17 8:20:25 PM #15:	lately edgelords on the right use "leftist" to refer to people they don't like and "liberal" to people they don't agree with but don't dislike. It's stupid. --- #FeelTheBern http://i.imgur.com/q5z4CUu.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6B9oFXh.jpg http://i.imgur.com/sy42Dlf.jpg <cite>lilORANG posted [p:887824206] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote>lately edgelords on the right use "leftist" to refer to people they don't like and "liberal" to people they don't agree with but don't dislike. It's stupid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hinakuluiau 10/04/17 8:22:44 PM #16:	Typically I'd say you have liberals who want things to be similar to what we enjoyed under Obama. See Clinton, Treudeau, Macron, Merkel, etc. for similar branches (although not all 100% in line with each other). Leftists are more arguing for a social democracy a la the Nordic countries. Which, contrary to some belief, are not socialist havens but merely a lot of social welfare backed by a strong capitalist ideal. Basically the difference between universal healthcare and Obamacare, minimum wage vs basic income, etc. The Admiral posted... Some countries have adopted the term (and party) neo-liberal, which are free-market types that embody what the word originally meant. It's not exactly a new term, though. I'm pretty sure I have a textbook somewhere from 2000 that talks about neo-liberalism (this was for a course on Latin American politics). --- There are some things where I just bypass critical thinking. - ROD http://error1355.com/ce/Hinakuluiau.html <cite>Hinakuluiau posted [p:887824342] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote>Typically I'd say you have liberals who want things to be similar to what we enjoyed under Obama. See Clinton, Treudeau, Macron, Merkel, etc. for similar branches (although not all 100% in line with each other). Leftists are more arguing for a social democracy a la the Nordic countries. Which, contrary to some belief, are not socialist havens but merely a lot of social welfare backed by a strong capitalist ideal. Basically the difference between universal healthcare and Obamacare, minimum wage vs basic income, etc. <cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>Some countries have adopted the term (and party) neo-liberal, which are free-market types that embody what the word originally meant.</quote> It's not exactly a new term, though. I'm pretty sure I have a textbook somewhere from 2000 that talks about neo-liberalism (this was for a course on Latin American politics).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 10/04/17 8:23:31 PM #17:	The Admiral posted... American Liberals who are tired of the constant embarrassment caused by lunacy on their side have started making this distinction. I find this to be disingenuous because those terms are mostly used people on the right as a pejorative for those that they consider to not be conservative and they've been conflated to make it so... In the US, they're interchangeable. ...this statement is believed to be true. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:887824391] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Admiral posted...</cite> <quote>American Liberals who are tired of the constant embarrassment caused by lunacy on their side have started making this distinction.</quote> I find this to be disingenuous because those terms are mostly used people on the right as a pejorative for those that they consider to not be conservative and they've been conflated to make it so... <quote>In the US, they're interchangeable.</quote> ...this statement is believed to be true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 10/04/17 8:23:42 PM #18:	KarmaMuffin posted... Leftists believe that the flaws and inequities of capitalism are so great that the system as a whole needs to be replaced. They often differ and can be unclear on what the replacement would look like, but leftists generally agree that the means of production and natural wealth of the world should be under democratic control (i.e. the state, or people themselves) and put towards the needs of all, rather than owned by a lucky few for their own profit and benefit. Throughout history, they have been skeptical of the U.S. government's aims and methods both at home and abroad. Similarly, they put less faith in the legislative and judicial means of achieving change, and view direct action (strikes, protests, marches, and, yes, riots) as legitimate and necessary ways to reach their goals. Within our current system, leftists tend to aim for broader, grander, more universal policies than liberals, who favor incremental and targeted ones. liberalism sounds great. leftism sounds like a mental illness. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:887824401] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>KarmaMuffin posted...</cite> <quote>Leftists believe that the flaws and inequities of capitalism are so great that the system as a whole needs to be replaced. They often differ and can be unclear on what the replacement would look like, but leftists generally agree that the means of production and natural wealth of the world should be under democratic control (i.e. the state, or people themselves) and put towards the needs of all, rather than owned by a lucky few for their own profit and benefit. Throughout history, they have been skeptical of the U.S. government's aims and methods both at home and abroad. Similarly, they put less faith in the legislative and judicial means of achieving change, and view direct action (strikes, protests, marches, and, yes, riots) as legitimate and necessary ways to reach their goals. Within our current system, leftists tend to aim for broader, grander, more universal policies than liberals, who favor incremental and targeted ones. </quote> liberalism sounds great. leftism sounds like a mental illness.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 10/04/17 8:24:35 PM #19:	I always took leftist to mean anyone on the left, whether it's liberals or communists and liberal is a certain subset of leftist, usually center left. classically liberal meant libertarian, but the terms changed cause of how people used them --- Hey what's going on in this thread http://i.imgur.com/6fpKRW8.gif http://i.imgur.com/RNZi0gk.gif <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:887824454] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote>I always took leftist to mean anyone on the left, whether it's liberals or communists and liberal is a certain subset of leftist, usually center left. classically liberal meant libertarian, but the terms changed cause of how people used them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 10/04/17 8:42:17 PM #20:	The main reason I asked is because I see people like Shapiro or Dave Rubin seem to use Leftist as a negative against anyone left of conservatives and Republicans, and then use liberals as classical liberals. Like, what are Democrats then? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.3 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:887825426] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote>The main reason I asked is because I see people like Shapiro or Dave Rubin seem to use Leftist as a negative against anyone left of conservatives and Republicans, and then use liberals as classical liberals. Like, what are Democrats then?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 10/04/17 8:42:50 PM #21:	A mess --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:887825457] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote>A mess</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 10/04/17 8:48:39 PM #22:	emblem boy posted... The main reason I asked is because I see people like Shapiro or Dave Rubin seem to use Leftist as a negative against anyone left of conservatives and Republicans and liberals as classical liberals. Like, what are Democrats then? Neoliberals and liberals, primarily, with a few outliers either way. <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:887825826] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote>The main reason I asked is because I see people like Shapiro or Dave Rubin seem to use Leftist as a negative against anyone left of conservatives and Republicans and liberals as classical liberals. Like, what are Democrats then?</quote> Neoliberals and liberals, primarily, with a few outliers either way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 10/04/17 8:59:03 PM #23:	lilORANG posted... lately edgelords on the right use "leftist" to refer to people they don't like and "liberal" to people they don't agree with but don't dislike. It's stupid. It's not even a right thing. DSA types have turned "lib" into a snarl-word for the left like it used to be for the right. And as for antifar's quoted post, i'm not sure how that squares with social democracies with socialized healthcare, which are still capitalist and not "leftist" systems. I don't know any liberals who want privatized healthcare --- http://i.imgur.com/MS5SvzN.gif https://i.imgur.com/ahQpG57.jpg <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:887826390] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>lilORANG posted...</cite> <quote>lately edgelords on the right use "leftist" to refer to people they don't like and "liberal" to people they don't agree with but don't dislike. It's stupid.</quote> It's not even a right thing. DSA types have turned "lib" into a snarl-word for the left like it used to be for the right. And as for antifar's quoted post, i'm not sure how that squares with social democracies with socialized healthcare, which are still capitalist and not "leftist" systems. I don't know any liberals who want privatized healthcare</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 10/04/17 9:03:07 PM #24:	this is a good article that describes the difference between Liberalism and Communism https://qz.com/965740/why-im-a-communist-and-why-you-should-be-too/ Antifar's post is pretty good too it's important to note that "Leftists" refers to Socialists, which is a broad group. the two main branches of far-left socialist thought are Marxist-Leninism and Anarcho-Communism, but there are others with their own distinguishing features too --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:887826627] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote>this is a good article that describes the difference between Liberalism and Communism https://qz.com/965740/why-im-a-communist-and-why-you-should-be-too/ Antifar's post is pretty good too it's important to note that "Leftists" refers to Socialists, which is a broad group. the two main branches of far-left socialist thought are Marxist-Leninism and Anarcho-Communism, but there are others with their own distinguishing features too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlternativeFAQS 10/04/17 9:28:13 PM #25:	Liberals voted for Clinton leftists didn't <cite>AlternativeFAQS posted [p:887827987] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote>Liberals voted for Clinton leftists didn't</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gamer99z 10/04/17 9:34:08 PM #26:	emblem boy posted... Nomadic View posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7vXwSYO7E4 Sounds like he's talking about classical liberals there Which is actually just a libertarian. --- "You need to lay off the peanut-butthurt and u-jelly sandwiches" - Neon Octopus <cite>Gamer99z posted [p:887828320] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nomadic View posted...</cite> <quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7vXwSYO7E4 </quote> Sounds like he's talking about classical liberals there</quote> Which is actually just a libertarian.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 10/04/17 9:35:34 PM #27:	AlternativeFAQS posted... Liberals voted for Clinton leftists didn't Hope they're enjoying our current president! --- http://i.imgur.com/MS5SvzN.gif https://i.imgur.com/ahQpG57.jpg <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:887828399] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlternativeFAQS posted...</cite> <quote>Liberals voted for Clinton leftists didn't</quote> Hope they're enjoying our current president!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Landonio 10/04/17 9:42:16 PM #28:	RebelElite791 posted... AlternativeFAQS posted... Liberals voted for Clinton leftists didn't Hope they're enjoying our current president! Pretty sure just idiots voted for Clinton. --- Look at that knee. <cite>Landonio posted [p:887828761] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AlternativeFAQS posted...</cite> <quote>Liberals voted for Clinton leftists didn't</quote> Hope they're enjoying our current president!</quote> Pretty sure just idiots voted for Clinton.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 10/04/17 9:45:31 PM #29:	AlternativeFAQS posted... Liberals voted for Clinton leftists didn't there are a lot of leftists who voted for Clinton in the election on 8 November --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:887828940] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlternativeFAQS posted...</cite> <quote>Liberals voted for Clinton leftists didn't</quote> there are a lot of leftists who voted for Clinton in the election on 8 November</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metal_Bomberman 10/04/17 10:03:25 PM #30:	RebelElite791 posted... AlternativeFAQS posted... Liberals voted for Clinton leftists didn't Hope they're enjoying our current president! https://twitter.com/LaterCapitalism/status/915727831031828480 --- I'm Paper_Okami <cite>Metal_Bomberman posted [p:887829941] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AlternativeFAQS posted...</cite> <quote>Liberals voted for Clinton leftists didn't</quote> Hope they're enjoying our current president!</quote> https://twitter.com/LaterCapitalism/status/915727831031828480 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Landonio 10/04/17 10:04:43 PM #31:	Metal_Bomberman posted... RebelElite791 posted... AlternativeFAQS posted... Liberals voted for Clinton leftists didn't Hope they're enjoying our current president! https://twitter.com/LaterCapitalism/status/915727831031828480 Exactly. And: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b9/dc/f6/b9dcf64a9d0af88b069d82064a48ed52--malcolm-x-bullies.jpg --- Look at that knee. <cite>Landonio posted [p:887830008] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>Metal_Bomberman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AlternativeFAQS posted...</cite> <quote>Liberals voted for Clinton leftists didn't</quote> Hope they're enjoying our current president!</quote> https://twitter.com/LaterCapitalism/status/915727831031828480 </quote> Exactly. And: https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b9/dc/f6/b9dcf64a9d0af88b069d82064a48ed52--malcolm-x-bullies.jpg</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 10/04/17 10:19:20 PM #32:	Metal_Bomberman posted... RebelElite791 posted... AlternativeFAQS posted... Liberals voted for Clinton leftists didn't Hope they're enjoying our current president! https://twitter.com/LaterCapitalism/status/915727831031828480 Clinton and Sanders agreed on almost every issue. Blind idealism gets people killed if you're too stubborn to be pragmatic when needed. One was going to be elected. That wasn't up for debate. If you're too stupid to vote for the CLEARLY better one that's on you --- http://i.imgur.com/MS5SvzN.gif https://i.imgur.com/ahQpG57.jpg <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:887830826] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>Metal_Bomberman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AlternativeFAQS posted...</cite> <quote>Liberals voted for Clinton leftists didn't</quote> Hope they're enjoying our current president!</quote> https://twitter.com/LaterCapitalism/status/915727831031828480 </quote> Clinton and Sanders agreed on almost every issue. Blind idealism gets people killed if you're too stubborn to be pragmatic when needed. One was going to be elected. That wasn't up for debate. If you're too stupid to vote for the CLEARLY better one that's on you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metal_Bomberman 10/04/17 10:39:03 PM #33:	RebelElite791 posted... Metal_Bomberman posted... RebelElite791 posted... AlternativeFAQS posted... Liberals voted for Clinton leftists didn't Hope they're enjoying our current president! https://twitter.com/LaterCapitalism/status/915727831031828480 Clinton and Sanders agreed on almost every issue. Blind idealism gets people killed if you're too stubborn to be pragmatic when needed. One was going to be elected. That wasn't up for debate. If you're too stupid to vote for the CLEARLY better one that's on you don't need to vote, when I live in the fucking bluest state, the only state which nixon lost. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listen,_Liberal a good book to read, if you're willing to learn. On how badly the democrats have screwed up, and stopping being the party of the people, and only haven't lost massive support because the "other guys" are worse. Why should we care about a party that has lost 1000 seats in the last decade, and is so incompetent that they lost to a fucking reality show clown? A party that bails out the banks, and shrugs at growing inequality and stagnant wages, and still has the balls to say they are the party of the "people" which people? --- I'm Paper_Okami <cite>Metal_Bomberman posted [p:887832019] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Metal_Bomberman posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AlternativeFAQS posted...</cite> <quote>Liberals voted for Clinton leftists didn't</quote> Hope they're enjoying our current president!</quote> https://twitter.com/LaterCapitalism/status/915727831031828480 </quote> Clinton and Sanders agreed on almost every issue. Blind idealism gets people killed if you're too stubborn to be pragmatic when needed. One was going to be elected. That wasn't up for debate. If you're too stupid to vote for the CLEARLY better one that's on you</quote> don't need to vote, when I live in the fucking bluest state, the only state which nixon lost. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listen,_Liberal a good book to read, if you're willing to learn. On how badly the democrats have screwed up, and stopping being the party of the people, and only haven't lost massive support because the "other guys" are worse. Why should we care about a party that has lost 1000 seats in the last decade, and is so incompetent that they lost to a fucking reality show clown? A party that bails out the banks, and shrugs at growing inequality and stagnant wages, and still has the balls to say they are the party of the "people" which people?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hinakuluiau 10/04/17 10:55:06 PM #34:	RebelElite791 posted... Blind idealism gets people killed if you're too stubborn to be pragmatic when needed. The larger problem is that a lot of Clinton supporters were openly derisive of Sanders. Like you said, they agreed on 99% of things. But the anti-Sanders crowd from the democrats side, at the DNC, Twitter, Reddit, and even here on CE, would have made an outsider think he was trying to do everything different from her. I voted for her. I'd vote for her again. And I think anyone who "would've voted for Sanders but voted for Trump" is an A+ moron who doesn't understand politics or any of the candidates very well, but the people who pushed Clinton are just as responsible for the backlash as the blind idealistic "Bernie Bros." The general idea being that they feel the Democrats are a bit too centrist, a bit too corporate, and a bit too concession-y while not being liberal enough is not a new idea. I agree that it's better to be pragmatic, but it's also shitty to tell people "hey we're cool with some of the stuff you like, vote for us or you'll get stuck with the people who do none of the things you like." It's a shitty feeling. --- There are some things where I just bypass critical thinking. - ROD http://error1355.com/ce/Hinakuluiau.html <cite>Hinakuluiau posted [p:887832946] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote>Blind idealism gets people killed if you're too stubborn to be pragmatic when needed. </quote> The larger problem is that a lot of Clinton supporters were openly derisive of Sanders. Like you said, they agreed on 99% of things. But the anti-Sanders crowd from the democrats side, at the DNC, Twitter, Reddit, and even here on CE, would have made an outsider think he was trying to do everything different from her. I voted for her. I'd vote for her again. And I think anyone who "would've voted for Sanders but voted for Trump" is an A+ moron who doesn't understand politics or any of the candidates very well, but the people who pushed Clinton are just as responsible for the backlash as the blind idealistic "Bernie Bros." The general idea being that they feel the Democrats are a bit too centrist, a bit too corporate, and a bit too concession-y while not being liberal enough is not a new idea. I agree that it's better to be pragmatic, but it's also shitty to tell people "hey we're cool with some of the stuff you like, vote for us or you'll get stuck with the people who do none of the things you like." It's a shitty feeling.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CanuckCowboy 10/04/17 10:56:14 PM #35:	Landonio posted... All liberals are on the left, but not everyone on the left is actually liberal. This. --- "I got a rollatruc, look." <cite>CanuckCowboy posted [p:887832988] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>Landonio posted...</cite> <quote>All liberals are on the left, but not everyone on the left is actually liberal.</quote> This.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 10/04/17 11:55:38 PM #36:	Hinakuluiau posted... RebelElite791 posted... Blind idealism gets people killed if you're too stubborn to be pragmatic when needed. The larger problem is that a lot of Clinton supporters were openly derisive of Sanders. Like you said, they agreed on 99% of things. But the anti-Sanders crowd from the democrats side, at the DNC, Twitter, Reddit, and even here on CE, would have made an outsider think he was trying to do everything different from her. I voted for her. I'd vote for her again. And I think anyone who "would've voted for Sanders but voted for Trump" is an A+ moron who doesn't understand politics or any of the candidates very well, but the people who pushed Clinton are just as responsible for the backlash as the blind idealistic "Bernie Bros." The general idea being that they feel the Democrats are a bit too centrist, a bit too corporate, and a bit too concession-y while not being liberal enough is not a new idea. I agree that it's better to be pragmatic, but it's also shitty to tell people "hey we're cool with some of the stuff you like, vote for us or you'll get stuck with the people who do none of the things you like." It's a shitty feeling. This is a good post. Being an American leftist is depressing, though hopefully we can improve things going forward. Me, personally, I'm a white dude. Probably like most posters here, but I have friends who're women, friends who're minorities or gay or trans. I want them to be and feel as safe as I do. <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:887836167] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hinakuluiau posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote>Blind idealism gets people killed if you're too stubborn to be pragmatic when needed. </quote> The larger problem is that a lot of Clinton supporters were openly derisive of Sanders. Like you said, they agreed on 99% of things. But the anti-Sanders crowd from the democrats side, at the DNC, Twitter, Reddit, and even here on CE, would have made an outsider think he was trying to do everything different from her. I voted for her. I'd vote for her again. And I think anyone who "would've voted for Sanders but voted for Trump" is an A+ moron who doesn't understand politics or any of the candidates very well, but the people who pushed Clinton are just as responsible for the backlash as the blind idealistic "Bernie Bros." The general idea being that they feel the Democrats are a bit too centrist, a bit too corporate, and a bit too concession-y while not being liberal enough is not a new idea. I agree that it's better to be pragmatic, but it's also shitty to tell people "hey we're cool with some of the stuff you like, vote for us or you'll get stuck with the people who do none of the things you like." It's a shitty feeling.</quote> This is a good post. Being an American leftist is depressing, though hopefully we can improve things going forward. Me, personally, I'm a white dude. Probably like most posters here, but I have friends who're women, friends who're minorities or gay or trans. I want them to be and feel as safe as I do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlternativeFAQS 10/04/17 11:57:39 PM #37:	RebelElite791 posted... AlternativeFAQS posted... Liberals voted for Clinton leftists didn't Hope they're enjoying our current president! I'm talking about Sanders vs. Clinton. Unfortunately you guys picked someone who wasn't good enough to beat Trump <cite>AlternativeFAQS posted [p:887836266] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AlternativeFAQS posted...</cite> <quote>Liberals voted for Clinton leftists didn't</quote> Hope they're enjoying our current president!</quote> I'm talking about Sanders vs. Clinton. Unfortunately you guys picked someone who wasn't good enough to beat Trump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 10/04/17 11:59:04 PM #38:	ElatedVenusaur posted... Me, personally, I'm a white dude. Probably like most posters here, but I have friends who're women, friends who're minorities or gay or trans. I want them to be and feel as safe as I do. And I'm sure they're much safer under Trump than Clinton. AlternativeFAQS posted... I'm talking about Sanders vs. Clinton. Unfortunately you guys picked someone who wasn't good enough to beat Trump Hey, I voted for Sanders. --- http://i.imgur.com/MS5SvzN.gif https://i.imgur.com/ahQpG57.jpg <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:887836322] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>ElatedVenusaur posted...</cite> <quote>Me, personally, I'm a white dude. Probably like most posters here, but I have friends who're women, friends who're minorities or gay or trans. I want them to be and feel as safe as I do.</quote> And I'm sure they're much safer under Trump than Clinton. <cite>AlternativeFAQS posted...</cite> <quote>I'm talking about Sanders vs. Clinton. Unfortunately you guys picked someone who wasn't good enough to beat Trump</quote> Hey, I voted for Sanders.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlternativeFAQS 10/04/17 11:59:54 PM #39:	you god damn commie teenager <cite>AlternativeFAQS posted [p:887836363] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote>you god damn commie teenager</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 10/05/17 12:00:35 AM #40:	AlternativeFAQS posted... you god damn commie teenager Sanders isn't a communist, socialist, or "leftist." He's much more a social democrat than anything. --- http://i.imgur.com/MS5SvzN.gif https://i.imgur.com/ahQpG57.jpg <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:887836391] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>AlternativeFAQS posted...</cite> <quote>you god damn commie teenager</quote> Sanders isn't a communist, socialist, or "leftist." He's much more a social democrat than anything.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 10/05/17 12:00:59 AM #41:	KarmaMuffin posted... Antifar posted... Thanks for posting this --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:887836407] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>KarmaMuffin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted... </cite><quote> </quote></quote> Thanks for posting this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaname_Madoka 10/05/17 12:01:55 AM #42:	Liberals are basically leftists who are realistic --- Drawn for me by \| Popcorn_Fairy: https://i.imgtc.com/cvSNxRT.jpg \| Volkswagen_Bros: http://i.imgur.com/86XOVXb.jpg \| ShinobiNinjaX: https://imgur.com/bPb5vEV <cite>Kaname_Madoka posted [p:887836447] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote>Liberals are basically leftists who are realistic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Stagmar 10/05/17 12:02:00 AM #43:	The difference is that the Liberals are a centre party. --- 11/11/1572 -- Never Forget. <cite>Stagmar posted [p:887836451] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote>The difference is that the Liberals are a centre party.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlternativeFAQS 10/05/17 12:03:21 AM #44:	im a commie. give me your PS4! <cite>AlternativeFAQS posted [p:887836508] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote>im a commie. give me your PS4!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 10/05/17 12:04:01 AM #45:	RebelElite791 posted... Clinton and Sanders agreed on almost every issue. Blind idealism gets people killed if you're too stubborn to be pragmatic when needed. One was going to be elected. That wasn't up for debate. If you're too stupid to vote for the CLEARLY better one that's on you wait, are you suggesting that Clinton was the better option? because... lol --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:887836544] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote>Clinton and Sanders agreed on almost every issue. Blind idealism gets people killed if you're too stubborn to be pragmatic when needed. One was going to be elected. That wasn't up for debate. If you're too stupid to vote for the CLEARLY better one that's on you</quote> wait, are you suggesting that Clinton was the better option? because... lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 10/05/17 12:07:17 AM #46:	averagejoel posted... RebelElite791 posted... Clinton and Sanders agreed on almost every issue. Blind idealism gets people killed if you're too stubborn to be pragmatic when needed. One was going to be elected. That wasn't up for debate. If you're too stupid to vote for the CLEARLY better one that's on you wait, are you suggesting that Clinton was the better option? because... lol Between Clinton and Trump? The two people I'm talking about? Yeah? --- http://i.imgur.com/MS5SvzN.gif https://i.imgur.com/ahQpG57.jpg <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:887836688] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote>Clinton and Sanders agreed on almost every issue. Blind idealism gets people killed if you're too stubborn to be pragmatic when needed. One was going to be elected. That wasn't up for debate. If you're too stupid to vote for the CLEARLY better one that's on you</quote> wait, are you suggesting that Clinton was the better option? because... lol</quote> Between Clinton and Trump? The two people I'm talking about? Yeah?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 10/05/17 12:08:11 AM #47:	RebelElite791 posted... I don't know any liberals who want privatized healthcare The guy Democrats made their VP candidate does: https://twitter.com/JStein_Vox/status/907362134652280833 --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:887836735] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know any liberals who want privatized healthcare</quote> The guy Democrats made their VP candidate does: https://twitter.com/JStein_Vox/status/907362134652280833</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 10/05/17 12:09:13 AM #48:	RebelElite791 posted... averagejoel posted... RebelElite791 posted... Clinton and Sanders agreed on almost every issue. Blind idealism gets people killed if you're too stubborn to be pragmatic when needed. One was going to be elected. That wasn't up for debate. If you're too stupid to vote for the CLEARLY better one that's on you wait, are you suggesting that Clinton was the better option? because... lol Between Clinton and Trump? The two people I'm talking about? Yeah? you clearly said "Clinton and Sanders" at the start of your post >_> --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:887836787] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote>Clinton and Sanders agreed on almost every issue. Blind idealism gets people killed if you're too stubborn to be pragmatic when needed. One was going to be elected. That wasn't up for debate. If you're too stupid to vote for the CLEARLY better one that's on you</quote> wait, are you suggesting that Clinton was the better option? because... lol</quote> Between Clinton and Trump? The two people I'm talking about? Yeah?</quote> you clearly said "Clinton and Sanders" at the start of your post >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 10/05/17 12:10:20 AM #49:	Antifar posted... RebelElite791 posted... I don't know any liberals who want privatized healthcare The liberals who run the Democratic Party have a funny way of showing this. http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/13/politics/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-plan-details/index.html ? And last I checked I don't know any of those people. Was pretty clearly talking anecdotally and not about elected officials. --- http://i.imgur.com/MS5SvzN.gif https://i.imgur.com/ahQpG57.jpg <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:887836845] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't know any liberals who want privatized healthcare</quote> The liberals who run the Democratic Party have a funny way of showing this.</quote> http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/13/politics/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-plan-details/index.html ? And last I checked I don't know any of those people. Was pretty clearly talking anecdotally and not about elected officials.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RebelElite791 10/05/17 12:11:10 AM #50:	averagejoel posted... RebelElite791 posted... averagejoel posted... RebelElite791 posted... Clinton and Sanders agreed on almost every issue. Blind idealism gets people killed if you're too stubborn to be pragmatic when needed. One was going to be elected. That wasn't up for debate. If you're too stupid to vote for the CLEARLY better one that's on you wait, are you suggesting that Clinton was the better option? because... lol Between Clinton and Trump? The two people I'm talking about? Yeah? you clearly said "Clinton and Sanders" at the start of your post >_> Yeah. And then I was clearly talking about the general election when I said that blind idealism refusing to vote for Clinton gets people killed with someone like Trump in office. And that one of Clinton or Trump was going to be elected, there was no other option. --- http://i.imgur.com/MS5SvzN.gif https://i.imgur.com/ahQpG57.jpg <cite>RebelElite791 posted [p:887836881] in Whats the ... [t:75844947]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RebelElite791 posted...</cite> <quote>Clinton and Sanders agreed on almost every issue. Blind idealism gets people killed if you're too stubborn to be pragmatic when needed. One was going to be elected. That wasn't up for debate. If you're too stupid to vote for the CLEARLY better one that's on you</quote> wait, are you suggesting that Clinton was the better option? because... lol</quote> Between Clinton and Trump? The two people I'm talking about? Yeah?</quote> you clearly said "Clinton and Sanders" at the start of your post >_></quote> Yeah. And then I was clearly talking about the general election when I said that blind idealism refusing to vote for Clinton gets people killed with someone like Trump in office. And that one of Clinton or Trump was going to be elected, there was no other option.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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