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Agnostic420
09/29/17 8:36:10 AM
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_Near_
09/29/17 8:36:39 AM
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Sadly, he's right in most cases.

17 states don't protect sexual orientation at all
11 states protect sexual orientation but only in state employment (the majority of employment is private)

Thus, in most cases of employment, LGBT people are not protected in the United States.
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ImPickleRick
09/29/17 8:37:00 AM
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Obama bombed a hospital and no one cared.
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Nomadic View
09/29/17 8:37:48 AM
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_Near_ posted...
Sadly, he's right in most cases.


Although you're right, Trump is right in most cases, he's not here.
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tremain07
09/29/17 8:38:21 AM
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What a surprise, the racist president is also anti-gay, next you're gonna tell me he believes America is a christian nation.
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Bluebomber182
09/29/17 8:39:17 AM
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most pro lgbt candidate ever! he waved a rainbow flag!
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_Near_
09/29/17 8:39:50 AM
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Nomadic View posted...

Although you're right, Trump is right in most cases, he's not here.


Literally the opposite.
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Kineth
09/29/17 8:41:04 AM
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Didn't Trump promise to be an ally to the LGBT community? Like.. that's just completely spitting in the people's faces.
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Antifar
09/29/17 8:41:23 AM
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ImPickleRick posted...
Obama bombed a hospital and no one cared.

A lot of people cared, myself included. Furthermore, the civilian toll of our continued wars in the Middle East hasn't exactly been reduced under Trump, and at any rate that is not what this topic is about.
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A_Good_Boy
09/29/17 8:46:00 AM
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Bluebomber182 posted...
most pro lgbt candidate ever! he waved a rainbow flag!

He said Kaitlyn Jenner can piss in his tower. He's the most LGBT friendly president of all time! No wonder Sayoria was such a fervent supporter of this man!
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pegusus123456
09/29/17 8:47:12 AM
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SageHarpuia
09/29/17 8:47:47 AM
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He's not wrong.
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Zodd3224
09/29/17 8:50:37 AM
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Trump LOVES the gays almost as much as he loves the trans, the mexicans, the blacks, the muslims.

Its always cute to hear him call us "the blacks."
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pegusus123456
09/29/17 8:55:38 AM
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SageHarpuia posted...
He's not wrong.

Ya'll aren't reading the article.

His administration isn't just saying that it's legal, a DOJ lawyer is actively arguing in favor of it in a court case where a man is suing a former employer. What's kind of funny is that a federal agency (the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) had already sided with the man, so the federal government is on both sides of the case.
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OpheliaAdenade
09/29/17 8:57:52 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...
SageHarpuia posted...
He's not wrong.

Ya'll aren't reading the article.

His administration isn't just saying that it's legal, a DOJ lawyer is actively arguing in favor of it in a court case where a man is suing a former employer. What's kind of funny is that a federal agency (the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) had already sided with the man, so the federal government is on both sides of the case.


So they're playing both sides. :v Too scared to support the gays for fear of losing evangelical support.
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UnfairRepresent
09/29/17 8:58:49 AM
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pegusus of course defends this.

Morally Trump is in the toilet.

In terms of legalease and freedom + free market business rights. He's not wrong, just an asshole.
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Solar_Crimson
09/29/17 8:59:20 AM
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Nomadic View posted...
Trump is right in most cases

Not really, no.

ImPickleRick posted...
Obama bombed a hospital and no one cared.

Nice alternative facts you have there.
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UnfairRepresent
09/29/17 9:02:00 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...

Nice alternative facts you have there.

Everyone gave Obama a pass and now lies about Trump at every turn.

Anything else is fake news!
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eston
09/29/17 9:05:01 AM
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_Near_
09/29/17 9:06:22 AM
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pegusus123456 posted...

Ya'll aren't reading the article.


I mean, despite the fact that it's weird for the government to technically be playing both sides, it's not that surprising. Sexual orientation is not a protected class in the 14th amendment and there has been no federal act to make sexual discrimination illegal in state workplaces, so it's de-facto legal and it's been up to the states to protect gay people, which many haven't done. So the DOJ argument is actually based on precedent (which has been not to protect LGBT individuals), while the opposition is in the weaker position of trying to change the law. Luckily, the Obergefell marriage decision moved gay people up in the world, so we have more of a chance than we did before then.

With any hope, S.C. will read sexual discrimination into the 14th amendment and stop all this bullshit from happening.
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Philoktetes
09/29/17 9:08:19 AM
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Liberals wouldn't have a problem if it was muslims doing this because of their religion

but white christians don't have religious freedom
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A_Good_Boy
09/29/17 9:09:02 AM
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Philoktetes posted...
Liberals wouldn't have a problem if it was muslims doing this because of their religion

but white christians don't have religious freedom

So what's your take on this then?
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Kineth
09/29/17 9:09:45 AM
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Philoktetes posted...
Liberals wouldn't have a problem if it was muslims doing this because of their religion

but white christians don't have religious freedom


I don't know why I'm giving your words the time of day, but I don't give a shit about what another country's government is doing, especially, in comparison to what my country's government is doing.
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ImPickleRick
09/29/17 9:22:28 AM
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Kineth posted...
Philoktetes posted...
Liberals wouldn't have a problem if it was muslims doing this because of their religion

but white christians don't have religious freedom


I don't know why I'm giving your words the time of day, but I don't give a shit about what another country's government is doing, especially, in comparison to what my country's government is doing.

Yet liberals constantly want to let muslims into our country regardless that what they stand for goes against everything they believe.
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Drasilor
09/29/17 9:24:31 AM
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Stating facts hurttt muhhh feelingsssss.
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Solar_Crimson
09/29/17 9:25:58 AM
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Drasilor posted...
Stating facts hurttt muhhh feelingsssss.

Just like how conservatives got their feelings hurt by the NFL players kneeling.
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Agnostic420
09/29/17 9:42:53 AM
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Still interesting.
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Drasilor
09/29/17 9:49:49 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Drasilor posted...
Stating facts hurttt muhhh feelingsssss.

Just like how conservatives got their feelings hurt by the NFL players kneeling.


Uh..ok? Your point?
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The Great Muta 22
09/29/17 9:55:53 AM
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Trump administration being utter scumbags who want to be able to discriminate others? Shocking!
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pegusus123456
09/29/17 3:34:39 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
pegusus of course defends this.

Which part was me defending it, the part where I called Trump a jackass or where I just summarized the article?

_Near_ posted...
So the DOJ argument is actually based on precedent (which has been not to protect LGBT individuals),

Read the article tho

But the law has been interpreted to include protections for sexual orientation for decades, after multiple lower level district courts concluded beginning in 2002 that employees could not be fired simply for being gay. The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed in April that Title VII does in fact cover sexual orientation, noting that any other interpretation of the law would be "confusing and contradictory."

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_Near_
09/29/17 3:41:32 PM
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pegusus123456 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
pegusus of course defends this.

Which part was me defending it, the part where I called Trump a jackass or where I just summarized the article?

_Near_ posted...
So the DOJ argument is actually based on precedent (which has been not to protect LGBT individuals),

Read the article tho

But the law has been interpreted to include protections for sexual orientation for decades, after multiple lower level district courts concluded beginning in 2002 that employees could not be fired simply for being gay. The Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed in April that Title VII does in fact cover sexual orientation, noting that any other interpretation of the law would be "confusing and contradictory."


That's one circuit court, my dude.

https://www.bakerdonelson.com/circuit-split-expansion-of-title-vii-protections-and-sexual-orientation-as-a-subset-of-a-protected-class

Ms. Evans timely appealed the district court's ruling and the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) filed an amicus curiae brief in support of her position. The EEOC took the position that Ms. Evans presented two cognizable causes of action for discrimination under Title VII based upon her sexual orientation and gender identity/non-conformity.

The Eleventh Circuit disagreed, relying upon its prior opinion holding that Title VII does not prohibit discharge for homosexuality. Evans v. Georgia Regional Hospital, No. 15-15234 (11th Cir. Mar. 10, 2017).


The fact is that most of America doesn't have employment protections for LGBT people in the books. That's just a fact.

The seventh circuit is indicative of a recent CHANGE in the view that title VII does not protect sexual orientation. Courts have long since held that it didn't.

https://www.americanbar.org/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/human_rights_vol31_2004/summer2004/irr_hr_summer04_protectlgbt.html
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KStateKing17
09/29/17 5:07:59 PM
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Can't have a Trump (administration) topic without an Obama mention.
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Endofall
09/30/17 11:20:51 PM
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_Near_ posted...
Sadly, he's right in most cases.

17 states don't protect sexual orientation at all
11 states protect sexual orientation but only in state employment (the majority of employment is private)

Thus, in most cases of employment, LGBT people are not protected in the United States.

This is interesting statistics. I didn't know that.
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Ruvan22
10/01/17 2:48:21 PM
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Have Log Cabin Republicans issued a position statement about this?
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