Current Events > I dont understand the military worship in America.

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It is a job, it isnt like they are simply volunteering out of love for their country or anything. They go to work and get paid. There are plenty of more dangerous jobs out there too. There is nothing special about military personnel, and they certainly dont deserve restaurant discounts.

There is nothing heroic about sitting on a military base in the Philippines doing nothing. The vast majority of military personnel dont even fight. And for those that do, they havent "fought for freedom" since WWII. Everything since then has just been America setting up puppet governments to protect their strategic interests. Being part of that is nothing to be proud of.

mobilebloechel posted...

You dirty fucking liberal

My post has nothing to do with politics. It is factual and unbiased by blind patriotism.

It's a little over the top nowadays

But enlisting is pretty damn brave. Sure, most don't ever see combat. But everyone who does has a possibility of being shipped off somewhere they might get shot at.
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How many people will bite the hook on this?
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littlebro07 posted...

It's a little over the top nowadays

A little? People shit their pants if you dont put your hand over your heart for a pointless display of irrational patriotism.

I don't think the current NFL thing is even necessarily related to the military.
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I would assume a lot of the culture of it goes back to WW2. Then after flagging support for US involvement in Vietnam the propaganda mills found a way to make people care again. I'm not sure how.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

I don't think the current NFL thing is even necessarily related to the military.

NFL players are only on the field for the anthem because the Department of Defense paid the league to do so
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TC what happened to your other two accounts bud?
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MabusIncarnate posted...

TC what happened to your other two accounts bud?

Take a guess.

the korean war and vietnam were also about fighting for freedom. resisting the spread of communism is fighting for freedom

Bagamak posted...

the korean war and vietnam were also about fighting for freedom. resisting the spread of communism is fighting for freedom

No, it is meddling in other countries affairs with the intent of setting up puppet governments. Vietnam represents everything that is wrong with America. No country should attempt to be the World Police.

Nobody worships the military except maybe some hicks down in south bumblefuck. But what's wrong with paying respect to the troops? They protect our country and the entire world. Anerican soldiers fought so that we could have freedom and liberty. USA! USA!
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DonaldClinton posted...

They protect our country and the entire world. Anerican soldiers fought so that we could have freedom and liberty. USA! USA!

Not really, and virtually no soldiers alive today have fought for freedom. They have been used as government pawns for political/economic gain (ie overthrow regimes that stood up to the USA or had oil).

DuchessRolab posted...

Vietnam represents everything that is wrong with America. No country should attempt to be the World Police.

The South Vietnamese wanted us there.

Bagamak posted...

DuchessRolab posted...

Vietnam represents everything that is wrong with America. No country should attempt to be the World Police.

The South Vietnamese wanted us there.

They should have defended their own fucking country then.

DuchessRolab posted...

Bagamak posted...

DuchessRolab posted...

Vietnam represents everything that is wrong with America. No country should attempt to be the World Police.

The South Vietnamese wanted us there.

They should have defended their own fucking country then.

the north had back up from China. only fair they got their own backup.

Bagamak posted...

DuchessRolab posted...

Bagamak posted...

DuchessRolab posted...

Vietnam represents everything that is wrong with America. No country should attempt to be the World Police.

The South Vietnamese wanted us there.

They should have defended their own fucking country then.

the north had back up from China. only fair they got their own backup.

So the government should just keep sending american citizens to die for other countries in order to make them more fair?

DuchessRolab posted...

So the government should just keep sending american citizens to die for other countries in order to make them more fair?

they went there to prevent Vietnam from falling to communism and we would have won if we didn't lose public support at home.

Bagamak posted...

DuchessRolab posted...

So the government should just keep sending american citizens to die for other countries in order to make them more fair?

they went there to prevent Vietnam from falling to communism and we would have won if we didn't lose public support at home.

Nothing wrong with communism.

I'm going to be honest but 2/3rds of the reason I'm interested in joining the military is because of free food, meds, lack of roaches and that there's guys that force me to workout.
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DuchessRolab posted...

Bagamak posted...

DuchessRolab posted...

So the government should just keep sending american citizens to die for other countries in order to make them more fair?

they went there to prevent Vietnam from falling to communism and we would have won if we didn't lose public support at home.

Nothing wrong with communism.

Something tells me you don't know the Cold War too well.
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DuchessRolab posted...

Nothing wrong with communism.

except countless human rights abuses

IHeartRadiation posted...

I'm going to be honest but 2/3rds of the reason I'm interested in joining the military is because of free food, meds, lack of roaches and that there's guys that force me to workout.

At least you are honest.

Bagamak posted...

DuchessRolab posted...

Nothing wrong with communism.

except countless human rights abuses

That isnt a component of the communist ideology and happens in all forms of government (Japanese internment camps, America?). Try again.

Sativa_Rose posted...

I don't think the current NFL thing is even necessarily related to the military.

It's not. The detractors are making it about that so they have a reason to argue against it.
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I agree. I was actually asked to leave a bar when the entire bar (during a karaoke night) was asked to stand during this dude who was on leave's song. He was with a big group of rowdy d-bags and he was on leave, and he knew the people running the place, so they said it wasn't an option to stand and salute him while he sung.

I stood my ground by NOT standing, told them that if they wanted me moved they'd have to throw me out, and that I was a patron in their establishment with a drink I paid for who was not being rowdy or belligerent. They knew that if they laid one hand on me, I would be able to sue them and I just sat there and continued to finish my drink, didn't stand or clap for the dude or anything.
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LovingPacifist posted...

I agree. I was actually asked to leave a bar when the entire bar (during a karaoke night) was asked to stand during this dude who was on leave's song. He was with a big group of rowdy d-bags and he was on leave, and he knew the people running the place, so they said it wasn't an option to stand and salute him while he sung.

I stood my ground by NOT standing, told them that if they wanted me moved they'd have to throw me out, and that I was a patron in their establishment with a drink I paid for who was not being rowdy or belligerent. They knew that if they laid one hand on me, I would be able to sue them and I just sat there and continued to finish my drink, didn't stand or clap for the dude or anything.

That is total BS. Good for you for not buying into that garbage. They expect special treatment when they dont deserve shit IMO. It is no different than any other job with an element of risk. There is nothing honorable about it.

LovingPacifist posted...

I agree. I was actually asked to leave a bar when the entire bar (during a karaoke night) was asked to stand during this dude who was on leave's song. He was with a big group of rowdy d-bags and he was on leave, and he knew the people running the place, so they said it wasn't an option to stand and salute him while he sung.

I stood my ground by NOT standing, told them that if they wanted me moved they'd have to throw me out, and that I was a patron in their establishment with a drink I paid for who was not being rowdy or belligerent. They knew that if they laid one hand on me, I would be able to sue them and I just sat there and continued to finish my drink, didn't stand or clap for the dude or anything.

LOL yeah those guys are tools if they go around making people stand at karaoke bars because they think they are war heroes or something

And this is coming from someone with a lot of respect for the military, even when I disagree with how the politicians use/abuse them
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guys, Loving Pacifist makes stuff up. His gimmick is making up stories about getting into fights with military people. he's literally the origin of the meme "Blood was everywhere". everything he says is a lie. he even makes up stories on the comic board where he claims to have a fued with a comic store owner because he had sex with the owner's daughter. nothing he says is real

DuchessRolab posted...

littlebro07 posted...

It's a little over the top nowadays

A little? People shit their pants if you dont put your hand over your heart for a pointless display of irrational patriotism.

Yep

I have veteran friends that think it's stupid as well
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literally the only vets I have heard who have a problem are people on the internet who are cherry picking, anyway. very inconsistent except for consistently saying whatever they think benefits their short-sighted argument. the argument is always adjusting depending on what counter argument is used. and when they've exhausted all excuses, they'll repeat their very first statement of the whole argument.
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DuchessRolab posted...

it isnt like they are simply volunteering out of love for their country or anything.

Proof?
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I have no idea. I respect and appreciate their service but I don't put them on a pedestal or anything.
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Thats the thing... these American soldiers did volunteer for whatever their reasons. US military is an all-volunteer military force. A military enlistment contract is at least 8 years for service to the country, an 8yr obligation. Thats 4 years active service, 4 years inactive service or 6 yrs active, 2 inactive. When active duty re-enlist, its to volunteer another term and commitment to their service to the country.

So what this means is the person enlisting or commissioned volunteers so the country wont make military service mandatory for its citizens. Remember, active duty and reserves. This is part of a total force concept. Reserves will augment active duty personnel in times when its required. These military members all volunteer their time and efforts so another can live their lives the way they want. This sacrifice for the fellow American is something thats both recognized and honored. a casualty in the battlefield was done so your fellow American, loved ones, sons, and daughters didnt have to fight in war.

Our foreign policy was always for the safety and safeguard of the citizens and country, then also by extention its allies. Thats why our military is all over the world. You ask why are our military is beloved. An American soldier died in the past present and future for you.
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bluezero posted...

DuchessRolab posted...

it isnt like they are simply volunteering out of love for their country or anything.

Proof?

Their paycheck. If they love the country so much, they should give the money back.

You've made this topic before

DuchessRolab posted...

bluezero posted...

DuchessRolab posted...

it isnt like they are simply volunteering out of love for their country or anything.

Proof?

Their paycheck. If they love the country so much, they should give the money back.

A lot people I know who have enlisted have done so as a career choice.
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

DuchessRolab posted...

bluezero posted...

DuchessRolab posted...

it isnt like they are simply volunteering out of love for their country or anything.

Proof?

Their paycheck. If they love the country so much, they should give the money back.

A lot people I know who have enlisted have done so as a career choice.

Exactly. They are mercenaries.

I agree with you TC that soldiers should not be worshipped, and that currently we have a cult in the US that cry if you kneel at a song or piece of cloth. People seem to be on some delusion what soldiers fought for. Last check its not for the crown, not for authoritarian government and not for a military run establishment but song worshippers and cloth worshippers seem to think so.

However I wouldnt go as far as to say soldiers didnt volunteer or they should live in poverty (where you say give back their paycheck.

DuchessRolab posted...

No country should attempt to be the World Police.

That is how we ended up with the last two World Wars. Obviously someone needs to take charge and keep everyone in line.
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LovingPacifist posted...

hand

was blood everywhere?

CarlGrimes posted...

That is how we ended up with the last two World Wars. Obviously someone needs to take charge and keep everyone in line.

so what would you do? let Germany invade other countries and take over Europe? cause that's what would have happened in both World Wars. maybe you could say that America should have stayed out of it. but don't you dare accuse Europe of "playing world police" when they did self defense against being conquered

Bagamak posted...

CarlGrimes posted...

That is how we ended up with the last two World Wars. Obviously someone needs to take charge and keep everyone in line.

so what would you do? let Germany invade other countries and take over Europe? cause that's what would have happened in both World Wars. maybe you could say that America should have stayed out of it. but don't you dare accuse Europe of "playing world police" when they did self defense against being conquered

My point was that America had to jump in and play world police because Germany and their allies were fucking everything up.
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The UN and International Criminal Court are supposed to provide a framework for dealing with international conflicts and crime, etc.
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Sativa_Rose posted...

The UN and International Criminal Court are supposed to provide a framework for dealing with international conflicts and crime, etc.

And look how that has turned out. North Korea has nukes, Saudi Arabia is on the human rights council, and the world is slipping closer to midnight.
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HBOSS posted...

Thats the thing... these American soldiers did volunteer for whatever their reasons. US military is an all-volunteer military force. A military enlistment contract is at least 8 years for service to the country, an 8yr obligation. Thats 4 years active service, 4 years inactive service or 6 yrs active, 2 inactive. When active duty re-enlist, its to volunteer another term and commitment to their service to the country.

I am pretty sure they offer shorter contracts for certain people. Like I know for a fact that the Army has offered 3 year contracts to people. Not 3 years active duty followed by reserves, but 3 years total.
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Sports player protests the flag: YOU MUST BE PROTESTING AMERICA AND ITS TROOPS!!!!!!
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