Current Events > Member of band caught in Vegas tragedy changes stance on gun control..

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VipaGTS 10/03/17 2:11:09 PM #1:	http://sfgate.com/news/local/article/Josh-Abbott-Band-guitarist-says-crew-members-12246753.php The unfortunate truth is sometimes you need to be in the middle of it to fully understand the realty of it. Keeter said some of the band's crew members have licenses to carry concealed handguns and had firearms on their bus at the time of the shooting. "They were useless," he said. "We couldn't touch them for fear police might think that we were part of the massacre and shoot us." I will say though that his position on or support for the 2nd amendment doesn't need to change. He can fully support the right to carry while also understanding that we as a country can do better with regard to our gun laws. --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:887736508] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote>http://sfgate.com/news/local/article/Josh-Abbott-Band-guitarist-says-crew-members-12246753.php The unfortunate truth is sometimes you need to be in the middle of it to fully understand the realty of it. <quote>Keeter said some of the band's crew members have licenses to carry concealed handguns and had firearms on their bus at the time of the shooting. "They were useless," he said. "We couldn't touch them for fear police might think that we were part of the massacre and shoot us."</quote> I will say though that his position on or support for the 2nd amendment doesn't need to change. He can fully support the right to carry while also understanding that we as a country can do better with regard to our gun laws.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 10/03/17 2:13:10 PM #2:	"They were useless," he said. "We couldn't touch them for fear police might think that we were part of the massacre and shoot us." Well no shit a carry piece is going to be useless against someone 30 stories up. And yes, person experience is going to bias people on issues. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:887736598] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><quote>"They were useless," he said. "We couldn't touch them for fear police might think that we were part of the massacre and shoot us."</quote> Well no shit a carry piece is going to be useless against someone 30 stories up. And yes, person experience is going to bias people on issues.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MattSFfrd 10/03/17 2:15:34 PM #3:	our concealed carry pistols were useless against somebody 32 stories up and 500 yards away, ban all the guns! what a fucking moron --- http://i.imgur.com/DHLvJ5Q.gif https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQy5giAUsAAUXXa.jpg <cite>MattSFfrd posted [p:887736727] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote>our concealed carry pistols were useless against somebody 32 stories up and 500 yards away, ban all the guns! what a fucking moron</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 10/03/17 2:16:26 PM #4:	MattSFfrd posted... our concealed carry pistols were useless against somebody 32 stories up and 500 yards away, ban all the guns! what a fucking moron That's not even what he said. He said even if they could use them they feared police or other people mistaking them for the suspects would shoot them. Did you even read the quote? --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:887736776] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>MattSFfrd posted...</cite> <quote>our concealed carry pistols were useless against somebody 32 stories up and 500 yards away, ban all the guns! what a fucking moron</quote> That's not even what he said. He said even if they could use them they feared police or other people mistaking them for the suspects would shoot them. Did you even read the quote?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3khc 10/03/17 2:18:45 PM #5:	Where the shooter was in this instance is not his point. No one knew where the bullets were coming from. This guitarist is simply reflecting on his revelation that even if the gunman where on the ground, he'd hesitate to grab his own weapon out of fear that he'd be perceived as the bad guy. --- ---- ----- <cite>3khc posted [p:887736904] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote>Where the shooter was in this instance is not his point. No one knew where the bullets were coming from. This guitarist is simply reflecting on his revelation that even if the gunman where on the ground, he'd hesitate to grab his own weapon out of fear that he'd be perceived as the bad guy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
divot1338 10/03/17 2:20:32 PM #6:	VipaGTS posted ... The unfortunate truth is sometimes you need to be in the middle of it to fully understand the realty of it. Unfortunately not in politics. You also have to not have your future tied directly whehter or not you fellate guns. Steve Scalise is proof of that. --- Moustache twirling villian https://i.imgur.com/U3lt3H4.jpg- Kerbey <cite>divot1338 posted [p:887737008] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted ...</cite><quote>The unfortunate truth is sometimes you need to be in the middle of it to fully understand the realty of it.</quote> Unfortunately not in politics. You also have to not have your future tied directly whehter or not you fellate guns. Steve Scalise is proof of that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Turtlebread 10/03/17 2:20:37 PM #7:	The answer is to give EVERYONE guns One every man, woman, and child has a firearm then people won't be worried about looking like the bad guy. --- http://i.imgur.com/yCW15Zn.jpg <cite>Turtlebread posted [p:887737015] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote>The answer is to give EVERYONE guns One every man, woman, and child has a firearm then people won't be worried about looking like the bad guy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 10/03/17 2:24:17 PM #8:	3khc posted... Where the shooter was in this instance is not his point. Yet it is fundamental to the events that took place. No one knew where the bullets were coming from. This guitarist is simply reflecting on his revelation that even if the gunman where on the ground, he'd hesitate to grab his own weapon out of fear that he'd be perceived as the bad guy. And if he was in a theater or nightclub, or some other confined location? The audio of the poor folk trapped in the bathroom of the Pulse Nightclub suggest a much different set of priorities. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:887737214] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>3khc posted...</cite> <quote>Where the shooter was in this instance is not his point.</quote> Yet it is fundamental to the events that took place. <quote>No one knew where the bullets were coming from. This guitarist is simply reflecting on his revelation that even if the gunman where on the ground, he'd hesitate to grab his own weapon out of fear that he'd be perceived as the bad guy.</quote> And if he was in a theater or nightclub, or some other confined location? The audio of the poor folk trapped in the bathroom of the Pulse Nightclub suggest a much different set of priorities.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3khc 10/03/17 2:30:28 PM #9:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... 3khc posted... Where the shooter was in this instance is not his point. Yet it is fundamental to the events that took place. No one knew where the bullets were coming from. This guitarist is simply reflecting on his revelation that even if the gunman where on the ground, he'd hesitate to grab his own weapon out of fear that he'd be perceived as the bad guy. And if he was in a theater or nightclub, or some other confined location? The audio of the poor folk trapped in the bathroom of the Pulse Nightclub suggest a much different set of priorities. Except you're completely off target (no pun intended) as he's talking about what it would look like to police if he was standing amongst the chaos holding a firearm. --- ---- ----- <cite>3khc posted [p:887737587] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3khc posted...</cite> <quote>Where the shooter was in this instance is not his point.</quote> Yet it is fundamental to the events that took place. <quote>No one knew where the bullets were coming from. This guitarist is simply reflecting on his revelation that even if the gunman where on the ground, he'd hesitate to grab his own weapon out of fear that he'd be perceived as the bad guy.</quote> And if he was in a theater or nightclub, or some other confined location? The audio of the poor folk trapped in the bathroom of the Pulse Nightclub suggest a much different set of priorities.</quote> Except you're completely off target (no pun intended) as he's talking about what it would look like to police if he was standing amongst the chaos holding a firearm.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MattSFfrd 10/03/17 2:32:48 PM #10:	3khc posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... 3khc posted... Where the shooter was in this instance is not his point. Yet it is fundamental to the events that took place. No one knew where the bullets were coming from. This guitarist is simply reflecting on his revelation that even if the gunman where on the ground, he'd hesitate to grab his own weapon out of fear that he'd be perceived as the bad guy. And if he was in a theater or nightclub, or some other confined location? The audio of the poor folk trapped in the bathroom of the Pulse Nightclub suggest a much different set of priorities. Except you're completely off target (no pun intended) as he's talking about what it would look like to police if he was standing amongst the chaos holding a firearm. yeah, much better to just leave everybody defenseless /liberallogic --- http://i.imgur.com/DHLvJ5Q.gif https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQy5giAUsAAUXXa.jpg <cite>MattSFfrd posted [p:887737718] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>3khc posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3khc posted...</cite> <quote>Where the shooter was in this instance is not his point.</quote> Yet it is fundamental to the events that took place. <quote>No one knew where the bullets were coming from. This guitarist is simply reflecting on his revelation that even if the gunman where on the ground, he'd hesitate to grab his own weapon out of fear that he'd be perceived as the bad guy.</quote> And if he was in a theater or nightclub, or some other confined location? The audio of the poor folk trapped in the bathroom of the Pulse Nightclub suggest a much different set of priorities.</quote> Except you're completely off target (no pun intended) as he's talking about what it would look like to police if he was standing amongst the chaos holding a firearm.</quote> yeah, much better to just leave everybody defenseless /liberallogic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 10/03/17 2:35:49 PM #11:	Not every situation is the same...Sure a "good guy" with a gun can work in some instances....not all. This being one of them. Forget the fact that their weapons wouldn't reach him....its way too chaotic to even consider pulling out a firearm....and for THOSE situations where it won't work maybe it wouldn't hurt to explore better ideas and better gun laws to hopefully limit THOSE situations....why that thought is so crazy to some conservatives i just don't understand... --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:887737888] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote>Not every situation is the same...Sure a "good guy" with a gun can work in some instances....not all. This being one of them. Forget the fact that their weapons wouldn't reach him....its way too chaotic to even consider pulling out a firearm....and for THOSE situations where it won't work maybe it wouldn't hurt to explore better ideas and better gun laws to hopefully limit THOSE situations....why that thought is so crazy to some conservatives i just don't understand...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 10/03/17 2:37:10 PM #12:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Well no shit a carry piece is going to be useless against someone 30 stories up. MattSFfrd posted... our concealed carry pistols were useless against somebody 32 stories up and 500 yards away, ban all the guns! what a fucking moron Some of you really aren't well at all. --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:887737975] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>Well no shit a carry piece is going to be useless against someone 30 stories up. </quote> <cite>MattSFfrd posted...</cite> <quote>our concealed carry pistols were useless against somebody 32 stories up and 500 yards away, ban all the guns! what a fucking moron</quote> Some of you really aren't well at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3khc 10/03/17 2:38:06 PM #13:	MattSFfrd posted... 3khc posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... 3khc posted... Where the shooter was in this instance is not his point. Yet it is fundamental to the events that took place. No one knew where the bullets were coming from. This guitarist is simply reflecting on his revelation that even if the gunman where on the ground, he'd hesitate to grab his own weapon out of fear that he'd be perceived as the bad guy. And if he was in a theater or nightclub, or some other confined location? The audio of the poor folk trapped in the bathroom of the Pulse Nightclub suggest a much different set of priorities. Except you're completely off target (no pun intended) as he's talking about what it would look like to police if he was standing amongst the chaos holding a firearm. yeah, much better to just leave everybody defenseless /liberallogic Uh where the heck did I say that or anything close to that. /dumbasslogic --- ---- ----- <cite>3khc posted [p:887738041] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>MattSFfrd posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3khc posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>3khc posted...</cite> <quote>Where the shooter was in this instance is not his point.</quote> Yet it is fundamental to the events that took place. <quote>No one knew where the bullets were coming from. This guitarist is simply reflecting on his revelation that even if the gunman where on the ground, he'd hesitate to grab his own weapon out of fear that he'd be perceived as the bad guy.</quote> And if he was in a theater or nightclub, or some other confined location? The audio of the poor folk trapped in the bathroom of the Pulse Nightclub suggest a much different set of priorities.</quote> Except you're completely off target (no pun intended) as he's talking about what it would look like to police if he was standing amongst the chaos holding a firearm.</quote> yeah, much better to just leave everybody defenseless /liberallogic</quote> Uh where the heck did I say that or anything close to that. /dumbasslogic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 10/03/17 2:39:22 PM #14:	VipaGTS posted... why that thought is so crazy to some conservatives i just don't understand... Telling a conservative "your guns would be useless" just scrambles their brains and they're unable to think rationally at that point. "But I bought this as a guarantee to my safety!" they think. "I am in control at all times!" It's like telling a liberal that police don't kill black people at a higher rate than white people. Fucks them up REAL good. --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:887738128] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>VipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>why that thought is so crazy to some conservatives i just don't understand...</quote> Telling a conservative "your guns would be useless" just scrambles their brains and they're unable to think rationally at that point. "But I bought this as a guarantee to my safety!" they think. "I am in control at all times!" It's like telling a liberal that police don't kill black people at a higher rate than white people. Fucks them up REAL good.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonGirlYuki 10/03/17 2:39:27 PM #15:	This isn't a situation where a good guy with a gun would have worked. Even ordinary police would be ill equipped to deal with it. --- ~Yuki~ <cite>DragonGirlYuki posted [p:887738134] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote>This isn't a situation where a good guy with a gun would have worked. Even ordinary police would be ill equipped to deal with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 10/03/17 2:39:29 PM #16:	Except you're completely off target (no pun intended) as he's talking about what it would look like to police if he was standing amongst the chaos holding a firearm. Who ever thought running around with a gun during an event like this was as good idea? Until you see the shoot and can act, keep it fucking holstered. I really don't know what the imagined before this happened. Maybe they legit thought they'd Rambo it or some shit like action heroes. I dunno. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:887738140] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><quote> Except you're completely off target (no pun intended) as he's talking about what it would look like to police if he was standing amongst the chaos holding a firearm.</quote> Who ever thought running around with a gun during an event like this was as good idea? Until you see the shoot and can act, keep it fucking holstered. I really don't know what the imagined before this happened. Maybe they legit thought they'd Rambo it or some shit like action heroes. I dunno.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
3khc 10/03/17 2:41:17 PM #17:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Except you're completely off target (no pun intended) as he's talking about what it would look like to police if he was standing amongst the chaos holding a firearm. Who ever thought running around with a gun during an event like this was as good idea? Until you see the shoot and can act, keep it fucking holstered. I really don't know what the imagined before this happened. Maybe they legit thought they'd Rambo it or some shit like action heroes. I dunno. Or maybe he just simply thought having a gun would make him look suspicious. You know, exactly what he said. Why are people trying to fill in the spaces when there's no need? --- ---- ----- <cite>3khc posted [p:887738238] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><quote> Except you're completely off target (no pun intended) as he's talking about what it would look like to police if he was standing amongst the chaos holding a firearm.</quote> Who ever thought running around with a gun during an event like this was as good idea? Until you see the shoot and can act, keep it fucking holstered. I really don't know what the imagined before this happened. Maybe they legit thought they'd Rambo it or some shit like action heroes. I dunno.</quote> Or maybe he just simply thought having a gun would make him look suspicious. You know, exactly what he said. Why are people trying to fill in the spaces when there's no need?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 10/03/17 2:41:55 PM #18:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Except you're completely off target (no pun intended) as he's talking about what it would look like to police if he was standing amongst the chaos holding a firearm. Who ever thought running around with a gun during an event like this was as good idea? Until you see the shoot and can act, keep it fucking holstered. I really don't know what the imagined before this happened. Maybe they legit thought they'd Rambo it or some shit like action heroes. I dunno. Fuck you're still struggling. I'm not sure what you think this guy is saying, but I'll slow it down for you: From the perspective of the police. If there is an active shooter. And 30 people in the crowd have weapons. It's going to be really fucking hard. To tell who is the active shooter doing harm. Or who is on his side. And who is a harmless gun owner defending themselves. Do you get it now? --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:887738271] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><quote> Except you're completely off target (no pun intended) as he's talking about what it would look like to police if he was standing amongst the chaos holding a firearm.</quote> Who ever thought running around with a gun during an event like this was as good idea? Until you see the shoot and can act, keep it fucking holstered. I really don't know what the imagined before this happened. Maybe they legit thought they'd Rambo it or some shit like action heroes. I dunno.</quote> Fuck you're still struggling. I'm not sure what you think this guy is saying, but I'll slow it down for you: From the perspective of the police. If there is an active shooter. And 30 people in the crowd have weapons. It's going to be really fucking hard. To tell who is the active shooter doing harm. Or who is on his side. And who is a harmless gun owner defending themselves. Do you get it now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Butterfiles 10/03/17 2:43:18 PM #19:	That_Happened posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Except you're completely off target (no pun intended) as he's talking about what it would look like to police if he was standing amongst the chaos holding a firearm. Who ever thought running around with a gun during an event like this was as good idea? Until you see the shoot and can act, keep it fucking holstered. I really don't know what the imagined before this happened. Maybe they legit thought they'd Rambo it or some shit like action heroes. I dunno. Fuck you're still struggling. I'm not sure what you think this guy is saying, but I'll slow it down for you: From the perspective of the police. If there is an active shooter. And 30 people in the crowd have weapons. It's going to be really fucking hard. To tell who is the active shooter doing harm. Or who is on his side. And who is a harmless gun owner defending themselves. Do you get it now? especially if the actual shooter IS NOT in the crowd --- http://www.last.fm/user/PigBun 56k warning <cite>Butterfiles posted [p:887738346] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><quote> Except you're completely off target (no pun intended) as he's talking about what it would look like to police if he was standing amongst the chaos holding a firearm.</quote> Who ever thought running around with a gun during an event like this was as good idea? Until you see the shoot and can act, keep it fucking holstered. I really don't know what the imagined before this happened. Maybe they legit thought they'd Rambo it or some shit like action heroes. I dunno.</quote> Fuck you're still struggling. I'm not sure what you think this guy is saying, but I'll slow it down for you: From the perspective of the police. If there is an active shooter. And 30 people in the crowd have weapons. It's going to be really fucking hard. To tell who is the active shooter doing harm. Or who is on his side. And who is a harmless gun owner defending themselves. Do you get it now?</quote> especially if the actual shooter IS NOT in the crowd</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrollSlayer11 10/03/17 2:49:39 PM #20:	MattSFfrd posted... our concealed carry pistols were useless against somebody 32 stories up and 500 yards away, ban all the guns! what a fucking moron --- Sunglasses and advil <cite>TrollSlayer11 posted [p:887738684] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>MattSFfrd posted...</cite> <quote>our concealed carry pistols were useless against somebody 32 stories up and 500 yards away, ban all the guns! what a fucking moron</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 10/03/17 2:55:30 PM #21:	That_Happened posted... Do you get it now? All I'm getting from this is "fucking duh.." I really don't see how anyone could have even though that anyone was a proponent of everyone pulling their gun out during a chaotic massacre. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:887739022] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote>Do you get it now?</quote> All I'm getting from this is "fucking duh.." I really don't see how anyone could have even though that anyone was a proponent of everyone pulling their gun out during a chaotic massacre.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 10/03/17 2:57:36 PM #22:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... I really don't see how anyone could have even though that anyone was a proponent of everyone pulling their gun out during a chaotic massacre. ? Nearly every time there is an active shooter situation, conservatives say "Well if only someone there had had a gun, he/she could have prevented this killer from doing damage." The whole "the only thing that beats a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" line. This guy is saying that CLEARLY won't work and is a bad argument for why people should be allowed to carry. --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:887739147] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>I really don't see how anyone could have even though that anyone was a proponent of everyone pulling their gun out during a chaotic massacre.</quote> ? Nearly every time there is an active shooter situation, conservatives say "Well if only someone there had had a gun, he/she could have prevented this killer from doing damage." The whole "the only thing that beats a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" line. This guy is saying that CLEARLY won't work and is a bad argument for why people should be allowed to carry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 10/03/17 2:57:43 PM #23:	Yeah, if everyone had a gun, so many more people would be dead cause there will be a few "heroes" that will try to shoot the gunman and see each other with their guns out.... --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:887739156] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, if everyone had a gun, so many more people would be dead cause there will be a few "heroes" that will try to shoot the gunman and see each other with their guns out....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 10/03/17 3:02:42 PM #24:	To reiterate, HAVING A GUN, DOES NOT MEAN BRANDISHING A GUN. It's possible to wait, UNTIL YOU IDENTIFY THE ASSAILANT, THEN PULL IT OUT, THEN SHOOT THEM. One would imagine, well before police have a chance to respond. This guy is saying that CLEARLY won't work and is a bad argument for why people should be allowed to carry. Well he is objectively wrong, in many cases, as shooters have been stopped before. And his FEELS that he would be a target for police, don't trump anyone's rights. So fuck all what he feels personally comfortable with. And to reiterate AGAIN, in a theater, where the only exits are blocked by the guy murdering fucking everyone, I can't imagine not preferring everyone* to have a fucking gun in that scenario. Fucking hell I am mad. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:887739448] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote>To reiterate, HAVING A GUN, DOES NOT MEAN BRANDISHING A GUN. It's possible to wait, UNTIL YOU IDENTIFY THE ASSAILANT, THEN PULL IT OUT, THEN SHOOT THEM. One would imagine, well before police have a chance to respond. <quote>This guy is saying that CLEARLY won't work and is a bad argument for why people should be allowed to carry.</quote> Well he is objectively wrong, in many cases, as shooters have been stopped before. And his FEELS that he would be a target for police, don't trump anyone's rights. So fuck all what he feels personally comfortable with. And to reiterate AGAIN, in a theater, where the only exits are blocked by the guy murdering fucking everyone, I can't imagine not preferring everyone* to have a fucking gun in that scenario. Fucking hell I am mad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 10/03/17 3:03:58 PM #25:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... To reiterate, HAVING A GUN, DOES NOT MEAN BRANDISHING A GUN. It's possible to wait, UNTIL YOU IDENTIFY THE ASSAILANT, THEN PULL IT OUT, THEN SHOOT THEM. One would imagine, well before police have a chance to respond. This guy is saying that CLEARLY won't work and is a bad argument for why people should be allowed to carry. Well he is objectively wrong, in many cases, as shooters have been stopped before. And his FEELS that he would be a target for police, don't trump anyone's rights. So fuck all what he feels personally comfortable with. And to reiterate AGAIN, in a theater, where the only exits are blocked by the guy murdering fucking everyone, I can't imagine not preferring everyone* to have a fucking gun in that scenario. Fucking hell I am mad. You do realize that running around waiting till they find the gunmen and then drawing their gun is a pretty stupid idea right? --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:887739516] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>To reiterate, HAVING A GUN, DOES NOT MEAN BRANDISHING A GUN. It's possible to wait, UNTIL YOU IDENTIFY THE ASSAILANT, THEN PULL IT OUT, THEN SHOOT THEM. One would imagine, well before police have a chance to respond. <quote>This guy is saying that CLEARLY won't work and is a bad argument for why people should be allowed to carry.</quote> Well he is objectively wrong, in many cases, as shooters have been stopped before. And his FEELS that he would be a target for police, don't trump anyone's rights. So fuck all what he feels personally comfortable with. And to reiterate AGAIN, in a theater, where the only exits are blocked by the guy murdering fucking everyone, I can't imagine not preferring everyone* to have a fucking gun in that scenario. Fucking hell I am mad.</quote> You do realize that running around waiting till they find the gunmen and then drawing their gun is a pretty stupid idea right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrollSlayer11 10/03/17 3:04:47 PM #26:	That_Happened posted... Anarchy_Juiblex posted... I really don't see how anyone could have even though that anyone was a proponent of everyone pulling their gun out during a chaotic massacre. ? Nearly every time there is an active shooter situation, conservatives say "Well if only someone there had had a gun, he/she could have prevented this killer from doing damage." The whole "the only thing that beats a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" line. This guy is saying that CLEARLY won't work and is a bad argument for why people should be allowed to carry. In this particular instance it wasn't possible because the shooter was in a nested position 30 stories up at night. No fucking shit they couldn't have done anything in this one instance. But maybe if the church goers who got shot by Dylan Roofe were carrying they wouldn't have been massacred. --- Sunglasses and advil <cite>TrollSlayer11 posted [p:887739562] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>I really don't see how anyone could have even though that anyone was a proponent of everyone pulling their gun out during a chaotic massacre.</quote> ? Nearly every time there is an active shooter situation, conservatives say "Well if only someone there had had a gun, he/she could have prevented this killer from doing damage." The whole "the only thing that beats a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" line. This guy is saying that CLEARLY won't work and is a bad argument for why people should be allowed to carry.</quote> In this particular instance it wasn't possible because the shooter was in a nested position 30 stories up at night. No fucking shit they couldn't have done anything in this one instance. But maybe if the church goers who got shot by Dylan Roofe were carrying they wouldn't have been massacred.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 10/03/17 3:05:41 PM #27:	LightHawKnight posted... You do realize that running around waiting till they find the gunmen and then drawing their gun is a pretty stupid idea right? I'm not suggesting that anyone go looking for the shooter. What are you on about? --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:887739615] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>You do realize that running around waiting till they find the gunmen and then drawing their gun is a pretty stupid idea right?</quote> I'm not suggesting that anyone go looking for the shooter. What are you on about?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
That_Happened 10/03/17 3:07:11 PM #28:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... And to reiterate AGAIN, in a theater, where the only exits are blocked by the guy murdering fucking everyone, I can't imagine not preferring everyone* to have a fucking gun in that scenario. You see nothing wrong with 100 people of varying ability, experience, nerves, and mental health, all shooting at each other in the fucking dark? That_Happened posted... Some of you really aren't well at all. That_Happened posted... Telling a conservative "your guns would be useless" just scrambles their brains and they're unable to think rationally at that point. "But I bought this as a guarantee to my safety!" they think. "I am in control at all times!" --- http://fusionanomaly.net/magnoliabutitdidhappen.jpg <cite>That_Happened posted [p:887739705] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>And to reiterate AGAIN, in a theater, where the only exits are blocked by the guy murdering fucking everyone, I can't imagine not preferring everyone* to have a fucking gun in that scenario.</quote> You see nothing wrong with 100 people of varying ability, experience, nerves, and mental health, all shooting at each other in the fucking dark? <cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote>Some of you really aren't well at all.</quote> <cite>That_Happened posted...</cite> <quote>Telling a conservative "your guns would be useless" just scrambles their brains and they're unable to think rationally at that point. "But I bought this as a guarantee to my safety!" they think. "I am in control at all times!" </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 10/03/17 3:07:49 PM #29:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... LightHawKnight posted... You do realize that running around waiting till they find the gunmen and then drawing their gun is a pretty stupid idea right? I'm not suggesting that anyone go looking for the shooter. What are you on about? t's possible to wait, UNTIL YOU IDENTIFY THE ASSAILANT, THEN PULL IT OUT, THEN SHOOT THEM Finding a gunman and then drawing your gun from its hidden holster is going to get you killed. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:887739739] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>You do realize that running around waiting till they find the gunmen and then drawing their gun is a pretty stupid idea right?</quote> I'm not suggesting that anyone go looking for the shooter. What are you on about?</quote> t's possible to wait, UNTIL YOU IDENTIFY THE ASSAILANT, THEN PULL IT OUT, THEN SHOOT THEM Finding a gunman and then drawing your gun from its hidden holster is going to get you killed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 10/03/17 3:08:30 PM #30:	America is weird --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:887739779] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote>America is weird</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RECON64bit 10/03/17 3:08:59 PM #31:	USA is beyond repair. leave the country to the gun nuts <cite>RECON64bit posted [p:887739802] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote>USA is beyond repair. leave the country to the gun nuts</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gatorsPENSbucs 10/03/17 3:10:10 PM #32:	Why didn't you use the quotes of him saying he wanted it changed. The quotes you used have nothing to do with wanting to change how gun control is. --- http://m.imgur.com/BtD5etN?r https://m.imgur.com/a/jclul http://i.imgtc.com/etNW2apANm.jpg <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted [p:887739860] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote>Why didn't you use the quotes of him saying he wanted it changed. The quotes you used have nothing to do with wanting to change how gun control is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DragonGirlYuki 10/03/17 3:11:39 PM #33:	https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting Private citizens did try to take shots at this guy, but they couldn't get him because he was holed up well. --- ~Yuki~ <cite>DragonGirlYuki posted [p:887739945] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Texas_tower_shooting Private citizens did try to take shots at this guy, but they couldn't get him because he was holed up well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 10/03/17 3:11:46 PM #34:	You're not mad, you're either being purposefully dense or just actually outright stupid. --- http://i.imgur.com/bbRWLI8.gif https://i.imgur.com/A0BErSV.jpg <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:887739953] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote>You're not mad, you're either being purposefully dense or just actually outright stupid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VipaGTS 10/03/17 3:17:28 PM #35:	gatorsPENSbucs posted... Why didn't you use the quotes of him saying he wanted it changed. The quotes you used have nothing to do with wanting to change how gun control is. Because a common argument in support of no control is the good guy with a gun idea and that quote gives us insight into what aspects of his stance on guns may be changing? --- "I devour urine just like my Portland Trailblazers, with piss poor defense." <cite>VipaGTS posted [p:887740253] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted...</cite> <quote>Why didn't you use the quotes of him saying he wanted it changed. The quotes you used have nothing to do with wanting to change how gun control is.</quote> Because a common argument in support of no control is the good guy with a gun idea and that quote gives us insight into what aspects of his stance on guns may be changing?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Biscuit 10/03/17 3:18:19 PM #36:	pinky0926 posted... America is weird RECON64bit posted... USA is beyond repair. leave the country to the gun nuts I'm honestly getting there. The delusional superhero complex is insane enough, let alone the fact that we have other countries out there that implemented stronger gun control and saw great results but here they want to give EVERYONE guns because that'll solve it. I'm trying to remain optimistic and not assume America has peaked, but this whole period of the last few years sure feels like "well, had a good run" status. --- https://www.bigplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/img_6703.jpg <cite>Mr_Biscuit posted [p:887740308] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote>America is weird</quote> <cite>RECON64bit posted...</cite> <quote>USA is beyond repair. leave the country to the gun nuts</quote> I'm honestly getting there. The delusional superhero complex is insane enough, let alone the fact that we have other countries out there that implemented stronger gun control and saw great results but here they want to give EVERYONE guns because that'll solve it. I'm trying to remain optimistic and not assume America has peaked, but this whole period of the last few years sure feels like "well, had a good run" status.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 10/03/17 3:29:33 PM #37:	So much twisted hole filled logic of people trying to defend guns. It's weird seeing people who argue that there are civilians capable of taking out active shooters without problems yet in other topics I've seen them argue that we should cut the police a ton of other excuses when they make mistakes and kill people. I'm not saying I'm against conceal and carry, but you have to acknowledge the good guy with a gun theory is by no means flawless. --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:887740978] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote>So much twisted hole filled logic of people trying to defend guns. It's weird seeing people who argue that there are civilians capable of taking out active shooters without problems yet in other topics I've seen them argue that we should cut the police a ton of other excuses when they make mistakes and kill people. I'm not saying I'm against conceal and carry, but you have to acknowledge the good guy with a gun theory is by no means flawless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TrevorBlack79 10/03/17 3:36:23 PM #38:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... To reiterate, HAVING A GUN, DOES NOT MEAN BRANDISHING A GUN. It's possible to wait, UNTIL YOU IDENTIFY THE ASSAILANT, THEN PULL IT OUT, THEN SHOOT THEM. One would imagine, well before police have a chance to respond. This guy is saying that CLEARLY won't work and is a bad argument for why people should be allowed to carry. Well he is objectively wrong, in many cases, as shooters have been stopped before. And his FEELS that he would be a target for police, don't trump anyone's rights. So fuck all what he feels personally comfortable with. And to reiterate AGAIN, in a theater, where the only exits are blocked by the guy murdering fucking everyone, I can't imagine not preferring everyone* to have a fucking gun in that scenario. Fucking hell I am stupid. ftfy --- "a minority is someone who you can tell off the bat they are black/hispanic/colored. LGBT isn't a minority" - Blakkheim1 <cite>TrevorBlack79 posted [p:887741381] in Member of ... [t:75840113]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>To reiterate, HAVING A GUN, DOES NOT MEAN BRANDISHING A GUN. It's possible to wait, UNTIL YOU IDENTIFY THE ASSAILANT, THEN PULL IT OUT, THEN SHOOT THEM. One would imagine, well before police have a chance to respond. <quote>This guy is saying that CLEARLY won't work and is a bad argument for why people should be allowed to carry.</quote> Well he is objectively wrong, in many cases, as shooters have been stopped before. And his FEELS that he would be a target for police, don't trump anyone's rights. So fuck all what he feels personally comfortable with. And to reiterate AGAIN, in a theater, where the only exits are blocked by the guy murdering fucking everyone, I can't imagine not preferring everyone* to have a fucking gun in that scenario. Fucking hell I am stupid.</quote> ftfy</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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