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FLUFFYGERM
09/27/17 5:47:42 PM
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fVzvOMM

It's more evidence that Russia is trying to stir shit up inside America and inside the west in general. Here's some information I found on Reddit with regards to Russia's strategy, which is based on Foundations of Geopolitics, by Alexander Dugin, a text that is embraced by Russian high command.

The book declares that "the battle for the world rule of [ethnic] Russians" has not ended and Russia remains "the staging area of a new anti-bourgeois, anti-American revolution."

The Eurasian Empire will be constructed "on the fundamental principle of the common enemy: the rejection of Atlanticism, strategic control of the USA, and the refusal to allow liberal values to dominate us."[1]

Military operations play relatively little role. The textbook believes in a sophisticated program of subversion, destabilization, and disinformation spearheaded by the Russian special services. The operations should be assisted by a tough, hard-headed utilization of Russia's gas, oil, and natural resources to bully and pressure other countries.[1]

The book states that "the maximum task [of the future] is the 'Finlandization' of all of Europe".[1]

In Europe:

Germany should be offered the de facto political dominance over most Protestant and Catholic states located within Central and Eastern Europe. Kaliningrad oblast could be given back to Germany. The book uses the term a "Moscow-Berlin axis".[1]

France should be encouraged to form a "Franco-German bloc" with Germany. Both countries have a "firm anti-Atlanticist tradition".[1]

United Kingdom should be cut off from Europe.[1]

Finland should be absorbed into Russia. Southern Finland will be combined with the Republic of Karelia and northern Finland will be "donated to Murmansk Oblast".[1]

Estonia should be given to Germany's sphere of influence.[1] Latvia and Lithuania should be given a "special status" in the Eurasian-Russian sphere.[1]

Poland should be granted a "special status" in the Eurasian sphere.[1]

Romania, Macedonia, "Serbian Bosnia" and Greece "orthodox collectivist East" will unite with the "Moscow the Third Rome" and reject the "rational-individualistic West".[1]

Ukraine should be annexed by Russia because ""Ukraine as a state has no geopolitical meaning, no particular cultural import or universal significance, no geographic uniqueness, no ethnic exclusiveness, its certain territorial ambitions represents an enormous danger for all of Eurasia and, without resolving the Ukrainian problem, it is in general senseless to speak about continental politics". Ukraine should not be allowed to remain independent, unless it is cordon sanitaire, which would be inadmissible.[1]

In the Middle East and Central Asia:

The book stresses the "continental Russian-Islamic alliance" which lies "at the foundation of anti-Atlanticist strategy". The alliance is based on the "traditional character of Russian and Islamic civilization". Iran is a key ally. The book uses the term "Moscow-Tehran axis".[1]

Armenia has a special role and will serve as a "strategic base" and it is necessary to create "the [subsidiary] axis Moscow-Erevan-Teheran". Armenians "are an Aryan people [like] the Iranians and the Kurds".[1]

Azerbaijan could be "split up" or given to Iran.[1]

Georgia should be dismembered. Abkhazia and "United Ossetia" (which includes Georgia's South Ossetia) will be incorporated into Russia. Georgia's independent policies are unacceptable.[1]
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FLUFFYGERM
09/27/17 5:47:52 PM
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Russia needs to create "geopolitical shocks" within Turkey. These can be achieved by employing Kurds, Armenians and other minorities.[1]

The book regards the Caucasus as a Russian territory, including "the eastern and northern shores of the Caspian (the territories of Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan)" and Central Asia (mentioning Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kirghistan and Tajikistan).[1]

In Asia:

China, which represents a danger to Russia, "must, to the maximum degree possible, be dismantled". Dugin suggests that Russia start by taking Tibet-Xinjiang-Mongolia-Manchuria as a security belt.[2] Russia should offer China help "in a southern direction Indochina (except Vietnam), the Philippines, Indonesia, Australia" as geopolitical compensatation.[1]

Russia should manipulate Japanese politics by offering the Kuril Islands to Japan and provoking anti-Americanism.[1]

Mongolia should be absorbed into Eurasia-Russia.[1]

The book emphasizes that Russia must spread Anti-Americanism everywhere: "the main 'scapegoat' will be precisely the U.S."

In the United States:

Russia should use its special forces within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism. For instance, **provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."[1]


The Eurasian Project could be expanded to South and Central America.[1]
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FLUFFYGERM
09/27/17 5:49:06 PM
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The tl;dr is that identity politics is a communist invention, and that Russia is using the internet and identity politics to create deep divisions in the west, particularly in America. The goal is to destabilize the US and the west so that Russia can emerge as the world's leading super power.
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Mr_Biscuit
09/27/17 5:49:31 PM
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It's almost like Russia is working actively to demonize the left and promote people like Trump in an effort to destabilize the nation

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Ammonitida
09/27/17 5:49:31 PM
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That's a parody account.
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A_Good_Boy
09/27/17 5:50:16 PM
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Can you stop using coin flips to determine when the Russia narrative is real or fake news?
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Zeeak4444
09/27/17 5:52:24 PM
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Not sure how verified that post is but I can honestly say I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it was real.

It actually makes sense and would be a logical tactic against the US.
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JE19426
09/27/17 5:52:30 PM
#8:


Ammonitida posted...
That's a parody account.


This.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/27/17 5:53:02 PM
#9:


The account was suspended. Probably not a parody account.
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Mr_Biscuit
09/27/17 6:14:15 PM
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JE19426 posted...
Ammonitida posted...
That's a parody account.


This.

A parody of a leftist group... run from Russia

Hmmmmm what could be the intention
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Blue_Dream87
09/27/17 6:16:05 PM
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JE19426 posted...
Ammonitida posted...
That's a parody account.


This.


Those

Still fully expect redhats to scream fake news and believe it to be authentic
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FLUFFYGERM
09/27/17 7:11:59 PM
#12:


what evidence is there that it's a parody account
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DarthAragorn
09/27/17 7:22:12 PM
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Can't you fake the location pretty easily
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NINExATExSEVEN
09/27/17 7:38:24 PM
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Lol RUSSIA!

This sounds just as insane as the "Jews control everything" narrative.
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RebelElite791
09/27/17 7:41:15 PM
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Lol RUSSIA!

This sounds just as insane as the "Jews control everything" narrative.

Except you believe one of those.
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Hexenherz
09/27/17 7:46:41 PM
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DarthAragorn posted...
Can't you fake the location pretty easily

Probably as easy as connecting through VPN to a server in the country you want to post from.
But I don't know why they'd want to do that in this case given the current domestic political situation.

This doesn't surprise me given Russia's well-known hate for fascists.
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NINExATExSEVEN
09/27/17 7:46:48 PM
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RebelElite791 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Lol RUSSIA!

This sounds just as insane as the "Jews control everything" narrative.

Except you believe one of those.


No i don't. There are wealthy Jewish people in politics that use a lot of ant-white rhetoric, but to think that our world is controlled by Jews with no evidence and just speculation is ridiculous.

That's what this Russian "subversion" sounds like. Lots of hot air.
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Hexenherz
09/27/17 7:48:00 PM
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Lol RUSSIA!

This sounds just as insane as the "Jews control everything" narrative.

Except you believe one of those.


No i don't. There are wealthy Jewish people in politics that use a lot of ant-white rhetoric, but to think that our world is controlled by Jews with no evidence and just speculation is ridiculous.

That's what this Russian "subversion" sounds like. Lots of hot air.


It's what they've been doing around the world for the last few years. It's not just in the US, it's throughout Europe as well. I wouldn't be surprised if they did it in certain Asiatic countries but I don't read their news sites.
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CarlGrimes
09/27/17 7:48:04 PM
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Well isn't Antifa a bunch of pinko commies anyways? Of course they would have Russian connections.
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NINExATExSEVEN
09/27/17 7:52:35 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Lol RUSSIA!

This sounds just as insane as the "Jews control everything" narrative.

Except you believe one of those.


No i don't. There are wealthy Jewish people in politics that use a lot of ant-white rhetoric, but to think that our world is controlled by Jews with no evidence and just speculation is ridiculous.

That's what this Russian "subversion" sounds like. Lots of hot air.


It's what they've been doing around the world for the last few years. It's not just in the US, it's throughout Europe as well. I wouldn't be surprised if they did it in certain Asiatic countries but I don't read their news sites.


But talking about subversion with no evidence is pointless. We know Russia is into geopolitics because we know all powerful countries are into geopolitics.

Russia, America, Western Europe, China etc all play this game. To what extent though we don't know.

What tc posted sounds like something you would read on infowars.
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thronedfire2
09/27/17 7:53:59 PM
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Blue_Dream87 posted...
JE19426 posted...
Ammonitida posted...
That's a parody account.


This.


Those

Still fully expect redhats to scream fake news and believe it to be authentic


uh..wouldn't that be the entire point of Russia doing something like this?
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Hexenherz
09/27/17 7:55:17 PM
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You'd never know to what extent. But there have been very clear-cut and publicized cases of Russian-backed (or at least Russian-aligned) subversion in countries such as Ukraine, Sweden, Germany, the Netherlands, allegedly France...

What TC posted sounds like a legitimate thing that happened. Who the actual perpetrators were and what their goal was is worth speculating.
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twitterfriends
09/27/17 8:07:19 PM
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This is really really messed up
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Trigg3rH4ppy
09/27/17 8:16:09 PM
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How old is this book again?

Edit:. 1997, ok that's fucking creepy
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NINExATExSEVEN
09/27/17 8:26:33 PM
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
How old is this book again?

Edit:. 1997, ok that's fucking creepy


@Trigg3rH4ppy

I hope you don't really believe this.
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Trigg3rH4ppy
09/27/17 9:32:01 PM
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@NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
How old is this book again?

Edit:. 1997, ok that's fucking creepy


@Trigg3rH4ppy

I hope you don't really believe this.

I don't know if the information in the OP is accurate, because im not planning on reading the book, but I do know this book really exists and was written in 97.

I'm putting it in my possibility or crazy coincidence category.

The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia is a geopolitical book by Aleksandr Dugin. The book has had a large influence within the Russian military, police, and foreign policy elites[1] and was allegedly used as a textbook in the General Staff Academy of Russian military.[1]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics


Some of the so called strategies in the OP are a little too on the nose, but I'll read the wiki fully later and see for myself.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/27/17 11:44:57 PM
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it's creepy but it is 100% true
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Antifar
09/27/17 11:53:13 PM
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1. Russia is not communist and has not been in 25 years (at least)
2. That is a parody account designed to tweet inflammatory things that then get associated with the left
3. The idea that Russia is responsible for racial divisions in the US is laughable. We're perfectly capable of creating our own.
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NINExATExSEVEN
09/27/17 11:55:48 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
it's creepy but it is 100% true


I could post things right now that were written in the early 1900's with clear instructions on how to change the demographics of Europe and America, and it would be creepy because what's written seems to have been happening 100% according to plan. It's called the kalergi plan.

It's clever conspiracy that hasn't been proven just like this Russian conspiracy.

Try to think logically.
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Rexdragon125
09/28/17 8:37:58 AM
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masterpug53
09/28/17 8:44:53 AM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
Not sure how verified that post is but I can honestly say I wouldn't be surprised in the least if it was real.

It actually makes sense and would be a logical tactic against the US.


Meh, we finally won the Cold War through cultural subversion. Only makes sense that they would eventually pay us back in kind.
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Doom_Art
09/28/17 8:50:54 AM
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...
like this Russian conspiracy.

I mean I'm not sure why you're calling the Russia stuff a conspiracy. Considering there's evidence and several instances of it.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/28/17 9:04:49 AM
#33:


Doom_Art posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
like this Russian conspiracy.

I mean I'm not sure why you're calling the Russia stuff a conspiracy. Considering there's evidence and several instances of it.


maybe he's a communist
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FLUFFYGERM
09/28/17 12:55:28 PM
#34:


600 more accounts have been linked to Russia

https://www.cnet.com/news/russian-linked-twitter-accounts-stoked-nfl-anthem-debate/

Definitely not parodies. This is a real and active Russian effort to use identity politics in order to divide America.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/28/17 12:56:31 PM
#35:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
600 more accounts have been linked to Russia

https://www.cnet.com/news/russian-linked-twitter-accounts-stoked-nfl-anthem-debate/

Definitely not parodies. This is a real and active Russian effort to use identity politics in order to divide America.


@Antifar
@Ammonitida

Proof!
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MorbidFaithless
09/28/17 12:59:01 PM
#36:


Um...how is this news to y'all? There are thousands of pro trump Russian bots on Twitter...
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FLUFFYGERM
09/28/17 1:02:48 PM
#37:


MorbidFaithless posted...
Um...how is this news to y'all? There are thousands of pro trump Russian bots on Twitter...


It's proof that the entire drama behind identity politics and communist bullshit in academia is likely due to Russian attempts at dividing America into another civil war.
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NINExATExSEVEN
09/28/17 1:04:47 PM
#38:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
600 more accounts have been linked to Russia

https://www.cnet.com/news/russian-linked-twitter-accounts-stoked-nfl-anthem-debate/

Definitely not parodies. This is a real and active Russian effort to use identity politics in order to divide America.


Hmmmm. Interesting. George Soros funds extremist groups in the states as well.

Why you so jelly of us world?
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Dathrowed1
09/28/17 1:05:33 PM
#39:


NINExATExSEVEN posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
NINExATExSEVEN posted...
Lol RUSSIA!

This sounds just as insane as the "Jews control everything" narrative.

Except you believe one of those.


No i don't. There are wealthy Jewish people in politics that use a lot of ant-white rhetoric, but to think that our world is controlled by Jews with no evidence and just speculation is ridiculous.

That's what this Russian "subversion" sounds like. Lots of hot air.

Coincidentally (and nothing more) there is a strong association with Russian Americans being Jewish
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Millennials
09/28/17 1:05:58 PM
#40:


Whether or not the OP is true, we know for a fact that Russians have been duping the right via social media initiatives to cause discord; there's no reason to think they aren't doing it to the left as well. Russia is and has been our enemy. Don't make this a "lol dumb (other team) falling for this" because that's exactly what they want.
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Alabaster_Wings
09/28/17 1:06:20 PM
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Duh, Russia exploits divisions in order to foment instability, did you guys think this WASN'T going on?

Wonder how many of y'all woulda been proud to vote for Hilldog if Russia hasn't filled your gullible sheep brains with memes and propaganda about "the DNC rigged the election" and "Clinton is the devil incarnate," lmao
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NINExATExSEVEN
09/28/17 1:09:50 PM
#42:


Tc have you seen this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqSV72VNnV0


It's an ex kgb member talking about how Soviet Russia uses ideological subversion in America. It's happening here just like he said.

Very intresting. Watch it.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/28/17 1:12:05 PM
#43:


it's a shame so many americans are so unbelievably stupid that they believe anything they see on twitter and on cnn
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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/28/17 1:21:23 PM
#44:


This reminds me of the most recent season of Homeland to an extent. No link has been made to Russia, but the way the season ended, it very well could go in that direction next season.
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Hexenherz
09/28/17 1:21:26 PM
#45:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
it's a shame so many americans are so unbelievably stupid that they believe anything they see on twitter and on cnn

lmao, why just CNN? It's basically any major news outlet. And it's sad that RT is gaining traction here too.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/28/17 1:22:45 PM
#46:


Hexenherz posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
it's a shame so many americans are so unbelievably stupid that they believe anything they see on twitter and on cnn

lmao, why just CNN? It's basically any major news outlet. And it's sad that RT is gaining traction here too.


cnn is a great example of a news source that has become incredibly dumbed down and subversive
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FLUFFYGERM
09/28/17 10:10:53 PM
#47:


Fake Black activist accounts also linked to Russia.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/09/28/media/blacktivist-russia-facebook-twitter/index.html

Now even CNN is reporting on it. Looks like communists like @Antifar can't pretend it's parody accounts anymore. Russian communists are literally trying to divide and destroy America using identity politics and faux class warfare.
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Darksaber310
09/28/17 10:30:20 PM
#48:


There's a lot of assumptions couched in this that I find troubling. First off, it's about Russia, so y'know... Muddied waters, exceptional proof needed, etc.

Second is assuming anyone who wanted to say implicate Russia (see above) the answer is a $2 VPN sub and an account setting "accidentally left on." Third is by conflating the actions of a few russians with Russia, you remove the agency of individuals who just wanna shitpost (see that twitter acct.)

Fourth is that of course CNN is jumping on it, repeating disproven things ad nauseum had to have been grating, even for them. Finally, even if what's assumed/attributed is 150% true, this is blaming that gun for a massacre. If we get violent in the face of rhetoric and opinions who's to blame, the literal shitposter or the guys rioting?

It's not Russia's fault we're all screeching reprobates when it comes to political discourse, if anything our intelligence agencies would be doing us a disservice if they saw the inverse of this situation and did nothing to foment it.
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DarthAragorn
09/28/17 10:31:25 PM
#49:


Darksaber310 posted...
There's a lot of assumptions couched in this that I find troubling. First off, it's about Russia, so y'know... Muddied waters, exceptional proof needed, etc.

Second is assuming anyone who wanted to say implicate Russia (see above) the answer is a $2 VPN sub and an account setting "accidentally left on." Third is by conflating the actions of a few russians with Russia, you remove the agency of individuals who just wanna shitpost (see that twitter acct.)

Fourth is that of course CNN is jumping on it, repeating disproven things ad nauseum had to have been grating, even for them. Finally, even if what's assumed/attributed is 150% true, this is blaming that gun for a massacre. If we get violent in the face of rhetoric and opinions who's to blame, the literal shitposter or the guys rioting?

It's not Russia's fault we're all screeching reprobates when it comes to political discourse, if anything our intelligence agencies would be doing us a disservice if they saw the inverse of this situation and did nothing to foment it.

I think you could even do it for free with a rooted Android phone too
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FLUFFYGERM
09/28/17 10:32:23 PM
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Darksaber310 posted...
There's a lot of assumptions couched in this that I find troubling. First off, it's about Russia, so y'know... Muddied waters, exceptional proof needed, etc.

Second is assuming anyone who wanted to say implicate Russia (see above) the answer is a $2 VPN sub and an account setting "accidentally left on." Third is by conflating the actions of a few russians with Russia, you remove the agency of individuals who just wanna shitpost (see that twitter acct.)

Fourth is that of course CNN is jumping on it, repeating disproven things ad nauseum had to have been grating, even for them. Finally, even if what's assumed/attributed is 150% true, this is blaming that gun for a massacre. If we get violent in the face of rhetoric and opinions who's to blame, the literal shitposter or the guys rioting?

It's not Russia's fault we're all screeching reprobates when it comes to political discourse, if anything our intelligence agencies would be doing us a disservice if they saw the inverse of this situation and did nothing to foment it.


the simple solution is for us to stop the identity politics entirely and for everyone to be super skeptical about what they read online. if we become smarter as a people and less prone to divisions, favoring unity rather than identity politics bullshit, we'll be better off and we won't even need to care if it was russia or not.
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