Current Events > Isn't there only one meaning of a "terrorist" attack?

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im not 13
10/03/17 11:51:53 AM
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Shouldn't it be something driven by policies and politics?

The vegas shooter just seemed like a nut. Why are people so offended he isn't called a "terrorist"
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DK9292
10/03/17 11:52:33 AM
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A "terrorist" is someone who spreads terror. That's it.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
10/03/17 11:53:21 AM
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im not 13 posted...
Why are people so offended he isn't called a "terrorist"


They think it's historically been used racially as a way of painting minorities as "the other". It's ignorant and dishonest, but I kinda see where they're coming from.
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darkphoenix181
10/03/17 11:53:38 AM
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NPR was talking about it this morning and legally a terrorist attack has to be done by a foreign organization, a foreigner or someone with ties overseas to a group or something

that is the legal definition though
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im not 13
10/03/17 11:53:46 AM
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DK9292 posted...
A "terrorist" is someone who spreads terror. That's it.


What about this definition then

terrorist
trrst/Submit
noun
1.
a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
"four commercial aircraft were hijacked by terrorists"
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eston
10/03/17 11:54:05 AM
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If the shooter was any other race but white, those same people would be urging us to wait for the facts to come out
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darkphoenix181
10/03/17 11:55:05 AM
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eston posted...
If the shooter was any other race but white, those same people would be urging us to wait for the facts to come out


if it was a british man, it would be a foreigner and qualify legally as terrorism

despite being white
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Anarchy_Juiblex
10/03/17 11:55:07 AM
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DK9292 posted...
A "terrorist" is someone who spreads terror. That's it.


No, that's how a child thinks of language. Terrorism has actual definitions and legal jargon surrounding it.
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Mr_MacPhisto
10/03/17 11:55:52 AM
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If a terrorist is simply "someone who spreads terror", then watch out guys, terror season is coming up around October 31st.
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darkphoenix181
10/03/17 11:56:42 AM
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Mr_MacPhisto posted...
If a terrorist is simply "someone who spreads terror", then watch out guys, terror season is coming up around October 31st.


:O
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im not 13
10/03/17 11:58:30 AM
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eston posted...
If the shooter was any other race but white, those same people would be urging us to wait for the facts to come out


Western media isn't perfect far from it...but I feel like people are making a big deal about how a word is being used

They have every right to not call him a terrorist until they find out if it was driven by something
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ultimate reaver
10/03/17 11:58:33 AM
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Mr_MacPhisto posted...
If a terrorist is simply "someone who spreads terror", then watch out guys, terror season is coming up around October 31st.


Waves of people in masks invading your doorstep and holding you up for candy
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eston
10/03/17 12:03:52 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
NPR was talking about it this morning and legally a terrorist attack has to be done by a foreign organization, a foreigner or someone with ties overseas to a group or something

that is the legal definition though

I'm not sure I buy that, because domestic terrorism is a thing
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thelovefist
10/03/17 12:04:36 PM
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eston posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
NPR was talking about it this morning and legally a terrorist attack has to be done by a foreign organization, a foreigner or someone with ties overseas to a group or something

that is the legal definition though

I'm not sure I buy that, because domestic terrorism is a thing

Timothy McVeigh was a white, domestic (USA) terrorist.
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That_Happened
10/03/17 12:05:48 PM
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That_Happened posted...
Nevada law does not require a motivation to be established in order for an attack to be called an "act of terrorism." Fact is, the term is applied in an inconsistent manner.

1. "Act of terrorism" means any act that involves the use or attempted use of sabotage, coercion or violence which is intended to:

(a) Cause great bodily harm or death to the general population


Source: https://www.leg.state.nv.us/NRS/NRS-202.html#NRS202Sec4415

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darkphoenix181
10/03/17 12:06:59 PM
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eston posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
NPR was talking about it this morning and legally a terrorist attack has to be done by a foreign organization, a foreigner or someone with ties overseas to a group or something

that is the legal definition though

I'm not sure I buy that, because domestic terrorism is a thing


legal definition is about what you can prosecute on

the guy was saying you cannot prosecute someone as a domestic terrorist

Dylan Roof was a domestic terrorist BUT

he didn't go to jail for being a domestic terrorist as that legally is not what he was

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylann_Roof
Five days after the shooting, Attorney General Loretta Lynch announced a grand jury had indicted Roof on 33 federal charges: nine counts of using a firearm to commit murder and 24 civil rights violations (12 hate crime charges under the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Hate Crimes Prevention Act and 12 counts under a second hate-crime statute that prohibits using force or threatening the use of force to obstruct a person's free exercise of religious beliefs), with 18 of the charges carrying the federal death penalty.[110]


so the guy on npr was basically saying you cannot take a citizen to court for being a terrorist

that doesn't work
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darkphoenix181
10/03/17 12:08:50 PM
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thelovefist posted...
Timothy McVeigh was a white, domestic (USA) terrorist.


what was he charged with?

was it terrorism?

go look it up because I just wiki Dylan Roof and if I went to Tim also it probably send a red flag somewhere despite I just researching to argue with you guys
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im not 13
10/03/17 12:09:24 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
eston posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
NPR was talking about it this morning and legally a terrorist attack has to be done by a foreign organization, a foreigner or someone with ties overseas to a group or something

that is the legal definition though

I'm not sure I buy that, because domestic terrorism is a thing


legal definition is about what you can prosecute on

the guy was saying you cannot prosecute someone as a domestic terrorist

Dylan Roof was a domestic terrorist BUT

he didn't go to jail for being a domestic terrorist as that legally is not what he was

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylann_Roof
Five days after the shooting, Attorney General Loretta Lynch announced a grand jury had indicted Roof on 33 federal charges: nine counts of using a firearm to commit murder and 24 civil rights violations (12 hate crime charges under the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Hate Crimes Prevention Act and 12 counts under a second hate-crime statute that prohibits using force or threatening the use of force to obstruct a person's free exercise of religious beliefs), with 18 of the charges carrying the federal death penalty.[110]


so the guy on npr was basically saying you cannot take a citizen to court for being a terrorist

that doesn't work


Can you be sentenced as a "regular" terrorist ?
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darkphoenix181
10/03/17 12:12:00 PM
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im not 13 posted...
Can you be sentenced as a "regular" terrorist ?


if what the guy on npr said is true

then no, not if you are a US citizen who is not acting for a foreign government or foreign group

that is, if for instance you are US citizen but you kill for ISIS, then you are a terrorist
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