Current Events > Malcom X should be more celebrated

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Ivynn posted...

Nomadic View posted...

That is unknowable. Maybe, maybe not. What is knowable is that he advocated for black people to create businesses, work hard, and become a functional member of society.

Didn't he say that in the context of segregation tho? >_> Like he wanted black people to do all that because he wanted them completely cut off from white people?

Yeah, in essence he wanted black people to have successful businesses created by and funded by black people. He wanted a self sustaining black economy.
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TrollSlayer11 posted...

Statistically black people were better off under segregation.

TrollSlayer11 posted...

Ah so your name is meant to be ironic

He and the BPP were domestic terrorists that were behind numerous assaults and murders of White people. Blacks were victims during the 60s but, that doesn't mean you can be racist or harm innocent people. Go figure BLM idolizes the lunatic.

C_Pain posted...

he's muslim tho that means he's bad xD

Well and him being a racist.
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k darkfire posted...

He and the BPP were domestic terrorists that were behind numerous assaults and murders of White people. Blacks were victims during the 60s but, that doesn't mean you can be racist or harm innocent people. Go figure BLM idolizes the lunatic.

BPP killed no one and never assaulted white people. Name ONE person killed by BPP you fucking hack.

BPP were murdered by our evil government because they feared the rise of intelligent and unified black men. Anyone comparing BPP to the idiotic BLM makes me fucking sick.

BPP were American heroes. BLM are useful idiots.
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boxington posted...

people criticize X for beliefs he held while ignoring the society that he grew in, that allowed those kinda ideas to grow

@boxington
Why forgive him this, but still hold white people accountable for what their ancestors did to black people? He was just apart of his society, but your great-great-great grandparents, nah, fuck them.

And I like Malcolm X. I only like MLK a bit better because King was a big Bob Dylan fan.
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Bad_Mojo posted...

boxington posted...

people criticize X for beliefs he held while ignoring the society that he grew in, that allowed those kinda ideas to grow

@boxington
Why forgive him this, but still hold white people accountable for what their ancestors did to black people? He was just apart of his society, but your great-great-great grandparents, nah, fuck them.

And I like Malcolm X. I only like MLK a bit better because King was a big Bob Dylan fan.

but the kinda stuff X was talking about was taking place during his life time, not just his past
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boxington posted...

but the kinda stuff X was talking about was taking place during his life time, not just his past

Correct, so why are white people not held for their actions today but by the actions of their ancestors in their own society? I always hear, "but your ancestors had slaves!"

1, no they didn't. My dad was the first person in both sides of my family to live in America. But more importantly, that's how the world was back then. The people that did have slaves were also just a product of their society.
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I think that we're talking about two different things.

I was just saying that people that dismiss X as just some racist conveniently ignore all of the relevant factors that contributed to how he saw the world.

and as someone added, for other historical figures with views that we might not see as being negative, they're often written off as being a product of their time
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Bad_Mojo posted...

boxington posted...

people criticize X for beliefs he held while ignoring the society that he grew in, that allowed those kinda ideas to grow

@boxington
Why forgive him this, but still hold white people accountable for what their ancestors did to black people? He was just apart of his society, but your great-great-great grandparents, nah, fuck them.

And I like Malcolm X. I only like MLK a bit better because King was a big Bob Dylan fan.

I doubt boxington supports holding current white people accountable for what their grandparents did
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yea, my family is from Rwanda, and likely had little to no experience with American white people until the 60s or 70s
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Nobody... NOBODY can refute the truth bombs I dropped throughout this topic.

Fucking hacks.
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boxington posted...

I think that we're talking about two different things

Maybe we are, but I don't think so. Looking back on Malcolm X with today's eyes makes him and the people that believed in him look like domestic terrorists. But during the time while he was doing that, he was doing it for the right reasons within the context of that time

Slavery of course shouldn't be permitted and is wrong in every case, but that also is looking back through the same rose-tinted eyes for today's views. The people who did own slaves owned them because it was also the product of their own time and those people didn't feel bad about it with their excuses of, "The Bible saying it was okay to own and have slaves."

All of it is wrong, everyone in this topic knows it's wrong looking back. Of course domestic terrorism is a lot less of a terrible thing than slavery, but that domestic terrorism happened in our parent's life and slavery ended, what, 250 years ago? Yet white people are still held accountable for those slavery days for whatever reason.

Maybe a better example would be The Japaneses between the two World Wars were they did such terrible crimes to people that they can not declare war on anyone. Go find out what the Japanese did to their POWs, their own people and then wonder why nobody holds Japan to anything yet it's still fuck white people after 250 years.
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boxington posted...

yea, my family is from Rwanda, and likely had little to no experience with American white people until the 60s or 70s

My dad was from Croatia and got out before their Independence. My mother is a half-Japanese, half-Swedish woman that was living in Japan when my dad meet her.

emblem boy posted...

I doubt boxington supports holding current white people accountable for what their grandparents did

I know that. Boxington is a good guy, IMO
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Bad_Mojo posted...

Slavery of course shouldn't be permitted and is wrong in every case, but that also is looking back through the same rose-tinted eyes for today's views. The people who did own slaves owned them because it was also the product of their own time and those people didn't feel bad about it because their excuses was because of The Bible saying it was okay to own and have slaves.

Lolwut

The bible saying it was ok to own slaves isn't why they were ok with it. They were ok with it because it was profitable and believed black people to be less than human

You argument is entirely flawed regarding slavery because Malcom X actually was trying to do good things. "Rose tinted glasses" aren't needed to see that. It's a fact. It's also a fact that he did have some pretty abhorrent views

None of that can be applied to slavery and I don't know where you're getting the fact that lots of people blame white people's descendants. I've never seen that outside extremist tweets and blogs

Nomadic View posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Taharqa_ posted...

Nomadic View posted...

He advocated for black people to be job creators and to not rely on handouts to survive. By today's standards Malcom X would be considered an Uncle Tom.

"If we own the stores, if we operate the businesses, if we try and establish some industry in our own community, then we're developing to the position where we are creating employment for our own kind. Once you gain control of the economy of your own community, then you don't have to picket and boycott and beg some [white person] downtown for a job in his business."

- Malcom X, Ballot or the Bullet speech.

No he wouldn't, shut up.

Malcolm X was no apologists for white supremacy and he was unapologetically black.

He is saying the exact same things that Larry Elder advocates. If you ever listen to Larry Elder the callers frequently accuse him of being an Uncle Tom.

"today's standards?" elaborate.

You're not oppressed.
You're not inferior.
You are capable of controlling your own destiny.

I have never heard of anybody called an uncle Tom for that. can you give me an example of somebody who called him that, then went on to make counter arguments against those things?

I ask because I don't believe any Black person would call him an Uncle Tom for those stated reasons. non sarcastically.
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Axiom posted...

The bible saying it was ok to own slaves isn't why they were ok with it. They were ok with it because it was profitable and believed black people to be less than human

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/04/12/how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-abolitionism/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_slavery#Slavery_in_the_Americas

https://historyengine.richmond.edu/episodes/view/3535

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unsystematictheology/2016/09/how-the-bible-was-used-to-justify-slavery-and-white-supremacy/


Want me to continue? I'm sure I can find podcasts too
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One of you fucking hacks name one single act of "murder" or "domestic terrorism" committed by the Black Panthers or Malcolm X. Go ahead you fucking lying hacks.

I'll wait.
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For those who want him to be celebrated, can you talk about the good things he's done?

Seaman_Prime posted...

For those who want him to be celebrated, can you talk about the good things he's done?

he inspired a backbone in the Black community.
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Nomadic View posted...

Taharqa_ posted...

Nomadic View posted...

He advocated for black people to be job creators and to not rely on handouts to survive. By today's standards Malcom X would be considered an Uncle Tom.

"If we own the stores, if we operate the businesses, if we try and establish some industry in our own community, then we're developing to the position where we are creating employment for our own kind. Once you gain control of the economy of your own community, then you don't have to picket and boycott and beg some [white person] downtown for a job in his business."

- Malcom X, Ballot or the Bullet speech.

No he wouldn't, shut up.

Malcolm X was no apologists for white supremacy and he was unapologetically black.

He is saying the exact same things that Larry Elder advocates. If you ever listen to Larry Elder the callers frequently accuse him of being an Uncle Tom.

http://www.essence.com/galleries/buyblack-essence-list-89-black-owned-businesses-shop-holidays#796241
https://www.buyblackmovement.com/Home/
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/540522/
http://www.theroot.com/1-year-after-bankblack-america-s-biggest-black-owned-1810522862/amp

Elder is probably getting called an Uncle Tom for some other things besides that
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Someone tell me where in the Bible it specifically says it's ok to own slaves.
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There's only one civil rights hero who did all the work and gets none of the credit and his name is LBJ


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TheoryzC posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Taharqa_ posted...

Nomadic View posted...

He advocated for black people to be job creators and to not rely on handouts to survive. By today's standards Malcom X would be considered an Uncle Tom.

"If we own the stores, if we operate the businesses, if we try and establish some industry in our own community, then we're developing to the position where we are creating employment for our own kind. Once you gain control of the economy of your own community, then you don't have to picket and boycott and beg some [white person] downtown for a job in his business."

- Malcom X, Ballot or the Bullet speech.

No he wouldn't, shut up.

Malcolm X was no apologists for white supremacy and he was unapologetically black.

He is saying the exact same things that Larry Elder advocates. If you ever listen to Larry Elder the callers frequently accuse him of being an Uncle Tom.

http://www.essence.com/galleries/buyblack-essence-list-89-black-owned-businesses-shop-holidays#796241
https://www.buyblackmovement.com/Home/
https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/540522/
http://www.theroot.com/1-year-after-bankblack-america-s-biggest-black-owned-1810522862/amp

Elder is probably getting called an Uncle Tom for some other things besides that

he definitely is called that for other reasons, just not the reasons this guy is trying to say.

it's a shame that he thinks Black people are that simple minded. it explains a lot of the ignorant statements he makes about Black people.

literally said "today's standards" in a serious post. the disconnect is real! lol.

unfortunately conversation with these types are typically a waste because instead of trying to learn about you from you, they'd rather tell you about you as if they know you better than you know yourself.
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TrollSlayer11 posted...

One of you fucking hacks name one single act of "murder" or "domestic terrorism" committed by the Black Panthers or Malcolm X. Go ahead you fucking lying hacks.

I'll wait.

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boxington posted...

I was just saying that people that dismiss X as just some racist conveniently ignore all of the relevant factors that contributed to how he saw the world.

and as someone added, for other historical figures with views that we might not see as being negative, they're often written off as being a product of their time

X literally reacted to atrocities being done to him. He didn't enslave and rape and torture people like those historical figures did.
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Knowledge_King posted...

boxington posted...

I was just saying that people that dismiss X as just some racist conveniently ignore all of the relevant factors that contributed to how he saw the world.

and as someone added, for other historical figures with views that we might not see as being negative, they're often written off as being a product of their time

X literally reacted to atrocities being done to him. He didn't enslave and rape and torture people like those historical figures did.

if my father were killed by White supremacists, I'd probably dedicate my life to putting them on blast and encourage everybody effected by it to defend themselves from the various forms of attack. whether it be from physical attacks, politically, or from slander. fight back against that shit by any means necessary for the future generations to come. emphasis on the word necessary.

there are murderers, rapist, burglars, terrorist, various forms of abuse, etc... all over the world. some largely organized, some with small groups. I encourage self defense from them all--as does our government.

the only people who take issue with Black people using this rhetoric are those who don't humanize Black people. they lack empathy because they don't see Black people as worthy of the same respect, therefore not entitled to the same protections.
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After all the shit Malcolm X went through and the time he lived in, he had every right to hate white people tbh
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