Current Events > dark souls is not hard by any standard

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yeah sure, it might be remotely difficult compared to most modern games but fuck people need to stop riding its dick and overhyping how hard it is

the series only got easier with each game, especially with powerstancing clubs in DS2 and drang hammers/merc twinblades in 3

here is a an actual hard game tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cujHIkGRT7U
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I don't play that Naruto crap

When people say Dark Souls is hard, what they mean is "Dark Souls is hard while still actually being fun to play".
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Is this that boss you posted a few weeks ago that no one was able to beat without cheating?
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hyperpsycho posted...

Is this that boss you posted a few weeks ago that no one was able to beat without cheating?

Yup. 5 and a half years later Inbachi has not been legitimately cleared
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

When people say Dark Souls is hard, what they mean is "Dark Souls is hard while still actually being fun to play".

Yeah, that. Lotsa games were super difficult back in the 80s and 90s, mostly to make the game last longer, but since we now have the technology to make a game last long just because of how much content there is, there hasn't been as much of a need to make games all that hard.

The beauty of Dark Souls, or at least what it appears to be to me, someone who barely played it, is that it has both; lots of content and difficulty. It's not the hardest game, but it's rather refreshing compared to most games of today.

Being easy isn't itself a problem, and neither is being difficult. It all comes down to design.
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Being hard doesn't make a game fun. There's plenty of hard games that aren't being played because they are too hard. Plus the game you posted isn't even in the same genre, a more apt comparison would be Devil May Cry or Ninja Gaiden.
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Dark Souls is hard by modern standards and only somewhat hard by standards of previous eras.

Also if you play it as intended it is much harder than if you take it super slow, kite enemies, cheese fights with poison arrows whenever possible, grind for stats, etc.
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

Dark Souls is hard by modern standards and only somewhat hard by standards of previous eras.

Also if you play it as intended it is much harder than if you take it super slow, kite enemies, cheese fights with poison arrows whenever possible, grind for stats, etc.

There is no intended way to play the game

And no, it isnt hard by modern standards.

See: bullet hell games
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ManSpread posted...

here is a an actual hard game tho

being hard to look at isn't real game difficulty either
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TC's just salty because it's not weeb bullshit.
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so to make it harder they just add more bullets

how creative

i'm game-over-in-world-1-of-mario bad at video games and dark souls is not that bad
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weapon_d00d816 posted...

Dark Souls is hard by modern standards and only somewhat hard by standards of previous eras.

Also if you play it as intended it is much harder than if you take it super slow, kite enemies, cheese fights with poison arrows whenever possible, grind for stats, etc.

That is how it's intended to be played. It's supposed to be extremely methodical until you know the game extremely well.
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ManSpread posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

Dark Souls is hard by modern standards and only somewhat hard by standards of previous eras.

Also if you play it as intended it is much harder than if you take it super slow, kite enemies, cheese fights with poison arrows whenever possible, grind for stats, etc.

There is no intended way to play the game

And no, it isnt hard by modern standards.

See: bullet hell games

I'd say "not cheesing fights and actually taking risks by engaging enemies in their area of influence" is what they intended. The game has freedom to do those other things but that doesn't mean there isn't an umbrella of activities regarded as intentional play. If you've actually played the game you can infer developer intentions from area to area. Some enemies are meant to be ran from, some are meant as meat doors, etc.

It is hard by modern standards. There are harder games but they do not represent much of the market. Dark Souls is one of the hardest games within mainstream gaming.
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Fun hard > masochistic hard

Yes, there are harder games, however most people don't find the extreme play this fight 1,000 times to learn every pattern and execute it 100% flawlessly fun. Sure some do, but there's no mainstream appeal. No one's said these are the hardest games ever, they just offer some challenge over the immortality sims that most games are right now.
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to the people saying DS isn't hard, how many hours have you put into them?

ManSpread posted...

hyperpsycho posted...

Is this that boss you posted a few weeks ago that no one was able to beat without cheating?

Yup. 5 and a half years later Inbachi has not been legitimately cleared

Yeah this sounds like an absolute blast to play, and not stupidly frustrating and poorly designed.

There's a massive difference between owning up to dying because you know where you made a mistake and did it to yourself, compared to a dice roll and unfair difficulty where situations you die in are bullshit and uncontrollable because the game design is flawed and puts you in spots where no matter what you do, you are going to die.
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AlternativeFAQS posted...

to the people saying DS isn't hard, how many hours have you put into them?

barely played DS1 on steam since i mostly played it on xbox prior to PC release


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MabusIncarnate posted...

ManSpread posted...

hyperpsycho posted...

Is this that boss you posted a few weeks ago that no one was able to beat without cheating?

Yup. 5 and a half years later Inbachi has not been legitimately cleared

Yeah this sounds like an absolute blast to play, and not stupidly frustrating and poorly designed.

There's a massive difference between owning up to dying because you know where you made a mistake and did it to yourself, compared to a dice roll and unfair difficulty where situations you die in are bullshit and uncontrollable because the game design is flawed and puts you in spots where no matter what you do, you are going to die.

DDP SDOJ is not flawed in its design and there are no situations where death is forced upon the player

bosses follow a pattern with their bullets, its simply a matter of execution
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Aren't bullet hell games more memory than anything else? At least that's what I recall Touhou games being like. Just try a boss fight a hundred times and then win with sheer muscle memory. (?)

Not to say it's not difficult, I just find it to be a different kind of difficulty.
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Yomi posted...

Aren't bullet hell games more memory than anything else? At least that's what I recall Touhou games being like. Just try a boss fight a hundred times and then win with sheer muscle memory. (?)

Not to say it's not difficult, I just find it to be a different kind of difficulty.

i mean DS bosses and bullet hells are similar, its all patterns to memorize that change at certain health percentages

one of them actually requires good execution tho
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ManSpread posted...

i mean DS bosses and bullet hells are similar

yeah if the camera doesnt tweek out

ManSpread posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

Dark Souls is hard by modern standards and only somewhat hard by standards of previous eras.

Also if you play it as intended it is much harder than if you take it super slow, kite enemies, cheese fights with poison arrows whenever possible, grind for stats, etc.

There is no intended way to play the game

And no, it isnt hard by modern standards.

See: bullet hell games

Let's take some time to make fun of how bad TC's logic is.

Ghost Pepper's aren't even hot by modern standards.

See: Carolina Reapers.

Being punched in the nose doesn't even hurt that much by modern standards.

See: Being flayed alive.
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The hardest game I ever played was Ace Attorney Investigations

Motherfucking three cups
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ManSpread posted...

AlternativeFAQS posted...

to the people saying DS isn't hard, how many hours have you put into them?

barely played DS1 on steam since i mostly played it on xbox prior to PC release

so you've put 600 hours into the franchise (on steam alone).

Rocket League is my most played game ever sitting around 300 hours. You can't claim a game is easy just because you've mastered it and I can't claim people suck at Rocket League just because I can smash them without trying.

AlternativeFAQS posted...

ManSpread posted...

AlternativeFAQS posted...

to the people saying DS isn't hard, how many hours have you put into them?

barely played DS1 on steam since i mostly played it on xbox prior to PC release

so you've put 600 hours into the franchise (on steam alone).

Rocket League is my most played game ever sitting around 300 hours. You can't claim a game is easy just because you've mastered it and I can't claim people suck at Rocket League just because I can smash them without trying.

its an easy series
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I've been under the impression that Souls games were essentially a litmus test for one's (vidja game oriented) pattern recognition and adaptability. Like a "You must be this tall" sort of schtick, and less of a limit pusher such as the aforementioned bullet hells.
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there's nothing in the dark souls series you can't just overlevel or outgear, PVP included.
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SlashmanSG posted...

TC's just salty because it's not weeb bullshit.

p much

if it isnt weeb BS or a fighting game, manspread shits on it for no reason
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No offline pve games that can be beat any certain way are difficult. Online play against other human minds is the only difficult thing pertaining to video games.

TC when a game has been out for 5 years and still not been 100% completed w/o cheats.

That game is what is called "cheap hard" as opposed to "skill hard."

Of course I AM talking to manspread so I really shouldn't expect anything but drivel unless it's weeb stuff or fighting games...
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Pancake posted...

there's nothing in the dark souls series you can't just overlevel or outgear, PVP included.

Actually it's the opposite. Any enemy can still often kill you or chew in to your health if you're careless. Skill and focus is always more important. Gear makes minimal difference, assuming you can wear it. And "overleveling" to the point it turns the tides will take way longer than summoning in some help.
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CapnMuffin posted...

Gear makes minimal difference, assuming you can wear it.

In DS3 only

Heavy armour makes you practically invincible in DS1/2

Skill and focus is always more important.

biggest lie the series ever told you.
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In a world where most games have autosaving, checkpoints, difficultly sliders, 5 hour tutorials, loading screen hints

Comparatively Dark Souls is as hardcore as they come. It's not that difficult when you get into it but it is a breath of fresh air with how well it respects the player.
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sylverlolol posted...

SlashmanSG posted...

TC's just salty because it's not weeb bullshit.

p much

if it isnt weeb BS or a fighting game, manspread shits on it for no reason

I hate most modern FGs and the only "weeb shit" i play is shmups
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bullet hell games are so fucking lame smh
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

ManSpread posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

Dark Souls is hard by modern standards and only somewhat hard by standards of previous eras.

Also if you play it as intended it is much harder than if you take it super slow, kite enemies, cheese fights with poison arrows whenever possible, grind for stats, etc.

There is no intended way to play the game

And no, it isnt hard by modern standards.

See: bullet hell games

Let's take some time to make fun of how bad TC's logic is.

Ghost Pepper's aren't even hot by modern standards.

See: Carolina Reapers.

Being punched in the nose doesn't even hurt that much by modern standards.

See: Being flayed alive.

Lol, those are nice analogies to TC's terribly flawed logic
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...

Pogo_Marimo posted...

ManSpread posted...

weapon_d00d816 posted...

Dark Souls is hard by modern standards and only somewhat hard by standards of previous eras.

Also if you play it as intended it is much harder than if you take it super slow, kite enemies, cheese fights with poison arrows whenever possible, grind for stats, etc.

There is no intended way to play the game

And no, it isnt hard by modern standards.

See: bullet hell games

Let's take some time to make fun of how bad TC's logic is.

Ghost Pepper's aren't even hot by modern standards.

See: Carolina Reapers.

Being punched in the nose doesn't even hurt that much by modern standards.

See: Being flayed alive.

Lol, those are nice analogies to TC's terribly flawed logic

Not really
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ManSpread posted...

Not really

Actually, they are pretty damn accurate.
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is this argument still happening?

They may not be hard, but they require people to actually pay attention and be patient.

Something a lot of people have difficulty with.
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The hardest game in existence was whatever MOBA I was playing if you had me against you.

:)

Okay if you think Dark Souls is just so easy why don't you go challenge some of the better players to duels, see how you fare without a couple of Sunbros rolling all the pve for you?

Drang hammers. Lmfao
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Ilishe posted...

The hardest game in existence was whatever MOBA I was playing if you had me against you.

:)

Okay if you think Dark Souls is just so easy why don't you go challenge some of the better players to duels, see how you fare without a couple of Sunbros rolling all the pve for you?

Drang hammers. Lmfao

Hornet ring and parry fishing so hard
Carthus Curved Sword so hard
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Honestly, even Dead Rising 1 saint runs are harder than Dark Souls.
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Okay if you think Dark Souls is just so easy why don't you go challenge some of the better players to duels

1Drang hammers. Lmfao
Hornet ring and parry fishing so hard
Carthus Curved Sword so hard

yeah let's not use dks3 PVP as the example here. it somehow has less build diversity than 1.
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Pancake posted...

Okay if you think Dark Souls is just so easy why don't you go challenge some of the better players to duels

1Drang hammers. Lmfao
Hornet ring and parry fishing so hard
Carthus Curved Sword so hard

yeah let's not use dks3 PVP as the example here. it somehow has less build diversity than 1.

DMB scimitar and frontstabs are so hard
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i'm not even saying the PVP in 1 is better, just that it has a bit more diversity. which is sad.

the best is in 2, far and away.
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