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Darkman124 09/28/17 9:28:05 AM #1:	https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/09/28/trump-waives-shipping-restrictions-puerto-rico/711541001/ obviously the ability of the island to offload ships in port has not improved. i question the reason for the change in ruling since he previously denied the request. is it simply bowing to public pressure to do something that won't help for appearance reasons? the alternate explanations are far darker. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:887441106] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote>https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/09/28/trump-waives-shipping-restrictions-puerto-rico/711541001/ obviously the ability of the island to offload ships in port has not improved. i question the reason for the change in ruling since he previously denied the request. is it simply bowing to public pressure to do something that won't help for appearance reasons? the alternate explanations are far darker.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Phantom_Nook 09/28/17 9:29:30 AM #2:	He got thrashed for refusing initially, so of course he changed his mind. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>Phantom_Nook posted [p:887441172] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote>He got thrashed for refusing initially, so of course he changed his mind.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ammonitida 09/28/17 9:30:13 AM #3:	The request wasn't previously denied. It was under review by the Department of Homeland security. <cite>Ammonitida posted [p:887441199] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote>The request wasn't previously denied. It was under review by the Department of Homeland security.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 09/28/17 9:31:28 AM #4:	Ammonitida posted... The request wasn't previously denied. It was under review by the Department of Homeland security. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-storm-maria-puertorico-shipping/u-s-says-no-need-for-puerto-rico-shipping-waiver-idUSKCN1C12UI The Trump administration on Tuesday said there was no need to waive shipping restrictions to help get fuel and supplies to storm-ravaged Puerto Rico, because it would do nothing to address the island's main impediment to shipping, damaged ports. The Department of Homeland Security, which waived the act after hurricanes Harvey and Irma, did not agree an exemption would help this time. Gregory Moore, a spokesman for Customs and Border Protection, an office of Homeland Security, said in a statement that an assessment by the agency showed there was "sufficient capacity" of U.S.-flagged vessels to move commodities to Puerto Rico. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:887441241] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ammonitida posted...</cite> <quote>The request wasn't previously denied. It was under review by the Department of Homeland security.</quote> https://www.reuters.com/article/us-storm-maria-puertorico-shipping/u-s-says-no-need-for-puerto-rico-shipping-waiver-idUSKCN1C12UI <quote> The Trump administration on Tuesday said there was no need to waive shipping restrictions to help get fuel and supplies to storm-ravaged Puerto Rico, because it would do nothing to address the island's main impediment to shipping, damaged ports.</quote> <quote>The Department of Homeland Security, which waived the act after hurricanes Harvey and Irma, did not agree an exemption would help this time. Gregory Moore, a spokesman for Customs and Border Protection, an office of Homeland Security, said in a statement that an assessment by the agency showed there was "sufficient capacity" of U.S.-flagged vessels to move commodities to Puerto Rico. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 09/28/17 9:32:15 AM #5:	My guess would be public pressure. Because there really wasn't a valid excuse not to. Even if the ports are damaged, they still need to get supplies down there. People will figure out how to unload. --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:887441273] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote>My guess would be public pressure. Because there really wasn't a valid excuse not to. Even if the ports are damaged, they still need to get supplies down there. People will figure out how to unload.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fam_Fam 09/28/17 9:33:38 AM #6:	b-b-b-but it took him so long! <cite>Fam_Fam posted [p:887441323] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote>b-b-b-but it took him so long!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 09/28/17 9:33:51 AM #7:	eston posted... My guess would be public pressure. mine too, which unfortunately means it's a fairly futile gesture that mainly is being done for appearances. but it's better than having denied aid that could have helped. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:887441328] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>My guess would be public pressure. </quote> mine too, which unfortunately means it's a fairly futile gesture that mainly is being done for appearances. but it's better than having denied aid that could have helped.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 09/28/17 9:35:57 AM #8:	Fam_Fam posted... b-b-b-but it took him so long! A week, wasn't it? That sounds like a very long time indeed to obstruct aid for a humanitarian crisis. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:887441397] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fam_Fam posted...</cite> <quote>b-b-b-but it took him so long!</quote> A week, wasn't it? That sounds like a very long time indeed to obstruct aid for a humanitarian crisis.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ammonitida 09/28/17 9:36:34 AM #9:	Department of Homeland Security officials refute what they call erroneous reports that the department has rejected a waiver request. Rather, the Department of Homeland Security is presently reviewing a waiver request submitted by eight members of congress, led by Nydia Velazquez (D-NY). <cite>Ammonitida posted [p:887441421] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote><quote>Department of Homeland Security officials refute what they call erroneous reports that the department has rejected a waiver request. Rather, the Department of Homeland Security is presently reviewing a waiver request submitted by eight members of congress, led by Nydia Velazquez (D-NY).</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 09/28/17 9:43:18 AM #10:	the information is being muddied a bit. http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/27/politics/jones-act-waiver-request-puerto-rico-dhs-hurricane-maria/ DHS spokesman David Lapan said US Customs and Border Protection has no pending official waiver request regarding Puerto Rico and that the story is "just not true." "We do not lack US-flagged vessel capacity to move commodities to Puerto Rico," Lapan said. Asked to comment, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said such a waiver is not yet needed. A senior administration official said Wednesday the White House does not expect DHS to make a decision on the waiver request by the end of the day, citing the consideration process. http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report-bret-baier/blog/2017/09/27/puerto-rico%E2%80%99s-governor-ricardo-rosello-hoping-federal-government-will-waive-jones However, DHS officials point out that the only reason the department can issue a waiver is, "in the interest of national defense." They add that if congress wants to change that law, they should go ahead and do so. "We don't have the authority to issue a waiver simply to lower costs." A waiver was granted to lift the Jones Act during the days immediately following Hurricane Harvey. That was in response to a request from the Department of Defense, which has not requested a waiver in the case of Puerto Rico. tl;dr here is that up until now the Trump administration has been opposed to waiving the Jones act. that was not in question at any point. Now, they are waiving it, and I'm left with the question of "did they do this because of new information, because of public pressure despite its uselessness, or because of public pressure in the face of it being useful?" I am inclined to think the second reason. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:887441683] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote>the information is being muddied a bit. http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/27/politics/jones-act-waiver-request-puerto-rico-dhs-hurricane-maria/ <quote>DHS spokesman David Lapan said US Customs and Border Protection has no pending official waiver request regarding Puerto Rico and that the story is "just not true." "We do not lack US-flagged vessel capacity to move commodities to Puerto Rico," Lapan said. Asked to comment, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said such a waiver is not yet needed. A senior administration official said Wednesday the White House does not expect DHS to make a decision on the waiver request by the end of the day, citing the consideration process. </quote> http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report-bret-baier/blog/2017/09/27/puerto-rico%E2%80%99s-governor-ricardo-rosello-hoping-federal-government-will-waive-jones <quote> However, DHS officials point out that the only reason the department can issue a waiver is, "in the interest of national defense." They add that if congress wants to change that law, they should go ahead and do so. "We don't have the authority to issue a waiver simply to lower costs." A waiver was granted to lift the Jones Act during the days immediately following Hurricane Harvey. That was in response to a request from the Department of Defense, which has not requested a waiver in the case of Puerto Rico.</quote> tl;dr here is that up until now the Trump administration has been opposed to waiving the Jones act. that was not in question at any point. Now, they are waiving it, and I'm left with the question of "did they do this because of new information, because of public pressure despite its uselessness, or because of public pressure in the face of it being useful?" I am inclined to think the second reason.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EnragedSlith 09/28/17 8:24:47 PM #11:	I was talking to a guy from there who told me thr situation was more complicated than that and that the bottleneck for supplies was off shore and fueling was an issue. So why Trump didn't just talk about that in the first place, I don't know. --- http://i.imgur.com/gIoselB.gif https://i.imgur.com/p8iCfHF.jpg <cite>EnragedSlith posted [p:887474970] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote>I was talking to a guy from there who told me thr situation was more complicated than that and that the bottleneck for supplies was off shore and fueling was an issue. So why Trump didn't just talk about that in the first place, I don't know.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 09/29/17 3:28:23 PM #12:	http://status.pr/Home --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:887521198] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote>http://status.pr/Home</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
iPhone_7 09/29/17 3:33:59 PM #13:	A lot of shipments are stuck in port because truck drivers haven't been able to go back to work. That's food meant for the grocery stores, and they've been completely empty for a while now. So the only places with food and water available are centers FEMA has set up for distribution. Those are some long lines. --- Sig User Logic http://i.imgur.com/lA5fm7w.jpg <cite>iPhone_7 posted [p:887521514] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote>A lot of shipments are stuck in port because truck drivers haven't been able to go back to work. That's food meant for the grocery stores, and they've been completely empty for a while now. So the only places with food and water available are centers FEMA has set up for distribution. Those are some long lines.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 09/29/17 3:56:40 PM #14:	Darkman124 posted... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/09/28/trump-waives-shipping-restrictions-puerto-rico/711541001/ obviously the ability of the island to offload ships in port has not improved. i question the reason for the change in ruling since he previously denied the request. is it simply bowing to public pressure to do something that won't help for appearance reasons? the alternate explanations are far darker. He denied it like 10 hours before he waived it. I agree, wonder what changed. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:887522698] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/09/28/trump-waives-shipping-restrictions-puerto-rico/711541001/ obviously the ability of the island to offload ships in port has not improved. i question the reason for the change in ruling since he previously denied the request. is it simply bowing to public pressure to do something that won't help for appearance reasons? the alternate explanations are far darker.</quote> He denied it like 10 hours before he waived it. I agree, wonder what changed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ItsYourFault 09/29/17 4:14:10 PM #15:	Phantom_Nook posted... He got thrashed for refusing initially, so of course he changed his mind. <cite>ItsYourFault posted [p:887523567] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote><cite>Phantom_Nook posted...</cite> <quote>He got thrashed for refusing initially, so of course he changed his mind.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 09/29/17 6:34:05 PM #16:	Zeeak4444 posted... He denied it like 10 hours before he waived it. I agree, wonder what changed. seems like public pressure. i actually am inclined to believe the administration's claim that it wouldn't have helped considering the reversal. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:887530920] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote> He denied it like 10 hours before he waived it. I agree, wonder what changed. </quote> seems like public pressure. i actually am inclined to believe the administration's claim that it wouldn't have helped considering the reversal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Turbam 09/29/17 6:34:53 PM #17:	Maybe he finally found out that Puerto Rico is actually part of the US? --- ~snip (V)_(; ;)_(V) snip~ I'm just one man! Whoa! Well, I'm a one man band! http://i.imgur.com/p9Xvjvs.gif <cite>Turbam posted [p:887530968] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote>Maybe he finally found out that Puerto Rico is actually part of the US?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BignutzisBack 09/29/17 6:38:42 PM #18:	he fucking better, don't push your America first views and then subsequently deny aid to a island that's part of the US --- http://i.imgur.com/plA0Vg9.gif http://i.minus.com/iluvk8aR4mzC8.gif <cite>BignutzisBack posted [p:887531193] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote>he fucking better, don't push your America first views and then subsequently deny aid to a island that's part of the US</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarlGrimes 09/29/17 6:56:21 PM #19:	"Trump needs to waive this!" "The only reason Trump waived this was to look good!" --- You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8 <cite>CarlGrimes posted [p:887532063] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote>"Trump needs to waive this!" "The only reason Trump waived this was to look good!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 09/29/17 7:00:08 PM #20:	CarlGrimes posted... "Trump needs to waive this!" "The only reason Trump waived this was to look good!" Are you trying to say that he didn't cave to public pressure in a bid to not look even worse when people itt already pointed out that he denied it then hours later changed his mind <cite>Axiom posted [p:887532253] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote>"Trump needs to waive this!" "The only reason Trump waived this was to look good!"</quote> Are you trying to say that he didn't cave to public pressure in a bid to not look even worse when people itt already pointed out that he denied it then hours later changed his mind</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarlGrimes 09/29/17 7:08:26 PM #21:	Axiom posted... CarlGrimes posted... "Trump needs to waive this!" "The only reason Trump waived this was to look good!" Are you trying to say that he didn't cave to public pressure in a bid to not look even worse when people itt already pointed out that he denied it then hours later changed his mind No, I am trying to say you people will find literally anything to bitch at, even if it is something that will help people. --- You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8 <cite>CarlGrimes posted [p:887532683] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote><cite>Axiom posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote>"Trump needs to waive this!" "The only reason Trump waived this was to look good!"</quote> Are you trying to say that he didn't cave to public pressure in a bid to not look even worse when people itt already pointed out that he denied it then hours later changed his mind</quote> No, I am trying to say you people will find literally anything to bitch at, even if it is something that will help people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 09/29/17 8:24:26 PM #22:	CarlGrimes posted... No, I am trying to say you people will find literally anything to b** at, even if it is something that will help people. i'm not bitching one of three things happened: 1) new information changed admin minds 2) public pressure made the admin change its position despite it being correct 3) public pressure made the admin change its position despite it being wrong i am inclined to think the reason was #2. #3 is just a little far beyond the pale for any government, considering the human cost of denying aid to your own people --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:887536361] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote>No, I am trying to say you people will find literally anything to b** at, even if it is something that will help people. </quote> i'm not bitching one of three things happened: 1) new information changed admin minds 2) public pressure made the admin change its position despite it being correct 3) public pressure made the admin change its position despite it being wrong i am inclined to think the reason was #2. #3 is just a little far beyond the pale for any government, considering the human cost of denying aid to your own people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 09/29/17 8:32:11 PM #23:	Darkman124 posted... Zeeak4444 posted... He denied it like 10 hours before he waived it. I agree, wonder what changed. seems like public pressure. i actually am inclined to believe the administration's claim that it wouldn't have helped considering the reversal. Agreed. From what I've heard from people involved in the mess it's a pretty sticky situation all around. Nothing but mixed messages TBH so I'm inclined to agree with you here. --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:887536717] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeeak4444 posted...</cite> <quote> He denied it like 10 hours before he waived it. I agree, wonder what changed. </quote> seems like public pressure. i actually am inclined to believe the administration's claim that it wouldn't have helped considering the reversal.</quote> Agreed. From what I've heard from people involved in the mess it's a pretty sticky situation all around. Nothing but mixed messages TBH so I'm inclined to agree with you here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
andel 09/29/17 8:32:26 PM #24:	CarlGrimes posted... Axiom posted... CarlGrimes posted... "Trump needs to waive this!" "The only reason Trump waived this was to look good!" Are you trying to say that he didn't cave to public pressure in a bid to not look even worse when people itt already pointed out that he denied it then hours later changed his mind No, I am trying to say you people will find literally anything to bitch at, even if it is something that will help people. trump never makes the right decision until public pressure forces him. that is a problem and he deserves the criticism --- I am thinking about just walking into the river now that Megaupload is gone and condoms are in porn.-Fubonis <cite>andel posted [p:887536732] in Trump waiv... [t:75822818]...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Axiom posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote>"Trump needs to waive this!" "The only reason Trump waived this was to look good!"</quote> Are you trying to say that he didn't cave to public pressure in a bid to not look even worse when people itt already pointed out that he denied it then hours later changed his mind</quote> No, I am trying to say you people will find literally anything to bitch at, even if it is something that will help people.</quote> trump never makes the right decision until public pressure forces him. that is a problem and he deserves the criticism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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