Current Events > fbi confirms stephen paddock had no connection to ISIS

(+) Yeah! (+)

hopefully everyone can stop pushing that horseshit now. isis always claims they do shit when they didnt do jack
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Wow

Nice source
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I provided a source in my thread.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4941092/ISIS-claim-responsibility-Vegas-shooting.html

We've still got loonies claiming the Orlando Night Club Shooter was a member of ISIS despite the FBI coming to the same conclusion. Hopefully people take pay attention this time.
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turn on the news. the press conference is live
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pikachupwnage posted...

Nice source

It was during the most recent police live update. Any major news source will have it.
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So he's just a mentally deranged white guy? It's not like terrorists are clinically insane or anything...
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Thanks for the update.
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Kazi1212 posted...

So he's just a mentally deranged white guy? It's not like terrorists are clinically insane or anything...

Curious what they found in the hotel room and what they'll find in the property uo north mentioned.
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evil is evil. idgaf what race or religious believes he has. people were jumping through hoops in calling the dude a isis member tho
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"No evidence he was linked with ISIS" doesn't mean "100% confirmed had no connection". There is no connection to ISIS that they are presently aware of. We still don't know the full story.

The only possible motivation we know of is radical Islam, because ISIS claimed responsibility. Yes, they could be lying, but we have no other guess on a motivation. His family doesn't often talk to him, and they said he had no political or religious affiliation as far as they know.
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Bluebomber182 posted...

evil is evil. idgaf what race or religious believes he has. people were jumping through hoops in calling the dude a isis member tho

It is important to identify what his motivation was, so we can try to prevent the same thing from happening again.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

"No evidence he was linked with ISIS" doesn't mean "100% confirmed had no connection". There is no connection to ISIS that they are presently aware of. We still don't know the full story.

considering he killed himself, we can in fact rule out that he was muslim.

Bagamak posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

"No evidence he was linked with ISIS" doesn't mean "100% confirmed had no connection". There is no connection to ISIS that they are presently aware of. We still don't know the full story.

considering he killed himself, we can in fact rule out that he was muslim.

How does suicide rule out the possibility of his actions being motivated by radical Islam?

For the record, I don't believe radical Islam was his motivation. I don't have any idea what his motivation was. But everyone has a motivation. Could be as simple as "I wanted to kill some people".
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Vindris_SNH posted...

How does suicide rule out the possibility of his actions being motivated by radical Islam?

radical islam believes you go to hell if you kill yourself.

Bagamak posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

"No evidence he was linked with ISIS" doesn't mean "100% confirmed had no connection". There is no connection to ISIS that they are presently aware of. We still don't know the full story.

considering he killed himself, we can in fact rule out that he was muslim.

What a dumb post. There have been Muslim suicide bombers and Christian murders despite the Ten Commandments saying "thou shall not murder"
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Motives we can rule out

Islam

BLM

White Supremacy

Possible motives

Break-up

Infamy

Let's hope this doesn't inspire copy-cat attacks, but don't be surprised if you see a rash of mass shootings in the coming weeks.

Bagamak posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

How does suicide rule out the possibility of his actions being motivated by radical Islam?

radical islam believes you go to hell if you kill yourself.

So does Catholicism but some Catholics still do it.
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nothings gonna change after this. everyone will be sad for a few weeks then itll be forgotten. if newtown couldnt change anything nothing will
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Bagamak posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

How does suicide rule out the possibility of his actions being motivated by radical Islam?

radical islam believes you go to hell if you kill yourself.

First of all, was it confirmed he killed himself? I read that's what police believe happened. Second, this man didn't necessarily have to believe in every tenet of radical Islam to be motivated by some form of radical Islam.
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pikachupwnage posted...

. There have been Muslim suicide bombers

that's different cause you are using your death as a weapon. they excuse bombs. but any other suicide is straight to hell

pikachupwnage calling something else a dumb post after his awful shitpost in the main topic. fuck off
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Bluebomber182 posted...

nothings gonna change after this. everyone will be sad for a few weeks then itll be forgotten. if newtown couldnt change anything nothing will

Sadly, this. Maybe Vegas will up their security for a bit, but otherwise regardless of motive I doubt we'll see any systemic change.
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Bagamak posted...

pikachupwnage posted...

. There have been Muslim suicide bombers

that's different cause you are using your death as a weapon. they excuse bombs. but any other suicide is straight to hell

I would love a link to a passage from the Quran that says "Suicide is bad and I will throw yo ass in hell for it...cept if it's a really cool explosion bro than its all cool."

I also love how everyone always perfectly adheres to their religious beliefs.
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pikachupwnage posted...

I would love a link to a passage from the Quran that says "Suicide is bad and I will throw yo ass in hell for it...cept if it's a really cool explosion bro than its all cool."

it's not from the quran it's from what ISIS believes.

Vindris_SNH posted...

First of all, was it confirmed he killed himself? I read that's what police believe happened. Second, this man didn't necessarily have to believe in every tenet of radical Islam to be motivated by some form of radical Islam.

Yes, it has been confirmed.

And second, stop shit posting and trying to link this is Islam to push your narrative.
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I want to reiterate, I'm not trying to say he was motivated by radical Islam, I'm simply saying that there has been no confirmation by the FBI that he was 100% for sure not motivated by radical Islam. It shouldn't be completely ruled out at this point.

What they've said is that they have absolutely no evidence that he was motivated by radical Islam, even though ISIS claimed he had converted to Islam several months ago and was acting in the name of radical Islam.

The thread title is factually incorrect. The FBI has not confirmed Paddock had no connection to ISIS. It is only that they have found no evidence of a connection between Paddock and ISIS.
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pikachupwnage posted...

Bagamak posted...

pikachupwnage posted...

. There have been Muslim suicide bombers

that's different cause you are using your death as a weapon. they excuse bombs. but any other suicide is straight to hell

I would love a link to a passage from the Quran that says "Suicide is bad and I will throw yo ass in hell for it...cept if it's a really cool explosion bro than its all cool."

He's right on this one. Martyrdom is different from suicide. There's lots of passages about both, but here's a summary from a member of CAIR (Jamal Badawi):

"Suicide out of despair is not acceptableGiving one's life in a military situation is different and can be heroic if there is no other way of resistingKilling civilians should be avoided if possible, but not everyone out of uniform is a civilian."

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Bluebomber182 posted...

pikachupwnage calling something else a dumb post after his awful shitpost in the main topic. fuck off

I already admitted it was a stupid post.

If a person saying something dumb means they are forever invalidated the entire human race might as well staple their mouths shut and throw their keyboards in the trash.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

How does suicide rule out the possibility of his actions being motivated by radical Islam?

something about killing oneself (e/g: shooting yourself) is a guaranteed ticket to hell while killing the enemies with oneself getting killed in process (e/g: bombs) is A-OK.
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No, we can rule out Islam here. Had this been the motive, the killer would have made it easily known. The FBI would have found the evidence by now.

Vindris_SNH posted...

I want to reiterate, I'm not trying to say he was motivated by radical Islam, I'm simply saying that there has been no confirmation by the FBI that he was 100% for sure not motivated by radical Islam. It shouldn't be completely ruled out at this point.

There's been absolutely nothing linking this to Islam. We are likely never going to know "100%" what the motivation was, however you're projecting what you think is likely based on all of nothing.

Vindris_SNH posted...

What they've said is that they have absolutely no evidence that he was motivated by radical Islam, even though ISIS claimed he had converted to Islam several months ago and was acting in the name of radical Islam.

ISIS claims don't mean jack shit as they have a reason to lie and repeatedly have in the past. Their word isn't evidence of anything and should be disregarded.

Vindris_SNH posted...

The thread title is factually incorrect. The FBI has not confirmed Paddock had no connection to ISIS. It is only that they have found no evidence of a connection between Paddock and ISIS.

And you trying to push this narrative is factually incorrect and quite disgusting. You should be ashamed.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

There's been absolutely nothing linking this to Islam. We are likely never going to know "100%" what the motivation was, however you're projecting what you think is likely based on all of nothing.

Again, I have no idea what is "likely". No idea at all. I'm pointing out that the thread title is incorrect. That is all.

The Great Muta 22 posted...

ISIS claims don't mean jack shit as they have a reason to lie and repeatedly have in the past. Their word isn't evidence of anything and should be disregarded.

That was kind of my point. ISIS has lied about stuff like this before. This isn't news to me.

The Great Muta 22 posted...

And you trying to push this narrative is factually incorrect and quite disgusting. You should be ashamed.

I'm not pushing a narrative. I'm seeking the truth.
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s0nicfan posted...

pikachupwnage posted...

Bagamak posted...

pikachupwnage posted...

. There have been Muslim suicide bombers

that's different cause you are using your death as a weapon. they excuse bombs. but any other suicide is straight to hell

I would love a link to a passage from the Quran that says "Suicide is bad and I will throw yo ass in hell for it...cept if it's a really cool explosion bro than its all cool."

He's right on this one. Martyrdom is different from suicide. There's lots of passages about both, but here's a summary from a member of CAIR (Jamal Badawi):

"Suicide out of despair is not acceptableGiving one's life in a military situation is different and can be heroic if there is no other way of resistingKilling civilians should be avoided if possible, but not everyone out of uniform is a civilian."

Fair enough. Although Bagamak specifically said only bombs excused

"that's different cause you are using your death as a weapon. they excuse bombs. but any other suicide is straight to hell"

If he only said the first part I would have had no issue.

It could also be possible that perhaps the man was motivated by Radical Islam(I don't think that was the case though) but perhaps he felt he deserved to go the hell or thought it would count as martyrdom or was trying to avoid capture.
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Vindris_SNH posted...

Again, I have no idea what is "likely". No idea at all. I'm pointing out that the thread title is incorrect. That is all.

You're being pedantic and trying to push a false narrative based on nothing. We can only take the police at their word, and saying "Well they didn't say for 100% that it wasn't so it still might be!" is absolutely doing such.

Vindris_SNH posted...

That was kind of my point. ISIS has lied about stuff like this before. This isn't news to me.

But you cited ISIS's claim as if it matters. It doesn't.

Vindris_SNH posted...

I'm not pushing a narrative. I'm seeking the truth.

The truth is we will never know what a persons true motivation was, barring a manifesto like situation. But it's irresponsible and dangerous to continue to push a narrative that "Well the FBI didn't technically rule it out so you never know guys"
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Ammonitida posted...

No, we can rule out Islam here. Had this been the motive, the killer would have made it easily known. The FBI would have found the evidence by now.

Correct. The incident in Edmonton a couple days ago took like 5 minutes.
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pikachupwnage posted...

Fair enough. Although Bagamak specifically said only bombs excused

"that's different cause you are using your death as a weapon. they excuse bombs. but any other suicide is straight to hell"

I said bombs cause that's the only way you can suicide and take others with you. I don't know why you have a problem with that wording

The Great Muta 22 posted...

Vindris_SNH posted...

Again, I have no idea what is "likely". No idea at all. I'm pointing out that the thread title is incorrect. That is all.

You're being pedantic and trying to push a false narrative based on nothing. We can only take the police at their word, and saying "Well they didn't say for 100% that it wasn't so it still might be!" is absolutely doing such.

Vindris_SNH posted...

That was kind of my point. ISIS has lied about stuff like this before. This isn't news to me.

But you cited ISIS's claim as if it matters. It doesn't.

Vindris_SNH posted...

I'm not pushing a narrative. I'm seeking the truth.

The truth is we will never know what a persons true motivation was, barring a manifesto like situation. But it's irresponsible and dangerous to continue to push a narrative that "Well the FBI didn't technically rule it out so you never know guys"

"The FBI didn't rule it out that the guy lost his favourite teddy bear, so we can't for sure say he wasn't motivated by that".
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A white man just killed a lot of people and some people are trying to tack it onto isis we have fucking nut jobs in this country just some crazy ass dude that wanted to kill people lets see if mr president calls him out
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Bagamak posted...

pikachupwnage posted...

Fair enough. Although Bagamak specifically said only bombs excused

"that's different cause you are using your death as a weapon. they excuse bombs. but any other suicide is straight to hell"

I said bombs cause that's the only way you can suicide and take others with you. I don't know why you have a problem with that wording

Dude. Really. That is objectively not true. There are myriad ways of murder suicide that have either happened or are possible.

Shoot someone with a gun. Than shoot yourself. It's even technically possible to shoot through yourself and the bullet can punch through you to hit someone else depending on where it hits, caliber of bullet etc.

Drive a car off a bridge into freezing water while there are passengers in the car.

Light a building on fire while you are in it and others are sleeping

Deliberately get infected with a extremely deadly disease and get as many others sick as possible.

Tackling someone off the roof of a tall building

Etc. etc.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

You're being pedantic and trying to push a false narrative based on nothing. We can only take the police at their word, and saying "Well they didn't say for 100% that it wasn't so it still might be!" is absolutely doing such.

I'm not trying to push any narrative. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop accusing me of that. The fact is, the FBI has not confirmed anything about Paddock's motivations. They simply stated there is no evidence he was involved with ISIS. They have not completely confirmed that he was not involved with ISIS. A lack of evidence proves nothing.

The Great Muta 22 posted...

But you cited ISIS's claim as if it matters. It doesn't.

How does it not matter? It doesn't prove this guy was motivated by ISIS, but it is still part of the situation. It is perfectly relevant.

The Great Muta 22 posted...

The truth is we will never know what a persons true motivation was, barring a manifesto like situation. But it's irresponsible and dangerous to continue to push a narrative that "Well the FBI didn't technically rule it out so you never know guys"

Again, I'm not pushing a narrative. Just making sure the facts are made clear.
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