Current Events > Remember when crazy Trump said his campaign was wiretapped?

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Wolf_J_Flywheel 09/19/17 6:30:22 AM #1:	https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paul-manafort-was-wiretapped-by-us-government/ He's looney and should be impeached!! --- Those who act like sheep, will be eaten by wolves http://i.imgur.com/n1L1yBu.jpg <cite>Wolf_J_Flywheel posted [p:886875370] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/paul-manafort-was-wiretapped-by-us-government/ He's looney and should be impeached!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightningAce11 09/19/17 6:32:12 AM #2:	Trump said trump tower was wiretapped by obama. --- "I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_II <cite>LightningAce11 posted [p:886875408] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote>Trump said trump tower was wiretapped by obama.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Simon_Petrikov 09/19/17 6:32:35 AM #3:	The whole campaign? --- ~The (N)ice King~ http://i.imgur.com/V0NMmmo.png <cite>Simon_Petrikov posted [p:886875417] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote>The whole campaign?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lilJoe457 09/19/17 6:51:33 AM #4:	LightningAce11 posted... Trump said trump tower was wiretapped by obama. Well that claim doesn't seem too crazy considering they have actually been proven to be caught wire tapping some part of his campaign. So that means we can now honestly ask the question maybe there was more. Perhaps Trump says certain things that come true out of pure randomness. Or maybe there's more to it. There's behind the scenes workings with this highly corrupt government that we all know about that he sees first hand now. --- The sinister minister <cite>lilJoe457 posted [p:886875845] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>Trump said trump tower was wiretapped by obama.</quote> Well that claim doesn't seem too crazy considering they have actually been proven to be caught wire tapping some part of his campaign. So that means we can now honestly ask the question maybe there was more. Perhaps Trump says certain things that come true out of pure randomness. Or maybe there's more to it. There's behind the scenes workings with this highly corrupt government that we all know about that he sees first hand now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Polycosm 09/19/17 7:02:55 AM #5:	lilJoe457 posted... caught wire tapping That's a strange way to phrase it. You do understand why Manafort was being surveilled, right? --- BKSheikah owned me so thoroughly in the 2017 guru contest, I'd swear he used the Lens of Truth to pick his bracket. (thengamer.com/guru) <cite>Polycosm posted [p:886876078] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>lilJoe457 posted...</cite><quote>caught wire tapping</quote> That's a strange way to phrase it. You do understand why Manafort was being surveilled, right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
asdf8562 09/19/17 7:08:31 AM #6:	Polycosm posted... lilJoe457 posted... caught wire tapping That's a strange way to phrase it. You do understand why Manafort was being surveilled, right? No. Trump is a corrupt businessman turned corrupt politician/businessman. <cite>asdf8562 posted [p:886876181] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>Polycosm posted...</cite> <quote><cite>lilJoe457 posted...</cite><quote>caught wire tapping</quote> That's a strange way to phrase it. You do understand why Manafort was being surveilled, right?</quote> No. Trump is a corrupt businessman turned corrupt politician/businessman.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wolf_J_Flywheel 09/19/17 9:09:32 AM #7:	LightningAce11 posted... Trump said trump tower was wiretapped by obama. Trump Tower was his campaign headquarters, Manafort would have had A LOT of contact with Trump Tower. Don't pretend to ignorant to make a point. It's not an excuse. --- Those who act like sheep, will be eaten by wolves http://i.imgur.com/n1L1yBu.jpg <cite>Wolf_J_Flywheel posted [p:886879701] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>Trump said trump tower was wiretapped by obama.</quote> Trump Tower was his campaign headquarters, Manafort would have had A LOT of contact with Trump Tower. Don't pretend to ignorant to make a point. It's not an excuse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 09/19/17 9:11:19 AM #8:	Am I the only one who still kinda wants the pee tape to be real? --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg http://i.imgur.com/8kjZU.jpg <cite>eston posted [p:886879766] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote>Am I the only one who still kinda wants the pee tape to be real?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Near_ 09/19/17 9:16:26 AM #9:	Yeah, because he knew that his campaign officers were colluding with foreign officials so he was paranoid that he was going to get caught. --- http://i.imgur.com/QoIYepz.gif Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you. <cite>_Near_ posted [p:886879988] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, because he knew that his campaign officers were colluding with foreign officials so he was paranoid that he was going to get caught.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 09/19/17 9:24:36 AM #10:	Wolf_J_Flywheel posted... Trump Tower was his campaign headquarters, Manafort would have had A LOT of contact with Trump Tower. Don't pretend to ignorant to make a point. It's not an excuse. There is still no evidence of Trump Tower being wiretapped, which was the claim Trump made. On top of that, Obama had nothing to do with it. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera http://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:886880334] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...</cite> <quote>Trump Tower was his campaign headquarters, Manafort would have had A LOT of contact with Trump Tower. Don't pretend to ignorant to make a point. It's not an excuse.</quote> There is still no evidence of Trump Tower being wiretapped, which was the claim Trump made. On top of that, Obama had nothing to do with it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OpheliaAdenade 09/19/17 9:25:32 AM #11:	Wasn't Obama using microwaves to spy on him? --- http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q <cite>OpheliaAdenade posted [p:886880370] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote>Wasn't Obama using microwaves to spy on him?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 09/19/17 9:27:40 AM #12:	OpheliaAdenade posted... Wasn't Obama using microwaves to spy on him? Kellyanne claimed that, yes. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera http://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:886880452] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>OpheliaAdenade posted...</cite> <quote>Wasn't Obama using microwaves to spy on him?</quote> Kellyanne claimed that, yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 09/19/17 9:29:35 AM #13:	Everyone made fun of Trump for the Obama microwave wiretapping comment but honestly I thought this was one of the least ridiculous and more plausible things he's ever said. (Edit: I know kellyanne said it, but he endorsed it I believe). Do you really trust Obama so much that you think he would be above wiretapping an enemy? Really, because that's naive as hell. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:886880534] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote>Everyone made fun of Trump for the Obama microwave wiretapping comment but honestly I thought this was one of the least ridiculous and more plausible things he's ever said. (Edit: I know kellyanne said it, but he endorsed it I believe). Do you really trust Obama so much that you think he would be above wiretapping an enemy? Really, because that's naive as hell.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Horus_Leftfield 09/19/17 9:31:11 AM #14:	pinky0926 posted... Everyone made fun of Trump for the Obama microwave wiretapping comment but honestly I thought this was one of the least ridiculous and more plausible things he's ever said. (Edit: I know kellyanne said it, but he endorsed it I believe). Do you really trust Obama so much that you think he would be above wiretapping an enemy? Really, because that's naive as hell. You are a gullible sheep --- "To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships." -- W.E.B. Du Bois <cite>Horus_Leftfield posted [p:886880602] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote>Everyone made fun of Trump for the Obama microwave wiretapping comment but honestly I thought this was one of the least ridiculous and more plausible things he's ever said. (Edit: I know kellyanne said it, but he endorsed it I believe). Do you really trust Obama so much that you think he would be above wiretapping an enemy? Really, because that's naive as hell.</quote> You are a gullible sheep</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 09/19/17 9:33:33 AM #15:	Horus_Leftfield posted... pinky0926 posted... Everyone made fun of Trump for the Obama microwave wiretapping comment but honestly I thought this was one of the least ridiculous and more plausible things he's ever said. (Edit: I know kellyanne said it, but he endorsed it I believe). Do you really trust Obama so much that you think he would be above wiretapping an enemy? Really, because that's naive as hell. You are a gullible sheep What an edgy comment, how brave. Obama is the president that embraced new levels of drone striking that killed lots of innocent people. Obama is the president who ran one of the most aggressive anti-whisteblowing campaigns since Nixon. These are facts, not right wing bias. But you really think that he wouldn't listen in on other people's conversations? Maybe don't trust Obama so much. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:886880706] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>Horus_Leftfield posted...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote>Everyone made fun of Trump for the Obama microwave wiretapping comment but honestly I thought this was one of the least ridiculous and more plausible things he's ever said. (Edit: I know kellyanne said it, but he endorsed it I believe). Do you really trust Obama so much that you think he would be above wiretapping an enemy? Really, because that's naive as hell.</quote> You are a gullible sheep</quote> What an edgy comment, how brave. Obama is the president that embraced new levels of drone striking that killed lots of innocent people. Obama is the president who ran one of the most aggressive anti-whisteblowing campaigns since Nixon. These are facts, not right wing bias. But you really think that he wouldn't listen in on other people's conversations? Maybe don't trust Obama so much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 09/19/17 9:36:00 AM #16:	pinky0926 posted... What an edgy comment, how brave. Obama is the president that embraced new levels of drone striking. Obama is the president who ran one of the most aggressive anti-whisteblowing campaigns since Nixon. Maybe don't trust Obama so much. Trump's claim was that Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped. This claim is false. The article in the OP says "The intercepts were part of a wide-ranging FBI counter-intelligence operation," and says nothing about Obama being involved in ordering / overseeing / etc. the wiretaps. --- http://i.imgur.com/ByKGlJb.gif http://i.imgur.com/nZdaA8D.gif http://i.imgur.com/VBLBILg.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:886880821] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote>What an edgy comment, how brave. Obama is the president that embraced new levels of drone striking. Obama is the president who ran one of the most aggressive anti-whisteblowing campaigns since Nixon. Maybe don't trust Obama so much.</quote> Trump's claim was that Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped. This claim is false. The article in the OP says "The intercepts were part of a wide-ranging FBI counter-intelligence operation," and says nothing about Obama being involved in ordering / overseeing / etc. the wiretaps.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 09/19/17 9:37:32 AM #17:	CableZL posted... Trump's claim was that Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped. This claim is false. The article in the OP says "The intercepts were part of a wide-ranging FBI counter-intelligence operation," and says nothing about Obama being involved in ordering / overseeing / etc. the wiretaps. I'm not saying he did wiretap Trump. I'm saying he's definitely not above wiretapping Trump. That's all my argument is here. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:886880891] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>CableZL posted...</cite> <quote>Trump's claim was that Obama had Trump Tower wiretapped. This claim is false. The article in the OP says "The intercepts were part of a wide-ranging FBI counter-intelligence operation," and says nothing about Obama being involved in ordering / overseeing / etc. the wiretaps.</quote> I'm not saying he did wiretap Trump. I'm saying he's definitely not above wiretapping Trump. That's all my argument is here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChromaticAngel 09/19/17 9:38:16 AM #18:	feds already admitted that they were caught on surveillance like half a year ago because they were spying on a meeting with russian nationals. --- https://puu.sh/tcLsT/24f4611235.png <cite>ChromaticAngel posted [p:886880918] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote>feds already admitted that they were caught on surveillance like half a year ago because they were spying on a meeting with russian nationals.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 09/19/17 9:38:22 AM #19:	You don't have an argument. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera http://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:886880925] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote>You don't have an argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 09/19/17 9:39:49 AM #20:	BLAKUboy posted... You don't have an argument. My argument is pretty simple to understand, I'm not sure how you're not getting it. Here I'll rephrase: "Trump's idea that Obama was wiretapping him is actually not so ridiculous because Obama has done and endorsed much less ethical things while in office. That does not mean he did wiretap Trump, however." --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:886880989] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote>You don't have an argument.</quote> My argument is pretty simple to understand, I'm not sure how you're not getting it. Here I'll rephrase: "Trump's idea that Obama was wiretapping him is actually not so ridiculous because Obama has done and endorsed much less ethical things while in office. That does not mean he did wiretap Trump, however."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OpheliaAdenade 09/19/17 9:40:45 AM #21:	Obama isn't Trump's enemy. :u Obama was very kind and gracious when it came time to show Trump the white house. They even had a lot of good talks (per Trump) and the whole thing was cordial. But of course, Trump being Trump, he listens to whoever he talked to last and naturally started blaming Obama for completely nonsensical things. --- http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q <cite>OpheliaAdenade posted [p:886881041] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote>Obama isn't Trump's enemy. :u Obama was very kind and gracious when it came time to show Trump the white house. They even had a lot of good talks (per Trump) and the whole thing was cordial. But of course, Trump being Trump, he listens to whoever he talked to last and naturally started blaming Obama for completely nonsensical things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 09/19/17 9:42:56 AM #22:	OpheliaAdenade posted... Obama isn't Trump's enemy. :u Obama was very kind and gracious when it came time to show Trump the white house. They even had a lot of good talks (per Trump) and the whole thing was cordial. But of course, Trump being Trump, he listens to whoever he talked to last and naturally started blaming Obama for completely nonsensical things. Are we just going to forget Obama's blistering dressing down of Trump at the white house correspondent's dinner? Or the mutual emnity they shared during the entire election, and all the comments that both have made about each other since? I think the cordial handover was what they both agreed was necessary to "heal" the nation, or whatever. I mean I don't doubt for a second that Trump is the pettier of the two by a large margin, but Obama certainly takes his shots too. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:886881132] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>OpheliaAdenade posted...</cite> <quote>Obama isn't Trump's enemy. :u Obama was very kind and gracious when it came time to show Trump the white house. They even had a lot of good talks (per Trump) and the whole thing was cordial. But of course, Trump being Trump, he listens to whoever he talked to last and naturally started blaming Obama for completely nonsensical things.</quote> Are we just going to forget Obama's blistering dressing down of Trump at the white house correspondent's dinner? Or the mutual emnity they shared during the entire election, and all the comments that both have made about each other since? I think the cordial handover was what they both agreed was necessary to "heal" the nation, or whatever. I mean I don't doubt for a second that Trump is the pettier of the two by a large margin, but Obama certainly takes his shots too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OpheliaAdenade 09/19/17 9:47:52 AM #23:	pinky0926 posted... OpheliaAdenade posted... Obama isn't Trump's enemy. :u Obama was very kind and gracious when it came time to show Trump the white house. They even had a lot of good talks (per Trump) and the whole thing was cordial. But of course, Trump being Trump, he listens to whoever he talked to last and naturally started blaming Obama for completely nonsensical things. Are we just going to forget Obama's blistering dressing down of Trump at the white house correspondent's dinner? Or the mutual emnity they shared during the entire election, and all the comments that both have made about each other since? I think the cordial handover was what they both agreed was necessary to "heal" the nation, or whatever. I mean I don't doubt for a second that Trump is the pettier of the two by a large margin, but Obama certainly takes his shots too. Obama had every right to "dress down" Trump considering the oaf of a man spent years pushing conspiracy theories about Obama's birth place. Obama had every right to call him out on his bs. Trump wasn't even a candidate at the time. Obama is allowed to voice his disagreement with Trump. He was still respectful of him when he was running though, and even after he won. --- http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q <cite>OpheliaAdenade posted [p:886881348] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OpheliaAdenade posted...</cite> <quote>Obama isn't Trump's enemy. :u Obama was very kind and gracious when it came time to show Trump the white house. They even had a lot of good talks (per Trump) and the whole thing was cordial. But of course, Trump being Trump, he listens to whoever he talked to last and naturally started blaming Obama for completely nonsensical things.</quote> Are we just going to forget Obama's blistering dressing down of Trump at the white house correspondent's dinner? Or the mutual emnity they shared during the entire election, and all the comments that both have made about each other since? I think the cordial handover was what they both agreed was necessary to "heal" the nation, or whatever. I mean I don't doubt for a second that Trump is the pettier of the two by a large margin, but Obama certainly takes his shots too.</quote> Obama had every right to "dress down" Trump considering the oaf of a man spent years pushing conspiracy theories about Obama's birth place. Obama had every right to call him out on his bs. Trump wasn't even a candidate at the time. Obama is allowed to voice his disagreement with Trump. He was still respectful of him when he was running though, and even after he won.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 09/19/17 9:48:46 AM #24:	OpheliaAdenade posted... Obama had every right to "dress down" Trump considering the oaf of a man spent years pushing conspiracy theories about Obama's birth place. Obama had every right to call him out on his bs. Trump wasn't even a candidate at the time. Obama is allowed to voice his disagreement with Trump. He was still respectful of him when he was running though, and even after he won. ...I wasn't suggesting he wasn't allowed to shit talk Trump. I was just saying they're obviously enemies. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:886881390] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>OpheliaAdenade posted...</cite> <quote>Obama had every right to "dress down" Trump considering the oaf of a man spent years pushing conspiracy theories about Obama's birth place. Obama had every right to call him out on his bs. Trump wasn't even a candidate at the time. Obama is allowed to voice his disagreement with Trump. He was still respectful of him when he was running though, and even after he won.</quote> ...I wasn't suggesting he wasn't allowed to shit talk Trump. I was just saying they're obviously enemies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OpheliaAdenade 09/19/17 9:50:59 AM #25:	pinky0926 posted... OpheliaAdenade posted... Obama had every right to "dress down" Trump considering the oaf of a man spent years pushing conspiracy theories about Obama's birth place. Obama had every right to call him out on his bs. Trump wasn't even a candidate at the time. Obama is allowed to voice his disagreement with Trump. He was still respectful of him when he was running though, and even after he won. ...I wasn't suggesting he wasn't allowed to shit talk Trump. I was just saying they're obviously enemies. If they were enemies, I don't think Obama would have tried to be so constructive with his criticism of him. Obama could go for a lot of low blows with Trump, but he has purposely avoided doing so. He's only commented on the issues themselves and left Trump's character out of it. Trump might view Obama as his enemy, but I don't think the feeling is mutual. --- http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q <cite>OpheliaAdenade posted [p:886881494] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OpheliaAdenade posted...</cite> <quote>Obama had every right to "dress down" Trump considering the oaf of a man spent years pushing conspiracy theories about Obama's birth place. Obama had every right to call him out on his bs. Trump wasn't even a candidate at the time. Obama is allowed to voice his disagreement with Trump. He was still respectful of him when he was running though, and even after he won.</quote> ...I wasn't suggesting he wasn't allowed to shit talk Trump. I was just saying they're obviously enemies.</quote> If they were enemies, I don't think Obama would have tried to be so constructive with his criticism of him. Obama could go for a lot of low blows with Trump, but he has purposely avoided doing so. He's only commented on the issues themselves and left Trump's character out of it. Trump might view Obama as his enemy, but I don't think the feeling is mutual.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 09/19/17 9:51:00 AM #26:	I mean, this was all legal, so I'm not sure what the issue is. It's rather difficult to get a legal wiretap on a member of someone's campaign during an election season. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:886881495] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote>I mean, this was all legal, so I'm not sure what the issue is. It's rather difficult to get a legal wiretap on a member of someone's campaign during an election season.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mortimerjames 09/19/17 9:52:24 AM #27:	So he was still lying? Needs to be impeached and he's insane. --- Tell me the story about how people used to believe in the Bible - Future kid to their grandparents <cite>mortimerjames posted [p:886881560] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote>So he was still lying? Needs to be impeached and he's insane.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 09/19/17 9:54:14 AM #28:	OpheliaAdenade posted... If they were enemies, I don't think Obama would have tried to be so constructive with his criticism of him. Obama could go for a lot of low blows with Trump, but he has purposely avoided doing so. He's only commented on the issues themselves and left Trump's character out of it. Trump might view Obama as his enemy, but I don't think the feeling is mutual. Obama taking time out of his day as president to go on a comedy talk show and deliver a sick burn to Trump in the form of "At least I'll down as president" is not what I would call constructive criticism. In fact I would definitely call that a low blow. Dude I preferred Obama too but he's not infallible. They were political rivals with diametrically opposed viewpoints who spent a good amount of time each trying to topple the other. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:886881650] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>OpheliaAdenade posted...</cite> <quote>If they were enemies, I don't think Obama would have tried to be so constructive with his criticism of him. Obama could go for a lot of low blows with Trump, but he has purposely avoided doing so. He's only commented on the issues themselves and left Trump's character out of it. Trump might view Obama as his enemy, but I don't think the feeling is mutual.</quote> Obama taking time out of his day as president to go on a comedy talk show and deliver a sick burn to Trump in the form of "At least I'll down as president" is not what I would call constructive criticism. In fact I would definitely call that a low blow. Dude I preferred Obama too but he's not infallible. They were political rivals with diametrically opposed viewpoints who spent a good amount of time each trying to topple the other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OpheliaAdenade 09/19/17 9:58:23 AM #29:	pinky0926 posted... OpheliaAdenade posted... If they were enemies, I don't think Obama would have tried to be so constructive with his criticism of him. Obama could go for a lot of low blows with Trump, but he has purposely avoided doing so. He's only commented on the issues themselves and left Trump's character out of it. Trump might view Obama as his enemy, but I don't think the feeling is mutual. Obama taking time out of his day as president to go on a comedy talk show and deliver a sick burn to Trump in the form of "At least I'll down as president" is not what I would call constructive criticism. In fact I would definitely call that a low blow. Dude I preferred Obama too but he's not infallible. They were political rivals with diametrically opposed viewpoints who spent a good amount of time each trying to topple the other. Obama said that before anyone could know that Trump was going to run for president. After Trump started running, Obama started taking him seriously and was constructive in his criticism. :u You're making too much of Obama's pre-election comments. --- http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q <cite>OpheliaAdenade posted [p:886881840] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OpheliaAdenade posted...</cite> <quote>If they were enemies, I don't think Obama would have tried to be so constructive with his criticism of him. Obama could go for a lot of low blows with Trump, but he has purposely avoided doing so. He's only commented on the issues themselves and left Trump's character out of it. Trump might view Obama as his enemy, but I don't think the feeling is mutual.</quote> Obama taking time out of his day as president to go on a comedy talk show and deliver a sick burn to Trump in the form of "At least I'll down as president" is not what I would call constructive criticism. In fact I would definitely call that a low blow. Dude I preferred Obama too but he's not infallible. They were political rivals with diametrically opposed viewpoints who spent a good amount of time each trying to topple the other.</quote> Obama said that before anyone could know that Trump was going to run for president. After Trump started running, Obama started taking him seriously and was constructive in his criticism. :u You're making too much of Obama's pre-election comments.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 09/19/17 10:00:46 AM #30:	BLAKUboy posted... Wolf_J_Flywheel posted... Trump Tower was his campaign headquarters, Manafort would have had A LOT of contact with Trump Tower. Don't pretend to ignorant to make a point. It's not an excuse. There is still no evidence of Trump Tower being wiretapped, which was the claim Trump made. On top of that, Obama had nothing to do with it. Just his administration. If Trump needs to be impeached because someone in his campaign talked to a Russian national, then Obama is responsible for the actions of his administration, such as Fast and Furious, interference into the Benghazi investigation, targeting conservative groups with the IRS, etc. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:886881945] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>BLAKUboy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...</cite> <quote>Trump Tower was his campaign headquarters, Manafort would have had A LOT of contact with Trump Tower. Don't pretend to ignorant to make a point. It's not an excuse.</quote> There is still no evidence of Trump Tower being wiretapped, which was the claim Trump made. On top of that, Obama had nothing to do with it.</quote> Just his administration. If Trump needs to be impeached because someone in his campaign talked to a Russian national, then Obama is responsible for the actions of his administration, such as Fast and Furious, interference into the Benghazi investigation, targeting conservative groups with the IRS, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 09/19/17 10:01:11 AM #31:	OpheliaAdenade posted... Obama said that before anyone could know that Trump was going to run for president. After Trump started running, Obama started taking him seriously and was constructive in his criticism. :u You're making too much of Obama's pre-election comments. No, he said it October 2016, at the height of nastiness during the 2016 election. I think you're sanitizing history a little here. And I'm not sure what point you're trying to argue anyway. I said Obama and Trump are enemies, which is obvious to anyone regardless of how much more poised and elegant Obama is in his commentary. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:886881971] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>OpheliaAdenade posted...</cite> <quote>Obama said that before anyone could know that Trump was going to run for president. After Trump started running, Obama started taking him seriously and was constructive in his criticism. :u You're making too much of Obama's pre-election comments.</quote> No, he said it October 2016, at the height of nastiness during the 2016 election. I think you're sanitizing history a little here. And I'm not sure what point you're trying to argue anyway. I said Obama and Trump are enemies, which is obvious to anyone regardless of how much more poised and elegant Obama is in his commentary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OpheliaAdenade 09/19/17 10:01:59 AM #32:	pinky0926 posted... OpheliaAdenade posted... Obama said that before anyone could know that Trump was going to run for president. After Trump started running, Obama started taking him seriously and was constructive in his criticism. :u You're making too much of Obama's pre-election comments. No, he said it October 2016, at the height of nastiness during the 2016 election. I think you're sanitizing history a little here. Regardless, he's been nothing but constructive since he got elected. :u Can you deny that? --- http://imgur.com/Q6Qj55q <cite>OpheliaAdenade posted [p:886882014] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>pinky0926 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OpheliaAdenade posted...</cite> <quote>Obama said that before anyone could know that Trump was going to run for president. After Trump started running, Obama started taking him seriously and was constructive in his criticism. :u You're making too much of Obama's pre-election comments.</quote> No, he said it October 2016, at the height of nastiness during the 2016 election. I think you're sanitizing history a little here.</quote> Regardless, he's been nothing but constructive since he got elected. :u Can you deny that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 09/19/17 10:02:02 AM #33:	Doom_Art posted... I mean, this was all legal, so I'm not sure what the issue is. It's rather difficult to get a legal wiretap on a member of someone's campaign during an election season. Literally defending FISA. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:886882019] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote>I mean, this was all legal, so I'm not sure what the issue is. It's rather difficult to get a legal wiretap on a member of someone's campaign during an election season.</quote> Literally defending FISA.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 09/19/17 10:03:11 AM #34:	OpheliaAdenade posted... Regardless, he's been nothing but constructive since he got elected. :u Can you deny that? I don't think being constructive is his main goal, no, although I agree his comments have the appearance of being constructive. I think discrediting him because Obama still bats for the DNC is his main goal. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:886882065] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>OpheliaAdenade posted...</cite> <quote>Regardless, he's been nothing but constructive since he got elected. :u Can you deny that?</quote> I don't think being constructive is his main goal, no, although I agree his comments have the appearance of being constructive. I think discrediting him because Obama still bats for the DNC is his main goal.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 09/19/17 10:04:01 AM #35:	darkjedilink posted... If Trump needs to be impeached because someone in his campaign talked to a Russian national If Trump knew of these meetings, encouraged them, there was quid pro quo, and after becoming President obstructed justice, then yes Trump should be impeached. I don't think it's too crazy or controversial to say that a candidate colluding with a foreign power to sway an election in exchange for favorable policy changes, then attempting to obstruct any investigation into it should be impeached. --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.png <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:886882096] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>If Trump needs to be impeached because someone in his campaign talked to a Russian national</quote> If Trump knew of these meetings, encouraged them, there was quid pro quo, and after becoming President obstructed justice, then yes Trump should be impeached. I don't think it's too crazy or controversial to say that a candidate colluding with a foreign power to sway an election in exchange for favorable policy changes, then attempting to obstruct any investigation into it should be impeached.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BigSLM1993 09/19/17 10:13:21 AM #36:	I guess it's appropriate to publicly accuse people of crimes as long as it sounds "plausible" they'd commit it, with no other evidence. Otherwise, what exactly is the point of this argument? Trump was wrong about the wiretapping accusation (with the evidence we have now), just like he was wrong Obama being born in Kenya. What was the excuse for the Birther movement? Yes yes, politics are politics and we're gonna dig up plenty of examples of both sides being crummy. But Trump is supposed to be the "anti" politician. He can't show a shred of humility and apologize? <cite>BigSLM1993 posted [p:886882529] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote>I guess it's appropriate to publicly accuse people of crimes as long as it sounds "plausible" they'd commit it, with no other evidence. Otherwise, what exactly is the point of this argument? Trump was wrong about the wiretapping accusation (with the evidence we have now), just like he was wrong Obama being born in Kenya. What was the excuse for the Birther movement? Yes yes, politics are politics and we're gonna dig up plenty of examples of both sides being crummy. But Trump is supposed to be the "anti" politician. He can't show a shred of humility and apologize?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bevan306 09/19/17 10:15:25 AM #37:	he lied. Because he's a liar --- http://rateyourmusic.com/~bevan http://i.imgur.com/5Ta28.jpg <cite>bevan306 posted [p:886882629] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote>he lied. Because he's a liar</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 09/19/17 10:16:22 AM #38:	BigSLM1993 posted... I guess it's appropriate to publicly accuse people of crimes as long as it sounds "plausible" they'd commit it, with no other evidence. Otherwise, what exactly is the point of this argument? No it's not appropriate to accuse someone wildly of such a thing (and frankly it was a little pathetic of him to do so). I was just commenting that it wasn't so ridiculous at the time to think Obama could have done it. Republicans get (rightly) accused of being tribalistic towards their team, but I think people can be weirdly affectionate about Obama too sometimes. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:886882672] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>BigSLM1993 posted...</cite> <quote>I guess it's appropriate to publicly accuse people of crimes as long as it sounds "plausible" they'd commit it, with no other evidence. Otherwise, what exactly is the point of this argument?</quote> No it's not appropriate to accuse someone wildly of such a thing (and frankly it was a little pathetic of him to do so). I was just commenting that it wasn't so ridiculous at the time to think Obama could have done it. Republicans get (rightly) accused of being tribalistic towards their team, but I think people can be weirdly affectionate about Obama too sometimes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 09/19/17 10:28:57 AM #39:	Doom_Art posted... darkjedilink posted... If Trump needs to be impeached because someone in his campaign talked to a Russian national If Trump knew of these meetings, encouraged them, there was quid pro quo, and after becoming President obstructed justice, then yes Trump should be impeached. I don't think it's too crazy or controversial to say that a candidate colluding with a foreign power to sway an election in exchange for favorable policy changes, then attempting to obstruct any investigation into it should be impeached. Except there's been literally zero evidence that Trump knew of them, or encouraged them, or there was quid pro quo. So why are we dealing with it? Oh, Yeah - because the DNC got hacked by foreign nationals and had all their election tampering shiwn to the world. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:886883253] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>If Trump needs to be impeached because someone in his campaign talked to a Russian national</quote> If Trump knew of these meetings, encouraged them, there was quid pro quo, and after becoming President obstructed justice, then yes Trump should be impeached. I don't think it's too crazy or controversial to say that a candidate colluding with a foreign power to sway an election in exchange for favorable policy changes, then attempting to obstruct any investigation into it should be impeached.</quote> Except there's been literally zero evidence that Trump knew of them, or encouraged them, or there was quid pro quo. So why are we dealing with it? Oh, Yeah - because the DNC got hacked by foreign nationals and had all their election tampering shiwn to the world.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 09/19/17 10:31:54 AM #40:	lilJoe457 posted... LightningAce11 posted... Trump said trump tower was wiretapped by obama. Well that claim doesn't seem too crazy considering.. No, it seems pretty crazy, especially when he was complaining about it after Obama was out of office for at least a few weeks. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:886883396] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>lilJoe457 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LightningAce11 posted...</cite> <quote>Trump said trump tower was wiretapped by obama.</quote> Well that claim doesn't seem too crazy considering..</quote> No, it seems pretty crazy, especially when he was complaining about it after Obama was out of office for at least a few weeks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 09/19/17 10:34:24 AM #41:	--- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom http://i.imgur.com/9gYddqW.jpg <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:886883518] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 09/19/17 12:27:29 PM #42:	I think my counter-argument pinky would be that all of your examples of Obama's unethical behavior were legal. And none necessarily personally benefited him or his party. So I don't think he would go the Nixon route of spying on Trump. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:886889631] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote>I think my counter-argument pinky would be that all of your examples of Obama's unethical behavior were legal. And none necessarily personally benefited him or his party. So I don't think he would go the Nixon route of spying on Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 09/19/17 12:30:06 PM #43:	Anteaterking posted... I think my counter-argument pinky would be that all of your examples of Obama's unethical behavior were legal. And none necessarily personally benefited him or his party. So I don't think he would go the Nixon route of spying on Trump. That's true, but just suggests to me he wouldn't do it because he's a lawyer who well knows he'd be culpable legally. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. http://i.imgur.com/ILz2ZbV.jpg <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:886889774] in Remember w... [t:75790858]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote>I think my counter-argument pinky would be that all of your examples of Obama's unethical behavior were legal. And none necessarily personally benefited him or his party. So I don't think he would go the Nixon route of spying on Trump.</quote> That's true, but just suggests to me he wouldn't do it because he's a lawyer who well knows he'd be culpable legally.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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