Board 8 > Hypothetical Mercs Topic Season 2: Yes, We're Still Doing TV/Movies

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my respect for the admins has increased dramatically after having to type this thing up

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/75827643
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Johnbobb posted...

my respect for the admins has increased dramatically after having to type this thing up

High-fives

Anyway, initial impressions here:

-Blair Witch is pretty strong and she probably should work in any terrain because the payoff in her own terrain is maybe too big.
-Hulk's ability probably needs rewording.
-McClane 2gud man
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Yeah, she's...interesting. Honestly I don't know if she should make the cut going forward, although I like the arguments about how you can get around her if you have enough focus to ignore her (that would not include the likes of Ash or Hogan, unfortunately)
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I mean, she can replicate voices of their teammates to trick them into turning around. So even with focus they can be tripped up.
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I'm honestly kind of leaning toward her potentially be pure support. I think being able to highjack the terrain to be Blair Woods and then having her appear could be more fair (and would also avoid people being stuck with an empty roster slot if they lose the terrain bid
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Also Hulk Hogan is so stupid to have in these things, but it's also hilarious to visualize coked up 80s Hogan in these fights and I love it
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Hulk Hogan's write-up includes "strength feats from Suburban Commando, No Holds Barred, and Santa With Muscles"

anyone know enough about those movies to attest to what that means?
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Hulk Hogan:
-Lowering Hulkamania to 20%, 30% on upgrade (getting a 50% parameter boost if 3/10 are effected despite the roll chance being 40% is too much)
-Removed WWE Immortals from write-up

Stripe:
-Specifying that the Gremlins don't count as separate targets.

Rick Grimes:
-Added classifications for assists.

I feel like Blair Witch needs changed but I'm not entirely sure how to go about it

The other involved mercs mostly seem fine.
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I kind of want to make a Deep Sea King (One-Punch Man) build, but I'm not sure if he'd surpass 7 rank. He'd probably be one of the ones that if we were to expand to 8 tiers, he'd land in 8 (Genos is one of the highest 6/weeks, and he holds his own against Deep Sea King, although DSK can heal from his wounds really quick)

Also feel like we could use a Legend of Korra build (probably for Korra, but Amon or Zaheer would be interesting too. Maybe even an Iroh build!)
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You know it just hit me

We don't have a Rocky Balboa build yet right

how did this happen, how can we be so irresponsible
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

You know it just hit me

We don't have a Rocky Balboa build yet right

how did this happen, how can we be so irresponsible

http://mercsfilmandtv.pbworks.com/w/page/114147124/Rocky%20Balboa
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I even had an exhibition match with Rocky v. Little Mac!
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Only thing I'd tweak about that build is making Gonna Fly Now a 'characters gets a montage in peace, comes to wartime super buffed', but otherwise, that is a great build. Thank goodness we got him done early!
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Only thing I'd tweak about that build is making Gonna Fly Now a 'characters gets a montage in peace, comes to wartime super buffed',

like instead of the current ability?
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Yeah. Gonna Fly Now is iconic for the whole 'pre-fight montage' thing, not for Rocky losing. If you wanted that represented in an ability I'd write one that was something like...

"YO ADRIAN, WE DID IT!" (Results): After any fight in which Rocky is rostered loses by no more than 5% of the total vote (or 1 vote, if the value of a single vote would be greater than that) or wins by any amount, his team will receive an additional 5 EXP to distribute amongst themselves for that day's battle. Forfeits will not trigger this ability, even if they go to topic.
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well part of what's iconic with Rocky Balboa is that he loses, then trains, then comes back to win. I kind of like the current ability he has (training against someone who beats him and having the advantage if he faces them again)

I could see making Gonna Fly Now select an opponent in Peace, and then having that specific advantage against them.
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Also, I finally need to go in and fix Powerpuff Girls now

as they are, they have KO protection that essentially gives you 2 op 7/weeks upon being hit, which is, uh, broken as shit. To be fair though, at the time of making the build, I wasn't sure people would respect them

It also has all 3 of them as separate targets, meaning all three would have to be separately KO'd to prevent them from being rostered
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Johnbobb posted...

well part of what's iconic with Rocky Balboa is that he loses, then trains, then comes back to win. I kind of like the current ability he has (training against someone who beats him and having the advantage if he faces them again)

I could see making Gonna Fly Now select an opponent in Peace, and then having that specific advantage against them.

...But that's not what's iconic. Like go over his fights for a sec.

-Vs Apollo: Preps before meeting him, twice. Loses once but it's not an instigator for the big comeback win.
-Vs Clubber Lang: the one example where he does job out. Comes back mad boosted and mops him up.
-Vs Drago: Trains before fighting him, never loses to him.
Vs Mason Dixon: Again, trains before going toe-to-toe with him, loses in a split decision.

So no, it's not iconic unless you think Rocky 3 is the only Rocky movie that exists. The iconic 'thing' for Rocky movies is having a training montage to power up for the big fight, not losing and coming back stronger. What IS iconic about Rocky's losses is 'losses that are effectively wins', but it has nothing to do with his montages. You can split these things up and get a better merc out of the bargain.
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also how do we not have a Darth Vader merc

I mean I don't know that I really know enough about Star Wars to make him, but he seems like an obvious choice
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Rocky also loses to Hulk Hogan via getting tossed into the crowd. But then it might have been a work? That entire fight was bizarre
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DeathChicken posted...

Rocky also loses to Hulk Hogan via getting tossed into the crowd. But then it might have been a work? That entire fight was bizarre

Rocky beat "Thunder Lips".
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Oh I had actually remembered that entirely backwards, Rocky throws him into the crowd. And then it might have been a work
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started a LOST build

The Man In Black (LOST)
Villainous Male Undead/Otherworldly
7/week

The Man In Black is as he appears in LOST. He may transform freely into his Smoke Monster form. If The Light is extinguished, he will become completely mortal and will lose access to his Smoke Monster form.

Abilities

The Light (Passive) - Whenever The Man In Black is rostered, a small pool of water will spawn in the dead center of the terrain, emanating a bright light, with a stone cork in the center, as seen in The Heart of the Island. If the terrain would not normally allow for it, it will be warped to make room. If the cork is removed or broken, the pool will drain and the light will extinguish.

What They Died For (Trigger) - Every enemy that is KO'd on either team during wartime will be scanned by The Man In Black before the battle. If rostered, he will come to battle with all of their memories and the ability to perfectly mimic their voice and appearance. He will not have access to any of their weapons or abilities.

Upgrades

Terrain

The Island - The large, mysterious island where Oceanic Flight 815 crashed. Everything that appeared throughout The Island is present, both natural and man-made, though it will be otherwise abandoned.

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Johnbobb posted...

started a LOST build

The Man In Black (LOST)
Villainous Male Undead/Otherworldly
7/week

The Man In Black is as he appears in LOST. He may transform freely into his Smoke Monster form. If The Light is extinguished, he will become completely mortal and will lose access to his Smoke Monster form.

Abilities

The Light (Passive) - Whenever The Man In Black is rostered, a small pool of water will spawn in the dead center of the terrain, emanating a bright light, with a stone cork in the center, as seen in The Heart of the Island. If the terrain would not normally allow for it, it will be warped to make room. If the cork is removed or broken, the pool will drain and the light will extinguish.

What They Died For (Trigger) - Every enemy that is KO'd on either team during wartime will be scanned by The Man In Black before the battle. If rostered, he will come to battle with all of their memories and the ability to perfectly mimic their voice and appearance. He will not have access to any of their weapons or abilities.

Upgrades

Terrain

The Island - The large, mysterious island where Oceanic Flight 815 crashed. Everything that appeared throughout The Island is present, both natural and man-made, though it will be otherwise abandoned.

Nobody even understood LOST when it was out and you want ppl to try and understand it now? Worst 7 ever there.
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You just gave me an idea John.
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Echoing smokey is just a straight up bad nightmare merc.
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Someone should just make LoL Draft Mercs. Have 300 mercs. You get 7 bans or some shit and a handicap number to stay under say 23 so you can roster a 7 a 6 a 5 a 3 and a 2. And thats it. (5 mercs total).
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Darth Vader (Star Wars)
Villainous Male Superhuman
6/week

Darth Vader is as he appears in the Star Wars films and Rebels, carrying his lightsaber and with all powers explicitly shown.

Dark Lord of the Sith (Pre-Battle) - Vader's sorcerer ways are as frightening as ever. In any given Wartime he may choose one of the following tricks.

"The Force is strong in this one." - For a week of recharge on Dark Lord, Vader may pre-select an opposing Superhuman on the other team. If he is rostered, Vader will always be aware of where they are during the week's battle no matter where they are.

"He will join us or die." - For two weeks of recharge on Dark Lord, Vader may reach out and inform a preselected enemy merc that it would be a good idea to join the winning team. That merc's owner may either hand them over for the week as a Possession, or else they will be injured the following week for their impertinence.

"Be careful not to choke on your aspirations." - For two weeks of recharge on Dark Lord, Vader may chose an opposing mercenary. If that mercenary uses any abilities after this ability is declared, Vader will begin the week's battle by putting them in a Force Choke for an amount of seconds equal to their upkeep.

"I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further." - In any given Wartime, Vader may chose an ability already declared by his team that week. It will immediately be canceled and any effects it may have had will reverse to a state as if it had never been declared at all. Dark Lord will go on recharge for an amount of weeks equal to the recharge of the chosen ability.

Upgrades

New Ability

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (Results) - If Vader's team loses a week's battle, he will not take it well. Vader may let out his infamous wail and scamper off, refusing to be rostered in the next week's fight (Dark Lord may not be used that week either). An amount of enemies equal to Vader's upkeep from the team that beat him will hear his cry, and with a hearty shout of NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO similarly refuse to be rostered or use abilities, chosen randomly from the lowest upkeep and climbing upward as needed.

Terrain

Death Star - The Death Star as seen in Episode 4 with all areas accessible.
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Corrik posted...

Worst 7 ever there.

D:

I think it could be reasonable. Can be injured by explosions and sonic damage, can be killed by extinguishing The Light

NFUN posted...

You just gave me an idea John.

ooooooh

DeathChicken posted...

Darth Vader (Star Wars)
Villainous Male Superhuman
6/week

yes finaaaaaaly
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Also, would Vader be considered superhuman? I'm not 100% on him but isn't he like basically a cyborg or something?
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DeathChicken posted...

Oh I had actually remembered that entirely backwards, Rocky throws him into the crowd. And then it might have been a work

It's officially a tie IIRC, according to Rocky's career record. The only one he had, no less.
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It's not like his cybernetics give him any additional power. They just keep him not dead.

If you consider jedi/sith superhuman by nature though, that's different.
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also for Vader, I'd suggest lowering how many mercs Vader can stop from showing up the next week, and add cooldown to go along (maybe a week for each merc he stops from showing up, maxing out at like 5?)
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Also Vader is probably a 5, not a 6 IIRC. He doesn't have big enough hype in the movies, it's the EU that makes him ridiculously badass.
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FFDragon posted...

It's not like his cybernetics give him any additional power. They just keep him not dead.

If you consider jedi/sith superhuman by nature though, that's different.

But I mean, would his cybernetics make him like superhuman/robot (since the robotic aspect is necessary to him being alive, unlike someone like Samus)
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FFDragon posted...

It's not like his cybernetics give him any additional power. They just keep him not dead.

If you consider jedi/sith superhuman by nature though, that's different.

Personally think he should be Superhuman/Robot just because it makes sense in terms of classification. If we HAVE to pick one though, Superhuman all the way.
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RO shows Vader can annihilate mooks at least.
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Alright so Rocky change:

"YO ADRIAN, WE DID IT!" (Results) - After any fight in which Rocky is rostered, if he loses by no more than 5% of the total vote (or 1 vote, if the value of a single vote would be greater than that) or wins by any amount, his team will receive an additional 5 EXP to distribute amongst themselves for that day's battle. Forfeits will not trigger this ability, even if they go to topic.

Gonna Fly Now (Peacetime) - Rocky may train to fight a pre-selected enemy mercenary. The next time that they fight (and only the next time), Rocky will come to battle with a 100% parameter boost, and will have learned to perfectly counter the mercenary and all of their abilities. No matter what happens, despite the odds, if Rocky is put into a 1 Vs 1 situation against them, he will be put in a position to win against the mercenary. There is no limit to the amount of mercenaries Rocky can train against.

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I think Vader works as a 6.

Let's be realistic here, he's going to get way more respect for what he is than most mercs out of pure recognizability
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Having TK and a beam sword that can cut through like anything is pretty hype
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That and how much he likes to go to Force Choke as a default "Fuck you"
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This is true, I just fear a good dehype package will stick really hard on him

Fingers crossed for him getting undeserved-but-not-really respect?

Johnbobb posted...

Alright so Rocky change:

"YO ADRIAN, WE DID IT!" (Results) - After any fight in which Rocky is rostered, if he loses by no more than 5% of the total vote (or 1 vote, if the value of a single vote would be greater than that) or wins by any amount, his team will receive an additional 5 EXP to distribute amongst themselves for that day's battle. Forfeits will not trigger this ability, even if they go to topic.

Gonna Fly Now (Peacetime) - Rocky may train to fight a pre-selected enemy mercenary. The next time that they fight (and only the next time), Rocky will come to battle with a 100% parameter boost, and will have learned to perfectly counter the mercenary and all of their abilities. No matter what happens, despite the odds, if Rocky is put into a 1 Vs 1 situation against them, he will be put in a position to win against the mercenary. There is no limit to the amount of mercenaries Rocky can train against.

Looks neat and...oh man this means Rocky can win ANY boxing match yissssssss
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Looks neat and...oh man this means Rocky can win ANY boxing match yissssssss

hmmm... might need to fix that a biiiiit

Also it needs a cooldown WHOOPS
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Yeah I meant for NOOOOOOOOOOO to do the thing where he has 6 points to spend and takes it out of insert upkeep Mercs here until he spends it, could have worded that better
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oooooh

by "amount of enemies equal to his upkeep" I thought you mean just "six enemies"
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I like going by upkeep, it can potentially combo with upkeep meddlers like Rita and Wishmaster
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Johnbobb posted...

KanzarisKelshen posted...

Looks neat and...oh man this means Rocky can win ANY boxing match yissssssss

hmmm... might need to fix that a biiiiit

Also it needs a cooldown WHOOPS

Totally in-theme for him tbqh

Never mess with Rocky when he has montage power going on
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Jaws
Villainous Male Beast
1/week

Jaws is as seen in the original movie, a very large and hungry shark.

Just when you thought it was safe... (Passive) - Being a shark, Jaws wouldn't be much use on land. Fortunately if there is any body of water on the terrain, Jaws will automatically spawn in it at the nearest possible location to his team.

You're Gonna Need a Bigger Boat (Pre-Battle) - Every three weeks, Jaws may declare this ability to force the battle onto his terrain of the Orca.

Upgrades

Ability Upgrade

Reduce the recharge of You're Gonna Need a Bigger Boat to every two weeks. In addition, at the declaration of the ability Jaws may choose to take a bite out of the Orca, causing it to begin taking on water at the start of the battle.

Terrain

The Orca - An average sized fishing vessel floating off the coast of Martha's Vineyard, holding a few scattered harpoons and air tanks. Access to the rest of the Atlantic is allowed for the brave.
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Gonna be a whole lot of terrain dependent Mercs I see
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Even independent of Jaws himself, I figure getting to force the terrain onto a teenyass boat at your whim is a mean ability
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