Current Events > The judge who acquitted Stockley gives his reasoning (cop who shot black man)

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The_Russians posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

The_Russians posted...

Flasbangs posted...

Why would people riot over the death of a drug dealer?

It really helps to familiarize yourself with the subject matter.
The biggest issue people, myself included, have is that this psychopath was carrying his personal firearm (AK-47, the fuck?!?!?!) with him which was absolutely against dept policy. The dept was well aware of it and did nothing.
It's less about shooting the guy, more about he did it with a weapon he was not authorized to carry. It's about holding him AND the dept accountable. Police officers do NOT get to pick and choose what rules they follow.
Well in theory, in practice they do wtf ever they want.

And I agree, he should be punished for illegal possession of firearms.

And yet, nothing happened. Again.

Let's say he was charged and convicted for illegal weapons.

Do you think that would satisfy the BLM crowd?
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Ammonitida posted...

That_Happened posted...

Ammonitida posted...

His partner tried to stop the car, but it skidded along the dirt (established by crime scene evidence). At that point the cop had no choice but to confront him at that very close distance.

They were driving on a snowy road/grass in the winter. There was no reason for them to be driving that close to him if they thought he was legitimately armed. If the car skidded it should have been from 100 feet away, not from 5 feet away.

It skidded. This was established by crime scene forensics. The skid marks were like 12 feet in length IIRC.

Still far too close to a person who was reported to have a gun. The police put themselves in that position when they didn't have to.
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darkjedilink posted...

The_Russians posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

The_Russians posted...

Flasbangs posted...

Why would people riot over the death of a drug dealer?

It really helps to familiarize yourself with the subject matter.
The biggest issue people, myself included, have is that this psychopath was carrying his personal firearm (AK-47, the fuck?!?!?!) with him which was absolutely against dept policy. The dept was well aware of it and did nothing.
It's less about shooting the guy, more about he did it with a weapon he was not authorized to carry. It's about holding him AND the dept accountable. Police officers do NOT get to pick and choose what rules they follow.
Well in theory, in practice they do wtf ever they want.

And I agree, he should be punished for illegal possession of firearms.

And yet, nothing happened. Again.

Let's say he was charged and convicted for illegal weapons.

Do you think that would satisfy the BLM crowd?

I mean it would satisfy some of them.

right now the only thing you get for killing a black guy as a cop is a paid vacation.
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whitelytning posted...

This is how this stuff works...

1. Black guy gets shot by the cops.
2. Public gets mad no matter what without knowing any facts and riots or throw a shit storm politically.
3. Politicians dont want to touch it because they are either wrongly condemning the cops or ignoring a huge part of society and without knowing what happened why take the risk one way or the other.
4. Politicians kick it to the SA's office so they can say, "the justice system will take care of it."
5. SA's office looks at case and determines if they can bring charges. Not bringing charges would result in riots/political rage no matter how little evidence they have so if in doubt they bring charges on any evidence they can.
6. At court they can't win on bogus charges so cop is acquitted. Public rages. Politicians and SA can say they did their part and blame it on the courts.
7. Black guy still dead. Cops career ruined. Everyone mad. No one ever knows what actually happened.

I don't think anyone wants this cycle to keep happening but its hard to see it going a different way in most cases.

sjws happy, patting each other on the back.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

I mean it would satisfy some of them.

Bullshit. We both know that BLM would still be blocking roadways just like this.

Hell, they'd have blocked roadways just because he was only charged with a gun crime.

right now the only thing you get for killing a black guy as a cop is a paid vacation.

Yeah, because they don't get that same paid vacation when killing white people, right?
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darkjedilink posted...

Yeah, because they don't get that same paid vacation when killing white people, right?

they have a non perfect track record when it comes to getting vacation for killing white people.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Yeah, because they don't get that same paid vacation when killing white people, right?

they have a non perfect track record when it comes to getting vacation for killing white people.

Oh, really? Someone's violating union policy, then, because those paid vacations for officer-involved shootings are collectively bargained by the union.
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Ammonitida posted...

The cop shot him when they were both on the ground. He had every reason to believe that the victim intended to inflict serious bodily harm. That much is clear from the dashcam.

But LMAO at you thinking he was running at him like Usain Bolt for "help"!! You have zero credibility. This was likely suicide by cop. Failed to kill himself in a car wreck, tried and succeeded with a cop. He had recently broken up with his girlfriend.

Facts are, the cop responded to a suspected burglary only to immediately be confronted by a man who sprinted at him without saying a word. Cop is heard yelling get "down get down" to no avail. Justified, and the prosecution was malicious.

People love making excuses for the killing black people. Like I said he killed the man on the ground, the cop in question was the only who felt the need to kill the man, he stopped the EMTs from helping, and he killed that man on the ground. The fact that you are ok with all of that says a hell of a lot.
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darkjedilink posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Yeah, because they don't get that same paid vacation when killing white people, right?

they have a non perfect track record when it comes to getting vacation for killing white people.

Oh, really? Someone's violating union policy, then, because those paid vacations for officer-involved shootings are collectively bargained by the union.

There is not much a union can do to protect you if you're actually found guilty of murder.
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Here are other cops showing how his story does add up. Evening pointing out that he claims he didn't remember saying he was going to kill the victim.

https://www.scribd.com/document/358700395/Why-Former-SLMPD-Officer-Jason-Stockley-Should-Be-Found-Guilty
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Ammonitida posted...

The_Russians posted...

Ammonitida posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Ammonitida posted...

Name those cases.

Philando Castile
Eric Garner
Tamir Rice

Several others I can't remember right now.

Castile was unjustified.

Garner was not shot.

Tamir was justified given the circumstances.

MN resident here. The Castille case is what changed my stance on the police brutality/BLM issue. They weren't even trying to be transparent or hide their agenda with that case. They moved the goalposts and changed the defense to "oh well he had MARIJUANA in his system! Clearly he was a lunatic and the officer feared for his life so he was justified in his actions!"
Yeah.....that weed wasn't his, was found after the fact, and had fuck all to do with that racist peice of shit pulling him over for NO REASON.

Whose agenda? Many on the right condemned the shooting even after the acquittal. The DailyCaller even ran several articles condemning it.

Sorry, should've clarified. The agenda being "marijuana users have ZERO rights, and if you use it and are detained by an officer who fears for their life, yours is forfeit. Also our officers are infallible."

MN is liberal on everything BUT marijuana and police accountability.

ChromaticAngel posted...

darkjedilink posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Yeah, because they don't get that same paid vacation when killing white people, right?

they have a non perfect track record when it comes to getting vacation for killing white people.

Oh, really? Someone's violating union policy, then, because those paid vacations for officer-involved shootings are collectively bargained by the union.

There is not much a union can do to protect you if you're actually found guilty of murder.

Well, considering twice as many white people are killed by cops as black people, it stands to reason that cops have a higher chance of being convicted.
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darkjedilink posted...

Well, considering twice as many white people are killed by cops as black people, it stands to reason that cops have a higher chance of being convicted.

in 2015 more unarmed black people were killed by police. This was raw numbers not rate.
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darkjedilink posted...

The_Russians posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

The_Russians posted...

Flasbangs posted...

Why would people riot over the death of a drug dealer?

It really helps to familiarize yourself with the subject matter.
The biggest issue people, myself included, have is that this psychopath was carrying his personal firearm (AK-47, the fuck?!?!?!) with him which was absolutely against dept policy. The dept was well aware of it and did nothing.
It's less about shooting the guy, more about he did it with a weapon he was not authorized to carry. It's about holding him AND the dept accountable. Police officers do NOT get to pick and choose what rules they follow.
Well in theory, in practice they do wtf ever they want.

And I agree, he should be punished for illegal possession of firearms.

And yet, nothing happened. Again.

Let's say he was charged and convicted for illegal weapons.

Do you think that would satisfy the BLM crowd?

Probably not, but it would be a start. I get the ambiguity over charging for murder. A weapons violation is black and white (no pun intended) so to not convict him for that...its getting very hard to defend cops or the justice system anymore.

cjsdowg posted...

Ammonitida posted...

Read the rest of the article. He tried to deescalate the situation before firing the fatal rounds. He didn't just "execute" him outright. His prior comment during the high speed chase could easily be argued as a heat of the moment type a thing.

Facts are, the prosecution failed to present any tangible evidence that the gun was planted. Their whole case hinged on this gun and the vitcim's lack of DNA being found on it. I was able to dig up a few true crime cases where a person unquestionably handled a deadly weapon (based on other evidence), but did not leave any identifiable DNA on said weapon (one case had a mixture of DNA from two unidentified males that excluded the suspect). Thus, the prosecution's contention that this lack of DNA proved the gun was planted is very weak circumstantial evidence.

What both sides agree on is that the victim was engaged in a heroin deal just before the high speed chase, and we all can admit that it would be highly unlikely that such a man would be unarmed during a transaction involving drugs like this.

The cop broke his own department rules, he disobeyed direct order he lied about the events of that night. But yeah lets give him the benefit of the doubt.

Criminal defendants are entitled to the benefit of the doubt. It's the prosecutors job to remove that doubt.
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cjsdowg posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Well, considering twice as many white people are killed by cops as black people, it stands to reason that cops have a higher chance of being convicted.

in 2015 more unarmed black people were killed by police. This was raw numbers not rate.

And more white people were killed than black AND Latino in the same year. This is despite the fact that more calls on violent crimes are to black perps than white perps by about 25%. Again, raw numbers, not per capita.

Just because you don't have a firearm doesn't mean you aren't dangerous.
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cjsdowg posted...

Ammonitida posted...

The cop shot him when they were both on the ground. He had every reason to believe that the victim intended to inflict serious bodily harm. That much is clear from the dashcam.

But LMAO at you thinking he was running at him like Usain Bolt for "help"!! You have zero credibility. This was likely suicide by cop. Failed to kill himself in a car wreck, tried and succeeded with a cop. He had recently broken up with his girlfriend.

Facts are, the cop responded to a suspected burglary only to immediately be confronted by a man who sprinted at him without saying a word. Cop is heard yelling get "down get down" to no avail. Justified, and the prosecution was malicious.

People love making excuses for the killing black people. Like I said he killed the man on the ground, the cop in question was the only who felt the need to kill the man, he stopped the EMTs from helping, and he killed that man on the ground. The fact that you are ok with all of that says a hell of a lot.

BLM advocates love to excuse or minimize actions that any man or cop would reasonably perceive as life threatening (here, you make the preposterous claim that he sprinted at the cop because he wanted "aid", something that not even the prosecution claimed). The dashcam in this case speaks for itself.

Like I said he killed the man on the ground,

Like I said, they were both on the ground when the shots were fired as testified to at trial, and given his threatening behavior and the nature of the 911 call, he had to assume the victim was armed with a deadly weapon. The cop reasonably believed his life was in danger. Clean shoot.

cjsdowg posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Well, considering twice as many white people are killed by cops as black people, it stands to reason that cops have a higher chance of being convicted.

in 2015 more unarmed black people were killed by police. This was raw numbers not rate.

In 2016, 99% of those shocked to death by tasers were white men (19 out of 20 IIRC). In 2015, 50% of those shocked to death by taser were black men. Black suspects went from being significantly overrepresented in this stat to be vastly underrepresented the next year. You can't draw any conclusions from such small sample sizes.

dirty drug dealers need to learn. the good guys always win. cant beat the good guys
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Ammonitida posted...

cjsdowg posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Well, considering twice as many white people are killed by cops as black people, it stands to reason that cops have a higher chance of being convicted.

in 2015 more unarmed black people were killed by police. This was raw numbers not rate.

In 2016, 99% of those shocked to death by tasers were white men (19 out of 20 IIRC). In 2015, 50% of those shocked to death by taser were black men. Black suspects went from being significantly overrepresented in this stat to be vastly underrepresented the next year. You can't draw any conclusions from such small sample sizes.

that tells me that police are more likely to taze white people, not shoot them >_>
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Not only was this guy a drug dealer, he tried to hit the cop with his car initially before he drove away. So fuck this guy. So tired of people in this country rioting every time some jackass breaks the law, resists arrests, tries to harm/kill a cop, and then gets shot.

If you see this happening and your instinct is "that could be me," you have a really fucked up worldview. This is why the left's victim rhetoric is an absolute failure.
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Cops getting away with murder is as american as apple pie

lilORANG posted...

Ammonitida posted...

cjsdowg posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Well, considering twice as many white people are killed by cops as black people, it stands to reason that cops have a higher chance of being convicted.

in 2015 more unarmed black people were killed by police. This was raw numbers not rate.

In 2016, 99% of those shocked to death by tasers were white men (19 out of 20 IIRC). In 2015, 50% of those shocked to death by taser were black men. Black suspects went from being significantly overrepresented in this stat to be vastly underrepresented the next year. You can't draw any conclusions from such small sample sizes.

that tells me that police are more likely to taze white people, not shoot them >_>

They were more likely to taze black people the year before.