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FLUFFYGERM 09/28/17 10:24:18 PM #51: |
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...ElatedVenusaur posted...This is cool and good. Restricting access to contraception and medical procedures such as abortions are a violation of a woman's right to control her own damned body. that's a stupid answer, because the deep south's restrictions don't change the principle of the matter. as a matter of principle, not paying for someone's abortion does not restrict them in any way any more than not paying for someone's food starves them ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Schwarber 09/28/17 10:24:19 PM #52: |
Saying "just close your legs" is not really the way to educate people about contraceptives.
NINExATExSEVEN posted... Or they could pay for their own abortions and if they can't then they get sent a bill that fucks up their credit score if it's ignored :] And then they need government assistance in order to live --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Schwarber 09/29/17 5:27:26 PM #53: |
Bump for good news
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Bloodychess 09/29/17 5:34:28 PM #54: |
A year later, all the politicians can look at each other and shrug with an "I don't know!" when they are asked how the financial situation in Illinois gets worse
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EmaIdon7 09/29/17 5:34:57 PM #55: |
Jesus
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smoliske 09/29/17 6:25:16 PM #56: |
Schwarber posted...
Saying "just close your legs" is not really the way to educate people about contraceptives. If you aren't smart enough to take a pill at the same time every day (or hell the patch, implant, or IUD if you're that damn forgetful) and use a condom you really should close your legs. It's not that difficult. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CADE FOSTER 09/29/17 6:26:28 PM #57: |
good woman have the right to choose
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tennisdude818 09/29/17 6:27:37 PM #58: |
"My body! Your wallet!"
-Feminists I guess the "I don't need a man" attitude has left feminism and it's devolved into socialism with panties. --- "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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smoliske 09/30/17 10:33:49 AM #60: |
shockthemonkey posted...
tennisdude818 posted..."My body! Your wallet!" he's not wrong ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Newhopes 09/30/17 10:36:59 AM #61: |
Socialism=spend other peoples money until they run out of it.
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EnragedSlith 09/30/17 10:38:40 AM #62: |
Moral quandaries aside, there is a lot of practical legislation that goes against popular moral sentiment that is dramatically better than the alternatives. Support for abortion is one of them
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Schwarber 09/30/17 12:09:50 PM #63: |
shockthemonkey posted...
tennisdude818 posted..."My body! Your wallet!" --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 09/30/17 12:14:39 PM #64: |
Newhopes posted...
Socialism=spend other peoples money until they run out of it. Abortion is cheaper than paying to support more poor people. Abortion is a huge money saver. Or is this really about feelings and money is just a lame attempt at an excuse? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 10/01/17 12:46:55 AM #65: |
hockeybub89 posted...
Newhopes posted...Socialism=spend other peoples money until they run out of it. This has always been a god awful defense of abortion. The only question that matters is, is the kid human yet? Otherwise, your comment could be used to justify shooting homeless people. --- "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 10/01/17 11:34:27 AM #66: |
tennisdude818 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...Newhopes posted...Socialism=spend other peoples money until they run out of it. All fetuses are human. The question is are they people yet? As I do not believe they are, paying to kill potential people is far cheaper than paying to support the lives of actual people. And honestly, even if fetuses are people, I still value them less than any born person and thus have no issue with us killing them. It will save us so much in the long run. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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untrustful 10/01/17 11:44:39 AM #67: |
FLUFFYGERM posted...
smoliske posted...Terrible idea to have tax payers pay for people's bad choices It's funny that this quote can go both ways. Even if taxpayer money doesn't go to abortions, taxpayers still pay for bad decisions that are born. At least when taxpayers pay for abortions, you know that's where it ends. The government isn't going to eventually pay for supporting a child that no one really cares about. --- My Mario Maker Levels https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/profile/untrustful?type=posted ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DKFjalfe 10/01/17 11:51:49 AM #68: |
Loving all the pro-life tears itt
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tennisdude818 10/01/17 12:05:09 PM #69: |
hockeybub89 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...hockeybub89 posted...Newhopes posted...Socialism=spend other peoples money until they run out of it. So the government can violate rights (steal from me) to fund something supposedly that saves money in the long run. That logic can be used to justify sterlizing people who recieve welfare. Personal liberty is thrown out the window once you resort to "my body, your wallet." I support ending the welfare state, but I mention the above to point out how liberals like to pick and choose when to value personal liberty to justify government force when they like it. --- "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anteaterking 10/01/17 12:05:28 PM #70: |
Why don't we look at any other bad choices when it comes to healthcare? If *insert person on Medicaid* over-exerts themselves and gets injured, should Medicaid still cover them?
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LightDarkFrexed 10/01/17 12:11:04 PM #71: |
Who cares? Illinois is a piece of crap state that is going to crumble even worse than Detroit.
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Schwarber 10/01/17 12:13:16 PM #72: |
tennisdude818 posted...
So the government can violate rights (steal from me) lol That logic can be used to justify sterlizing people who recieve welfare. Maybe if you're an idiot --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 10/01/17 12:18:02 PM #73: |
LightDarkFrexed posted...
Who cares? Illinois is a piece of crap state that is going to crumble even worse than Detroit. The public pension timebomb in Illinois will be epic to behold. The dems are already trying to milk homeowners dry to delay the implosion, but the governor is stopping them. When .gov pensions are threatened, they often turn into snakes that expect their neighbors to foot the bill. --- "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 10/01/17 12:19:09 PM #74: |
tennisdude818 posted...
So the government can violate rights (steal from me) to fund something supposedly that saves money in the long run. That logic can be used to justify sterlizing people who recieve welfare. Personal liberty is thrown out the window once you resort to "my body, your wallet." You do not have a right to not be taxed and I am advocating taking less of your money. And no, my logic can't be used to justify sterilizing people because I literally clarified my logic (holding the unborn to a different standard than the born). Slopes are only slippery if you leave them that way. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 10/01/17 12:21:34 PM #75: |
Schwarber posted...
tennisdude818 posted...So the government can violate rights (steal from me) Oh ok, you're not worth talking to. --- "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FrisbeeDude 10/01/17 12:22:13 PM #76: |
Lol at the people against this
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tennisdude818 10/01/17 12:24:02 PM #77: |
hockeybub89 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...So the government can violate rights (steal from me) to fund something supposedly that saves money in the long run. That logic can be used to justify sterlizing people who recieve welfare. Personal liberty is thrown out the window once you resort to "my body, your wallet." I wasn't referring to the rights of the kids being killed in that post, I was referring to the rights of people being forced to pay for it. Both sides of my analogy refer to adults. --- "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Schwarber 10/01/17 12:26:13 PM #78: |
I'm not the one being disingenuous and hyperbolic. You can't honestly expect anyone to take you seriously if you're going to be hysterical.
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tennisdude818 10/01/17 12:29:42 PM #79: |
Schwarber posted...
I'm not the one being disingenuous and hyperbolic. You can't honestly expect anyone to take you seriously if you're going to be hysterical. Throwing around adjectives doesn't get you any closer to making a real argument than just saying, "lol". --- "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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smoliske 10/01/17 2:37:15 PM #80: |
nothing justifies abortion, let alone taxpayer money. if you wanna kill your unborn child, don't do it on the taxpayer dime
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That_Happened 10/01/17 2:43:32 PM #81: |
smoliske posted...
nothing justifies abortion, let alone taxpayer money. if you wanna kill your unborn child, don't do it on the taxpayer dime When they end up raising their unwanted child they'll be doing it on the taxpayer dollar. that's the whole point. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PiOverlord 10/01/17 2:44:44 PM #82: |
I think this is messed up.
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smoliske 10/01/17 2:48:47 PM #83: |
That_Happened posted...
smoliske posted...nothing justifies abortion, let alone taxpayer money. if you wanna kill your unborn child, don't do it on the taxpayer dime if it gives the child a chance at life and the chance to be something it's a far better investment than murder ... Copied to Clipboard!
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That_Happened 10/01/17 2:58:55 PM #84: |
smoliske posted...
That_Happened posted...smoliske posted...nothing justifies abortion, let alone taxpayer money. if you wanna kill your unborn child, don't do it on the taxpayer dime It's statistically not, actually. And it's definitely not better for the taxpayers. So if your argument is about the taxpayers, the abortion is better because it saves money. If your argument is about the quality of life for the parents of an unwanted child, the abortion is better because having an unwanted baby (especially young) all but dooms you to a life of poverty. The only argument you have is an emotional cry of "just give the kid a chance!" but that's not a logical one. If you think forcing parents to have unwanted children is a "good investment" then you're fucking awful with money. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 10/01/17 3:09:24 PM #85: |
That_Happened posted...
smoliske posted...That_Happened posted...smoliske posted...nothing justifies abortion, let alone taxpayer money. if you wanna kill your unborn child, don't do it on the taxpayer dime Amazing how similar the left sounds to eugenicists on this topic. --- "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_Rinku_ 10/01/17 4:12:10 PM #86: |
tennisdude818 posted...
That_Happened posted...smoliske posted...That_Happened posted...smoliske posted...nothing justifies abortion, let alone taxpayer money. if you wanna kill your unborn child, don't do it on the taxpayer dime You realize eugenics, a systemic elimination of "undesirables", and a given woman terminating her pregnancy are very different things, right? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 10/01/17 4:15:57 PM #87: |
awesome. Abortions are the bee's knees :P
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That_Happened 10/01/17 5:00:19 PM #88: |
_Rinku_ posted...
You realize eugenics, a systemic elimination of "undesirables", and a given woman terminating her pregnancy are very different things, right? He probably doesn't. Tennis is one of our slower walkers. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 10/01/17 5:11:04 PM #89: |
_Rinku_ posted...
tennisdude818 posted...That_Happened posted...smoliske posted...That_Happened posted...smoliske posted...nothing justifies abortion, let alone taxpayer money. if you wanna kill your unborn child, don't do it on the taxpayer dime An argument supporting the public funding of killing "undesirable" kids because it supposedly makes society better off sounds nothing like arguments used to remove undesirable people. --- "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_Rinku_ 10/01/17 5:12:51 PM #90: |
No one's killing "kids." Silly goose.
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tennisdude818 10/01/17 5:20:19 PM #91: |
_Rinku_ posted...
No one's killing "kids." Silly goose. It sure is easier when we tell ourselves that. The west has gotten used to relying on the government to shield people from their own bad decisions. The idea that government funded abortion is cheaper than the welfare state is just another ugly side effect of the welfare state. We should stop using the government to pay people's bills and let local communities take care of people. And we should stop lying to ourselves about abortion. --- "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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metralo 10/01/17 5:23:19 PM #92: |
good. the more equal rights for women the better.
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That_Happened 10/01/17 5:25:40 PM #93: |
tennisdude818 posted...
An argument supporting the public funding of killing "undesirable" kids because it supposedly makes society better off sounds nothing like arguments used to remove undesirable people. I would like to cross your bridge, please. Do I have to answer three riddles? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_Rinku_ 10/01/17 5:27:06 PM #94: |
tennisdude818 posted...
_Rinku_ posted...No one's killing "kids." Silly goose. lol ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 10/01/17 5:28:40 PM #95: |
metralo posted...
good. the more equal rights for women the better. In a country with alimony laws like ours, government funded abortions are "equal rights for women". The government treats men like adults, and women like children. I don't know why I even bother with these topics. --- "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Delirious_Beard 10/01/17 5:28:52 PM #96: |
jesus at the nutjobs itt
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That_Happened 10/01/17 5:40:32 PM #97: |
tennisdude818 posted...
I don't know why I even bother with these topics. Agreed. You've tried and failed to show people the light on so many occasions. Don't bother from now on. It's just a waste of your energy. Take care! --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 10/01/17 5:42:43 PM #98: |
That_Happened posted...
tennisdude818 posted...I don't know why I even bother with these topics. I wonder if you've ever made an actual argument on this board before. Maybe you have once, by accident. --- "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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That_Happened 10/01/17 5:57:03 PM #99: |
tennisdude818 posted...
That_Happened posted...tennisdude818 posted...I don't know why I even bother with these topics. I accidentally made a couple of arguments when I was talking to smoliske earlier: just scroll up. But you? I wouldn't waste my time with you. You get nothing but jokes! You're lucky. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 10/01/17 6:08:47 PM #100: |
That_Happened posted...
tennisdude818 posted...That_Happened posted...tennisdude818 posted...I don't know why I even bother with these topics. You're referring to the sophistry I initially responded to? Ok. --- "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." -Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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