Current Events > Best proof we have that the electoral college needs revisions/ abolish

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First time the EC elected a president was because of a 2000 vote difference in Florida that had voter problems.

What was the result? one of the worst presidents in US history who batched katrina, and likely had a hand in 9-11, as in not stopping it or help let it happen, they knew about it before hand and could done more.

Now the EC/ pop lost elected the worst president in us history, who has self interest conflicts in passing "laws", Trump Will Sign Executive Order to Make Discrimination Great Again, and telling the NFL to Fire players who don’t stand for the national anthem

tired of this SH**** and its not even be a year yet
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I don't think you should base disdain for the EC off of who it ended up giving us. It's not like the Electoral College would be better if Clinton had won the EC and Trump had won the popular vote by 3 million.
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Anteaterking posted...

I don't think you should base disdain for the EC off of who it ended up giving us. It's not like the Electoral College would be better if Clinton had won the EC and Trump had won the popular vote by 3 million.

I mean isn’t one of the points of the EC to “save us from ourselves” so to speak? Sounds like that’s exactly what you’re supposed to base it on...
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VipaGTS posted...

Anteaterking posted...

I don't think you should base disdain for the EC off of who it ended up giving us. It's not like the Electoral College would be better if Clinton had won the EC and Trump had won the popular vote by 3 million.

I mean isn’t one of the points of the EC to “save us from ourselves” so to speak? Sounds like that’s exactly what you’re supposed to base it on...

That was when electors actually had essentially free reign to vote for whoever they wanted to.

The way that it works now, where we sort of break up the popular vote and distribute electoral votes that way, it's not doing anything to save us from ourselves. How does making e.g. Delaware voters worth more than e.g. Pennsylvania voters "saving us from ourselves"?
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I would like our fucking votes to matter fuck the electoral college
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CADE FOSTER posted...

I would like our fucking votes to matter fuck the electoral college

yeah that is another thing, a lot of states your votes does not matter due to being a "safe state"
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It is interesting to think that the majority of voters have voted democrat in six of the last seven elections, of which the one that did get more republican votes wouldn't even exist if he hadn't already been president.
It's like the YouGov Polls showing the majority of people (across the political spectrum) either want to keep the same healthcare we currently have (the ACA) or expand it further, not many support any of the GOP attempts t repeal and replace. In fact, it seems that outside of guns and abortion, the Republican Party's policies just aren't attractive to many people (and obviously those two are divisive among voters). Really digs in on how pathetic the Democratic Party is that they can't capitulate on this.

I don't know where I stand on removing the EC, but I do think that at the least we should use the Wyoming Rule for House of Representative and then adjust the EC from there using the results of that, and also the congressional district method a la Maine and Nebraska or something similar.
Of course, California gains big under the Wyoming Rule (13 new seats), Texas (nine new seats), and New York (seven)... meaning more swing for Democrats (although interestingly enough, Trump would still have won in 2016 so maybe it's not as crazy).
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Squidkids posted...

yeah that is another thing, a lot of states your votes does not matter due to being a "safe state"

Safe blue states went red last election though

russians
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KarmaMuffin posted...

Squidkids posted...

yeah that is another thing, a lot of states your votes does not matter due to being a "safe state"

Safe blue states went red last election though

those where not safe, just leaning.
The Hillery campaign claimed they where safe from arrogance.
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@Hinakuluiau posted...

It is interesting to think that the majority of voters have voted democrat in six of the last seven elections, of which the one that did get more republican votes wouldn't even exist if he hadn't already been president.
It's like the YouGov Polls showing the majority of people (across the political spectrum) either want to keep the same healthcare we currently have (the ACA) or expand it further, not many support any of the GOP attempts t repeal and replace. In fact, it seems that outside of guns and abortion, the Republican Party's policies just aren't attractive to many people (and obviously those two are divisive among voters). Really digs in on how pathetic the Democratic Party is that they can't capitulate on this.

I don't know where I stand on removing the EC, but I do think that at the least we should use the Wyoming Rule for House of Representative and then adjust the EC from there using the results of that, and also the congressional district method a la Maine and Nebraska or something similar.
Of course, California gains big under the Wyoming Rule (13 new seats), Texas (nine new seats), and New York (seven)... meaning more swing for Democrats (although interestingly enough, Trump would still have won in 2016 so maybe it's not as crazy).

I think change the EC is most fitting for you, for example, it would be less BS if it wasn't a winner take all system (my main point about bush and Florida) he won the presidency because of 2000 votes counted there, he should of NEVER BEEN president.
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Hinakuluiau posted...

I don't know where I stand on removing the EC, but I do think that at the least we should use the Wyoming Rule for House of Representative and then adjust the EC from there using the results of that, and also the congressional district method a la Maine and Nebraska or something similar.
Of course, California gains big under the Wyoming Rule (13 new seats), Texas (nine new seats), and New York (seven)... meaning more swing for Democrats (although interestingly enough, Trump would still have won in 2016 so maybe it's not as crazy).

I do think that a lack of the "Wyoming Rule" is what's caused problems as our population has changed.

But I think the winner-takes-all nature of Electoral College is the problem, but if you make it proportional based on electoral college numbers, there doesn't seem to be MUCH reason to not just go for a straight up popular vote.
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Don't know, don't care, there's never anyone worth voting for anyway.
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Popular vote should decide our outdated voting methods are stupid
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When a democrat wins in 2020 we can go back to accepting the EC


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Electoral votes from each state should be split by percentage, i.e. in Illinois (my home state, which is always democrat) if the GOP candidate won 28% of the vote he should get 28% of the electoral votes.

Bloodychess posted...

When a democrat wins in 2020 we can go back to accepting the EC

Those pieces have two different authors: the first was written by a judge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Posner

The second by...just some Slate columnist.

It's tempting to say "hey, you published x when in the past you published y," but outlets are not and should not be hiveminds.
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Antifar posted...

Bloodychess posted...

When a democrat wins in 2020 we can go back to accepting the EC

Those pieces have two different authors: the first was written by a judge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Posner

The second by...just some Slate columnist.

It's tempting to say "hey, you published x when in the past you published y," but outlets are not and should not be hiveminds.

plus it wouldn't matter anyway, obama won both so that post is pointless

however i support mitt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTCRwi71_ns
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Squidkids posted...

plus it wouldn't matter anyway, obama won both so that post is pointless

And many blue states approved a bill that would change the EC under Obama.
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Bloodychess posted...

Did Obama lose the popular vote in 2012? Even if those were written by the same author, it's not as if they said "It's okay that EC overrode popular vote this time!" in 2012 but not 2016.
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Anteaterking posted...

@Bloodychess posted...

Did Obama lose the popular vote in 2012? Even if those were written by the same author, it's not as if they said "It's okay that EC overrode popular vote this time!" in 2012 but not 2016.

exactly, the post is pointless
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Trump said he wanted to abolish the electoral college unless he won then he loved it
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CADE FOSTER posted...

Trump said he wanted to abolish the electoral college unless he won then he loved it

lol yep, he whined it was "corrupt" before the election, then when he won it was all of a sudden fine.
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Bloodychess posted...

When a democrat wins in 2020 we can go back to accepting the EC

Man, you just can't win with you people. If both articles were opposed to the EC, you'd be trotting out a "hurr durr hive mind site can't have opposing view points" argument.

Anteaterking posted...

Did Obama lose the popular vote in 2012?

Let's not pretend people would have cared about that

But if you want that cup of tea, I like this one too


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Bloodychess posted...

Let's not pretend people would have cared about that

"People would have been hypocrites if they had just had the chance!"
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@Anteaterking posted...

@Bloodychess posted...

Let's not pretend people would have cared about that

"People would have been hypocrites if they had just had the chance!"

um no? winning an election because of a small portion of the population of it in human made borders of COUNTED votes differ by 2000 (it could of went in gore's favor to win that state) bush won, there is no room for "hypocrites" for that BS
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The right to vote should be limited to only certain people:

-People who actually pay in taxes
-People who have served 4 years in the armed forces or 8 years as a federal employee.
-People who are not indebted to the government or are not receiving any aide.

Etc

Squidkids posted...

CADE FOSTER posted...

Trump said he wanted to abolish the electoral college unless he won then he loved it

lol yep, he whined it was "corrupt" before the election, then when he won it was all of a sudden fine.

The only time hes ever sounded like a politician.

Anyway this EC shit needs to be abolished, superdelegates too
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I don’t keep up with this shit but were people complaining about this when Obama was president?
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

I don’t keep up with this shit but were people complaining about this when Obama was president?

Maybe? it does not matter since he won both but people might of been rejecting the concept still because of bush.
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Squidkids posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

I don’t keep up with this shit but were people complaining about this when Obama was president?

Maybe? it does not matter since he won both but people might of been rejecting the concept still because of bush.

It was irrelevant because Obama won the EC vote and popular vote, it only became an issue because Trump kept bringing it up but then flip flopped when it won him the office.
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Squidkids posted...

and likely had a hand in 9-11

-_-
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Squidkids posted...

@Anteaterking posted...

@Bloodychess posted...

Let's not pretend people would have cared about that

"People would have been hypocrites if they had just had the chance!"

um no? winning an election because of a small portion of the population of it in human made borders of COUNTED votes differ by 2000 (it could of went in gore's favor to win that state) bush won, there is no room for "hypocrites" for that BS

I don't think you're following the thread of that conversation very well.
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Anteaterking posted...

Squidkids posted...

@Anteaterking posted...

@Bloodychess posted...

Let's not pretend people would have cared about that

"People would have been hypocrites if they had just had the chance!"

um no? winning an election because of a small portion of the population of it in human made borders of COUNTED votes differ by 2000 (it could of went in gore's favor to win that state) bush won, there is no room for "hypocrites" for that BS

I don't think you're following the thread of that conversation very well.

i am and i am disagreeing with it, that pic had no point in the first place
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@Sativa_Rose posted...

Squidkids posted...

and likely had a hand in 9-11

-_-

dont give me that, he wanted to provoke a war for his oil and halliburton and being cheney's puppet. It was either allowed or they had a hand in it directly and they did not even attack the correct country they where blaming.
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GregShmedley posted...

I would bet a thousand dollars that most of those vocally opposing the EC would praise the hell out of it had Hillary won the EC and Trump won the PV, as a scenario that was often discussed.

And of course most of those praising it now would be saying the opposite in the same scenario. But one outcome did come true and the hypocrisy is just hilarious.

The opening post also sounds like it was written by a middle school aged conspiracy theorist. Holy shit.

It was Trump who had the pre-emptive freakout about the EC after trashing it in the past. Abolishing the EC now doesn't change the outcome of this past election, this isn't a Hillary issue.
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We had our chance to abolish the Electoral College. It was called the Obama Administration and everyone became complacent and short-sighted like always. Congratulations

@GregShmedley posted...

I would bet a thousand dollars that most of those vocally opposing the EC would praise the hell out of it had Hillary won the EC and Trump won the PV, as a scenario that was often discussed.

And of course most of those praising it now would be saying the opposite in the same scenario. But one outcome did come true and the hypocrisy is just hilarious.

The opening post also sounds like it was written by a middle school aged conspiracy theorist. Holy shit.

Wrong, the EC is BS no matter who wins, your vote does not count for the stronger safe states, not the leaning states and assume they are safe, that was Hillary fault but that isn't the point -.-

You are basically running to win 5 states or so, not the 48
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXnjGD7j2B0
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GregShmedley posted...

ReignFury posted...

GregShmedley posted...

I would bet a thousand dollars that most of those vocally opposing the EC would praise the hell out of it had Hillary won the EC and Trump won the PV, as a scenario that was often discussed.

And of course most of those praising it now would be saying the opposite in the same scenario. But one outcome did come true and the hypocrisy is just hilarious.

The opening post also sounds like it was written by a middle school aged conspiracy theorist. Holy shit.

It was Trump who had the pre-emptive freakout about the EC after trashing it in the past. Abolishing the EC now doesn't change the outcome of this past election, this isn't a Hillary issue.

What are you even saying here? Who said it being a Hillary issue?

Squidkids posted...

@GregShmedley posted...

I would bet a thousand dollars that most of those vocally opposing the EC would praise the hell out of it had Hillary won the EC and Trump won the PV, as a scenario that was often discussed.

And of course most of those praising it now would be saying the opposite in the same scenario. But one outcome did come true and the hypocrisy is just hilarious.

The opening post also sounds like it was written by a middle school aged conspiracy theorist. Holy shit.

Wrong, the EC is BS no matter who wins, your vote does not count for the stronger safe states, not the leaning states and assume they are safe, that was Hillary fault but that isn't the point -.-

You are basically running to win 5 states or so, not the 48

So had Hillary won the EC but lost the PV, would you still have made this topic?

TC is reaching with his explanation, EC needs to be abolished because it's moronic and thats regardless of any hypothetical scenario.
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GregShmedley posted...

ReignFury posted...

GregShmedley posted...

I would bet a thousand dollars that most of those vocally opposing the EC would praise the hell out of it had Hillary won the EC and Trump won the PV, as a scenario that was often discussed.

And of course most of those praising it now would be saying the opposite in the same scenario. But one outcome did come true and the hypocrisy is just hilarious.

The opening post also sounds like it was written by a middle school aged conspiracy theorist. Holy shit.

It was Trump who had the pre-emptive freakout about the EC after trashing it in the past. Abolishing the EC now doesn't change the outcome of this past election, this isn't a Hillary issue.

What are you even saying here? Who said it being a Hillary issue?

Squidkids posted...

@GregShmedley posted...

I would bet a thousand dollars that most of those vocally opposing the EC would praise the hell out of it had Hillary won the EC and Trump won the PV, as a scenario that was often discussed.

And of course most of those praising it now would be saying the opposite in the same scenario. But one outcome did come true and the hypocrisy is just hilarious.

The opening post also sounds like it was written by a middle school aged conspiracy theorist. Holy shit.

Wrong, the EC is BS no matter who wins, your vote does not count for the stronger safe states, not the leaning states and assume they are safe, that was Hillary fault but that isn't the point -.-

You are basically running to win 5 states or so, not the 48

So had Hillary won the EC but lost the PV, would you still have made this topic?

I would still dislike the concept, i am not sure if I would actually made the topic unless I seen people talk about it. If people where saying it is BS I would be like ya because your vote doesn't count in 43 states.

Plus I really hate the bush situation so I would of def made it then if i was around then.

I am sure there are people that do not vote because of the EC being in a safe state, so there is that to consider as well.
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Anyone from a state that was won by a candidate and had electoral voters refuse to vote for that candidate resulted in them being replaced, fined or both.

It's garbage because the premise of having EC votes is that the candidates with those votes can go against their state in the interests of the nation.

LightDarkFrexed posted...

We had our chance to abolish the Electoral College. It was called the Obama Administration and everyone became complacent and short-sighted like always. Congratulations

States joined the Popular Vote wins all treaty during Obama's administration. What were Democrats supposed to do? A simple congressional majority doesn't do anything.
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Squidkids posted...

First time the EC elected a president was because of a 2000 vote difference in Florida that had voter problems.

First? The fuck you talkin' about, bro? The first time it happened was 1876, when Tilden lost to Hayes despite leading in popular votes, and it was a bigger shitshow back then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Commission_(United_States)
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Paragon21XX posted...

Squidkids posted...

First time the EC elected a president was because of a 2000 vote difference in Florida that had voter problems.

First? The fuck you talkin' about, bro? The first time it happened was 1876, when Tilden lost to Hayes despite leading in popular votes, and it was a bigger shitshow back then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Commission_(United_States)

sorry modern history, im sure things where different then
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I have no thoughts on the matter I just wanted to say that TC is probably DarkPink
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