Current Events > ''Film editor w/ 6+ years of experience needed, but we won't pay you.''

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Some people...
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They're never gonna get anyone.
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ah yes, the old "your payment is publicity" gig

See this literally all the time with indie studios.

"We can't pay you, but you'll get experience and a credit!"

oh that's great

"oh hey i'm sorry i can't pay my utility bill this month. I don't have any money but I have experience and a credit!"

LightningAce11 posted...

They're never gonna get anyone.

Yup

They might might get someone, like a fresh out of film school editor, if they dropped the 6 yrs experience requirement

But even then you get what you pay for
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Still not as bad as the Penny Arcade internship
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Sounds about right for most creative ads I see on craigslist or even just in general. Companies love having designers make stuff for them for free in exchange for "experience"
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SmidgeIsntBack posted...

Still not as bad as the Penny Arcade internship

explain
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tell these losers to get fucked
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tote_all posted...

DyingPancake posted...

SmidgeIsntBack posted...

Still not as bad as the Penny Arcade internship

explain

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Doom_Art posted...

They might might get someone, like a fresh out of film school editor, if they dropped the 6 yrs experience requirement

how this will actually go:

no women will apply

fresh out of school men with confidence (and desperation for credits + free time) will apply and outright ignore the experience requirement

they'll give it to the best of those because they can't not give it to someone

people will continue to bemoan the lack of women in hollywood (and everywhere else)

these 'experience required' listings are always meant to have that part ignored. it's put up to make people self-weed themselves out. unfortunately the net result is it mostly weeds out women.
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ZombiePelican posted...

tote_all posted...

DyingPancake posted...

SmidgeIsntBack posted...

Still not as bad as the Penny Arcade internship

explain

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@SmidgeIsntBack
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"at lease contact us"
lmao
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Final cut?

Uggg. Couldnt pay me enough to touch that.

Ive done a lot work like that but you'll never find anyone good when you force edit software on them.

tripZ504 posted...

Final cut?

Uggg. Couldnt pay me enough to touch that.

Ive done a lot work like that but you'll never find anyone good when you force edit software on them.

Lol I learned on Final Cut, so I'll always have a soft spot for it.
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Not much different than what's happened to the tech industry. Employers want everything for nothing.
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This attitude is so cancerous and I deal with it daily. People legitimately think that creative skills are so worthless that not only could they do it themselves if they had the time, but that the time of people who do it for a living is also worthless.
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At least they're honest and up front about it. They'll either find someone willing to do the job or they won't, but it's not like they're trying to scam people
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Darkman124 posted...

it's put up to make people self-weed themselves out.

It's really amazing ce still hasn't figured this out.
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I Like Toast posted...

Darkman124 posted...

it's put up to make people self-weed themselves out.

It's really amazing ce still hasn't figured this out.

The internet in general seems to have not figured it out, but can you blame them? It's a trick you learn about when you work in a corporate job for a while, I can see why it would be totally disheartening for a recent grad with no work experience at all.
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"Depending on how much needs to be done, you could get full editing credit for the entire film."

Work for us. We won't pay you, but we'll credit you... if we feel like it.

Skye Reynolds posted...

"Depending on how much needs to be done, you could get full editing credit for the entire film."

Work for us. We won't pay you, but we'll credit you... if we feel like it.

The ad says that SOME editing work was already done; they just need someone to finish it off. Getting full editing credit for that isn't bad, but money is infinitely better.

Required: 8 years of Swift (programming language) experience.

Swift has only been out for 3 years.

Darkman124 posted...

it's put up to make people self-weed themselves out.

But yeah, that.

Given our audience and the job at hand, this could potentially be the most competitive position we ever hire for. We're looking for a web developer / software developer / sys admin to join our small family. We’re a team of 15-20 people that essentially run Penny Arcade proper, the online store, our fulfillment center, the PAX shows, Child’s Play, PATV, and a bunch of other smaller things that no one ever hears about. We rely heavily on outside partners and vendors, but as far as managing and helping run/deploy the technical infrastructure to most of the things we do, we rely on one person. That person is you.



So yes, we run lean. Most of us would say maybe a little TOO lean, but being pushed to your limit is part of the job. I'm not saying that to try and scare you away OR impress you, but it's in both of our best interests to understand and set expectations properly. If you have boundless energy and desire to work on both creative AND sometimes tedious work but in an environment that just might change your life, perhaps this is the opportunity for you.



We are quite literally looking for a person that can do four jobs: Web Development, Software Development, Sys Admin, and the (dreaded) GENERAL IT for us here that need help configuring a firewall for a dev kit, etc. Sorry, I know that’s the WORST, but it’s absolutely part of the gig.



So yeah, we know that’s a lot to ask of a person, but all of us here work tremendously hard to do a lot of things, and if you’d like to be at the technical epicenter of it all and don’t mind having a really bad sense of work-life balance, this is the job for you.
Desired Skills and Experience

General Requirements

- You need to have a crazy-person level of attention to detail.

- Strong project management skills, organizational skills and time-management skills.

- A motivated self-starter who can overcome or workaround issues independently.

- Flexibility to travel up to 30% of the time.

- You should have no problems working in a creative and potentially offensive environment.

- Flexibility adapting to deadlines, changing schedules, priorities and unpredictable events in a fast paced environment.

- The ability to communicate and work well in a team environment as well as on an individual basis.

- Must have the ability to prioritize tasks and balance the immediate and long term needs.

- You should have no problem appearing on camera.

- It’s rarely we call on it, but if something breaks in the middle of the night, you are expected to be on call to address that issue 24/7.



Some things you should know about this job.



We’re terrible at work-life balance. Although work is pretty much your life, we do our absolute best to make sure that work is as awesome as possible so you at least enjoy each and every day here.



And here are some other things we’re using to weed people out. It’s not fair. I know. Life’s not fair.



- A BA/BS or greater degree in Computer Science or a related field

- A minimum of 3 years in development and project management, preferably in a professional workplace

- Strong experience in PHP, MySQL, Javascript (jQuery and AJAX), CSS, Apache

- Strong experience in one of Java, Python, Ruby, or other object-oriented language

- A history of running and configuring multiple-server environments, including load balancers, web accelerators/caching systems, and databases

- A history of running and configuring multiple server environments, load balancers, and varnish.

- You should probably be a fan of Penny Arcade. Probably. Yeah.
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COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS:



- Annual Salary: Negotiable, but you should know up front we’re not a terribly money-motivated group. We’re more likely to spend less money on salary and invest that on making your day-to-day life at work better.

- Full Medical, Vision and Dental

- 401k (SEP) retirement contributions (2% of annual income per year)

- Holiday pay

- Periodic bonuses

- Flexible vacation time

- We're willing to relocate you if need be

Send me your resume via the linked in system. If you don't submit your resume, I won't look at your application. Sorry - I gotta streamline the process.
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^stupid
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SmidgeIsntBack posted...

- Full Medical, Vision and Dental

- Holiday pay

- Flexible vacation time

As asinine as that job posting is, at least this is more than what I get at my job via my contract house.
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pinky0926 posted...

This attitude is so cancerous and I deal with it daily. People legitimately think that creative skills are so worthless that not only could they do it themselves if they had the time, but that the time of people who do it for a living is also worthless.

Had someone like that. Spent a fortune on printing. Instead of asking for a printable version. They even tried doing on their own. Turned out mine were bringing in more attention. Felt like charging them for the work after that.

SmidgeIsntBack posted...

COMPENSATION AND BENEFITS:



- Annual Salary: Negotiable, but you should know up front we’re not a terribly money-motivated group. We’re more likely to spend less money on salary and invest that on making your day-to-day life at work better.

- Full Medical, Vision and Dental

- 401k (SEP) retirement contributions (2% of annual income per year)

- Holiday pay

- Periodic bonuses

- Flexible vacation time

- We're willing to relocate you if need be

Send me your resume via the linked in system. If you don't submit your resume, I won't look at your application. Sorry - I gotta streamline the process.

So basically shit-meh pay and a lot of work but those benifits sound really good though.

Not even close to the worst posting I have seen.
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tripZ504 posted...

pinky0926 posted...

This attitude is so cancerous and I deal with it daily. People legitimately think that creative skills are so worthless that not only could they do it themselves if they had the time, but that the time of people who do it for a living is also worthless.

Had someone like that. Spent a fortune on printing. Instead of asking for a printable version. They even tried doing on their own. Turned out mine were bringing in more attention. Felt like charging them for the work after that.

Basically 70% of the stories on Client's from hell boil down to that.
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pikachupwnage posted...

Basically 70% of the stories on Client's from hell boil down to that.

That's mathematically impossible, given that about 40% of Clients From Hell is in-feed native ads.

Solar_Crimson posted...

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this is what's wrong with society.
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This ad was written by either a 12-15 year old kid or an immigrant with little english.
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lol FCX

most places use avid or premiere. gtfo with this bs.
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pikachupwnage posted...

tripZ504 posted...

pinky0926 posted...

This attitude is so cancerous and I deal with it daily. People legitimately think that creative skills are so worthless that not only could they do it themselves if they had the time, but that the time of people who do it for a living is also worthless.

Had someone like that. Spent a fortune on printing. Instead of asking for a printable version. They even tried doing on their own. Turned out mine were bringing in more attention. Felt like charging them for the work after that.

Basically 70% of the stories on Client's from hell boil down to that.

Havent had a client from hell yet. Close tho.

This one is a non profit community group. My wife use to sit on the board and my kids benefit from the group so big reason i shrug it off. Most work takes an hour or two so no biggie.

Youtubers are a sneaky bunch. They like to have you sign agreements not to disclose any infomation and never give any credit. Nuke Norway is the only one i had fun working with