Current Events > It's unreal how after a mass shooting the right won't even admit it's a problem

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They don't want to know the cause, it's fingers in the ears and screaming "2nd Amendment!"

How can you not even admit we have an issue?
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It is annoying how people are deflecting and crying "too soon" to continue to have discussion and look towards solutions.
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Sada_Pop posted...

It is annoying how people are deflecting and crying "too soon" to continue to have discussion and look towards solutions.

yet every time there's an equatable attack in Europe or wherever, those same people say something like "we need to have a serious talk about refugees/islam/whatever"
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Hypocrites gonna hypocrite.

Sada_Pop posted...

It is annoying how people are deflecting and crying "too soon" to continue to have discussion and look towards solutions.

Under that rationale there will never be a good time because mass shootings happen so fucking frequently.
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It's more important that we talk about what some brown people are doing on another continent or how ungrateful NFL players are disrupting games before they even start
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If it's not too soon, then it can wait because there are more pressing concerns. There's always an excuse. It's never a good time to talk about it. I'm getting sick of the eternal deflections.
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What's your angle? Automatic weapons are illegal, the only way to legally own was is if it's from 1986 or prior, and even then you have to have a special license and a sherrif's approval.

There are laws to prevent everyday people from owning automatic weapons, and it's really quite difficult to legally obtain one at all. Illegally owing one is a felony with a minimum sentence of 20 years in prison.

We do have gun control, so what the hell is your argument?
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Perascamin posted...

What's your angle? Automatic weapons are illegal, the only way to legally own was is if it's from 1986 or prior, and even then you have to have a special license and a sherrif's approval.

There are laws to prevent everyday people from owning automatic weapons, and it's really quite difficult to legally obtain one at all. Illegally owing one is a felony with a minimum sentence of 20 years in prison.

We do have gun control, so what the hell is your argument?

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

They don't want to know the cause, it's fingers in the ears and screaming "2nd Amendment!"

How can you not even admit we have an issue?

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Why even get an automatic weapon when you can legally mod a semi-automatic weapon to fire as fast as an automatic weapon?
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http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/shooting-isnt-about-gun-control-we-refuse-pass-its-57095
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I agree there is a problem but I don't know where it is and how to fix it.
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There's a problem

The problem isn't that fully automatic weapons are legal or easy to get like a lot of dumbasses think though.

Come to me when you have a real solution or even a real talking point. Then I might be able to take your opinion seriously.
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C_Pain posted...

I agree there is a problem but I don't know where it is and how to fix it.

http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-prevent-says-only-nation-where-regularly-ha-57086
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We would have less shootings if we had better social nets.
It is not just black and white, there are multiple causes that must be changed.
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Doom_Art posted...

yet every time there's an equatable attack in Europe or wherever, those same people say something like "we need to have a serious talk about refugees/islam/whatever"

Umm, if we're going down that route, what is the consistent reply to the conservative argument? Here, I'll help you remember:

Something, something, isolated incident... the numbers are too small to accurately represent the larger group... radicals need support, not enforcement, or else our actions create more radicals.
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Everyone knows there is a problem. There is a legitimate debate over whether it's actually a gun problem. There are good arguments to support the idea that gun control wouldn't actually address the problem. You don't have to agree with those arguments, but they are interesting arguments with support. Don't act like it's an easy problem with a simple solution.
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15,696 murders in the U.S. in 2017.

Just 432 were from mass murder shootings.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/latest-crime-statistics-released
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/one-mass-shooting-every-day-seven-facts-gun-violence-america/
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The problem is nobody wants to fix the actual problem, hell nobody even wants to discuss the problem.

They just want to feel good and feel like they fixed the problem and "ban guns" is the easy way out for those weak willed people.
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Asherlee10 posted...

C_Pain posted...

I agree there is a problem but I don't know where it is and how to fix it.

This. We can't even identify the problem in full, yet. Finding a solution to an unknown, not understood problem isn't going to do anyone any good.

"It's difficult so let's do nothing"
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Also just 18% of gun-related murders used a legal weapon. Just 3% of all murders.

We don't have a gun issue, we have a murder issue.
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

"It's difficult so let's do nothing"

"It's difficult, so let's just do the first thing that comes to mind."
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emidas posted...

Also just 18% of gun-related murders used a legal weapon. Just 3% of all murders.

We don't have a gun issue, we have a murder issue.

So...we shouldn't work to get those gun death numbers down. Got it.
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emidas posted...

15,696 murders in the U.S. in 2017.

Just 432 were from mass murder shootings.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/latest-crime-statistics-released
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/one-mass-shooting-every-day-seven-facts-gun-violence-america/

OMG!
Mass shootings are a trivial issue! /s
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LordRazziel posted...

emidas posted...

15,696 murders in the U.S. in 2017.

Just 432 were from mass murder shootings.

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/latest-crime-statistics-released
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/one-mass-shooting-every-day-seven-facts-gun-violence-america/

OMG!
Mass shootings are a trivial issue! /s

They are a trivial issue in comparison to the far excessive other methods of murder. But we latch onto these because they are emotionally invoking. We need to do a better job preventing all murders, not focusing on one incredibly small subsect.
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MorbidFaithless posted...

emidas posted...

Also just 18% of gun-related murders used a legal weapon. Just 3% of all murders.

We don't have a gun issue, we have a murder issue.

So...we shouldn't work to get those gun death numbers down. Got it.

Strawman.
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I'm avoiding these topics now. They're pointless and nothing is going to get done. Why even try there's no way we're taking down the gun business

emidas posted...

Also just 18% of gun-related murders used a legal weapon. Just 3% of all murders.

We don't have a gun issue, we have a murder issue.

We have a gun issue. Everyone can have the same weapons they has when the 2nd amendment was drafted, anything else was not contemplated when it was written and it can't be used to justify ownership of even revolvers.

And you can't use the argument we need better guns to combat a tyrannical government because we're not allowed to have nukes and heavy artillery.
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Yah, there's an idiots with guns problem.

We can help by making parents responsible, we can help by not letting any illegal person into this country, we can help by taking down gangs, we can help by letting everyone know that both sides are the problem. Tons of shit we can do besides "let's just ban guns!"
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Man, these cuckservatives got some dumb logic. This is just sad.
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emidas posted...

MorbidFaithless posted...

emidas posted...

Also just 18% of gun-related murders used a legal weapon. Just 3% of all murders.

We don't have a gun issue, we have a murder issue.

So...we shouldn't work to get those gun death numbers down. Got it.

Strawman.

You don't think sensible gun restrictions might somehow lower the amount of gun related deaths? It worked wonders for the UK and Australia.

Now here is when you say but but but knives! Bombs! Vans! Yeah. Ok. But it's OBVIOUSLY (as evidenced by the vegas shooting) much easier to take massive amounts of life in such a short amount of time with semi automatic weapons.
Like, even if knives and bombs and car attacks were raking in the same numbers as gun attacks, how does it not make sense to at least TRY?
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DanHarenChamp posted...

Man, these cuckservatives got some dumb logic. This is just sad.

Cuckservative. Holy shit, do you actually think that's funny?

And aren't you guys the ones that are against name calling and bullying. Seems like y'all are the only ones doing that.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Yah, there's an idiots with guns problem.

We can help by making parents responsible, we can help by not letting any illegal person into this country, we can help by taking down gangs, we can help by letting everyone know that both sides are the problem. Tons of shit we can do besides "let's just ban guns!"

White guy from Texas shoots people, but dude has to bring up illegal immigrants. The fuck?
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Everyone can have the same weapons they has when the 2nd amendment was drafted, anything else was not contemplated when it was written and it can't be used to justify ownership of even revolvers.

lmfao

this is why nobody takes you people seriously.
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The "Can we have a discussion?" crowd love that line, but don't actually have a plan that doesn't involve a ban.

It didn't work in the 90's. It went on for ten years. Nothing changed. Violence declined before, during, and after the ban.

You either ban all guns, and criminalize everyone that refuses to release theirs in a country where people are allowed to own as many as they want, or you follow the mental health angle, acknowledging the fact that people with mental health issues are more likely to be the victim rather than the attacker, but push forward anyways. Both have massive hurdles and legal issues that again neither side can't sort out.

An actual discussion would be nice, but the problem is that it always just boils down to bans, or targeting specific types of people under the blanket of mental illness.
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I'm not giving up my rights just so you can continue to not feel safe.
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MorbidFaithless posted...

emidas posted...

MorbidFaithless posted...

emidas posted...

Also just 18% of gun-related murders used a legal weapon. Just 3% of all murders.

We don't have a gun issue, we have a murder issue.

So...we shouldn't work to get those gun death numbers down. Got it.

Strawman.

You don't think sensible gun restrictions might somehow lower the amount of gun related deaths? It worked wonders for the UK and Australia.

Now here is when you say but but but knives! Bombs! Vans! Yeah. Ok. But it's OBVIOUSLY (as evidenced by the vegas shooting) much easier to take massive amounts of life in such a short amount of time with semi automatic weapons.
Like, even if knives and bombs and car attacks were raking in the same numbers as gun attacks, how does it not make sense to at least TRY?

I think that our time would be much better spent taking action against the 97% of murders that don't involve legal guns.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

KiwiTerraRizing posted...

Everyone can have the same weapons they has when the 2nd amendment was drafted, anything else was not contemplated when it was written and it can't be used to justify ownership of even revolvers.

lmfao

this is why nobody takes you people seriously.

It's you on the right that invokes original intent or living document approach to the constitution whenever it fits your needs that is a joke.
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Oh look another resident shitposter on CE using this tragedy to troll....
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Just make murder illegal instead. That way no one will ever be killed and gun owners can still have their guns! Everyone wins!
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emidas posted...

MorbidFaithless posted...

emidas posted...

MorbidFaithless posted...

emidas posted...

Also just 18% of gun-related murders used a legal weapon. Just 3% of all murders.

We don't have a gun issue, we have a murder issue.

So...we shouldn't work to get those gun death numbers down. Got it.

Strawman.

You don't think sensible gun restrictions might somehow lower the amount of gun related deaths? It worked wonders for the UK and Australia.

Now here is when you say but but but knives! Bombs! Vans! Yeah. Ok. But it's OBVIOUSLY (as evidenced by the vegas shooting) much easier to take massive amounts of life in such a short amount of time with semi automatic weapons.
Like, even if knives and bombs and car attacks were raking in the same numbers as gun attacks, how does it not make sense to at least TRY?

I think that our time would be much better spent taking action against the 97% of murders that don't involve legal guns.

I guess 3% is an acceptable amount of gun murders to be fine with. Thank you for your time.
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

It's you on the right that invokes original intent or living document approach to the constitution whenever it fits your needs that is a joke.

Nah, you're pretty clearly the fucking joke here if you're pulling the "they only meant muskets" approach to this.

Like that's the dumbest argument out of all the dipshit arguments. You couldn't even go with the "they were only talking about arming militias" which actually has some merit to it.

Edit: I take that back, you also used the nukes and artillery line. That's dumber than the musket approach for sure.
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MorbidFaithless posted...

emidas posted...

MorbidFaithless posted...

emidas posted...

MorbidFaithless posted...

emidas posted...

Also just 18% of gun-related murders used a legal weapon. Just 3% of all murders.

We don't have a gun issue, we have a murder issue.

So...we shouldn't work to get those gun death numbers down. Got it.

Strawman.

You don't think sensible gun restrictions might somehow lower the amount of gun related deaths? It worked wonders for the UK and Australia.

Now here is when you say but but but knives! Bombs! Vans! Yeah. Ok. But it's OBVIOUSLY (as evidenced by the vegas shooting) much easier to take massive amounts of life in such a short amount of time with semi automatic weapons.
Like, even if knives and bombs and car attacks were raking in the same numbers as gun attacks, how does it not make sense to at least TRY?

I think that our time would be much better spent taking action against the 97% of murders that don't involve legal guns.

I guess 3% is an acceptable amount of gun murders to be fine with. Thank you for your time.

Another Strawman. You can't make a point with resorting to logical fallacies, can you?
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You keep saying that like it means something. I just reiterated your statement. What I said is the logical conclusion to what you said.

I think that our time would be much better spent taking action against the 97% of drowning that don't involve pools.

How insane does that sound?

Why do we have to settle on an acceptable amount of deaths? Is it not possible for the US to at least try to help all its citizens? Sad.
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MorbidFaithless posted...

You keep saying that like it means something. I just reiterated your statement. What I said is the logical conclusion to what you said.

I think that our time would be much better spent taking action against the 97% of drowning that don't involve pools.

How insane does that sound?

Why do we have to settle on an acceptable amount of deaths? Is it not possible for the US to at least try to help all its citizens? Sad.

You didn't reiterate any statement of mine. You're creating a strawman to argue a point I didn't make. You're making false connections based on things you want to infer. Your words are full of fallacies.
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MorbidFaithless posted...

I think that our time would be much better spent taking action against the 97% of drowning that don't involve pools.

*facepalm*
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emidas posted...

I think that our time would be much better spent taking action against the 97% of murders that don't involve legal guns.

What happens to the 3%? If we're going to spend our time taking action against the 97%...what does that mean for the 3%?
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Yah, there's an idiots with guns problem.

We can help by making parents responsible, we can help by not letting any illegal person into this country, we can help by taking down gangs, we can help by letting everyone know that both sides are the problem. Tons of shit we can do besides "let's just ban guns!"

You can lower the probability of mass shootings by reducing the number of idiots(most of the US population) with guns.